From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #72 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, March 3 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 072 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni in the Movies [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: A Joni moment (London-style) [Gertus@aol.com] RE: Joni's Most Underrated? ["Deb Messling" ] (no subject) [Jennymac48@aol.com] LOTC ["Kate Bennett" ] Stupid Girl song/JM link ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni Giveaway Last Call [Catherine Udall Turley ] Re: (no subject) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni in the Movies [Alison E ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #102 [Courtandspark2@aol.com] Re: Stupid Girl song/JM link ["Kakki" ] Larry LeBlanc [Les Irvin ] Joni venue in Hawaii ["Kakki" ] Re: Seattle quake [Seanapper@aol.com] Re: Playing Pinball With Joan At the Raven In Detroit? [TerryM2222@aol.co] Re: Larry LeBlanc [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #102 [Randy Remote ] Re: "Celebration at Big Sur" [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 04:18:01 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Joni in the Movies Who hasn't posted what they figured was a thought provoking Joni observation to this fine list, only to see it ignored at worst, or merely "unthreaded" at best? Everyone, right? If you're like me it smarts a bit. Makes me want to go whimpering to Ashara for hug therapy. I'm so sensitive. ;-) I got this new-fangled digital cable TV set-up recently...I get like 400 channels, man. Like 15 premium movie channels free for the first month. I like movies...I've been watching them like there's no tomorrow. Half-decent schlock that I'd never go see at the cinema...hrmpf. Point coming, I swear. Point is, when I heard about that movie "Down to You" coming out, that teenage demographic vehicle for Freddy Prinze's actor son, I mused here that the title might have been inspired by Joni's song...there was the sound of one hand clapping here on the jmdl. I imagined you all scoffing at me and the very idea. Well, I saw Doen to You last night and there was a scene where the girl lead was showing the Prinze character some paintings of album covers that she had painted herself into in place of the artist. On top of the stack: her face in place of Joni's on the cover of Clouds! See!? I'm not nuts! Well, maybe I am, but you can't prove it by this! Then I watched "200 Cigarettes" the movie. Pretty lame all in all, but still bearable if you're into pop culture. There was a Joni mention in a bar scene in that one! Weirder still, the guy who is the lead in "200 Cigs" is the same actor in another movie featuring JC...can't recall the actor's name or the movie, but in this one his character owns a record store and catches two boys shoplifting. What had they swiped? A joni disc! He chastises them saying something like you're dj-ing with Joni Mitchell? And the kids say something like, oh, just cause we're young we can't have taste? He lets them keep the disc. Anyone know the movie offhand? I'll look it up if you don't believe me. - -Julius, who will unabashedly take self-esteem boosts whereever he may find them. :-P ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 04:56:07 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: A Joni moment (London-style) Stevie Mitchell wrote:- >>>I just thought I'd share this Joni moment with you guys. In HMV in Oxford Street today, I was browsing the Joni section and a girl was there talking to two of the staff. Being the nosy person that I am (look I can't help it) I gleaned that she seemed to be looking for a particular track on an album and was amazed that there were so many - so I asked. She replied that it was a song about not needing a piece of paper . . . . My hand shot straight to Blue, and I said "My Old Man" is the track you want. The two staff members looked suitably impressed, and the young lady in question said "Thank you *so* much, I love you" (I'll pass out the airline barf bags in a moment). As a consequence, I just had to buy two of the three albums that I do not possess (S&L & MOA) the other that I don't have is "Misses".<< Pretty good work, Stevie, but I hope you also pointed this young lady in the direction of 2 important web-sites so she can become completely hooked! Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 06:04:35 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Joni's Most Underrated? I think the songs on LOTC are by and large better and more ambitious than those on Clouds. The sound is freer. As Julius said, it's a sunny morning album, despite having a song called "Rainy Night House!" BUT I do love Clouds also. It's a cloudy day album, a little darker sounding, and you're curled up with a cup of tea listening to it. Joni's voice is more appealing on Clouds, IMO. In my youth, when people said they hated Joni Mitchell, it was the LOTC voice they hated. The height of the helium phase. In her early days she spoke of having two voices: one high, and one deep and husky. On LOTC she banished the latter. > Relayer211 writes: > > << I think "Clouds" is defiantly Joni's most underrated album.I > can't understand why some people don't like it.Joni's singing is > so pretty on it.The songs are deep and wonderful...overall it's a > better album then LOTC imo. >> > - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:48:55 EST From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: (no subject) I just feel weepy with love and gratefulness at being part of this list. For some reason today I felt like we are all in a dark tent in sleeping bags cuddled up at the great Joni Mitchell Slumber Party (in our DREAMS!). We can lay there with our eyes closed and listen to the great pontificators and experts tell us the history or minutiae we crave. We can contribute any inane or seemingly insignificant comment or question without judgement or fear. We get our queeries answered and often with huge amounts of information and thoughtful analysis food-for-brains. We can drift off to dreamland and always return to the warm love that is ever present in this love fest. Meanwhile, Jonimom is in the big house making us all hot chocolate, listening and laughing and always appreciating us, her loyal children. This is the perfect family. Love Jenny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:13:08 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: LOTC >>>On LOTC, if I may. I'm endeared to it because in my book it's the most inspired morning album ever conceived and recorded. <<< yes yes yes Julius, I so love to put that record on first thing in the morning!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:13:05 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Stupid Girl song/JM link >>> Johnny Rogan writes in his major biog Neil Young: Zero to Sixty (publ last yr)<<< isn't rogan the guy that did a book on csn (&y?) that they (or at least crosby) says is totally riddled with inaccuracies (to say in mildly)? correct me if i am wrong, anyone...(paz?, kakki?) ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:11:58 +0000 From: Catherine Udall Turley Subject: Joni Giveaway Last Call Just a reminder that tonight at midnight I will stop taking requests for the items below. They're yours for the price of postage. I've had multiple requests for some, so I'll be drawing names from a hat on a couple of them, but if you want one of the CDRs, I can always burn more, so you're pretty much guaranteed one of them if you want one. Email me off list if you're interested. Regards, Catherine T. in Seattle Up for grabs: 1) August 1998 issue of Mojo Magazine. 2) 12" Vinyl Single of "Snakes and Ladders." 3) AD From Billboard Magazine, 1985, for Dog Eat Dog. 4) CDR: The Hissing Demos, or The Seeding of Summer Lawns 5) CDR: AT & T Presents Stormy Weather. Multiple copies. 6) CDR. Joni live @ the Greek Theatre, May 12, 2000. 7) BSN 2000 tour program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:24:29 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: "Celebration at Big Sur" Needing some help, I purchased a movie poster off ebay "Celebration at Big Sur" and don't know anything about it. Can anyone help? Its a, 1971, movie and it says "Celebrate with: Joan Baez, CSN&Y, Joni Mitchell, John Sebastian, and introducing Dorothy Morrison". (don't know her at all!) Thanks, Kammy NP= Ben Harper-Welcome to the Cruel World ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:38:41 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: LOTC In a message dated 3/2/01 1:58:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > On LOTC, if I may. I'm endeared to it because in my book it's the most > inspired morning album ever conceived and recorded. <<< > > yes yes yes Julius, I so love to put that record on first thing in the > morning!!! > Yes, I love Morning Morgantown. It reminds me of my little town :~) NP: All Things Must Pass, George Harrison rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:58:57 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: no apologies J. David wrote: > I was surprised to see No Apologies show up on > least favorites lists. - --- Mark or Travis replied: > I agree with this assessment & I've tried to say the > same thing > before. The song does have an underlying theme & > although it may > contain some personal references that the rest of us > can only guess > at, it is not 'disjointed'. I happen to like it > too. Make that me three. I do like the song. It's not my most favourite (what is? that depends on the day, the mood I'm in and so on), but I think it's a good song that makes some excellent points. Joni is musing aloud about injustice in the world - how a young Japanese girl could be so brutally raped by these soldiers, and then the case shrugged off by their general with a "boys-will-be-boys" kind of response ("They should have hired a hooker.") She then goes on to talk about friends (or former friends) repeating back to her a story someone else has told - to me, it doesn't matter if it's Jackson Brown or anyone else. It's slightly humourous, in a black-humour kind of way - "Freddie says that Juan says I think he's the devil." (Kind of a he-says/she-says thing). She dismisses this: calling this little creep "the devil" would be paying him too great a compliment ("What a lofty title for such a petty little tyrant!") (Aside: I just noticed the lyrics section of the jmdl says: "Freddie said that once, I think/ He's the devil/ What a lofty time/ For such a petty little tyrant" What's up with that?) I agree with Mark when he says the song deals with what it means to be *a man* ("what makes a man a man in these tough times?" The place is falling apart and being taken over by criminals (warlords and drug lords, lawyers and loansharks - poor lawyers get rapped again!); the earth is being raped; a young girl is raped; the ecology is being destroyed; the moon has been trampled. And no one apologizes for any of it. I don't find it disjointed at all, although it isn't as tight as some of Joni's lyrics can be. It's a bit more stream-of-consciousness, but it ends up at the same place - there's the same refrain: "Tireskids and teethmarks/ What happened to this place?/ Lawyers and loan sharks/ Are laying America to waste." And she ends up where she started: "The general offered no apologies..." Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:08:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (no subject) Jenny, your analogy sounds comfy/cozy and I think a hot chocolate and a snuggly blanket is just what I need right now - I wonder how Joni would feel about being "Mom" though? - --- Jennymac48@aol.com wrote: > I just feel weepy with love and gratefulness at > being part of this list. For > some reason today I felt like we are all in a dark > tent in sleeping bags > cuddled up at the great Joni Mitchell Slumber Party > (in our DREAMS!). > Meanwhile, Jonimom is in the big house > making us all hot > chocolate, listening and laughing and always > appreciating us, her loyal > children. This is the perfect family. > > Love > Jenny Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:33:39 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Joni in the Movies - --- JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > I got this new-fangled digital cable TV set-up > recently...I get like 400 channels, man. 57 seven channels and nothing on...57 channels and nothing on.. > paintings of album covers that she had painted > herself into in place of the artist. On top of the > stack: her face in place of Joni's on the cover of > Clouds! See!? I'm not nuts! Well, maybe I am, but > you can't prove it by this! i think we've proved it in lots of other ways already, jules! so is this "down to you" movie any good? > Then I watched "200 Cigarettes" the movie. >There was a Joni mention in a bar > scene in that one! 200 cigs is worth watching just for all the elvis costello content! i actually liked the movie. i love anything with martha plimpton, though. >Weirder still, the guy who is > the lead in "200 Cigs" is the same actor in another > movie featuring JC... different guys. you're thinking of paul rudd in 200 cigs. > or the movie, but in this one his character owns a > record store and catches two boys shoplifting. What > had they swiped? A joni disc! > keep the disc. Anyone know the movie offhand? high fidelity. that's the movie, with the love of my life, john cusack. alison e. in nyc Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:12:37 EST From: Courtandspark2@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #102 Hi! Is there a Joni chat room, or is all correspondence handled via e-mail? Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:57:45 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Stupid Girl song/JM link Kate B. asked: > >>> Johnny Rogan writes in his major biog Neil Young: Zero to Sixty (publ > last yr)<<< > > isn't rogan the guy that did a book on csn (&y?) that they (or at least > crosby) says is totally riddled with inaccuracies (to say in mildly)? > correct me if i am wrong, anyone...(paz?, kakki?) That's correct - every time Rogan's name is mentioned on the CSN list I've see Croz repeatedly write in grumbling that Rogan got it all wrong. I haven't read this book but I read a bio he did on Van Morrison awhile back. Have also heard some Van people grouse about that one, too. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:19:47 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Larry LeBlanc Joniphiles - I was recently contacted by Larry LeBlanc, who was cruising the JMDL site and found one of his articles (written for Rolling Stone 30 years ago) in the database: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/710304rs.cfm He kindly gave me his full permission (whew....) to use the article and sent along an interesting note that he asked that I pass along to all of you. Les NP: Jim White - "God was drunk when he made me" (anyone else into him?) >Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:37:35 EST >Subject: Larry LeBlanc >To: les@jmdl.com > >I'm quite proud of that article and I get a chuckle >about it. I did a recent article on Joni's boyfriend Don Freed recently and >she sent a big hello. > >Joni also provided "Help Me" on a new 4-CD Canadian box set "Oh What A >Feeling 2,' a compilation of 76 tracks by Canadian artists. It was just >released by Universal Music in Canada and also features Neil Young, Bryan >Adams, Shania Twain, Leonard Cohen, and Bruce Cockburn. Neil gave us >"Heart of >Gold" which has never been included on a compiliaion before. Neither has Joni >to my knowledge. > >Please mention that on your site if you can. > >Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:25:00 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni venue in Hawaii I've posted some more pics at Photopoint including The Waikiki Shell where Joni performed back in '72, a dolphin for Ashara, and some more cyber-warmth for those of us currently freezing out there. (Sorry Paz, no wahines in bikinis this time ;-) Kakki http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1481388&a=11834704 If you use AOL, use this link to see the photos. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1481388&a=11834704 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:25:41 EST From: Seanapper@aol.com Subject: Re: Seattle quake Well, I'm a little late in catching up with the list news, as usual, but all's fine here. I was at work in North Seattle when the quake hit. I was with another therapist and four patients, three of which jumped up and hid behind me (why, I don't know). It was quite a ride, but no damage was done to the clinic. The doc sent us all home later, and I'm happy to report I had no damage at home...just one overturned shot glass and one fallen book. I think I can speak for everyone up here when I say THANK YOU for your concern! Neil in Seattle Mark wrote: <> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:32:06 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Playing Pinball With Joan At the Raven In Detroit? Lama! Lama! Lama! Lama! Makes me wanna sing Bo bama, banana fana... Ah, no. Alas, Joni and I never played pinball together. My claim to fame (other than the photo in the gallery) is that I used to live a mile away from The Raven. But in those days, I was too young to see Joni and Chuck perform. My older brother did, though, and recalls how Chuck would be on stage playing the guitar, then Joni would enter via the audience, singing her way up to the stage. Pat (you around?)- did she do that up in Port Huron? But she and I did hang out at the bowling alley up on Eleven Mile Road. ; ) ::: KIDDING! ::: I'm trying to get to Topsfield! Is it official, though?? Terry www.addconsults.com In a message dated 3/2/2001 2:57:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@home.com writes: << Hi Terry M., Here's an on-list question for ya. On the "Members Profiles" section of JMDL (previously the Gallery) you said that you and Joni used to play pinball together. Have you told this story before? Is it true or a colorful, believable fib? Details! More importantly, will you play with Marian Russell in Topsfield this year? Your public demands it! Terry! Terry! Terry! Terry! Terry! Terry! Terry! Terry! Terry! >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 22:55:41 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Larry LeBlanc In a message dated 3/2/2001 9:04:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << I did a recent article on Joni's boyfriend Don Freed recently and >she sent a big hello. >> And where can we read about THAT?? Terry www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 20:56:42 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #102 If you mean to ask if there is a chat room in which to communicate to Joni, then no. Last report was she doesn't have a computer. If that's not what you mean, then I'm sure there must exist somewhere a chat room involving Joni, but I don't know where. I'm pretty sure the major Joni junkies are all right here... RR Courtandspark2@aol.com wrote: > Hi! > > Is there a Joni chat room, or is all correspondence handled via e-mail? > > Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 21:09:45 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: "Celebration at Big Sur" This documentary of the 1969 folk festival at Esalen is shown occasionally on cable (most recently on Encore, I think) and is well worth seeking out. You may be able to find it as a rental, I don't know. It is not available from Amazon, so must be out of print. Joni does a couple songs, talks about the whales sighted off the coast, hangs onto boyfriend Graham Nash. She does the Youngbloods song "Get Together" with CSN&Y, who themselves play some rockin' tunes marred only by some sound problems. They seem to show it 2 or 3 times a year, and I have alerted the list. If they show it again, I'll scream a warning.. Congrats on your collectible poster. RR ps Dorothy Morrison was or is a gospel singer with a great voice. Kammass@aol.com wrote: > Needing some help, > I purchased a movie poster off ebay "Celebration at Big Sur" and don't know > anything about it. Can anyone help? Its a, 1971, movie and it says > "Celebrate with: Joan Baez, CSN&Y, Joni Mitchell, John Sebastian, and > introducing Dorothy Morrison". (don't know her at all!) > Thanks, > Kammy > > NP= Ben Harper-Welcome to the Cruel World ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #72 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?