From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #55 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, February 17 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 055 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Subject: Re: Siquomb? [hilary@geko.net.au (Hilary Rhodes)] *My final word on the 'E' woman [RK1THXguy@aol.com] RE: Joni to perform at Grammy Awards? No! ["Deb Messling" ] Re: joni's 80's and 90's albums [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni on another Video [EVRIBUTJON@aol.com] Re: cats & dogs SJC [Alison E ] Re: Neil sings "Woodstock" ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Neil sings "Woodstock" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Neil sings "Woodstock" ["James L. Leonard" ] Calling all HOSL cover art experts [Les Irvin ] Jonatha [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Jonatha [Scott Price ] Re: Jonatha [Don Rowe ] Re: joni's 80's and 90's albums [ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com] Re: cats & dogs SJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] What Would You Do? VLJC [ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com] Re: What Would You Do? VLJC [Alison E ] Re: joni's 80's and 90's albums ["hell" ] Re: cats & dogs SJC ["hell" ] Re: Neil sings "Woodstock" ["hell" ] Re: The tea leaf prophecy. ["hell" ] Catching up! ["Susan Guzzi" ] Re: joni's 80's and 90's albums ["hell" ] I'm back - FTR songbook inquiry [TreyCozy@aol.com] Re: joni's 80's and 90's albums [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Re: joni's 80's and 90's albums [hessj@ix.netcom.com] Re: What Would You Do? VLJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] Englanders and Irelanders [Fonimitchell@aol.com] Re: the Joni train [Seanapper@aol.com] Jonatha VLJC ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Joni Book Offer ["kerry" ] Re: Jonatha [Michael Paz ] Re: cats & dogs SJC [Michael Paz ] Re: joni's 80's and 90's albums ["Patricia O'Connor" ] ethiopia [evian ] joni moment ["Janine Sherman" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #79 - Enya [BRYAN8847@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:44:29 +1100 From: hilary@geko.net.au (Hilary Rhodes) Subject: Subject: Re: Siquomb? Reminds me of an Elizabethan lute song by John Dowland about Queen Elizabeth the Ist. One verse ending "She only queen of love and beauty". Cheers, Hilary http://www.geko.net.au/~hilary/Index.html http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/5014 "If Music be the Food of Love - Logon!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 05:50:24 EST From: RK1THXguy@aol.com Subject: *My final word on the 'E' woman Greetings Mike - In the hopes that I might really 'stir some shit' = here is my final take on the 'E' woman. In your message dated 2/15/01 1:40:16 PM, you write: << The only response to this piece of shit is that you know, in time, she may have as much impact on music as Joni Mitchell. >> * I'm not sure if you are referring to me as a piece of shit, or to my pointed and accurate opinion of Enya? Either way, I respect your opinion. I am everyday, in order that I remain healthy, reduced to a piece of shit - as are we all - BUT - before your 'wild fantasy' that Enya might ever hope to have any lasting impact on music to ever happen - Enya must first begin to actually write and perform some 'music' - not these ridiculously dense, pretentiously ambiguous 'jingles' for the "pastliferegressionin' / angelbelievin' / ShirleyMacLainereadin'" yogurt and wheat grass crowd. (its a shame what happened to a wonderful dancer and fine comedic actress) You also write: << She's only been out there since the mid 80's and already has about 5 or 6 quality albums out. >> * Well - she is certainly 'out there' - but the only thing quality about Enya's albums is the packaging. As an artist and graphic designer I give credit to the packaging - but a turd in pretty paper, no matter how pretty, is still a turd. You also wrote: << If one does take time to go past the beautiful music, they will hear lyrics that do have balls. >> * That's just it - no one with any depth of musical sensibility - can ENDURE the experience of struggling to get past the (I'll be exceedingly charitable and use your term) "beautiful music' - (beautiful maybe if you're a Montovani or Yanni fan). Mike, Enya gets played at my house, my wife really likes her. (see how tolerant I am) I have read the lyrics printed on Enya's CD's for the sole purpose of trying to discover what attracts my wife. If one were to toss out the hopelessly syrupy MUZAK accompaniment - the lyrics would still be very very BAD, trite, and dimensionless juvenile poetry! My god - if Enya really does have something to say - she should take a lesson from Joni and just friggin' say it - spit it out! Wrap it in somethin' palatable and cough it up!! Trying to chew through one of Enya's puffed up confections in a vain attempt to find some substance will have the unavoidable result that too much 'candy' will always have, a massive headache, followed by vomiting or coma - and the net result of 'no nutritional value'! You also wrote: << You have to do a little searching, something you may have a problem with. >> * I have a real problem with searching in an 'empty room' - there just isn't anything in there to find Mike. You also wrote: << Kinda hard to believe someone like you is on THIS list. >> * Well sorry Mike - I'm here - opinionated and lovable as hell. BUT the reason I'm here is because way back in the 60's I discovered this remarkable talent, this magical artist, this poetess, this genuine entity whose name is Joni Mitchell - a women whose spiritual insight and profound understanding of what it is to be human, direct, vulnerable, resilient, and courageous enough to 'tell it like it is' - so touched me, so touched my soul and my mind, so impacted me with her openness, honesty, and depth - that she gave me the enduring hope to believe that the true beauty of the world, of the human soul and psyche is worth 'searching out' and celebrating, both the sweet and the difficult. In this temporal world in which we live, Joni Mitchell is a rich, delicious, eternal fragrance for the soul & mind - Enya is just 'cheap cologne'. This outspoken, controversial, arrogant, 'salty' sonofabitch, 'grumpy old man' is on this list because of Joni! Nice to meet you Mike. Love you too man! OK - there, let me check. Yep, the shit looks sufficiently stirred :-) RK of Stumptown NP: 'Watermark' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:53:30 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Joni to perform at Grammy Awards? No! Presenting will do. I'll be interested to hear what she says. > As you can see, Joni will present, not perform. Sorry. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 06:42:04 -0600 From: Richard Rice Subject: Re: The tea leaf prophecy. Bob, Startling that such a music slut as yourself could find any Joni tune not to your liking. Personally, the Joni song that most grates with me is Ethiopia. Gee, if you think the background nothingness of "Study war no more." over and over is tiring, you should hear my groans with every "Ethiooooopiahhhhh." I do like Dancing Clown tho. I only 'cringe' when I play it around others, since I know just what reaction to expect. Joni is no good at throw away light pop. Her tries are enevitably failures. But since I'm as clueless as she is, I feel like a left footed bretherin. Dancing Clown was made for anyone and everyone who can't dance. A very corn ball song, but Joni is deserving of having a light moment. The Tea Leaf Prophecy carries more weight with me, as I love the narrative of the story. It's the music that falls short for me. I think she was trying for a very moody, oriental sound. She came close, but no go. To hear the sound she was after done well, I recommend the title track from the movie, "The Year of Living Dangerously." Can't recall who did the music, but that opening tune is exactly the haunting oriental quality Tea Leaf was after. (with a more up-tempo beat of course...) Most of my other Joni cringes are cringes no more. Which bodes well for Ethiopia...maybe. In a next life. I had a howl of a good laugh reading the follow reply in an artist forum regarding self expression. I included it here as it seemed apropos. I changed the heading to make it fit the present topic: Joni's music.... "Music is not made by getting all moist and dreamy and just letting your emotions hang out. No one gives a damn about your emotions. They care about their emotions and what they want you to do is titllate them, to excite them, to arouse them. To be able to make other people feel an emotion on cue takes brains, not some gushing, sobbing pot of emotion." Guess Joni sat a little to far on the side of "her" emotions on these ditties. - --Not signing my name... just in case 'you know who' is really on the list, lurking. "HI JONI!!!!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:18:43 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's 80's and 90's albums Evian aka Evian L. Debarge wrote: << I was wondering if anyone jumped on the Joni train with albums that we always argue over -- namely, WTRF, DED, CMIARS, and let's throw TTT in there as well. >> I think we'd be hard pressed to find anyone on this list who first found Joni by any of the albums you mentioned, but I do have a couple of friends that bought TTT as their first. They both loved TTT, and have gone back and purchased most of her other albums. I personally had C&S as the first one that hooked me. and you also wrote: So Evian, how does Faith feel about you and Tim :~) Jimmy P.S. WallyK the *real* birthday fairy didn't give me much info, but I want to wish JMDLer Cindy a HAPPY BIRTHDAY today! I'm not sure who you are, but Bob Muller said that all Cindy's are HOT :~) ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:15:23 EST From: EVRIBUTJON@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on another Video Hi, I don't know if anyone is aware of a new video coming out from Image Entertainment called Tower of Song: An Epic Story Of Canada. It features The Band, Rush, Neil Young, Glenn Gould, Leonard Cohen, Anne Murray and ...Joni Mitchell. I work for a mailorder video company and we just received this info. But there are no song listings etc. I'll keep you posted. John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:27:14 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: cats & dogs SJC don't miss my point, here. i am sure that there are tons of excellent songs, like this neil example, that were written about beloved pets, animals, etc. my point was that "man from mars" was my favorite song on the album, and i always listened to it really loud with headphones, thinking of it as an intense love song. (paz, no beatiality jokes, please.) it just had a certain meaning for me, as a romantic song, which inevitably changed when i found out it was written about her cat. it's a sweet sentiment, it's still a great song and i still love to listen to it. but knowing the song was about a cat just did not enrich the experience of it for me. alison e. in nyc np: joni-song for sharon, on wfuv. i have now given up listening to sonicnet, because i am obsessed with wfuv! - --- JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Then there's this one from Neil Young on his _Havest > Moon_ disc. > -Julius > kate writes: > > I wrote a song that was initially inspired by my > dog. I am never sure > > whether to tell people that. I wonder if a lot of > songwriters have songs > > like that.... Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:41:43 -0500 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Neil sings "Woodstock" Hi, Bob (and JMDLers everywhere!), The bootleg "Winterlong" is a concert recording of Neil Young with Crazy Horse at the Music Hall, Cincinnati, OH on February 25, 1970. "Woodstock" does not appear in the set list, nor on the original bootleg. My guess is that the person on eBay has a copy which contains a Stills-sung version, as filler - perhaps one of the Deja Vu outtakes or an early live version - or is "mistaken" as to the song's inclusion at all. Best, Boston Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:50:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil sings "Woodstock" Thanks Jim, I figured I could coax you out of the shadows with that question! ;~) So is it pretty much a done deal that Neil has never performed Woodstock? The title of this boot is actually (sorry Lori) "Fillmore East-1970" Bob NP: Zucchero, "Miss Mary" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:10:59 -0500 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Neil sings "Woodstock" > Thanks Jim, I figured I could coax you out of the shadows with that question! ;~) > I lurk, therefore I am. :-) > So is it pretty much a done deal that Neil has never performed Woodstock? > I'd have to say "yes," unfortunately. > The title of this boot is actually (sorry Lori) "Fillmore East-1970" > Neil and Crazy Horse played early and late shows on March 6 and 7, 1970 at the Fillmore East. None of the sets included "Woodstock." (You gotta watch those eBay-ers.) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:21:06 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Calling all HOSL cover art experts Joniphiles - Here's your opportunity to get a credit in a magazine. Any one who can help please contact Toby directly at Les >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:05:52 +0800 >Subject: Help Me! >From: Toby Manning > >Hi there, I have no idea if you can or would want to help, but it's worth >trying! I am writing an article for the UK mag Q (pretty much our biggest >music title) on The Hissing Of Summer Lawns - we're doing a whole issue on >cover art. > >So I'm trying to track people down who know about this. Had a hunch that >either you yourself do, or you will know someone on the discussion list who >is an authority upon it. Might anyone even know how to get a hold of some of >the other people involved, given that Ms Mitchell has declined to be >interviewed. I'm thinking Henry Lewy, John Guerin, etc... the design company >involved?? > >Can you help me? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:35:21 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Jonatha It's no secret that many list members are huge fans of Jonatha Brooke. I found this from a review that is on Amazon: Someone cloned Joni Mitchell & gave her an electric guitar!, April 27, 1998 High compliment, indeed. I urge those who haven't given her a listen to do so. You won't regret it. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:54:01 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Jonatha At 12:35 PM 2/16/01, Jerry Notaro wrote about Jonatha Brooke: >I found this from a review that is on Amazon: >Someone cloned Joni Mitchell & gave her an electric >guitar!, April 27, 1998 If Jo is the "next Joni Mitchell" then the material on her latest album "Steady Pull" must be her version of "Dog Eat Dog," and the 3-extra-track-Borders-only CDs analogous to the BSN-LE fiasco. Scott P.S. Jonatha toyed with a Parker Fly and a VG-8 for a very short time but has discarded them and has always relied on acoustic guitars. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:47:50 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Jonatha Oh boy ... I feel like the Christian on deck at the Circus Maximus jumping into this one ... but the recent "clone of Joni Mitchell" comment is just "all I can stands", to quote the famous cartoon philosopher. Johnatha Brooke might be the clone of Janis Ian ... might be the genetically re-engineered Claudine Longet ... could quite possibly be a recombinanant biotech mixture of Mary Travers & Paul Williams ... but a clone of Joni Mitchell??? Not then, not now, not ever. To my ear and lyrical sensibility, and in my singular and uniquely heterosexural, white, male viewpoint; Jonatha Brooke is just another mid-90's 'Vague Suzannah' -- as Morrissey once put it. Every CD of her's I've ever purchased now graces the shelves of my local used record shop. Sorry folks -- I'm just missin' the religion here. Man, have I been contrary recently, or what? Must be the water! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:08:28 EST From: ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's 80's and 90's albums Evian Wrote: I was wondering if anyone jumped on the Joni train with albums that we always argue over -- namely, WTRF, DED, CMIARS, and let's throw TTT in there as well. Coyote Now: I originally jumped on Joni's train with MOA. I fell in love with that 8track and backed up just one to C&S. Bought everything she did from there through Mingus. Then I stopped. In fact, I threw Mingus out or sold it at a garage sale or something. She lost me. It just didn't mesh with my then affection for Haircut 100, Retha, Stones, Duran and other such 1980s *edgy* stuff to which I was swooning. One day, about 1988 or so, I was listening to *The Wave* our then brand new local jazz/new age/light rock/whatever station here in LA. They announced the song just played was by Joni Mitchell. I had totally lost touch with her and was actually surprised she was still recordin. I actually liked the song. I called the station and they told me it was Ethiopia, from her 1985 album, DED. I bought DED the next day and till today it remains my favorite. I've stayed with Joni since then, buying everything as it was released. In fact, I even bought all the old stuff, but remain most loyal to the "middle period." So, I guess I jumped back on Joni's train through DED. No regrets, Coyote Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:12:06 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: cats & dogs SJC Your point is well-taken, Ali. I still haven't warmed to "Man From Mars," partially because of the realization that it is about a feline and also because I don't feel it's anywhere near Joni's best work ("big boo hoo"?). I remember the backlash in the olden daze when people found out that Michael Martin's "Wildfire," heretofore considered a tender love song, was actually about a horse. Similarly, many were perplexed to find out that Neil Young's ballad "Long May You Run" is about an old car he once owned. I actually like that one better based on that understanding. - -Julius np: Tracy Chapman, _Telling Stories_ alison in NYC writes: <> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:40:17 EST From: ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: What Would You Do? VLJC OK, so I start casually dating this guy a few months ago. He is an American who now splits his time equally between Germany and LA due to his work. Naturally, most of our *while he's in Germany* communication is through email. I am thinking he is a real cool guy. A smart, funny, athletic head-turner that plays some mean keyboards. Then I get this in my email box today: "I must admit that I really don't know too much about Joanie Mitchell. Uh, "This land is your land"? I'm a closet ABBA boy myself. I also like k.d. lang's earlier works (up to ca. 1996)." Note to self: Next time you date someone, have the music conversation first. Yikes! He even met my parents. With regrets, Coyote Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:12:21 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: What Would You Do? VLJC in my experience with this type of situation, rick, it has always been a good idea to DUMP HIS ASS! :~P welcome back, you foxy thing, you! alison e. in nyc - --- ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com wrote: I also like k.d. > lang's earlier works (up to ca. 1996)." although, this might save him from the chopping block, i guess... Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 11:10:25 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: joni's 80's and 90's albums > Evian aka Evian L. Debarge wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone jumped on the Joni train with albums that we > always argue over -- namely, WTRF, DED, CMIARS, and let's throw TTT in > there as well. To which Jimmy replied: > I think we'd be hard pressed to find anyone on this list who first found Joni > by any of the albums you mentioned, but I do have a couple of friends that > bought TTT as their first. They both loved TTT, and have gone back and > purchased most of her other albums. I personally had C&S as the first one > that hooked me. Well, let me be the first then! I started my "obsession" with Joni when I was 17, back in 1983, with WTRF. I went to stay with my sister for a week, and she had a copy of it on LP. She played it one evening while we were having dinner, and I absolutely loved it. When I got back home, I found my own copy, and the rest is history. From memory, I think Shadows and Light (on cassette) was next, then Miles of Aisles. This is not because I necessarily wanted these next, but in a small town in NZ, that's all there was! It wasn't until I moved to the big city that I completed my collection. I did hear Blue much sooner, because my sister also had a copy of it, and left it with me when she went overseas for a couple of years, but it was a while before I found my own copy. In any event, I found Joni through WTRF, and for that reason alone, it remains one of my favourites! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 11:15:46 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: cats & dogs SJC Alison wrote: > don't miss my point, here. i am sure that there are > tons of excellent songs, like this neil example, that > were written about beloved pets, animals, etc. my > point was that "man from mars" was my favorite song on > the album, and i always listened to it really loud > with headphones, thinking of it as an intense love > song. (paz, no beatiality jokes, please.) > it just had a certain meaning for me, as a romantic > song, which inevitably changed when i found out it was > written about her cat. it's a sweet sentiment, it's > still a great song and i still love to listen to it. > but knowing the song was about a cat just did not > enrich the experience of it for me. I have to agree here. Finding out that Man From Mars is about a cat spoilt it for me too. I guess, as much as I love my cat, I don't really like songs about animals! But in saying that, I do like knowing what songs are about, so I have to take the good with the bad. I'd probably still like several songs (not just Joni) if I didn't know what they were about - I'd probably also like Jackson Browne a little more, too! Hell - who things Neil's "Old King" is a silly song, and always skips it when playing Harvest Moon! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 11:19:08 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Neil sings "Woodstock" Bob wrote: > So is it pretty much a done deal that Neil has never performed Woodstock? I have no idea if Neil has ever performed Woodstock, but I don't think it's that much of a stetch to imagine, despite everyone saying the opposite! He was a member of CSNY, who released the song as a single, so he has certainly "sung" it, just not solo. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find he's performed it somewhere? Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 11:22:36 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: The tea leaf prophecy. "Anonymous" ;o) wrote: > Startling that such a music slut as yourself could find any Joni tune > not to your liking. Personally, the Joni song that most grates with me > is Ethiopia. Gee, if you think the background nothingness of "Study war > no more." over and over is tiring, you should hear my groans with every > "Ethiooooopiahhhhh." I do like Dancing Clown tho. I don't like Ethiopia either. I know it's a lot of people's favourite from DED, but I just don't like it. I'd rather listen to Dancing Clown, Lead Balloon or Smokin' - all of which I like a lot, so there! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:29:27 -0800 From: "Susan Guzzi" Subject: Catching up! Well it has been quite some time since I have posted. Although I have been lurking. To make a long excuse longer, I have been working my ass off. Unfortunately it doesn't seem it's decreased any! Sorry I missed all the birthdays and get-well wishes to those in need. But I did think of you often and sent positive vibes and good spirited thoughts to all! This merger/buy-out has left me ragged and no richer for it - if you get my drift! Enough on that subject. I enjoyed the thread going fairly recently with some favorite Joni lines, so I hope it's still okay to toss out few, although many of you used some of my faves. Here is one - Out on some border line some mark of in between I lay down golden in time and woke up vanishing The following aren't necessarily my most favorite as stand alone lyrics but are some that come to mind more because of their flow Sometimes it's not the meaning of the words strung together but the flow of the words or music of the words such as: No tongue in the bell and the fishwives yell but they might as well be mute OR Peridots and periwinkles blue medallions Gilded galleons spilled across the ocean floor OR You could have been more than a name on the door on the thirty-third floor in the air OR I'm just living on nerves and feelings With a weak and a lazy mind And coming to peoples parties fumbling deaf dumb and blind. It seems they'd all be great annunciating exercises, as well. Anyway I'm just getting warmed up again. Maybe it's just feeling like winters getting ready to melt away, after all Rev. - the White Sox pitchers and catchers have reported and all amidst "shouldergate." Peace All! Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 11:29:11 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: joni's 80's and 90's albums Evian wrote: > I was wondering if anyone jumped on the Joni train with albums that we > always argue over -- namely, WTRF, DED, CMIARS, and let's throw TTT in > there as well. I need to add to my previous post. Since I found Joni through her later albums, when her voice had lowered a little, and she was doing more electric music, etc. I've found it more difficult to "love" her earlier work. I'm not saying I don't like it, but STAS, Clouds and LOTC get played far less often than anything from HOSL onwards (Blue is an exception, obviously). Sometimes the very high, clear soprano she had back then really gets on my nerves! Definitely getting the asbestos jumpsuit on, and considering flame-proofing the house - although the amount of rain we've had this week should be protection enough. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:42:59 EST From: TreyCozy@aol.com Subject: I'm back - FTR songbook inquiry Hello all!! I've returned. I'm back in Manhattan doing RENT on Broadway. Yippee. Anyway, I'm thrilled to be back on the Joni list. Ok, now onto the Joni content. I'm still trying to locate the "FOR THE ROSES" songbook. I don't even care to own the book itself as much as I just want to have the PIANO songs (ie. "See You Sometime", "Lesson in Survival", and especially my favorite Joni PIANO song of all time "Judgement of the Moon and Stars"). Don't get me wrong, I'd love to own my own copy, but I know the chances of that are slim. Is there anyone out there that owns it that could send me copies?? Is that legal? Is that couth? I hope I'm not stepping on anyone's toes... Ok, that's all. Amy, are you still out there?? Nice to be back. Hi Marian. Trey NP: Barangrill (FTR is still my pick for #1 Joni album) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:04:32 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's 80's and 90's albums In a message dated 2/16/01 5:53:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Sometimes the very high, clear soprano she had back then really gets on my nerves! >> This suprises me...she had such a beautiful,expressive voice.With me,it's the opposite.Her voice,now,is hard for me to listen to...that's why I only listen to her music from the 60's and 70's. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:14:26 -0500 From: hessj@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Re: joni's 80's and 90's albums Hell, don't put on that flame-retardant jump suit for moi. As an old fart, I have a terrible confession to make: I thought early Joni was impossibly wimpy. I thought she was a nifty-enough person, you understand, coming down from Canada to grace us, but her music and her voice left me cold. Very cold. Call me a slow learner, I suppose. Cheerz, Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, both of them glad to be open to second opinions every now and again hell wrote: Sometimes the very high, clear soprano she had back then really gets on my nerves! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:55:26 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: What Would You Do? VLJC Coyote: Joni neophytes I can handle (might be fun for you to be up all night acclimating this strapping buck with your Siquomb reel-to-reels, if he's all that!), but the closet ABBA thing is beyond the pale. Remember: the ocean is vast, and its fish are abundant...you'd better shop around. :-) Also, you might want to rethink the "experience in love and music preferred, but will accept a young trainee" text in your "personals" ad. Great to have you back on the list, Rick. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:24:03 EST From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Englanders and Irelanders Foni Mitchell WILL be playing when Ashara visits. Venue t.b.c. All welcome, wherever. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:33:30 EST From: Seanapper@aol.com Subject: Re: the Joni train In a message dated 2/16/01, evian writes: > I > was wondering if anyone jumped on the Joni train with albums that we > always argue over -- namely, WTRF, DED, CMIARS, and let's throw TTT in > there as well. I jumped on the Joni train with two of these albums. The first time I ever really listened to a Joni song was in 87 or 88. I was living in Austin at the time, and my ex and I were breaking up. Prior to breaking up, we had planned a trip to San Diego. The plane tickets must have been nonrefundable, because we went anyway. In the meantime, he decided to move to San Diego, and called ahead to a friend there who found a cottage for him to rent. So we both went there, and I helped clean and fix up the cottage he was going to move into. (This was NOT a fun vacation.) Anyway, I was sitting on a milk crate in the middle of this cottage, alone, listening to the radio. A song caught my attention and spoke to me. When the dj came on later to announce the set he had just played, I wrote down "Dog Eat Dog" by Joni Mitchell. I don't remember which song it was, but it was from that album. When I got back to Austin, I immediately went out in search of DED. I couldn't find it, so I bought CMIARS. Neil in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:58:43 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Jonatha VLJC Scott wrote "If Jo is the "next Joni Mitchell" then the material on her latest album "Steady Pull" must be her version of "Dog Eat Dog," and the 3-extra-track-Borders-only CDs analogous to the BSN-LE fiasco." WOW! Do you really feel as though "Steady Pull" is THAT musically overblown??? Personally, I love the sound and overall feel of the record. If sh'd gone ahead and made "Ten Cent Wings" pt.2, I think I'd really feel jipped, but I welcome the expansion of sound that's happened with Jonatha. Plus, to have heard her do stripped down versions of a few of the new tunes @ Borders, it's quite plain that the changes are subtle. Jonatha has been playing with dissonant harmonics since the early days, but uses it as a tool to keep you listening and on your toes. Keep trying - - "Steady Pull" will pull through - I guarentee it! - -Chris NP: "Wild Night" - N'degeocello and Mellencamp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:36:27 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni Book Offer Just wondering if there is anyone out there who would like a copy of Stacey Luftig's "Joni Companion" book, since I happen to have an extra copy. A co-worker gave it to me for Christmas after I had commented that her son's birthday was the same as Joni's. (yes, I'm a little late in taking care of this!) Anyway, if you would like the book and possibly have something to trade (or not), just e-mail me and let me know. I guess I'll go with the most creative offer :>) Kerry NP - Shona Laing, "The Buller to the Grey" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:35:35 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonatha Jerry The pin head reviewers and columnists think every chick singer since 1980 is Joni Mitchell. I am sure that rubs them all the wrong way (even tho there is a compliment in there somewhere) and I know it has to rub old Joan. Michael NP-A Case of You-pine knob 83 on 2/16/01 9:35 AM, Jerry Notaro at notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu wrote: > It's no secret that many list members are huge fans of Jonatha Brooke. I > found this from a review that is on Amazon: > > Someone cloned Joni Mitchell & gave her an electric guitar!, April 27, > 1998 > > High compliment, indeed. > I urge those who haven't given her a listen to do so. You won't regret > it. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:39:58 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: cats & dogs SJC I sang this at JoniFest2000Topsfield and sang it as Mom from Mars and it has a whole new meaning for me. I do love both of HER versions as well and I know a certain pianist that played it at New Orleans Paz Fest and blew the roof off of both my house and Howlin Wolf (Hi Steve!) Paz NP-Wild Things Run Fast-PK83 on 2/16/01 1:12 PM, JRMCo1@aol.com at JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Your point is well-taken, Ali. I still haven't warmed to "Man From Mars," > partially because of the realization that it is about a feline and also > because I don't feel it's anywhere near Joni's best work ("big boo hoo"?). I > remember the backlash in the olden daze when people found out that Michael > Martin's "Wildfire," heretofore considered a tender love song, was actually > about a horse. Similarly, many were perplexed to find out that Neil Young's > ballad "Long May You Run" is about an old car he once owned. I actually like > that one better based on that understanding. > > -Julius > np: Tracy Chapman, _Telling Stories_ > > alison in NYC writes: > < tons of excellent songs, like this neil example, that > were written about beloved pets, animals, etc. my > point was that "man from mars" was my favorite song on > the album, and i always listened to it really loud > with headphones, thinking of it as an intense love > song.>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 20:49:56 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: joni's 80's and 90's albums - ----- Original Message ----- From: hell > Since I found Joni through her later > albums, when her voice had lowered a little, and she was doing more electric > music, etc. I've found it more difficult to "love" her earlier work. I'm > not saying I don't like it, but STAS, Clouds and LOTC get played far less > often than anything from HOSL onwards (Blue is an exception, obviously). > Sometimes the very high, clear soprano she had back then really gets on my > nerves! I jumped on the Joni train in 1968 when I was 10 years old (man I'm old!) and that very, high soprano really gets on my nerves too! STAS I still like alot, but I find LOTC and Clouds unlistenable, I consistently skip "My Old Man" on Blue (donning asbestos suit) and "Banquet" on FTR. I like her voice the best on HOSL. Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:36:55 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: I'm back - FTR songbook inquiry Hi Trey- One beautiful lister sent me the FTR book as a gift (HELLO JULIAN!!!!!) and I would be more than happy to the do the deed. What colour paper would you like?? Welcome back bro and good luck with the show (or should I say break a leg!). Peace Michael NP-Banquet (the ROCK version) on 2/16/01 2:42 PM, TreyCozy@aol.com at TreyCozy@aol.com wrote: > Hello all!! I've returned. I'm back in Manhattan doing RENT on Broadway. > Yippee. Anyway, I'm thrilled to be back on the Joni list. Ok, now onto the > Joni content. > > I'm still trying to locate the "FOR THE ROSES" songbook. I don't even care > to own the book itself as much as I just want to have the PIANO songs (ie. > "See You Sometime", "Lesson in Survival", and especially my favorite Joni > PIANO song of all time "Judgement of the Moon and Stars"). Don't get me > wrong, I'd love to own my own copy, but I know the chances of that are slim. > Is there anyone out there that owns it that could send me copies?? Is that > legal? Is that couth? I hope I'm not stepping on anyone's toes... > > Ok, that's all. Amy, are you still out there?? Nice to be back. Hi Marian. > > Trey > NP: Barangrill (FTR is still my pick for #1 Joni album) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:39:19 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Englanders and Irelanders on 2/16/01 4:24 PM, Fonimitchell@aol.com at Fonimitchell@aol.com wrote: > Foni Mitchell WILL be playing when Ashara visits. Venue t.b.c. All welcome, > wherever. > Hey Ashara I JUST thought of what you could do for me....... TAKE ME WITH YOU AND SEND SAL TO NEW ORLEANS!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I wanna geaux!!! Yippie, Michael (still feeling lucky) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:08:33 -0600 From: evian Subject: ethiopia Sister Hell wrote: > I don't like Ethiopia either. I know it's a lot of people's favourite from > DED, but I just don't like it. I'd rather listen to Dancing Clown, Lead > Balloon or Smokin' - all of which I like a lot, so there! > > Oh God, me too!!! Sorry, but as much as I love DED, I simply can't stand Ethiopia -- ugh, never have, never will. I thought it was just me. Also, more blasphemy -- I NEVER listen to STAS.... never... Oh Lord, I talk too loose.... Evian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:07:50 -0500 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: joni moment Joni moment #247.5 My daughter's high school jazz band (alto sax) got tickets to a jazz concert tonight at Gettysburg College. It was the college jazz band with an outstanding guest female vocalist. She belts out a Gershwin medley and starts to introduce her next number by saying it was written by Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross. I'm thinking "no way" and damn if she didn't burst into "Twisted". Of course, it made my night. Thanks to all of the Seattle- Vancouver jmdler's for the quick and informative responses. I'm gonna be studying the FTR album cover, so that when I am out there I'll know what I'm looking for. Looking forward to a looong weekend w/Prez Day off on Monday. Janine in Gettysburg Sherman@netrax.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:15:48 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #79 - Enya Well, I'll jump in the Enya debate and give her a thumb's up. Though I haven't kept up with her last couple of efforts, I can endorse 'Watermark' in particular. I expect she gets strong support from her producers and co-writers but I think her work holds up pretty well and compares very favorably to the more forgettable 'new age' artists she is often grouped with. Joni has been given (by someone who apparently knows?) a 10 to 1 chance of winning the best female pop Grammy. But I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see her win. Very happy she's going to be a presenter. While I'm at it, if anyone has time, can you send me instructions on how to use this damned list? Someone mentioned posting guidelines recently, and I could use a reminder. Thanks. NP: RLJ - Pirates Bryan ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #55 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?