From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #86 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, March 16 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 086 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: what is folk music? [byron bentley ] Saskatoooon! ["Paul Castle" ] Re: what is folk music? (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Mr. Music ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] HOSL in Q Album Covers / A Bird That Whistles ["Rob Ettridge" ] Re: Tribute album [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] "throbbing light machine" [Relayer211@aol.com] how's it done? [RPWieloh@cs.com] Re: Mr. Music [Randy Remote ] Mural of Joni [Barbara Hirahara ] delete ["Sarah Thomas" ] Re: delete [Barbara Hirahara ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:55:55 -0800 From: byron bentley Subject: Re: what is folk music? Kate Bennett wrote: > AHA, the old question of what is folk music. I have no idea. Music by folks? > Some acoustic guitar element. Anyone? Steve Dulson must know! > > garret said, "and something that *i* connect with folk albums is a > lack of instruments. (but, i would be open to a proper explanation of what > folk music entails.) Joni herself maintains that none of her albums are > folk." With this post, I am reminded of a story Arlo Guthrie told at the Troubadours of Folk concert in Los Angeles in 1993. I had attended this show to see Joni, and aside from the rush of seeing her, one of the highlights of the concert was Arlo's story. Arlo was describing a folk music festival which had happened in either Russia or some part of Eastern Europe; Pete Seeger was also on the bill. Apparently everyone was performing all of the old folk standards to a pretty luke warm response from the crowd. At some point Arlo started up with an Elvis Presley song, and he said Pete Seeger shot him an intense look of disapproval, but he went on with the song all the same. Arlo said that within moments, everyone in the audience was singing along with great enthusiasm. Finally a song to which everyone knew the words. He said he glanced back over at Pete to get his reaction only to discover that he was singing along too. Aha - Pete Seeger also knew the words. It was a great story that offered a whole new definition of "Folk Music." There was a PBS presentation of a 1 hour version of the Troubadours of Folk concert, which included Arlo spinning this tale as only Arlo could tell it. (Joni performs "Borderline") I guess the bottom line was that "Folk Music" is any song that can promote a sense of unity. So my friends, that said, I think we may have made a folk singer out of Joni Mitchell, in the very best sense of the word. Byron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:37:58 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Saskatoooon! Thanks for all the warm welcome-backs. Bob wrote: >You're not going to believe this, but when I brought up your message, >what was playing in my jambox but the Nick Drake/Sandy Denny CD >you made for me!! Synchronicity or what? Bob, you omitted to say that I sent you that as a 'thank you' for your jaw-dropping generosity in sending me the amazing 'Hissing Demos' tape. After a couple of years this remains the absolute jewel in my record collection - I played it again yesterday in your honour! And it is all I wanted to listen to this morning as soon as I got up. The recording of 'Shades of Scarlet Conquering' on this is possibly my favourite Joni recording of all time - I'm trying to figure out why. Just Joni on solo piano and vocal - no overdubs - home studio reverb - 'p's popping all over the place (particularly on 'impossibly'). I think it has something to do with the subtle differences in the piano chord sequence linking the verses and in the intro and playout (which I imagine she decided to change when she brought in all the players for the HOSL sessions) - and the texture of her voice - more vulnerable and raw-nerved than on the album - particularly when she sings:- "Dressed in stolen clothes she stands cast iron and frail With her impossibly gentle hands and her blood-red fingernails." It gets me everytime - even the sound of her releasing the soft pedal at the very end! I have to turn the tape off and stare out of the window for a while. I know (and sort of understand) that Joni doesn't much like the 'folk musician' tag, but I just wish she could be persuaded to release a limited edition of these demos and that copies could be sent out to folk radio DJs - I know she often bemoans her lack of airplay, but it seems to me the US folk DJs are the ones who have remained most loyal to her - she has been top of the CanCon airplay lists for as long as I can remember - and I reckon these recordings - in all their apparent rawness - would open up a whole new fanbase of people who maybe found it hard to go with her from HOSL onwards. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:34:10 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: what is folk music? (md) In a message dated 3/15/2001 2:06:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, byronsb@pacbell.net writes: << a whole new definition of "Folk Music." >> <<< guess the bottom line was that "Folk Music" is any song that can promote a sense of unity. >>> This is why no one lknows what it is anymore. AND who is responsible for that coming about. When the 60s generation insisted on changing everything as Arlo did with the elvis song it created alot of confusion not all of which worked. Recently it attempted to redefine what a President is from Statesman to Rock Star Celebrity. The results are now evident. Glad you submitted the Guthrie story. I couldnt have given a better example. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:35:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Mr. Music From Jerry Osbornes's column today: Question: I have a question about Crosby, Stills, and Nash's recording of Woodstock. In the chorus, what is the linethat follows, "We are stardust, we are golden?" The mystery lyrics are then followed by "and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden." Answer: Someone with the sheet music may come forth and enlighten us both, but I believe those muddled words to be "We are billion year old carbon." Interestingly, neither the hit remake by Matthews Southern Comfort nor the original by Joni Mitchell contain the "carbon" line. Both skip right to getting back to the garden. Since Mitchell, who wrote the song, does not sing those words, it is likely that CS&N decided to toss them in. Needless to say I've written to Mr. Music. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:34:24 -0000 From: "Rob Ettridge" Subject: HOSL in Q Album Covers / A Bird That Whistles Sorry if this has already been posted: Hissing of Summer Lawns has been included in the Q book of Best Album Covers. I've only flicked through it, as I'm a bit skint at the moment, but there's a copy of the cover (obviously), but also what seems to be a draft of the artwork. There are also some articles which I didn't have time to read. I remember a journalist writing into the list about the HOSL cover a while back, after some details. Does anyone know if this is the same thing? I think he did say it was for Q. It's good to see her included in this, but I would have personally chosen Hejira (which hangs proudly in a box-frame on my living room wall)... I stumbled across a copy of "A Bird That Whistles - Songs of Joni Mitchell" the Scandanavian tribute album in my lunch break today. I already have a copy, but it was in the discount section, which seems criminal for any Joni related product. Also, I quite like this album, especially the a capella version of "Silky Veils of Ardor", and, apparently, there are quite a few people who don't have it. Anyway, so in a random act of generousity (blink and you'll miss it), I am offering to mail this to the highest bidder. All money will go straight to one of the Joni related paying schemes. It cost me 5GBP, and it'll cost me about 2GBP to send it overseas, and 1GBP within the UK. So I think bidding should start at about 6GBP or 10USD. Could anyone who is interested, please contact me off list (robettridge@hotmail.com) If there is an easier way of doing this, let me know. Rob _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:35:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL in Q Album Covers / A Bird That Whistles <> Speaking of HOSL covers, Jeanne Newhall does a cover of HOSL on her new CD titled "E'Sensual" (pretty clever title, I think...). Almost all of the tunes on that record have been covered. Don't Interrupt the Sorrow remains uncovered (as far as I know), although P.M. Dawn has sampled it. Boho Dance is also uncovered, but that will change as soon as Reprise issues the tribute and we're treated to Bjork's version. Shadows & Light is also untouched. And I agree...that "Bird That Whistles" CD is very nice! It's a group of Swedish musicians that formed for the project, and the CD is now out of print. I'll also be glad to copy it for anyone interested in sending b&p...the songs: A Bird That Whistles “Songs of Joni Mitchell” Irma Schultz: Vocals Jack Mittleman: Guitars, vocals, & bass on track 5 Anders Kotz: Bass, vocals & guitar on track 5 Ola Swenson: Percussion & vocals 1. Free Man In Paris 2. A Bird That Whistles 3. Chelsea Morning 4. A Case of You 5. This Flight Tonight 6. Urge For Going 7. Night Ride Home 8. Twisted 9. Hejira 10. The Silky Veils of Ardor 11. Woodstock Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:04:50 -0800 From: catherine.turley@verizon.net Subject: Re: Tribute album SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Boho Dance is also uncovered, but that will change as soon as Reprise issues the tribute and we're treated to Bjork's version. Does anyone have any scoop on the tribute album? I am starting to despair. Isn't this baby WAY overdue? Can't we buy a big bottle of pitocin and schedule an induction? Catherine T. (who currently knows *a lot* of pregnant women) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:28:44 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re:what is folk music? no no, Marcel, keep talking. i'm gonna give this a little thought myself, see what i can come up with. i certainly tend to agree with you as regards "it is played of and by and for "the folk" ", and this would indeed explain, to an extent, the common use of accoustic instruments like the guitar, and also why the music tends to seem simple. you've given me food for thought. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:06:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tribute album <> And a depressed "me too", Catherine...I just scoured the near-worthless Reprise site (taking note of the fact that they didn't even so much as acknowledge Joni's Grammy or Juno), and no update about the tribute. I'll send 'em an e-mail and see if they can give me any info, but I can tell ya' I ain't gonna hold my breath. Maybe if we bombard 'em with requests, they'll be persuaded to induce the labor! Reprise@RepriseRec.com In the meantime, Catherine, I've got about 25 CD's worth of Joni tunes done by others to temporarily slake your thirst! ;~) Just back up a truck loaded with Music blanks! Bob NP: The Eagles, "Already Gone" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:14:51 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: "throbbing light machine" Could anyone explain to me what this is?I''m dying to know... thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:21:38 EST From: RPWieloh@cs.com Subject: how's it done? Hi All, I'd like to try the chat room, I've done all the registration stuff,loged in, now how do I actually get to the elusive chat room? From what I have seen posted in the Digest other folks have had some problems.Confused,Rich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:59:43 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Mr. Music Set that other Jerry straight. Expert indeed. "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" wrote: > >From Jerry Osbornes's column today: > > Question: I have a question about Crosby, Stills, and Nash's recording of > Woodstock. In the chorus, what is the linethat follows, "We are stardust, > we are golden?" The mystery lyrics are then followed by "and we've got to > get ourselves back to the garden." > > Answer: Someone with the sheet music may come forth and enlighten us both, > but I believe those muddled words to be "We are billion year old carbon." > Interestingly, neither the hit remake by Matthews Southern Comfort nor the > original by Joni Mitchell contain the "carbon" line. Both skip right to > getting back to the garden. Since Mitchell, who wrote the song, does not > sing those words, it is likely that CS&N decided to toss them in. > > Needless to say I've written to Mr. Music. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:03:59 -0800 From: Barbara Hirahara Subject: Mural of Joni Dear Friends, This is such a fun list. I love the camaraderie and erstwhile jesting. I have a lot of stress in my life which I won't bore you with, and I find joy in remembering simpler times. In my 20's I spent a lot of time with good friends listening to Joni. We used to frequent a sandwich shop in Long Beach called "Mike's Munchies." It first opened in the very early '70's on Long Beach Boulevard. You had to be hip to know what the "Munchies" part of the name meant. I was saddened by its closure as it was in my favorite "pan handling" area and they served great soup. I was hitching a ride with friends one day and a driver picked us up and asked if we would like to go to lunch. He took us to Mike's Munchies, lo and behold there was a bigger than life sized mural of Joni on the wall. Mike's had reopened in a very exclusive shopping area near Hwy. 101 between the Naples area and Seal Beach. They played Joni quite often. Anyone else know of it? I would love to hear of it. Love & Peace, Barbara Hirahara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 07:40:59 From: "Sarah Thomas" Subject: delete i wanna gt off this fucking thing _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:55:10 -0800 From: Barbara Hirahara Subject: Re: delete Hope that last e-mail helped you, Love & Peace, Barbara Hirahara ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #86 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?