From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #67 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, February 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 067 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [Artheobeat@aol.com] Crotch Tiger [Artheobeat@aol.com] Jonifests? [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: Crotch Tiger [jan gyn ] Re: Crotch Tiger [jan gyn ] Re: Jonifests? ["hell" ] Re: Joni's Pink Hotel and Fest locations ;-) ["hell" ] Re: Crotch Tiger [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: Crotch Tiger [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: Jonifests? [Artheobeat@aol.com] RE: Brits at Jonifests ["Chris Marshall" ] RE: Least Favorite Joni Songs ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Jonifests? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Fwd: (no subject) [Kammass@aol.com] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Jonifests? [Catherine McKay ] yeah, we're gorgeous [Steve Dulson ] Re: least favorite Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: Jonifests? [Artheobeat@aol.com] Re: yeah, we're gorgeous [Artheobeat@aol.com] good restaurant music ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: VLJC-new member ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: least favorite Joni [Alison E ] Re: least favorite Joni [Rusty10113@aol.com] Joni in Scotland ["william" ] Joni's Lead Balloons ["william" ] (no subject) [Kammass@aol.com] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [Relayer211@aol.com] re: Least Favorite Joni Songs ["c Karma" ] Re: Jonifests? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni in Scotland [RoseMJoy@aol.com] re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: least favorite Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Come in From the Cold [RoseMJoy@aol.com] re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [Andy Stancliffe ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs ["Garret" ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Dublin Morning ["Garret" ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs ["Garret" ] Re: still looking for joni pics [RoseMJoy@aol.com] The AsharaFest 2000 CD's [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: Brits at Jonifests [Michael Paz ] Re: least favorite -- Help Me???? [Michael Paz ] Re: new list member, Kammy [Michael Paz ] Re: Brits at Jonifests [Michael Paz ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [Michael Paz ] [none] ["Dave and Beth Fairall" ] Audio Tape Trees: Available *NOW* ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] "Both Sides Now" concert cassette ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: yeah, Joni's gorgeous/Covers Vo. 14 ["Kakki" > On her 'Painting With Words' DVD live concert this song is superb - and she looks so hot singing it! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:03:33 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Crotch Tiger In a message dated 2/25/01 10:26:17 PM, catherine.turley@verizon.net writes: << (Crouching Tiger...) See this movie >> Nice looking movie - but the damned subtitles were totally distracting to the visual images - and struggling to 'read' the movie while trying to let myself 'fall' into the imagery finally just left me frustrated. It turned what should have been an emotional and soulful experience into an intellectual one. And I think the running and spinning through the air thing went a little too far for me to accept - even as a fantasy. Definitely can't recommend it. << put Ang Lee in charge of the rest of the Star Wars sequels. Just imagine. >> Please NO! Ang's made an interesting little Chinese movie, but to try to compare it with the brilliant layers and textures of the modern mythology that George Lucas has created called Star Wars is absurd - IMHO. TIA, Artheo NP - Joe's Garage - Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:12:21 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Jonifests? Greetings, What are Jonifests, and tape trees, and archives of unreleased Joni recordings, etc.?? Clue the new boy please! TIA, Artheo NP - "It's A Beautiful Day", by: It's A Beautiful Day ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:56:46 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Crotch Tiger At 04:03 AM 2/26/01 EST, Artheobeat@aol.com wrote: (snip) > Please NO! Ang's made an interesting little Chinese movie, but to try to >compare it with the brilliant layers and textures of the modern mythology >that George Lucas has created called Star Wars is absurd - IMHO. >TIA, Artheo >NP - Joe's Garage - Zappa 'Star Wars' brilliant? Get thee to a community college... - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:09:52 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Crotch Tiger > Nice looking movie - but the damned subtitles were totally distracting to >the visual images - and struggling to 'read' the movie while trying to let >myself 'fall' into the imagery finally just left me frustrated. It turned >what should have been an emotional and soulful experience into an >intellectual one. And I think the running and spinning through the air (snip) >TIA, Artheo >NP - Joe's Garage - Zappa 'Struggled' with 'reading' the movie? It took like .000000001 seconds to read those subtitles. I'd suggest skipping any Rohmer movie and anything else European for that matter. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:00:02 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Jonifests? Artheo wrote: > What are Jonifests, and tape trees, and archives of unreleased Joni > recordings, etc.?? > Clue the new boy please! Welcome to the best discussion list on the internet, and the nicest people! And now to answer your questions: Jonifest are get-togethers for list members. Lots of people getting to know each other first hand, playing music, drinking martinis, eating nice food, and generally having the time of their lives on the other side of the world from me! Recordings of the last two are available, and are well worth a listen - the next best thing to being there! The tape trees come around every so often - and are made up of unreleased Joni material. They start with a "branch" who make copies for their "leaves" in all areas of the world. There is no tape tree circulating at the moment, but if you ask very nicely, I'm sure someone will be able to hook you up with back-copies, for the price of postage and blanks. A damn good deal - and a lot cheaper than Ebay! The archives pretty much equal the tape trees. And as well as tape trees, there are video trees also, with TV appearances, film footage etc. Hopefully that about covers it - enjoy the list! Hell (aka Helen) in NZ ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:08:20 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Joni's Pink Hotel and Fest locations ;-) Kakki wrote: > I was just writing to a couple others about this ;-) We're thinking maybe > sometime next (Northern Hemisphere) winter when people are craving the sun. > If you plan it right, Hawaii is pretty inexpensive to fly to from just about > anywhere in the U.S. and Canada. I've made a new vow to go at least once a > year like I used to do. A house would be great, but there are also some > condo buildings on the beach where you can rent out practically the whole > place ;-) very cheaply so more people can be accomodated and we needn't > worry about bothering anyone. It also might be attractive for those who > want to bring along the family or significant others (and help sweeten the > idea of going away to a jmdl gathering ;-D I guarantee it would be a > fantastic place for us to get together. Stop it, you're getting me very excited! I'm already planning my packing, and thinking about organising the cattery for Sam! I assume this may be a mini-fest though, given the cost, and the lack, or relative scarcity of recording equipment and instruments. But even a mini-fest is better than none. Bring it on!!! And just as a comparison, to fly to New York would cost me (at today's prices) $1795 return. Honolulu is only $1055 return! Infinitely better! Hell - about to go to bed and dream of pink hotels.... and surf..... and sun..... and golden beaches.... and palm trees.... and coconuts.... ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:02:34 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: Crotch Tiger In a message dated 2/26/01 2:27:45 AM, jgyn@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us writes: << 'Star Wars' brilliant? >> Yes - brilliant, cohesive, and meticulously conceived. The histories stand up, as do the chronologies, races, genealogies, planetary systems. I am not presenting a case for great literature - just brilliant mythology. Crotch Tiger is a kung fu movie with prettier scenery - with little or no mythological development. << Get thee to a community college... >> Too late! I've already got a degree from U of Oregon. Graduated in '69. TIA, Artheo NP - Mickey Hart's Mystery Box ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:05:29 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: Crotch Tiger In a message dated 2/26/01 2:38:34 AM, jgyn@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us writes: << I'd suggest skipping any Rohmer movie and anything else European >> I do! I prefer 'reading' a good book - not a movie. TIA, Artheo NP - Mickey Hart's Mystery Box ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 06:12:44 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifests? In a message dated 2/26/01 3:00:53 AM, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Welcome to the best discussion list on the internet, >> Thank you Hell! << and the nicest people! >> Yes, I've just met Jan - some truly nice people here. ;-) << And now to answer your questions: ...that about covers it - enjoy the list! >> Again - thanks Hell. You've been most kind. TIA, Artheo NP - Birth of Cool, by: Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:17:52 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Brits at Jonifests Marcel accused us of having a damp and foggy climate, to which Clive responded: > Well it sure is foggy and wet a lot of the time here in the UK. And dreary > too! Nevertheless, this sounds like a challenge! If we managed to find our > way across the Big Pond armed only with guitars and toothbrushes, could you > guys line up some places to play where we could beg, steal, borrow amps, > drums, p.a? (Oh, and somewhere to sleep?) Can we help turn M's dream into > reality? And hey look - I'm staring out of the window at a sunny blue sky. Bit cold though. I will definitely have a go at getting over to Ashara's this year. That is, just as long as I can persuade the airline not to turn my fretless bass into kindling. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:48:41 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Least Favorite Joni Songs That's not "Nothing Can Be Done" she's singing on the PWWAM DVD. It's "Come's Love." "Nothing Can Be Done," which has made some least-favorite lists, was on the album "Night Ride Home" and includes the lyrics, "I am not old, I'm told, but I'm not young, and nothing can be done" etc. etc. I agree that her interpretation of "Comes Love" is first rate! > << Nothing Can Be Done >> > > On her 'Painting With Words' DVD live concert this song is superb > - and she > looks so hot singing it! - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:45:15 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifests? In a message dated 2/26/01 4:24:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, Artheobeat@aol.com writes: > What are Jonifests, and tape trees, and archives of unreleased Joni > recordings, etc.?? > Clue the new boy please! > TIA, Artheo > Hi Artheo and Welcome! JoniFests are when a bunch of us listers get together to party and play music. Tape Trees are not for profit live recordings of Joni. There are none going on right now, but you can find out more about it on the JMDL site. Just go to trading and also check out the PICS of our previous Jonifests. They are there as well. We're all waiting......for Ashara (the hostess) to make the announcement for the JoniFest 2001 in Topsfield, MA (USA). She's been teasing us all ;~) Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:07:23 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (no subject) Return-path: From: Kammass@aol.com Full-name: Kammass Message-ID: <67.10393e43.27cbab74@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:52:04 EST Subject: (no subject) To: mailto:joni@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 352 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain hey everyone, thanks for the welcome to the jmdl! Everyone was so nice to welcome me like yall did! Look forward to meeting everyone, especially locals-Cindy and Joan. Does everyone know John Wilson's 1975 children's video, "Fantastic, all Electric Music Movie"? It has a cartoon for "Big Yellow Taxi" and "Both Sides Now". (also includes other artists like Sonny and Cher, Jim Croce, Stevie Wonder etc..) very cool 70's art! Thanks again for the warm welcome bye for now Kammy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:35:06 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines God Must Be A Boogie Man A Chair In The Sky The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey Be Cool Sweet Sucker Dance Love The Three Great Stimulants The Tea Leaf Prophecy (Lay Down Your Arms) Snakes And Ladders The Reoccurring Dream Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:30:10 -0500 From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: least favorite Joni hi everyone! i'm in big-time lurk mode, writing and researching myself nutty over here... um, least faves... 1. fiddle and the drum (PAINFUL! and impossible to get out of my head after i hear it) 2. love (i know people love this one -- but i find it kind of embarrassing and irritating...hearing music's greatest lyricist stoop to tired quoting and cliches about "love") 3. MOA BYT 4. MOA Woodstock (both of these sound like joni in a nightmare bizarro world!) and probably a bunch from DED and CMIARS, but i don't listen to those very often, so i can hardly recall! (as a "dancin clown" sidenote: i've loved this song ever since i saw the video where she dances around the kitchen, holding her impassive cat upside down. so now it's become my and MY cat's favorite to twirl around to...mickey, however, doesn't take well to the upside-down treatment!) - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:17:07 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jonifests? - --- Artheobeat@aol.com wrote: > TIA, Artheo OK, I give up. What does TIA mean? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:22:54 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: yeah, we're gorgeous >Canadian Kate, who thought Joni looked amazingly young and beautiful >close up (I was surprised) when she met Emil at the Mendel. I felt EXACTLY the same way at the PWWAM taping in '98. I thought she looked great close up. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:33:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: least favorite Joni Well, goshdarn, there are so many (ha!) but here are my least fave Joni songs (in no particular order): - - BYT (not because it's a bad song, but only because it has been done, and done, and done, so often and because it seems to be the *only* song people *out there* recognize by Joni) - - Snakes and Ladders - - The Pirate of Penance - - Songs to aging children come - - The fiddle and the drum - - Ladies' Man - - Solid Love - - You Dream Flat Tires - - Man To Man - - The Reoccuring dream Is that enough? ;) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:57:32 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs In a message dated 2/26/01 6:13:00 AM, messling@enter.net writes: << That's not "Nothing Can Be Done" she's singing on the PWWAM DVD. It's "Come's Love." "Nothing Can Be Done," which has made some least-favorite lists, was on thalbum "Night Ride Home" and includes the lyrics, "I am not old, I'm told, but I'm not young, and nothing can be done" etc. etc. I agree that her interpretation of "Comes Love" is first rate! >> I can see I have got to sharpen my 'in depth' Joni knowledge if I'm going to play in this group! :-) Thank you Deb for setting me straight. TIA, Artheo NP - PWWAM << (learning the shorthand) ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:14:42 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifests? In a message dated 2/26/01 9:17:15 AM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << OK, I give up. What does TIA mean >> It is a ancient Inca greeting. Means "health, joy, and fertility". Naw - - actually I stole that from one of my favorite 'seer/sages' of all time - Radar from 'MASH'. He always signed off his camp broadcasts with "That Is All" - TIA. TIA, Artheo NP - 'NRH' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:22:54 EST From: Artheobeat@aol.com Subject: Re: yeah, we're gorgeous In a message dated 2/26/01 9:43:14 AM, steve@psitech.com writes: << I felt EXACTLY the same way at the PWWAM taping >> WOW!!! I am jealous - TIA, Artheo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:52:33 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: good restaurant music I was sitting in a "Chili's" restaurant and listened to Big Yellow Taxi. Then heard Nik Kershaw's "Wouldn't It Be Nice" and I am thinking I will come back here. It was good for a change to dine to some good tunes. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:07:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: VLJC-new member Kammy from Alabamy wrote: > I saw her at Jazzfest in NO(sat in horse poop > all day) was worth it, went to "A Day in the > Garden" by myself (stood up all day on the > front so not to lose the great spot I had) Hey Kammy! Welcome to the JMDL! I was also in NO and at ADITG (my first and second Joni concerts)! How funny that you were up front at ADITG -- a bunch of JMDLers were right there, too! Obviously you were meant to find us, one way or another! : ) It's great to have you here! Lori in DC ~ Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:22:07 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: least favorite Joni i didn't want to contribute to this thread, but... one of my least favorite joni songs: blue motel room. currently playing on wfuv: blue motel room. coincidence??? i don't think so. weird... alison e. in nyc other "don't love's": no apologies taming the tiger (the song) p.s. happy birthday johnny cash. Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:37:35 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: least favorite Joni I didn't want to contribute to this thread either, but, hey... (titles may be a little off, oops..) Fiddler & The Drum Happiness is the Best Facelift Wolf in Lyndsay No apologies Joni is a miracle of course, but these just lose me and always have... thoughts? M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:39:46 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Joni in Scotland I've just been reading the BBC's report on the recent Madonna Interview interview and how she is quoted as saying she never wanted to repeat herself. Does that ring an MOA bell? I'm not one for getting emotionally nationalistic but hey Leslie (and any other Hielanders out there), she did pay us Scots a braw compliment. Skibo Castle is in the most idyllic setting one could fairy tale imagine. Is there any record of where Joni went in Scotland? I vaguely remember her saying something about heavy drapes and mustiness. That would be around the early time when she was with Larry Klein. Does she have any Scottish ancestry? And I threw my drink - must be the Irish blood. Were there any references ever written about it? Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:42:30 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Joni's Lead Balloons For once and for all, it's good to be able to write the definitive post. The least good of Joni. And this is it. No more to be said. No drum roll - more chicken drumstick. Wooden drumsticks to wooden spoons. The all-time least good - need I say more, D.C and I don't mean Muslims stick up Washington. Secondly, nothing can be done about it now. Turdly, why dream about flat tiring songs to listen to? May the 4th be with you, the self explanatory Lead Balloon. I married Isis on the 5th day sex kills. The list goes on but not much. Snakes and Ladders, Try Another, Shiny Toys, Why Do Fools ......... She waywarded at a time and as I said a few posts ago, if she hadn't done any of her earlier work, I certainly wouldn't listen to let alone have bought WTRF, DED, CMIARS. NRH was a welcome return to form. The Only Joy in Town. I am flabbergasted how people could think Refuge of, Willy, Cold Blue Steel, Jungle, The Arrangement could be deemed as the least. Are you on the right Discussion Line? Get off the line there's a train coming+ACE- :-) Takes all sorts, as the saying goes. Willy Shake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:07:16 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: (no subject) What does NP mean? Is it what we are listening to at the time? Trying to learn the lingo, kammy NP-Ben Harper ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:46:07 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs In a message dated 2/26/01 8:13:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: << ---------------------------------- Deb Messling >> are you THE Deb Messling?The one who's going to be on the "Tonight Show" with Jay Leno tonight? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:49:57 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Without a doubt, this is my least favorite thread. It's like talking about a family and discussing which kids are the ugliest or the least likely to succeed. Booo. CC "And the worst are full of passion without mercy." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:25:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jonifests? - --- Artheobeat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/26/01 9:17:15 AM, > anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > << OK, I give up. What does TIA mean >> > It is a ancient Inca greeting. Means "health, > joy, and fertility". Naw > - actually I stole that from one of my favorite > 'seer/sages' of all time - > Radar from 'MASH'. He always signed off his camp > broadcasts with "That Is > All" - TIA. > TIA, Artheo So glad you cleared THAT one up - TIA also stands for "transient ischemic attack" which is a small stroke, (which is pretty much the opposite of yer ancient Inca greeting). TTFN Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:48:34 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Scotland In a message dated 2/26/01 3:09:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, willy100@indosat.net.id writes: > Does she have any Scottish ancestry? And I threw my drink - must be > the Irish blood. Were there any references ever written about it? > Willy the Shake > > > > Yes, Scots and Irish ancestry Steve Ponsonby may know when & where Joni traveled while in Scotland. Hey Steve honey, you out there lurking? Stephen is a big Neil fan as well as being a huge Joni fan. Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:04:27 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: re: Least Favorite Joni Songs <> I disagree, CC. While it appears that this thread has negative connotations, oftentimes what happens is that people are led to a greater appreciation of that particular song. I posted not too long ago about not liking "Tea Leaf Prophecy", and if I remember correctly, *YOU* were one of the people who voiced your support for it. Even though I didn't bump it up into my Top 10, I didn't put it on my 'least favorite' list because now I can appreciate it more and I know that there are others that really dig it. Besides, I'll bet a lot of those "Least likely to succeed" kids are out there enjoying their success! ;~) As long as we approach this type of thread with a sense of open-mindness (like ALL threads I guess) they don't have to become diss-fests. Who knows, we might even change our minds! Bob NP: Sheryl Crow, "Maybe Angels" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:05:30 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs In a message dated 2/26/01 5:02:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlmessling@yahoo.com writes: << Yes, that's me! I'll be sure to mention the JMDL on the show tonight. >> Great! I hope you have fun,and I'll be sure to watch! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:22:15 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: least favorite Joni <> Facelift may not be the best song Joni's done, but to me it is an IMPORTANT song. Joni is one of a few of a handful of artists who have remained vital since they started. She has matured, and her work has reflected that maturity. She's in a great situation material-wise, I think...her ongoing battle with Myrtle over what's proper, her re-discovery of Kilauren, being a grandmother, a mother, and a daughter simultaneously, growing a love relationship in all those directions...I certainly hope she mines this sorta stuff as opposed to redoing her old songs with orchestra, but of course I'll accept gratefully whatever she gives. I'm just glad she's still giving. I think she's in a unique situation as a composer to write some really original work. Bob NP: Sheryl Crow, "If It Makes You Happy" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:35:58 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Come in From the Cold The mailman brought me a present today, a promotional copy of her Come in From the Cold video. This was so kewl. I got such a kick out of watching Joni dance around her kitchen in her PJ's. I wish I had that much fun in my kitchen washing dishes. I'll have to try this sometime. I loved the whole video, especially the slideshow of her photography. Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:03:02 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: Andy Stancliffe Subject: re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Coming out of lurkdom, I have to agree with CC about this thread: >Without a doubt, this is my least favorite thread. It's like talking >about a family and discussing which kids are the ugliest or the least >likely to >succeed. Booo. It's not that I don't think we can't be critical of our idol, but so many of the least favorite songs are ones that I too might once have put into my own 'least favorite' category, and then found that years later, eventuallly came through for me. Some of the songs that I used to skip over are now the ones I pay closest attention to, and find myself humming or singing to myself. The fact that I finally appreciate some of her songs 10, 20 or 30 years later is another reason I'm still in awe of Joni after all these years. Also, on the facelift thread, when I saw Joni up close in Hollywood in December 1999 at the opening of the exhibition of her paintings at LACE, she didn't look to have had any work done. I think when she appears on TV she has someone who knows how to do good TV makeup. She looked so great on Letterman, Rosie and the TNT tribute last year, and especially on the Grammys the other night. Also, as someone who admits she doesn't wake up until afternoon, she probably has very little sun damage! Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:03:39 -0500 From: "Thom Byrd" Subject: still looking for joni pics I have seen the ones at joni . com does anyone know where I can find more* Here is a joni inspired drawing http://www.artistnation.com/members/paris/thom/p07.html have a look tell me what you think* (*~*)thom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:07:23 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs the ones i skip: 1. Yvette in English....from possibly my favourite Joni album (possibly maybe:) and i find it too borign for words 2. YOu Dream Flat Tyres...one question- WHY?? 3. The Wolf that lives in Lyndsey i dont really hate them, and i do sometimes listen to Yvette. Lyndsey i listen to sometimes just to remind myself how many facets there are to joni, and flat tyres, well i can only stomach that one in the live recordings!! Bob the SCJoniguy Said: >NP: Jeff Buckley, "People's Parties" (live) OMG OMG OMG When will this one be availbale Bob???? Jeff Buckley was one of the most talented artists to arrive in the nineties, and this is one of those Joni tracks that i just love! i just knew that someone would find it eventually! i searched everywhere for it myself! i even had friends onto that one,lol! GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:23:47 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs << OMG OMG OMG When will this one be availbale Bob???? Jeff Buckley was one of the most talented artists to arrive in the nineties, and this is one of those Joni tracks that i just love! i just knew that someone would find it eventually! i searched everywhere for it myself! i even had friends onto that one,lol! >> Look for about a mid-March release on that one, (Volume 15) Garrett...and all thanks to Philip, the uber-hound of the covers world, and doing it all from the coast of Ireland - go figga! :~) Philip wasn't bowled over by Jeff's take on PP, while I find it ragged and enchanting in that Jeff Buckley way. There's a female vocal on this one too...Philip, do we know who the vocalist is? It sounds a little like Jane Siberry... Anyway, one of a number of really cool covers awaiting on #15. If you haven't contacted John your Dutch Uncle yet for #14, go ahead and get in line, he'll be back on the 8th and hopefully will have enough work to keep him out of trouble! And speaking of covers hounds, those who peruse the used vinyl section of your record shop, keep an eye peeled for Glenn Miller's "Do You Wanna Dance". Apparantly it's rare because when I've found it it's been very expensive. Of course, the cover in question is BSN! Bob NP: Dave Matthews, "What You Are" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:45:51 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Dublin Morning I have finally caught up on all those digests! so, i may be hogging a bit of bandwidth tonight! how long will this last? until the first digest of tomorrow arrives!! i'm one of those people that responds to something that was posted about three days ago, without ever checking if any progress has been made on that thread! lol, so if any of you new guys find that happening, don't worry!! it's natural!! in fact, i'd be worried if it didnt happen to me! WELCOME guys! well, to get to the point, slowly but surely as ever:-) i guess this is JC, but i'm not too sure if it *actually* qualifies. sorry if it bugs you, but i'm sure you'll love this as much as i did!! My good friend and drinks buddy Chris Marshall, from Cambridge in England of all wonderful places, took the time to schweh on over to cloudy Dublin last month to visit the city, and to say hi to me while he was here:-) and what can i say, but i'm a great host!! no seriously, we did havr a great time. well, at the end of january Chris sent me a wonderful, sweet email. and this is all done with Chris permission. the voice you will here next belongs to Chris Marshall (with me on backing vocals:-D ======= I'd been thinking of "parodying" Chelsea Morning since my 2nd or 3rd day in Dublin. So here it is: I changed things that would fit, but left other lines alone. I hope you like it! Woke up, it was a Dublin morning, and the first thing that I heard was the sound of church bells ringing, out of time and out of tune It came ringing up to hurt my ears and ripped straight through my hang-over Oh, can't I stay We'll put on the day And we'll wear it till the night comes Woke up, it was a Dublin morning, and the first things that I saw Were the wheel clamps on the parked cars, and the cleaner at my door Mops and sprays and towels to put out, and a scowl made in my nightmares Oh, can't I stay We'll put on the day There's a sun show every second Now the curtain opens on a portrait of today And the streets are full of ejits drunk And seagulls fly And papers lie Waiting to blow away Woke up, it was a Dublin morning, and the first thing that I knew Was my tourguide would turn up soon Demanding cups of strong tea too Then he walked in with a wide smile that stuck to all my senses Oh, can't I stay, We'll put on the day And talk with constant interruptions When the curtain closes and the rainbow runs away I will bring you MGDs by night By candlelight By jewellight If only I can stay Oh pretty baby, can't I Woke up, it was a Dublin morning ======= and NO chris, i dont think its too "in-joke". it's perfect. Love and Luck GARRET Np- Joni- Chelsea Morning ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:48:30 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Well done Philip, well i never:-) you just have to let me in on teh secret of HOW and WHERE you found this. was it part of a concert recording? looking forward to that march release already! GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:31:16 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: still looking for joni pics In a message dated 2/26/01 6:14:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, thombyrd@hotmail.com writes: > I have seen the ones at joni . com does anyone know where I can find more* > Here is a joni inspired drawing > http://www.artistnation.com/members/paris/thom/p07.html have a look tell > me > what you think* > (*~*)thom > Tom, I've been to your site before. Very nice pencil drawings. I suggest you join JoniMitchellfans@yahoogroups.com. that is where we post our Joni pictures. Also, Pat Bolland set up a gallery on photo point. The URL is: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1502641 Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:35:03 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: The AsharaFest 2000 CD's Hi y'all Out of the shadows momentarily I am, to comment on Marcel's terrific report on the Northeast Fest 2000 Cd's, which I understand are starting to find their way about the list. Marcel supposes I was may have been responsible for some or all of the production behind these CD's. The answer is : Some! Whereas I have provided most of the stage audio gear for the live shows the past three years, that's just the very beginning. In the process, most everyone pitches in and helps with all the aspects of 'puttin' on a show'. I always need to credit Mr. Paz without whose deep experience in things-audio we would never have the slightest chance to bring these numbers off. Eveybody 'roadied', basically. Some people roadied gas grills, even, but without the shrimp the music wouldn't have been the same! This year, everything was way complicated when we had to pick up the whole rig due to rain and drive it all 30 miles to the alternate rain-site. It was a little amazing, but I think we has sound up and running by 2 PM? (This, while not quite awake from the night before...) Then, there is the recording process. These CD's were all produced by the Ron Popiel School of Audio Production - "Set it, and forget it". The Cd's came from the board direct to DAT's. We had three machines running out of tape at different times but from Les Irvin's and Paz's sets I guess we caught almost everything. The sets were very nice, to say the least. We were also lucky again, engineering wise. Now to get from these DAT's to CD is another whole process, and I think I'll leave it to Les, in his characteristic humility, to provide the details. They're great! One regret I had this year (of a couple) was that we didn't manage to tape my band's set at Atty May's on Sunday. All I can say is that it was a highlight of my LIFE playing behind that fabulous that party that 'broke out'. You had to be there... I do show up occasionally on these tracks. I am on keyboard on some of these performances and that's about all I had in me this year what with other coverage and being quite ill on top of that. I was honored to play behind Ann and Leslie and Ashara. I also had a ball playing behind Victor Johnson's set at May's which was really rocking until some 'technical difficulties' ensued. But this is all to say: much credit due to ALL and principally among that all, LES!! for making this music see the light of day again. (already in planning for next year's Northeast Fest! We are looking to outsource the sound to PROFESSIONALS who will also be there to twiddle the knobs during sets and help with stage setting so that the musicians can do a little more *partying and *playing!. And.... we'll have decent monitors!) Chuck Eisenhardt - -not actually playing now but heard on the way home from work: Jim Webb - 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress' - WOW. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:00:36 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Brits at Jonifests YES! Count me in for help. It would be great to have a full band to play Joni stuff with as well as all other music. So far I am packing XX number of pounds of shrimp, One VG-8, One Parker Concert Fly Guitar, One Keyboard (probably my Ensoniq TS-10 OR Yamaha S-80, one Dat recorder, and I am trying to bring one Drummer Kevin with DW Drum Kit (with Black Pearl Ringo finish). Love Michael P.S. We are talking about Ashara's right? Sept. 2001. I sense an announcement forthcoming. YAY!!!!!!! Fried Clams..... on 2/25/01 6:53 PM, Kakki at KakkiB@worldnet.att.net wrote: >> Well it sure is foggy and wet a lot of the time here in the UK. And dreary >> too! Nevertheless, this sounds like a challenge! If we managed to find our >> way across the Big Pond armed only with guitars and toothbrushes, could > you >> guys line up some places to play where we could beg, steal, borrow amps, >> drums, p.a? (Oh, and somewhere to sleep?) Can we help turn M's dream into >> reality? > > Oh Clive, no problem - there are always LOTS of amps, p.a.'s, mics, guitars, > keyboards and extra instruments and places to sleep at Ashara's! Chuck E > and Paz always ensure there is lots of equipment and I think they were > looking into getting a drum set last year in case Terry M made it there. We > really need to get more of the across the Pond group over here! Marian from > Vienna and John Van Tiel have faithfully attended almost every Fest. > Hopefully you and some of the others can come over! > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:03:40 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: least favorite -- Help Me???? Come on down. I will be at the House of Blues with the Neville Brothers till 2am, but I will leave the "big door open so everyone can come around". I Dig Help Me too, one of her finest. Dance with the lady with the hole in her stocking. Paz on 2/25/01 9:04 PM, Louis Lynch at louislynch@paonline.com wrote: > Hi everybody again, > > Everyone's entitled to a least favorite to call one's own, and I usually agree > with Deb Messling, but I really really like "Help Me." It's a peppy love > song. Joni's voice sounds so sweet, oh it thrilled me when I first heard it > on the radio. It brought Joni's music to a great many folk, too, so it did > good for Joni. It's a perfect pop song. And, there's nothing wrong with > writing a perfect pop song, for any composer of any era. It sounds wild on > the harp. And it's great for coffeehouse gigs. Oh, and it rhymes so well, > too. > > Has anyone seen "O Brother Where Art Thou" (or maybe I missed out on a > thread)? I saw it this weekend, and recommend it. It's a must-see for any > musician, hallelujah! > > Speaking of "Help Me," Joni has a penchant for lifting folk expressions or > lines, like the lady with the hole in her stocking from "Buffalo Girls" or her > references to wildwood flowers and such. Does anyone know what that lyric > incorporation is called? > > Let's all just pack up and go visit Michael in New Orleans for Mardi Gras! > Hey, Michael, have space for 626 or so guests? See you Monday night! > > Regards, > Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:07:28 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: new list member, Kammy Hi Jane And welcome to the list. YES and only a few hours south is New Orleans where we will have DMB on May 5th at the Jazz Fest and also a mini-JoniFest. Who's coming??? Paz on 2/25/01 9:45 PM, Jane at janeo324@yahoo.com wrote: > Hey y'all > > Another lurker compelled to speak up. Here I am in > Birmingham AL where I cannot recall having met anyone > in the past ten years who loves Joni's music, and in > the space of one day/two digests, out of cyberspace > appear two fellow listers from my town! How cool is > that?! Are there any more out there? We'll have a > mini-Joni fest here at this rate. Something tells me > these stifling suburbs just aren't the place to meet > such kindred spirits... > > I have mostly lurked, but have always enjoyed this > intelligent, witty and knowledgeable group of folks > that make up the JMDL. I enjoy all sorts of music, > and have explored many new (to me) artists suggested > by the eclectic tastes of the JMDL. I am at the > moment trying to get into Jonatha. She's growing on > me, I must admit. In addition, I regularly listen to > Dave Matthews Band, Counting Crows, Jackson Browne, > Shawn Colvin, Martin Sexton, U2, John Gorka, and I > could go on. > > Nice to meet all of you! > > Jane > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:11:18 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Brits at Jonifests OOOOOOOOOOOOOO SAY IT'S REALLY SO!!!!!!!!!!! Come on Chris we need ya. I would love to play with ya. Michael NP-Matinee Idol-The Yellowjackets on 2/26/01 3:17 AM, Chris Marshall at chris@secure-si.co.uk wrote: > Marcel accused us of having a damp and foggy climate, to which Clive > responded: >> Well it sure is foggy and wet a lot of the time here in the UK. And dreary >> too! Nevertheless, this sounds like a challenge! If we managed to find our >> way across the Big Pond armed only with guitars and toothbrushes, could you >> guys line up some places to play where we could beg, steal, borrow amps, >> drums, p.a? (Oh, and somewhere to sleep?) Can we help turn M's dream into >> reality? > > And hey look - I'm staring out of the window at a sunny blue sky. Bit cold > though. > > I will definitely have a go at getting over to Ashara's this year. That is, > just as long as I can persuade the airline not to turn my fretless bass > into kindling. > > --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:15:10 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs on 2/26/01 5:35 AM, Jerry Notaro at notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu wrote: > The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines > God Must Be A Boogie Man > A Chair In The Sky > The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey > Be Cool > Sweet Sucker Dance > Love OH MY GAWD!!! NOT Love. Jerry I am sorry to have to remove you from my backyard barbque VIP list. LOL Michael P.S. I KNEW I shouldn't have started this damn thread. I am gonna have to try and come up with my top ten faves just to try and turn the tides again. NP-Going Home-Rolling Stones/Aftermath > The Three Great Stimulants > The Tea Leaf Prophecy (Lay Down Your Arms) > Snakes And Ladders > The Reoccurring Dream > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:28:25 -0600 From: "Dave and Beth Fairall" Subject: [none] Kammy for Alabamy said: Kammy, Did you drive all the way from Alabamy?....if so that's quite impressive!! I drove up to the city from Baltimore, and got up at the crack of dawn to drive to Bethel, but couldn't get anywhere near the front. Staked our claim to a spot near the soundboard, and it was great!! That was before I subscribed to this list, and was wondering what JMDL stood for, maybe Joni Mitchell Diehard Lovers or something... Dave F. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:01:54 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Audio Tape Trees: Available *NOW* This post has 100% Joni content. It's an offer of Joni material to all JMDLers, whether on the Joni-only list or the free-for-all list. - --- The audio tape trees are available *NOW*. Simon's tape trees include interviews and many, many live performances. There are audience recordings of Joni in her coffee house days. There are soundboard and TV recordings of Joni with James Taylor on the BBC (mono), and Joni at "A Day In the Garden" (stereo), etc, etc. Chuck's tree, "A Case Of You: The More Out Of Tune Voices, The Better" features lots of JMDLers doing their favorite Joni songs. So if you're already familiar with "Miles Of Aisles", "Shadows and Light", and "Painting With Words and Music", write me off-list so you can find out more about this ingenious Master of songwriting. An overview of these trees is available at www.jmdl.com/trading . How it works: Send me blank cassettes. I'll dub onto your cassettes with a high quality Nakamichi cassette deck, from very low generation tapes; I was an original branch for all 8 audio tape trees (so far!) so the sound quality is really, really nice. If you live within the USA or its territories, include return postage. If you don't live in the USA, I will bill you for the return postage (which will be more than you could ever imagine but it will still be cheap compared to buying a bootleg on eBay.) This is not a profit making situation so I really want to be reimbursed for the postage! I supply simple J-cars for the cassettes. Others on the List may be providing CDs of some or all of the Audio trees on CD (on a blanks and postage basis) so if you prefer cassettes, post a nice request. If you live in the UK, please post a request to the list specifically for a UK branch. Lama (Jim L'Hommedieu) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:20:07 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Both Sides Now" concert cassette Hey kids. Here's another offer to spin high-quality cassette copies of audience recordings at the 2000 "Both Sides Now" tour stop at Concord, California or at the "The Theatre at Madison Square Garden" in New York, New York. Both were made with high quality microphones feeding a DAT (a portable pro-quality tape recorder). Others on the List may be able to offer CDs of these or other shows including the opening night in Los Angeles, California. Anyway, write me off-list if you want details. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:57:30 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: yeah, Joni's gorgeous/Covers Vo. 14 Hey Andy! Good to see you pop up! > Also, on the facelift thread, when I saw Joni up close in >Hollywood in December 1999 at the opening of the >exhibition of her paintings at LACE, she didn't look to >have had any work done. We've had the facelift debate a number of times here, and I would have suspected it had I not also seen her up close at PWWAM and LACE. She's aging naturally but she does have a miracle make-up man in Paul Starr. I thought it was funny when she joked in one of the interviews about having the face that could morph into anything. She is much more beautiful in person than in most of her photos. I also kind of agree with the theory of sleeping in all day and avoiding the sun. Good beauty rest. Add that to her spirit and innate creativity and she wears it real well - for free ;-) Kakki NP: Covers Vol. 14 just arrived - thanks Bob!! This is another great one, well-arranged by Bob and with nice art work. The Midnight Cowboy Song doesn't sound like Joni at all! So far, the standouts for me are Richard Isen, Lydia Van Damme, Mark Murphy and Andy Milne's Cosmic Dapp Theory, but they are all great! Thanks to the contributors. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #67 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?