From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #61 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, February 23 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 061 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Lotto Update [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE:Joni & Carlos Santana presenting the award ["Susan Guzzi" ] RE:Joni & Carlos Santana presenting the award [Alison E ] Re: Grammy's [jclarknyc@netscape.net (Jeff Clark)] Passed on third or fourth hand ["Michael Paz" ] a couple of grammy questions [GREYC1@aol.com] Re: a couple of grammy questions ["Brenda J. Walker" ] a strange girl ["Garret" ] Re: update... ["P. Henry" ] FACELIFT (nip here, tuck there...) ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] RE: Grammies- who was that jazz singer? [RK1THXguy@aol.com] Re: Merk's setback; was Joni Print Contest - A temporary set back. ["Jim ] Macy Gray won best female pop vocalist ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni to appear at Mardi Gras! [Jim and/or Jay ] grimy grammies [Tyler Hewitt ] grimy grammies ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: Grammies- who was that jazz singer? [TerryM2222@aol.com] Joni and Tim - Spider Robinson column, Globe and Mail [Catherine McKay ] Re: FACELIFT (nip here, tuck there...) ["Emma Caywood" Subject: RE:Joni & Carlos Santana presenting the award Congratulations Joni and Vince! Doing a little skip or victory dance around the office this morning ... is that the wind or me shaking the Sears Tower? Didn't Joni look great! I think she's really getting into dressing the part of the Grand Dame of Music. Her dress was great - the colors and look ... and did you notice the shoes of gold /yellow to match the green/goldish dress. Although the banter between her & Carols, written by someone else, did not go too smoothly. They also did not overburden themselves with nervousness over it's flow. At least anymore than Shelby Lynne and Sheryl Crow did after their number. Waiter please may I have some of what Ms. Lynne is having? Besides her tattoo, we got a glimpse of her we may never have expected - WOW! Happy for her victory but haven't her and Sisqo been around longer than this past year? Or has Sisqo just suffering from overexposure? One more thing about Joni. Didn't it appear that all of the guys in U2 just couldn't wait to kiss and thank Joni? I think it humbled them to get an award from her and they were really more excited about paying homage to her. That's what I'm going to think no matter what anyone says! Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:43:48 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: RE:Joni & Carlos Santana presenting the award Susan wrote: >One more thing about Joni. Didn't it appear that all of the guys in U2 just couldn't wait to kiss and thank Joni? I think it humbled them to get an award from her and they were really more excited about paying homage to her. That's what I'm going to think no matter what anyone says! I noticed exactly the same! It was almost like "let me get my mic time over so I can go talk with the Joan." ;-) Yep, yesterday was a good day. Joni and Jonatha Brooke. Brian Symes and I went and saw Jonatha play her free set in Portland, six songs here I think, and not only got to meet her, but she had her management come out to find us again and asked us to come back and visit with her more after she slipped into a private room. Is that cool or what! ;-) She was fabulous! Penny ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 07:56:06 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: RE:Joni & Carlos Santana presenting the award - --- Susan Guzzi wrote: Waiter please may I > have some of what Ms. > Lynne is having? Besides her tattoo, we got a > glimpse of her we may never > have expected - WOW! Happy for her victory but > haven't her and Sisqo been > around longer than this past year? shelby lynne's first album came out in like '93. best new artist, OF THE LAST DECADE maybe. actually, i don't care much for her. she seems to jump from genre to genre. looks like she found one that works for her, finally. she's got nice tits, though. i'll give her that. alison e. in nyc ducking out of the way of bob's punches.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:34:35 From: "c Karma" Subject: Joni as presenter Wow! How confident, poised and cool was Mitchell as she presented with Santana to U2, eh? That was definitely the class moment of the evening and a creative epicenter. Asides: Performance highlight for me was Moby/Jill Scott/Blue Man Group but I also have to say that Christina Aguilera was the surprise of the night for me. I was truly entertained, and I'm not talking about the combination of cleavage and pyrotechnics. She can sing. CC A camera pans the cocktail hour, behind a blind of potted palms." -- JM PS. Congratulations Joni, Larry and Vince! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:40:14 -0500 From: jclarknyc@netscape.net (Jeff Clark) Subject: Re: Grammy's CONGRATULATIONS JONI!!! <> Yeah, this is exactly how I felt. After one-half hour watching this program I could take no more and had to go to my room and listen to Mark Knopfler's "Sailing to Philadelphia" which I just bought a couple days ago and love. Yes I love music, but the Grammy's -- Forget It! I was with Joni in spirit though and so glad she won-- maybe it will be part of a Video Tree someday?? By the way I wonder why Mark Knopfler's album was not nominated for any major awards--it is such an excellent record, imo. It seems to have been ignored all around--though I have been hearing "What it is" on the radio lately. I was glad to hear that U2 won. I was never a huge fan of their's, but I think ATYCLB is a fantastic, mature pop/rock album, my favorite of last year and I think the best they've ever made. One thing I like is the stream of positivism that comes across in their lyrics now. It is really much easier to write a sad, melancholy melody that touches peoples souls than it is to write a happy positive song without sounding sappy and cornball. In that way "It's a Beautiful Day" is a triumph, and strangely courageous in today's rock world. And "New York" is the best song about the bad apple since Lou Reed's "Dirty Boulevard". Jeff NP: Mark Knopfler "Baloney Again" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:33:33 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Passed on third or fourth hand I got this from my friend Susan who's brother Larry thought I should read it and I figured I would pass it on to you all and see what your comments were on the topic. I had NOT heard that Joni had made a trip to Cuba. I also meant to say that I had a Joni moment on the road yesterday when I was driving thru Ruston Louisiana I found a station (91.5FM) that was playing the World Cafe program and they played Secret Place. They had a program that followed about the grammys, but I could not catch the whole thing cause I had to go into a meeting. Its nice to know that even in rural America, there are some good radio stations that are playing good music instead of "the formula". Later Paz - -----Original Message----- From: Susan Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 3:10 PM To: MICHAEL PAZ (E-mail) Subject: FW: You won't believe this! - -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 2:56 PM To: Susan Subject: Re: You won't believe this! I would be interested to know what Michael Paz and DK think about this, because they are so involved in the music industry. BTW Joni Mitchell went to Cuba a few years ago -- I wonder if Gloria Estefan and will try to get her music banned in the US. I guess a national health care program, lunch programs for children, pre-natal care for poor women, and housing for the homeless must take a back-seat as national priorities because those fat-ass confederate-white boy-fraternity brother republicans and the right wing Cuban "exile" industry have to persecute Ry Cooder for making the world aware of incredible Cuban music with the Buena Vista Social Club! Apparently the schoolboy brat republicans are so pissed off that Ry Cooder gave Hillary Clinton a campaign contribution, that they're now gearing up to persecute him. The Clinton administration went to bat for Cooder with the State Department and Treasury, and now republicans are targeting him! Please pass this on to all of your friends in the music industry! [short article:] It's all well and good to mobilize the powers of a great nation against the evil of the Buena Vista Social Club (oh? you haven't heard?), but just where was the Bush administration tonight to protect us from these four musicians from the evil land of Teheran? Where, in fact, was security last week when the RUSSIAN National Orchestra performed in the same hall?! That's stupid, you say. Who would prevent Chinese, Russian, Iranian artists from performing today -- right? So how does the administration explain its move against Ry Cooder, who found, promoted and made the elderly Cuban musicians of the Social Club into the international treasure they have become? Yes, the new administration is dusting off the 40-year-old Trading with the Enemy Act to deal with Cooder, who -- gasp! -- apparently paid for tickets on the Cuban airline. Cooder's attorney says the problem is the guitarist's contribution to Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign, interpreted as a payoff for the Clinton administration's urging of the State Department to issue Cooder visas for his visits to Cuba and urging the US Treasury to allow royalty-sharing with the Cuban musicians, who are in their 70s and 80s -- a clear and present danger to the Republic. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:54:36 EST From: GREYC1@aol.com Subject: a couple of grammy questions Does anyone know the title of the song that Jill Scott/Moby sang? Also, I can't for the life of me identify the song that Dolly Parton sang. I know it was a hit for someone else many years ago and last night's version was re-done country style. Anyone know the title? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:15:39 -0800 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: a couple of grammy questions GREYC1@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone know the title of the song that Jill Scott/Moby sang? > > Natural Blues Brenda N.P. - Natural Blues from last night's Grammy's (because, of course, all of the performances are on Napster). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:29:34 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Joni at the Grammy's, and a great big thanks! My lasting impression of the Grammy's is a fantasy one. There is Joni up on the stage with Carlos, probably wondering why the hell she was here in the first place. Carlos tears open the envelope to see who won record of the year, but instead of U2 winning, the Grammy goes to Destiny's Child for Say My Name. Unable to speak, Carlos hands the envelope to Joni, who immediately breaks out into one of those famous laughs of hers. Joni and Carlos then break into a spontaneous accapella version of the Marvin Gaye classic "What's goin on?" Security is finally brought to the stage, where Joni is forced to announce the winner. The half naked trio jiggles up to the podium, and just as Joni is about to hand them the award, she let's go of it, and it crashes to the floor. A cat fight ensues, in which Joni kicks all three of their partially covered asses. A genuine Kodak moment! Now I would like to thank everyone for their kind words and support in the aftermath of my surgery. As Brian and Mags have stated much more eloquently than I can, you can not begin to imagine how much this means. So far my recovery is progressing as planned, thoughed based upon my fantasy segment above, I might need to talk to my doctor about having my medications checked! Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:29:13 -0800 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: a couple of grammy questions BTW - the original tune was "Trouble So Hard" performed by Vera Hall, who sang spirituals. Moby sampled the song for "Natural Blues" from his Play album. "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > > GREYC1@aol.com wrote: > > > > Does anyone know the title of the song that Jill Scott/Moby sang? > > > > > > Natural Blues > > Brenda > > N.P. - Natural Blues from last night's Grammy's (because, of course, all > of the performances are on Napster). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:57:04 EST From: RK1THXguy@aol.com Subject: *Grammy's - SJC Joni's win - YES!!!! Grammy's pay overdue respect to genius. Steely Dan - FINALLY!! Recognition for a duo who has consistently turned out some of the most unique and exquisite music ever created! Donald's obvious apathy spoke volumes about the Dan's 'attitude' about the relevance of a Grammy. I do like those irreverent boys! Shelby Lynn - A reward for perseverance. Sounded wonderful with Sheryl! I see London, I see France - don't think there were any underpants! :-) Hottest performance - Nnenna Freelon & Take Six (sizzlin', smokin', hit hot hot!!!) Nicest surprise - Paul Simon's performance (never listened to his new album, but if that was indicative - I will own it) Most beautiful woman - Faith Hill (what a natural beauty - I'm melting) Eminem - YAWN! A most forgettable artist who will quickly fade. Elton - ???? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:23:32 +0700 From: "william" Subject: A Case of Champagne We are 12 hours plus ahead of the States, though many decades behind and this morning I had a surprise call from some friends I'll be visiting in Noo Yawk soon. They were relaying the Crummys to me over the phone. Joni hadn't won yet. I said, Well if she wins I'll buy us a case of champagne when I get there. They'll hold me to it too, the dahlinks. I will drink a case of champagne to Joni. Still I might be on my financial feet, as it were. Willy the Dumb Pierrot-ignon Shaking all over. Here's and Cheers to Joni! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:01:59 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: a strange girl Well, folks i rolled out of bed today (it's science day at my college- no lectures or practicals for all of us lucky science students) at some awful afternoon-esque hour. i logged on and found out how Joni fared at the grammies. fair play girl, in all fairness we knew you could do it. sure, you needed another door stop didnt you?:-) well, i let my friends know about Joni's good fortune, and my friend Claire replied as below. i'm beginning to fear for Claireys mental health! she did send me a second mail saying it was all in good humour. i sent her a BSN e-greeting to show no hard feelings, hehe. it's strange, i know, but here goes........ > hello hello > after reading those email from liamo and garret all i > can think about is cake......mmmmmm > so i said to joni mitchel "have some cake " and guess > what our joni said. well joni said "no id rather have > some tapioca pudding" thats exactly what joni mitchell > said when i asked her- joni mitchell incase you > forgot i was talking about joni when i was saying that > she likes tapioca pudding- if she wanted some cake >. you > might have seen our joni last night on TV. or perhaps you just logged onto >her website this morning (www.jonimitchell.com for those of you not in the >know) well i saw her anyway and she was deadly. but then again joni's >always > deadly, i mean, with a name like joni mitchell you can't > go wrong now can you? that's what i think and that's what joni mitchell >thinks! >i wish i was called joni mitchell, in fact i > wish i was joni mitchell! can you imagine what it > would be like if you were joni? and people called you > joni mitchell? and that was your name- joni mitchell i mean just in case >you've forgotten that this is a discussion on whether or not joni mitchell likes >cake. >anyway, i > think it would be fantastic to be joni, or even to eat > cake with joni mitchell would be deadly...... of course joni, as she informed >me, > doesnt even like cake so you'd have to bake some > tapioca pudding for joni wouldn't you? i mean if you were > in a room with joni mitchell and you offered her cake she(joni mitchell just >in case it isnt clear) would think you were odd > because joni made it perfectly clear that joni doesnt > like cake. no, she prefers tapioca pudding. > well > thats all i have to say about joni mtchell for the > moment, but i might think of something else joni did, or > joni said, or joni wore, or joni ate, or where joni was, > at what time joni was there, and what joni did then, and > what joni did after that, and what joni was doing > before i saw her- joni mitchel that is for those of younot following. if i do > remember anything along those lines that joni did i'll let you > know ok, and dont be worried that you won't know who im > talking about because ill tell you know it was joni. joni mitchell. i mean > im not obsessed with the letters in her name or > anything but i just think joni mitchell likes tapioca > pudding, for the simple reason that joni mitchell told me that last night after the grammies when i offered her cake! ok? anyone have any questions on >joni > mitchell? or do yous all know everything about joni > mitchell already? > > > > ===== > ***WE'RE OFF TO BUTTON MOON WE FOLLOWED MR SPOON BUTTON MOON BUTTON MOON....*** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:25:05 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: update... just wait til I post the nudes!!! LoL! glad you like it catherine. I still have a lot to go and plan to do some separating of the early Joni pics into pre-CA/CA... it's tricky cause all I can go by really is her hair. she started out with the bangs, grew it long in '69 I think, and then went back to bangs. for example, the last 2 pics in the 'joni' gallery are from LA, I'm sure... after Big Sur... I'm thinking '70? oh, I think I'm gonna need a lot of help with this... especially after we get through that phase. ('Oh God! The Perm!' LoL!) so c'mon, all you hairdressers out there! let's get us a NICE Joni gallery up and running! :o) pat - -- On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:31:11 Catherine McKay wrote: > >--- "P. Henry" wrote: >> it's still far from finished but there have been >> some additions at: >> >> http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1502641 >> >> enjoy, > >This is wonderful! Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:57:26 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: FACELIFT (nip here, tuck there...) My Mother and I spoke after the Grammys last night. Unfortunately, I missed the show due to the fact that I had to be at work serving Chinese food to the masses of annoying children going to see Penn & Teller around the corner. Point being, my mom has insisted for a while now that Joni has had massive amounts of plastic surgery done in order to preserve her look. Last night's appearence only firmed this up, as she told me Joni looked great, but undoubtedly 'pinched'. I found this irritating, but as I've had time to think it over, it's simply not the insane notion I had originally thought. It's not as though we're all there, seeing JM going about her day...scratching her ass, blowing her nose, etc. And so, it's entirely possible Mom's correct (she's a little fixated right now, having recently decided she should have had a lift years ago, and now she thinks it's too late). Thoughts? Has Joni drank from the artificial fountain of youth? - -Chris NP:Joan Osbourne-"Runnin' Out Of Time" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:36:22 EST From: Marksa973@aol.com Subject: Re: FACELIFT (nip here, tuck there...) In a message dated 2/22/2001 5:23:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, magpie119@juno.com writes: << my mom has insisted for a while now that Joni has had massive amounts of plastic surgery done in order to preserve her look. >> You're not the only one who thinks Joni has had "work." I watched the Grammies last night with a friend of mine who works for a plastic surgeon, and as soon as Joni came on stage he said, "She's had plastic surgery." He thinks she's definitely had some work around the eyes and forehead, but I don't think he would describe it as "massive amounts of plastic surgery." Frankly, I don't care. If she has had some work and it makes her happy, that's fine. I would guess the vast majority of the women who live in Bel Air and are Joni's age have had plenty of work done. If you've got the money, why not? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:46:34 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: FACELIFT (nip here, tuck there...) Maybe JM's been really happy lately. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:59:13 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Jona and Joni Totally blissed out Before the record store gets crowded Penny says to me isn't that Jonatha over there. I slide over and Pull out SP CD and ask her to sign it. Penny starts telling Jonatha about How the JMDL people have posted her tour dates then out of the corner of her eye she notices a weird stalker guy dressed in leather carrying a vase stuffed with Lilies and she disappears into the back room. About 10 minutes later a rep from her record distribution company comes out to Penny and I and asks us to come back and talk some more with her.So for another 15 minutes we talked about the local radio station, Ingrid, the People who helped her make her SP CD. A true guage of talent is to listen to a musical artist singing live with out the studio sound magic, she has got IT a Blissfully Haunting Spirit with a voice that startles you like a Hail storm starting as your walking across the street. I said cool! John Coltrane GO JONI The rest of the Hammies Circus Maximus it was like having to eat one scoop of all baskin-robbins ice cream 31 flavors The dumb white MC said it to himself I SUCK! Paul Simon's had a stupidly Minimal song. Mad Dona dancing on a Limo, how original. Elton John bad suit day. The Twit Chick in Jeans Red top and Pink Shoes walks on stage O thanks for dropping the white fur coat. I guess Jonatha's performance spoiled me. Bye. - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:04:58 EST From: RK1THXguy@aol.com Subject: RE: Grammies- who was that jazz singer? TerryM2222@aol.com wrote: << I didn't see the entire show, but boy, did my head turn when a woman came on, singing a beautiful jazz piece. She was also up for an award, but lost. Can someone tell me who she was? >> She was Nnenna Freelon being backed by Take Six - that was the hottest performance of the show!!! It was truly sizzlin', smokin', hot, hot, hot!!! Her album is called 'Soulcall' and it is excellent - if you like superb jazz vocalists! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:19:33 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Merk's setback; was Joni Print Contest - A temporary set back. Hey Jack, I'm glad you made it through! Take it easy and know that we're all pulling for you! All the best, Jim (Lama) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:32:36 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Macy Gray won best female pop vocalist Hey, now. We can't win everything! It's enough that her name is out there. The glass is definitely more than half full. I'm always amazed when co-workers nod knowingly when I tell them I'm a huge Joni fan. Although she doesn't think so, she is *not* forsaken. Go Joni! We love you through **all** your changes!! Rose said, > Give me a fu**ing break! > Like Wally would say, If I had a drink, I'd throw it right > now. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:43:43 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: RIP John Fahey > forwarded from drone music list: > > John Fahey died this morning following heart bypass surgery earlier this > week. > > John went into the hospital last week following several weeks of chest and > arm pain and was told he'd had a heart attack. He elected to have the > bypass--sextuple, as it turned out--with a sober but optimistic outlook. He > had the operation Monday morning and remained heavily sedated thereafter. By > Wednesday night, his kidneys had shut down and, following a further > unsuccessful heart procedure Thursday morning, he was placed on life support. > He was removed from life support sometime around 11 am today. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:33:03 -0500 From: Jim and/or Jay Subject: Joni to appear at Mardi Gras! Alert to those of you who live in New Orleans or are planning on visiting for Mardi Gras: My friend Gabriel Q is an incredible artist who makes unique hand-crafted masks in the Venetian tradition. He has been a Joni appreciator and this year has been particularly enraptured with Hejira. He crafted a mask of Joni's face with her classic french beret and two lines of synthetic blonde hair on either side of the mask. It struck me as both a bit humorous yet respectful in its depiction of our Joan. The mask will be shown and is available for sale (not sure of price) at the Quarter Moon Gallery, 918 Royal Street. Stop by for a look if you're there! And have fun "earning" those beads! D.J. from Cambridge, Ma ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:45:21 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: grimy grammies > I simply want to say that the Grammies really punted on album of the > year. Eminem had the album of the year, love him or hate him. Since when have the Grammy Awards been about quality in music? The Grammies are easily the least respected of all the entertainment awards, and have been for decades. They have always been about sales and popularity, not about quality. I stopped watching them about 1980 or so, having completely lost faith in their ability to reflect the quality of music being made. Love him or hate him, as soon as there was a bit of controversy Eminem didn't stand a chance for record of the year. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:05:17 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: grimy grammies Tyler Hewitt wrote: Love him or hate him, as soon as there was a bit of controversy Eminem didn't stand a chance for record of the year. Can't agree more, and am pissed that just his nomination received the attention it did. Though I felt his performance was decent, the whole Elton John thing is a puzzle. What WAS that about? And that insincere hugging @ the end. Joni looked marvelous, and rather radiant, I thought. I got quite a chuckle- she and Carlos- the old guard amongst the teeny boppers! Regards, Stephen in Vancouver NP: Joni- A Day in the Garden ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:07:28 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Grammies- who was that jazz singer? <> Thanks, all, for cracking the case. I'll be looking forward to a CDnow package at the door now. More on my Grammy's take- Disappointed in Paul Simon's choice of song. Haven't heard his new CD but hope the rest is better than that particular cut. Macy- what am I missing here? M&M (can't spell it)- kinda scares me that he's considered a hero for this generation. Ok, so I'm not supposed to take his lyrics out of context. But...out of what context? The music sucks too. Terry In a message dated 2/22/01 7:04:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, RK1THXguy writes: << She was Nnenna Freelon being backed by Take Six >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:57:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni and Tim - Spider Robinson column, Globe and Mail Here is an item that appeared in today's Globe and Mail. I don't know about people named "Spider", but this is kinda cool. Follow the link, or see text copied in below. http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/Commentary/20010222/COSPIDER.html Ballad of the rude Canadian Jean Chritien's recent travels may have confirmed Canada's genteel stereotype, but the first Canuck I ever met was a holy terror SPIDER ROBINSON Thursday, February 22, 2001 I've been waiting more than 30 years for an excuse to tell this story in print. But perhaps I'd better just get it told, because who knows whether I, or its protagonist, will wake up tomorrow? Our Prime Minister's recent visits to China and the White House were marked, by all accounts, by excessive politeness. Members of his Team Canada party even applauded when Chinese officials carted off some Canadian students who used the occasion of the visit to protest against conditions in Tibet. "That's not the Canadian way," the visitors explained. For the zillionth time, we were reminded that most of the world knows Canada only as The Place Where They're All Polite. And this reminded me, as it always does, of the first Canadian I ever met, telling a crowd of admirers they were lower than weasel smegma. I'm guessing it was 1968. In those days, there briefly existed on this planet a phenomenon I despair of explaining to the modern consumer, called "folk music." Before it all blew over, it offered sporadic employment to people such as Tom Rush, Tim Buckley, Phil Ochs, Fred Neil, Judy Collins, John Koerner, James Taylor and Bob Dylan, some of whom went on to become legitimate musicians. One of the best songwriters in folk was Tim Hardin. He's not the above-mentioned first Canadian I ever met; he was American. His biggest commercial success was a song called If I Were a Carpenter,a hit for Bobby Darin. He wrote the folk classic Reason to Believe,and a haunting jazz ballad called Misty Roses. He was one of the best performers of his songs, with a smoky, fragile voice and guitar playing as crisp as breadsticks. He seemed poised to become one of those rare folksingers to earn a living. Then someone gave him some heroin. By the time of which I speak, Mr. Hardin had already flamed out at least once -- he'd actually fallen asleep onstage at the Royal Albert Hall. Now, chastened and fresh out of rehab, he was ready to try a career-reviving comeback. A tour was booked that brought him to my large state university. A humble, low-key folkie tour: just Mr. Hardin, and an unknown solo singer for a warmup act. I may as well confess this like a man: I was a folksinger myself, in those days. I've been completely rehabilitated through a 12-step program -- swear to God -- but back then, I was one of the first on line for Tim Hardin tickets. Then, before the concert actually happened, everything changed. Not for Mr. Hardin, but for his warmup act. Lightning struck, and set her ablaze. A shy folkie with the obligatory long blond hair, hailing from some place so nowhere it wasn't even in the United States, she unexpectedly became a pop star overnight. So when Tim Hardin's big evening finally arrived, the house was packed . . . but nearly everyone had come to hear this Joni Mitchell chick. She was wonderful, of course, and held the huge crowd spellbound, in the palm of her hand, and when she was through, the standing ovation seemed to go on forever. Then Tim Hardin came out on stage, and Ms. Mitchell left . . . and so did a good quarter of the audience. The doors of this dark gymnasium, enormous ones, were on either side of the stage, and the lobby outside was brightly lit. So the policy was to keep those doors shut while someone was performing onstage. Otherwise, you were shining a big light into the audience's face, wrecking the ambience. Those wishing to enter or leave were required by ushers to wait until the song-in-progress was over. This is good policy when only a few people want to go through the doors. When many people try to leave at once, however, the result is large milling crowds on either side of the stage. As far as they were concerned, the show was over. The star had already performed, and this blockage at the door was just some temporary screwup. They made no attempt to keep silent -- didn't even bother keeping their voices down. Some shouted, the better to be heard over that guy onstage nattering on about carpenters and tinkers. Cigarettes were lit, some containing tobacco; raucous laughter rose above the general hubbub. Tim soldiered on. He finished his first song, to a smattering of applause, watched the doors open and a flood of people race to escape his music. He began another song, watched more chattering crowds form at his left and right as he sang, and flee the moment they were allowed to. He started a third tune; same result. He stopped in midsong, unslung his guitar, leaned closer to the mike, said, very softly, "How would you like it if somebody pissed in your canteen?" and left. Some folks didn't even notice. But they sure noticed when an avenging angel swept down from the bleachers, trailing blond hair like fire. Ms. Mitchell sprang onstage, grabbed the mike, and for the next five minutes, she cursed that crowd. We were barbarians, pigs, reptile excrement; she profoundly regretted having performed for us, and would tell every act she knew not to come here because we didn't deserve to hear music; she maligned us and our relatives and ancestors until she ran out of breath, and stormed offstage. Leaving behind hundreds of baffled people . . . and a handful like me, cheering even louder than we had for her songs. Mr. Hardin cut that tour short and went back to heroin. His performance at Woodstock the following year was cut from the movie. It took him another 10 horrid years to die, at 39. At his final gig in 1979, they say he just played one song -- Hoagy Carmichael's Georgia -- over and over. I've been waiting 33 years for a chance to thank the first Canadian I ever met for her magnificent rudeness - -- not to mention her astonishing command of invective - -- and now I've finally got it done. If there's ever anything I can do for you, Ms. Mitchell, I am yours to command. Spider Robinson's CD Belaboring the Obvious, featuring original music and readings, is available at http://www.spiderrobinson.com; his story collection By Any Other Name has just been published by Baen Books. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:09:16 EST From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Joni moment Who would uh thunk it? But I was in Duane Reade drugstore on 86th and Lex, NYC, buying my bottle of water, and who do I hear on the MUSAK but JM herself, and not just "Help Me" JM or "Big Yellow Taxi" JM or even "Both Sides Now" JM, but "EDITH AND THE KINGPIN" JM! You don't hear that very often on your elevator music playlist. So I stood among the batteries and the greeting cards listening to the end. What incredibly beautiful music! Maybe it was some kind of weird prefigurement of the sight later that night of Joni at the Grammies. She seemed as out of place as "Edith and the Kingpin" did in Duane Reade. Paul Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:34:31 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Heads up for Cdn listers! For we Canadian listers and those close to the border, the CBC has a pre-Juno Award show this Sun nite @8:00p.m. called Tower of Sound. One of the featured artists is Joni. All I know! Regards, Stephen in Vancouver NP: Alternate Blue- thanks Paz! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:57:53 -0600 From: "Emma Caywood" Subject: Re: FACELIFT (nip here, tuck there...) >I would guess the vast majority of the women who live in Bel >Air and are Joni's age have had plenty of work done. If you've got the >money, why not? I agree. If it looks good on her, why not? My mom got a facelift because she can afford it, and she just got a little done, and she's not even ON tv. More and more people are doing it. It's not a big deal anymore. Emma. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #61 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?