From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #53 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, February 16 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 053 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: ENYA - Yikes!! Help! Run!!! ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy [Alison E ] Kakki Quotes ["william" ] The Tea Leaf Prophecy ["c Karma" ] Eddi Reader and waking up to Joni [Gertus@aol.com] Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy ["Emma Caywood" ] Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy ["Stephen Epstein" ] Joni at the dentist [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: The Tea Leaf Prophecy [Don Rowe ] ENYA !?! [RK1THXguy@aol.com] Joni's Grammy biography ["c Karma" ] re: Joni's Grammy bio URL ["c Karma" ] Re: ENYA !?! [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni's Grammy biography [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: ENYA !?! [Rusty10113@aol.com] Joni Pictures [BachelorNumero2@aol.com] enya face [jan gyn ] Re: Joni at the dentist [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni's Grammy biography ["blonde in the bleachers" ] Re: Joni at the dentist [jan gyn ] Joni to perform at Grammy Awards? [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: ENYA !?! ["cassy" ] Re: ENYA !?! ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Joni to perform at Grammy Awards? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni to perform at Grammy Awards? No! [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: ENYA !?! [dsk ] your better side ["Kate Bennett" ] Don Rowe's dirty laundry [evian ] Subject: Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy [Catherine McKay ] Re: ENYA !?! [Catherine McKay ] What about Nana Mouskouri? (sp?) ["C.A. Starkey" ] Re: Valentine's Day [Michael Paz ] Re: Coyote Returns from The Midway [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni Pictures [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:50:03 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: ENYA - Yikes!! Help! Run!!! RK said:- > You obviously have tremendous taste in female singer songwriters - you ARE on > the Joni list after all. SO - what the hell is this Enya thing anyhow??!? > > I put Enya, Yanni, and John Tesh in the same category - pretentious & BORING! Enya's music might not float my boat personally, but she has a *huge* following over here in the UK who might beg to differ... - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:10:45 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Coyote Returns from The Midway In a message dated 2/15/01 2:55:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com writes: << Hello to all my pals on the JMDL: OK, I'm back, what did I miss since October? Coyote Rick >> In the words of the great Evian " Well slap my ass, and call me Judy ", Welcome back Rick! We've missed you soooo much. Now we can't talk about you on the list anymore ;~)............... truly, it's great to have you back on the JMDL (especially since you seem to go to all the get-togethers) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:19:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy <> That's a tough question! I remember when I bought the LP and transferred it to one side of a 90 minute tape, it went slightly over, so I cut a song. Tea-Leaf was the song I cut, at least Dancin' Clown had a backbeat you can't lose it. But I think lyrically (and perhaps musically), Tea-Leaf has more depth and is not as much of an embarrassment as Dancin' Clown. For me, it's like asking which turd in your yard stinks the least! :~) But seriously, I appreciate your assessment of the lyrics, and I think it's an interesting juxtaposition of the theme of war and how it brought her parents together. I just think the whole thing is unfocused, and the background chant is overused thus making it less effective. Catherine, you make a very interesting point about how Joni is probably re-interpreting Myrtle's words years later. And Paul says: "I have always loved this song - who can say why one song touches one person and not another? " Very true...and I can appreciate that others see beauty in this piece that I don't, it's one of the wonders of Joni's work, and really one of the reasons I brought up the song in the first place. When a Joni song hits me as a real stinker, I feel the need to reach out and see what others can bring to it... doesn't mean I LIKE it any better, but I can APPRECIATE it more! Thanks, guys! Bob NP: Elvis C., "The Great Unknown" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:29:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Neil sings "Woodstock" Earlier this week while doing some research on covers, I saw where Neil Young did a live performance of Woodstock on a bootleg called "Winterlong". Well, lo & behold, this boot has popped up on E-bay, so I put a bid in on it. My question to you Rust-listers out there, is this available through trade? Typically these boots go for pretty high dollars on E-bay. While I want the track, I'm not going to be bidding very high to get it. Just wondering if anyone already has this, or if they have the connections to get it... Thanks, Bob NP: Elvis, "Good Year For For The Roses" (find the hidden Joni title!) ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:33:20 EST From: Mauski4648@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #52 In einer Nachricht vom 15.02.2001 8:26:06 Uhr schreibt les@jmdl.com: << CJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy >> Thank you, Bob, for asking that question..Karin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:39:42 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy > > <<"Sleep little darlin'! > > This is your happy home > > Hiroshima cannot be pardoned! > > Don't have kids when you get grown > > Because this world is shattered>> > > > > This section of the verse caught my ear...I wonder > > if this is the sort of thing that Joni constantly > > got from her Mom? If so, it would have made her > > pregnancy that much more difficult to deal with. From Musician Magazine, 1988 (Thanks to JMDL.com's great search engine): "My mother's maiden name was Myrtle McKee," she explained. "'The Tea Leaf Prophecy' is based up to a certain point on my parents' courtship. I mean, I use it as a vehicle for other statements at the end, because I would then be the child, and she never exactly said those words to me." Joni laughed. "Although I was such a pain in the butt she might as well have. What happened was, during World War II my mother was working in a bank. Most of the available men had shipped out, so there were only kids, old men and cops left. She and a girlfriend went to this tea room in the first-class hotel in Regina, Saskatchewan. They had high tea there, from the English tradition. At the end the gypsy read her tea leaves. She said, 'You will be married within the month, you will have a child within the year, and you will die a long and agonizing death.' I didn't put that last one in the song. My mother said, 'Well, that's ridiculous. Look at this town, there's no one to pick from and I'm not going with anybody!' Two weeks later she met my father, he had two weeks' leave, they got married in that short space of time and I was born within a year. So now she's a real scourer! No germs are going to get her, she's not having the third one come true!" That explains Mitchell's description in 1972's "Let the Wind Carry Me": "Mama she believes in cleaning." "Yeah," Joni smiled. "She's unbelievably healthy. But the odds on it were so freaky that I don't blame her for being psyched out. I sent her the tape and she said, 'Is that about Pop and I?' I said, 'Part of it is.' She didn't really express anything about it. With 'Let the Wind Carry Me' she said, 'Oh, you're not going to start taking pot shots at me up there, are you?' She didn't like that one very much." Mitchell laughed, and then sighed. "Writers are a cruel lot, aren't they? They just raid life." Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:33:26 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joniart for my part I'd say 'great idea mark!' and I'll be happy to grab them and put them up in the collection in thumbnail... I haven't received any responses indicating any more jpegs of Joni's work. could it be that I've already found all there are? I hope people who have the mendel book will post some scans of stuff I don't have yet so we can make it more complete. right now it looks like this is it. - -- On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:40:19 Mark or Travis wrote: >I noticed one of the photo pieces from Night Ride Home in Pat's >collection. Has anyone scanned all of those that came in the special >edition of NRH & posted them? I have the special edition and the four >pieces (one is the NRH cover) and would be willing to scan them & post >them on the Onelist site if anyone is interested. They're really >quite beautiful. >Mark in Seattle Who needs Cupid? Matchmaker.com is the place to meet somebody. FREE Two-week Trial Membership at http://www.matchmaker.com/home?rs=200015 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:01:21 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy But I think lyrically (and perhaps musically), Tea-Leaf has more depth and is not as much of an embarrassment as Dancin' Clown. > > For me, it's like asking which turd in your yard stinks the least! :~) LOL! > > Catherine, you make a very interesting point about how Joni is probably re-interpreting Myrtle's words years later. I think there is always a danger of interpreting Joni's songs as strictly autobiographical. The story line for this one may have come from her parents but not necessarily all the details. After all, she changes the heroine from Myrtle McKee to Molly McGee. Maybe kind of obvious to those of us in the know, but an alteration, nevertheless. Thanks for the laugh, Bob. Mark in Seattle home from work with a nasty cold. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:25:19 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy <> Glad I make you chuckle on your sick day, Mark...and while I agree with you about attributing Joni's songs to autobiography, who is THIS one about, etc, she puts a pretty thin veil over the lyrics here. As I alluded to earlier, it reminds me of the clunkiness of "No Apologies", where she starts out with a very specific intention, the assault of the Vietnamese girl, and then sidestreets it with lawyers, loan sharks, Juan, Freddy and all that. It's an awkward transition from the specific to the general. Ironically, I think Joni is much more successful in sending a broader image when she stays with a specific image. Like in "Judgement", by sticking to her agenda of writing a "pep talk" for Beethoven, she gives the song a universality that we all can relate to. She's cheering all of us on. But in Tea-Leaf, I don't find the segue as successful. Don't mean to beat the horse, just enjoying the dialogue... Bob NP: Elvis C., "Town Where Time Stood Still" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:31:14 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy bob SHAMEFULLY wrote: > But I think lyrically (and perhaps musically), > Tea-Leaf has more depth > and is not as much of an embarrassment as Dancin' > Clown. > > For me, it's like asking which turd in your yard > stinks the least! > :~) well, my god, bob, tell me how you really feel. i happen to LOVE the Tea-Leaf Prophecy, call me sensitive, but i'm real upset that you called it a turd. there is quite a diffence between your least favorite joni song, and an "embarrassment" no? i hate to get into these lyrical analyses, i had no idea it was about her mother, etc. it's nice to know, but it doesn't really enrich my listening experience. (similarly, when i found out that man from mars was about her cat. i'm still pissed off about that one.) it's just a real purdy tune, bob. so lay down your arms, and where the hell is don/larry/chris when i need him anyway? > Mark in Seattle > home from work with a nasty cold. hope you feel better soon, mark. take care, alison e. in nyc Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:08:58 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Kakki Quotes Kakki quoted Shakespeare, Freud, Richter and sweetly in English she said please have this, a little quote for instant bliss. Loved the assembly. I've often quoted a Joni line or verse in company to be asked, Ooh who's that, Shakespeare? Just yesterday, we were talking about relationshits and VD the 14th Feb, I put on my Geilgud persona and said, Love the strongest poison and medicine of all. Oh listen to Willy Shake. You're not wrong I replied. Though I did have to assert that it wasn't Shakey but Joni. I continued with The slings and arrows of outrageous romance. Confused looks all round. If you care don't let them know, don't give yourself away. Willy the Shake, I borrowed that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:16:53 From: "c Karma" Subject: The Tea Leaf Prophecy A few things come to my mind when hearing this. First is the the drum sounds, the Thomas Dolby (sounds like war?) blasts that are onmipresent. I often wondered if the acrimony that accompanied the production of "Dog Eat Dog" didn't provide subtext for choosing to recall that sound to support the lyrical wartime/domestic battle imagery. The second is the damage to my Americentric ego upon hearing the phrases, "Sleep little darling, this is your happy home. Hiroshima cannot be pardoned, don't have kids when you get grown. Because this world is shattered, The wise are mourning, The fools are joking. Oh, what does it matter? The wash needs ironing and the fire needs stoking." While I wasn't alive when the event occured, I think that most US citizens, and subsequent generations of same rarely considered how the rest of the residents of this planet felt upon the advent of the Nuclear Era. Being a late boomer, I only caught the end of the "Duck and Cover" drills, but it was still evident that many people even in the US felt helpless, diminished and demoralized by this spectre. The third is the foreshadowing I see in the repeated line, "She says 'I'm leaving here' but she don't go" to these in "Sunny Sunday": "Then she points a pistol through the door, and she aims at the streetlight while the freeway hisses. Dogs bark as the gun falls to the floor. The streetlight's still burning, she always misses. But the day she hits that's the day she'll leave. That one small victory, that's all she needs!" If there's any first person to be found in "Sunny Sunday", perhaps Joni is letting us know the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. History, though indicates something different. CC "But it passes like the summer, I'm a wild seed again. Let the wind carry me." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:20:54 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Eddi Reader and waking up to Joni I just caught part of an interview with Eddi Reader (ex Fairground Attraction) on BBC Radio 4 this morning. She was being asked how she coped with her career and bringing up her 2 sons and she revealed that her brother, who is also a singer-songwriter, is a great help and often baby-sits. She said that he is much better at looking after the kids than she is herself - for instance, he wakes them up in the morning by playing Joni Mitchell's Blue whereas she just shouts at them to get up! Isn't that just the perfect way to be woken up in the morning (not the shouting method) and why has it never happened to me? Eddi also mentioned her friendship with the late Kirsty MacColl who was also a divorced mother in similar circumstances. I believe Eddi subscribed to this list for a while a few years ago. Maybe she still lurks when she can find the time. If so, I enjoyed the songs I heard you play this morning, Eddi. Jacky PS Eddi is appearing in New York with Jimmy Page on 23rd and 24th Feb. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:32:21 -0600 From: "Emma Caywood" Subject: Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy alison e. in nyc: >(similarly, when i found out that man from mars was >about her cat. i'm still pissed off about that one.) Oh, see, i LOVE knowing that. I think it takes a tune that could be a totally generic love song (well, okay, generic for JONI) and points out that the love for a cat can be so strong that the lyrics suggest that the cat is a lover rather than a cat. I think that it really enriches the song. I mean, imagine what you would think about Judgement if she hadn't pointed out it was about Beethoven. Or does Amelia being about Amelia Earhart it less universal? I think knowing what she was thinking about when she wrote it only enhanses our understanding of the song, yet doesn't refute the other meaning we have in our heads, because Joni INTENDED us to make it broader. You know? Oh, BTW, I'm not a newbie. I'm a REAL REAL oldbie. From 1996-1997ish. I was ECaywood@juno.com and went by Emily back then. Call me Emma now. I graduated HS and am now a Northwestern theater major. So, hey to all the people I recognize the names of and recognize me. I'm back. :-) Emma. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:48:17 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy > Oh, BTW, I'm not a newbie. I'm a REAL REAL oldbie. From 1996-1997ish. I was > ECaywood@juno.com and went by Emily back then. Call me Emma now. I graduated > HS and am now a Northwestern theater major. So, hey to all the people I > recognize the names of and recognize me. I'm back. :-) > > Emma. Glad to see you made it! Welcome back, Emma! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:57:27 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy <> Dear sensitive, I'm glad you love it...truly! What is it about it that you love? Do this test...see how much of the melody of the song you can hum to yourself when it's not playing. I find myself wandering to "Come In From The Cold", which is a much stronger song melodically, or "Beat of Black Wings", which is one of the best things she's ever done. No matter how hard I try, nothing from Tea-Leaf sticks for me. Sorry, I'm sticking to my guns...more turdy than purdy... Bob, hanging his head in shame if it makes you feel better...;~) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:22:48 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy hello bros and sistahs!!! here i am in good old canada, home of the funny money, maple syrup and gorgeous mustachioed lumberjacks. for the last 8 days i have been the guest of the most fabulous host in the solar system: mr stephen epstein, fellow joni listah and chef extraordinaire. can you imagine a more saintly person than he who would host wallyK for two whole weeks?!?!?!? boy, what a task! i am completely and hopelessly in love with canada!!!! this is my first visit and i pray it won't be the last. it is so amazing to think that i am in the same country as so many dear friends [hi mags!!!!] and yet so far that i can see them! for the time being i won't bore you with my tales of canada -- i'll be writing about my visit when i return to argentina and summer. i only want to say hello and i miss you. now behave well and pay attention to my adorable deputy birthday fairy. if you only knew the wand he's packing!!! wallyK, canada crazy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:37:50 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Joni at the dentist Thorry if I thound funny, but I duth got back from the dentith and the novocain hathn't worn off yet :~) I had two hours of dental work done this morning, and I decided to bring my walkman with me. I had a tape of random Joni songs which I listened to. I was really concentrating on her music to keep my mind off that horrible drilling sound. Would you believe as he was injecting the novocain, "Empty,Try Another" played ? LOL it's the truth. I thought "shit, those needles better not be empty". I also kept thinking about the other Joni songs as the dentist drilled away. In "Everything for Nothing", she sings about the wooly little lawyers and *grinding their teeth*. In "The Reoccurring Dream", I picked out ........More full*filling* and less frustrating. The major disappointment was when one of my favorite softer Joni songs "Two Grey Rooms" was overpowered by the noise of the drill. He also moved my headsets back slightly during "Refuge of The Roads" so I could hear him telling me when to tap my teeth several times. Grrrrrrr. I wanted to tell him NOT YET, "Refuge of the Roads" is playing. The cool thing was when he was finished and my headsets were around my neck with the walkman still blaring, he said "Is that Joni Mitchell you're listening to?" His assistant guessed Carole King. What a cool dentist (and cute too) :~) So if any of you have to get your teeth worked on or cleaned. TAKE JONI WITH YOU!!! Hugth and kitheth, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:50:19 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: The Tea Leaf Prophecy Well, like most of the material on DED, I think the focus was the current socio-political climate of the day. The Hiroshima line isn't so much about the bombing itself, per se, as it is an admonition and a warning against the hawkish rhetoric of the Regan years, when "limited nuclear wars" were pronounced "winnable" -- for example. Which, now that I think about it, has an eerie resonance considering the current US Administration. Perhpas we should petition Joni to perform the song before the Senate Armed Services Committee as it debates the snipe hunting for an anti-ballistic missle shield? Oh God, I've been here long enough to know better than to post something like this, but here goes ... DUCK -- AND COVER! Don Rowe ;-) ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:43:01 EST From: RK1THXguy@aol.com Subject: ENYA !?! In a message dated 2/15/01 2:49:24 AM, chris@secure-si.co.uk writes: << Enya's music might not float my boat personally, but she has a *huge* following >> So does Brittany Spears - but that doesn't make it quality music. Neither Spears nor Enya will ever create an evolving maturing body of music with a fascinating variety of tempo complexities, elevated chordal textures, involving melody lines, and intelligent meaningful topical lyrics, written and played by an inspired and talented artist, joined by a broad spectrum of brilliant musicians - a body of work, the worth and pertinence of which increases year by year - a body of work that, when taken as a whole, is praised by the creator's peers for it's permanence and global impact on the creative medium known as music, and which group of peers, made up of highly respected individuals from widely diverse musical backgrounds, celebrate the timeless influence of this work on their chosen artform - a body of work like, say, well, like JONI's!! I realize Enya is BIG with the 'aroma therapy & crystals' crowd - but really, how many times can she rewrite the 'same tired song' and ever be considered a serious contributing artist?! It's like pretending that Kenny G (who also has a 'huge' following) is a 'real' jazz musician. I fully realize that this is my humble and wholly subjective opinion, but I was surprised that even a mention of Enya would surface on a list of people who have recognized, and pay tribute to, an artist as magnificent as Joni. Enya is not even in the same universe as Joni, much less in the same league. Again, I realize this is one man's view - but I just don't understand how someone who has had their soul touched by Ms. Mitchell, could even listen to Enya's airy, soulless, substance-less, 'ball-less', drivel - much less 'like' it!?? But hey - who am I to say anything negative about the 'queen of new age'. Now, as all of you Enya fans out there circle for the kill - remember - I recognize your individual worth as a person, embrace you as a beloved fellow human being, and hope all of you reach self-actualization -- I just think Enya SUCKS!!! :-) RK of Stumptown NP: Miles - "Kind of Blue" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:44:23 From: "c Karma" Subject: Joni's Grammy biography I don't know if this link was posted before, but anyone who hasn't should check out the "official" Grammy biography: www.grammy.com/nominee/profiles/7417.html The bio covers a lot of ground particularly in the early years and is a surprisingly succinct and estimable read. I'd love to know who prepared it and/or if Joni's management supplied details. It's also pretty liberal with critical notes too, which these kinds of things are usually reticent to offer. Enjoy. CC "Every picture has its shadows, and it has its source of light." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:52:02 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Joni's Grammy bio URL OK, I tried to use the link I posted but didn't get where it should have taken me. To view the bio, try going to the grammy site home page and follow links to nominees, "M", and "Mitchell, Joni." That should get you there. Sorry folks, I'm an analog mind living in a digital world. CC "She's got all the wrong fuses and splices." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:13:45 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: ENYA !?! - --- RK1THXguy@aol.com wrote: but I > was surprised that even a mention of Enya would > surface on a list of people > who have recognized, and pay tribute to, an artist > as magnificent as Joni. Oh don't be. We're just as chock full of guilty pleasures as we are JM minutae ... if the truth be told. I suppose that I would mortify you to the core if I were to say, for example, that alongside my complete Joni collection (official and un-), you'd also find such "inferior" material as ... "Fresh Horses" Garth Brooks "Saturday Night Fever" -- original soundtrack, and I not only play it, I play it LOUD. "The Visitors" -- Abba 12" single ... remember those? "The Best of Bony M" The Phantom of the Opera (complete London cast on CD & LP, no less) Both Barbara Streisand's Broadway albums The first two Yanni CD's (before the wimpy live orchestra stuff -- all done wih synths, and tasty when in the, how shall I put this, right "frame of mind") The complete Depeche Mode catalog, including some rare 12" singles ... Madonna's "Immaculate Collection." The Clancy Bros. Live at Carnegie Hall. Def Leppard "Pyromania" "Escape" & "Raised on Radio" -- Journey "The Friends of Mr. Cairo" -- Jon & Vangelis "Oxygene" & "Equinox" -- Jean Michel Jarre The complete George Winston "Season" collection. So many, many more, but the point being -- the musical soul is not nourished by Joni Mitchell's output ALONE. Heresey and Inquisition, but there, I've said it. Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:16:07 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Grammy biography Wow, that's a great piece CC, thanks for the mention! Especially loved the closer... "Her remarkable body of work encompasses the changing emotions and concerns of a generation: from idealism to adult responsibilities, while bearing her soul on the traumas of already public relationships. That she does so with insight and melodic flair accounts for a deserved longevity." Bob NP: Elvis, "This House Is Empty Now" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:22:39 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: ENYA !?! Hey, again, more power to ya, but a select few of Enya's stuff is truly brilliant and inspiring and gorgeous... a lot of it is tired, i agree, but the nuggets are worth it! M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:22:32 EST From: BachelorNumero2@aol.com Subject: Joni Pictures hey everyone.......... I would like to know if anyone knows where I can find the photos taken from the 1975 session (pool) for "hissing"........I've seen an outtake from the Rolling Stone issue last year, but other than that, that's all i can find........I think Joni is at her most beautiful in the those pictures.....and they're so funny, because she's totally making a statement with them (the irony that a folk-rock star was posing like a model in a swimming pool, especially hence the title of the album).....i got the joke before I even heard the album or knew nothing about it........... if anyone knows about these pics, let me know........ PHIL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:22:23 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: enya face I sorta don't mind Enya. When you're frolicking in dried flowers and other pot-pourri she's totally there for you. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:32:24 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni at the dentist In a message dated 2/15/01 2:06:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << So if any of you have to get your teeth worked on or cleaned. TAKE JONI WITH YOU!!! Hugth and kitheth, Jimmy >> LOL, you are a wackadoodle Jimmy. don't bite your lip Miss Crump ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:37:55 -0500 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: Joni's Grammy biography The biography of Joni is from an encyclopedia of rock stars, I happened to pick it up in a Border's one day and read about Joni, I am very sure this is where this bio came from, but the its title eludes me, the cover is black however!! :) >From: "c Karma" >Reply-To: "c Karma" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Joni's Grammy biography >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:44:23 > >I don't know if this link was posted before, but anyone who hasn't should >check out the "official" Grammy biography: >www.grammy.com/nominee/profiles/7417.html > >The bio covers a lot of ground particularly in the early years and is a >surprisingly succinct and estimable read. I'd love to know who prepared it >and/or if Joni's management supplied details. It's also pretty liberal >with >critical notes too, which these kinds of things are usually reticent to >offer. > >Enjoy. > >CC > >"Every picture has its shadows, and it has its source of light." -- JM >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:43:24 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: ENYA !?! Hey, what a great list! I have many of those, not to mention such blasphemous titles as... Stevie Nicks, Bella Donna... Pat Benatar, Crimes of Passion, Blondie GH, Toto, etc. etc., what can I say, Im an 80s baby! M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:57:15 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Joni's Grammy biography (now VLJC) I thought this was very interesting, what a year for music! Do you think eminem, britney, christina, and matchbox 20 will hold up to this historical standard? 12th Annual GRAMMY Awards Announced on March 11, 1970 Eligibility Year: Nov. 2, 1968 through Nov. 1, 1969 incl. 1. RECORD OF THE YEAR AQUARIUS/LET THE SUNSHINE IN 5th Dimension A&R Prod: Bones Howe...(Soul City) 2. ALBUM OF THE YEAR BLOOD, SWEAT & TEARS Blood, Sweat & Tears A&R Prod: James Guercio...(Col.) 4. BEST NEW ARTIST OF 1969 CROSBY, STILLS & NASH...(Atl.) 7. BEST ENGINEERED RECORDING ABBEY ROAD (The Beatles) Engrs: Geoff Emerick & Phillip McDonald...(Apple) 9. BEST ALBUM NOTES NASHVILLE SKYLINE (Bob Dylan) Annotator: Johnny Cash...(Col.) 10. BEST CONTEMPORARY VOCAL PERF., FEMALE IS THAT ALL THERE IS (single) Peggy Lee...(Cap.) 11. BEST CONTEMPORARY VOCAL PERF., MALE EVERYBODY'S TALKIN' Harry Nilsson...(U.A.) 12. BEST CONTEMPORARY VOCAL PERFORMANCE BY A GROUP AQUARIUS/LET THE SUNSHINE IN 5th Dimension...(Soul City) 14. BEST CONTEMPORARY INSTRUMENTAL PERF. VARIATIONS ON A THEME BY ERIC SATIE Blood, Sweat & Tears...(Col.) 16. BEST RHYTHM & BLUES VOCAL PERFORMANCE FEMALE SHARE YOUR LOVE WITH ME (Single) Aretha Franklin...(Atl.) 18. BEST RHYTHM & BLUES VOCAL PERF., BY A GROUP OR DUO IT'S YOUR THING The Isley Brothers...(T-Neck) 22. BEST COUNTRY VOCAL PERF., FEMALE STAND BY YOUR MAN (Album) Tammy Wynette...(Epic) 23. BEST COUNTRY VOCAL PERF., MALE A BOY NAMED SUE (single) Johnny Cash...(Col.) 24. BEST COUNTRY PERFORMANCE BY A DUO OR GROUP MAC ARTHUR PARK Waylon Jennings & The Kimberleys...(RCA) 26. BEST COUNTRY SONG A BOY NAMED SUE Songwr: Shel Silverstein...(Columbia) 29. BEST FOLK PERFORMANCE CLOUDS Joni Mitchell...(W.B.) 33. BEST RECORDING FOR CHILDREN PETER, PAUL & MOMMY Peter, Paul & Mary...(W.B.) 34. BEST COMEDY RECORDING BILL COSBY Bill Cosby...(Uni) 37. BEST INSTRUMENTAL JAZZ PERF., LARGE GROUP OR SOLOIST WITH LARGE GROUP WALKING IN SPACE Quincy Jones...(A&M) Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:00:28 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Joni at the dentist ><< So if any of you have to get your teeth worked on or cleaned. TAKE JONI >WITH >YOU!!! >Hugth and kitheth, >Jimmy >> >LOL, you are a wackadoodle Jimmy. >don't bite your lip >Miss Crump Whatever you do, don't bring Lou Reed's 'Metal Machine Music'. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:19:12 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Joni to perform at Grammy Awards? This is from an article at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/eo/20010215/en/grammys_get_their_man_jon_stewart_ 1.html Other performers scheduled to perform include 'N Sync, Christina Aguilera, Macy Gray, Moby, Sheryl Crowe, Shelby Lynne, Destiny's Child, Faith Hill, Madonna, Dolly Parton, Jill Scott and U2. Presenters include Erykah Badu, Toni Braxton, Andy Garcia, Kevin James, Ray Romano, Carlos Santana, Tony Bennett, Carson Daly, Gloria Estefan, Vince Gill, Joni Mitchell, Sisqs and Aerosmith's Steven Tyler and Joe Perry. Finally, a reason to watch this year's show. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:15:16 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: ENYA !?! >>> << Enya's music might not float my boat personally, but she has a huge* following>> I fully realize that this is my humble and wholly subjective opinion, but I was surprised that even a mention of Enya would surface on a list of people who have recognized, and pay tribute to, an artist as magnificent as Joni. Enya is not even in the same universe as Joni, much less in the same league. Again, I realize this is one man's view - but I just don't understand how someone who has had their soul touched by Ms. Mitchell, could even listen to Enya's airy, soulless, substance-less, 'ball-less', drivel - much less 'like' it!?? But hey - who am I to say anything negative about the 'queen of new age'. <<< I don't often have negative things to say on this list, for the most part I find it to be intellectually stimulating and pleasant to read and participate in. However, (didn't you just know that was coming?) this particular post touched off a nerve in me and I just have to say this: How fucking elitist can you get? So you don't like the woman's contribution to the music scene... that's your prerogative, it's not your cup of tea... no problem, you're entitled to feel any way you like about any music in the world but to try to kiss the asses of the Joni lovers on the list by saying that we, who are supposed to be "musically superior," shouldn't even be remotely interested in music you don't like makes my blood pressure rise to the point of being unforgivably rude. Who the hell made you the god of what we can and cannot listen to? I am not particularly fond of Enya, so I'm not coming to her defense here, what I AM trying to say is how dare you judge anyone's taste in music? Just because YOU aren't fond of someone does not dismiss their artistry for the rest of the world. It's obvious you don't know a whole lot about what you term as the "'aroma therapy & crystals' crowd" they are just as likely to listen to Apocolyptica, Peter Gabriel, David Bowie, Bach, The Cult, Crowded House, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Yngwie Malmsteen, and Muddy Waters as they are Enya; everything in it's place and time. Yes, Joni is undoubtedly queen, in my book and many others on this list, but she is not the be all and end all of the musical kingdom. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:34:38 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: ENYA !?! > From: "cassy" > To: , > Subject: Re: ENYA !?! > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:15:16 -0500 > Reply-to: "cassy" > >>> << Enya's music might not float my boat personally, but she has a > huge* following>> > > I fully realize that this is my humble and wholly subjective opinion, > but I was surprised that even a mention of Enya would surface on a > list of people who have recognized, and pay tribute to, an artist as > magnificent as Joni. Enya is not even in the same universe as Joni, > much less in the same league. > > Again, I realize this is one man's view - but I just don't understand > how someone who has had their soul touched by Ms. Mitchell, could even > listen to Enya's airy, soulless, substance-less, 'ball-less', drivel - > much less 'like' it!?? But hey - who am I to say anything negative > about the 'queen of new age'. <<< > > I don't often have negative things to say on this list, for the most > part I find it to be intellectually stimulating and pleasant to read > and participate in. However, (didn't you just know that was coming?) > this particular post touched off a nerve in me and I just have to say > this: How fucking elitist can you get? So you don't like the woman's > contribution to the music scene... that's your prerogative, it's not > your cup of tea... no problem, you're entitled to feel any way you > like about any music in the world but to try to kiss the asses of the > Joni lovers on the list by saying that we, who are supposed to be > "musically superior," shouldn't even be remotely interested in music > you don't like makes my blood pressure rise to the point of being > unforgivably rude. > > Who the hell made you the god of what we can and cannot listen to? I > am not particularly fond of Enya, so I'm not coming to her defense > here, what I AM trying to say is how dare you judge anyone's taste in > music? Just because YOU aren't fond of someone does not dismiss their > artistry for the rest of the world. It's obvious you don't know a > whole lot about what you term as the "'aroma therapy & crystals' > crowd" they are just as likely to listen to Apocolyptica, Peter > Gabriel, David Bowie, Bach, The Cult, Crowded House, Stevie Ray > Vaughan, Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Yngwie Malmsteen, and Muddy > Waters as they are Enya; everything in it's place and time. > > Yes, Joni is undoubtedly queen, in my book and many others on this > list, but she is not the be all and end all of the musical kingdom. > > Cassy > whiffing sandalwood incense> You go girl! mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:38:43 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni to perform at Grammy Awards? In a message dated 2/15/01 4:44:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: << Other performers scheduled to perform include 'N Sync, Christina Aguilera, Macy Gray, Moby, Sheryl Crowe, Shelby Lynne, Destiny's Child, Faith Hill, Madonna, Dolly Parton, Jill Scott and U2. Presenters include Erykah Badu, Toni Braxton, Andy Garcia, Kevin James, Ray Romano, Carlos Santana, Tony Bennett, Carson Daly, Gloria Estefan, Vince Gill, Joni Mitchell, Sisqs and Aerosmith's Steven Tyler and Joe Perry. Finally, a reason to watch this year's show. --Bob >> WOOOOOOO HOOOOOOO.... YIPPY YIPPY ROSE WHO IS DANCING AROUND LIKE A FOOL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:39:15 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni to perform at Grammy Awards? No! In a message dated 2/15/01 4:44:15 PM, I cut and pasted this from an online news story without reading it very closely: << Other performers scheduled to perform include 'N Sync, Christina Aguilera, Macy Gray, Moby, Sheryl Crowe, Shelby Lynne, Destiny's Child, Faith Hill, Madonna, Dolly Parton, Jill Scott and U2. Presenters include Erykah Badu, Toni Braxton, Andy Garcia, Kevin James, Ray Romano, Carlos Santana, Tony Bennett, Carson Daly, Gloria Estefan, Vince Gill, Joni Mitchell, Sisqs and Aerosmith's Steven Tyler and Joe Perry. >> As you can see, Joni will present, not perform. Sorry. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:00:26 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: ENYA !?! I love this list. No matter what artist gets trashed by someone, there's always another someone to forcefully say, "hey wait a minute, I kinda like..." or "I don't like her/him either, but we have a right to..." Such passion and openness to all types of music is downright inspiring. Debra Shea NP: Carmel, "Napoli" from Set Me Free (echoes of Edith Piaf) A flamethrower wrote: > I just don't understand > how someone who has had their soul touched by Ms. Mitchell, could even > listen to Enya's airy, soulless, substance-less, 'ball-less', drivel - > much less 'like' it!?? and cassy's question: > Who the hell made you the god of what we can and cannot listen to? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:08:19 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: your better side Michael Paz wrote: "Heavy sigh! Phew Marcel. Of all holidays for you to let your guard down. I always enjoy your posts (most of the time) because I have gotten to know the person behind them. Thanks for showing your better side." Is that the one in the photo on the jmdl.com site? he he he. ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:33:30 -0600 From: evian Subject: Don Rowe's dirty laundry Don Rowe was airing that dirty laundry of his and mentioned: > "Escape" & "Raised on Radio" -- Journey > LOL, another Journey fan! "Suzanne" is such an awesome song that it would still hold up today -- actually, the whole album is great, but I pick Frontiers over Escape! Mr. Klein also mentioned Pyromania -- damn gotta dust that one off too! Evian np: Philip Bailey -- Chinese Wall (some of MY dirty laundry) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:06:47 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy Bob said, "Ironically, I think Joni is much more successful in sending a broader image when she stays with a specific image." I agree & think that this is the key to great songwriting. The message gets out in an artistic & subtle way, it doesn't hit you over the head. By making it personal it becomes universal... BTW, after quite a few years away from Joni (& lots of things musical in my life), CMIARS brought me back to her. I really loved (most of) it! ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:46:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy Wally K, in the guise of - --- Stephen Epstein wrote: > hello bros and sistahs!!! here i am in good old > canada, home of the funny > money, maple syrup and gorgeous mustachioed > lumberjacks. >now behave well and pay > attention to my > adorable deputy birthday fairy. if you only knew the > wand he's packing!!! > Well, Wally, let me tellya - the deputy BF is doing a mighty fine job, so you'd better watch your back! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:55:11 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: ENYA !?! - --- RK1THXguy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/15/01 2:49:24 AM, > chris@secure-si.co.uk writes: > > << Enya's music might not float my boat personally, > but she has a *huge* > following >> > > So does Brittany Spears - but that doesn't make it > quality music. <> >It's like pretending > that Kenny G (who also > has a 'huge' following) is a 'real' jazz musician. You missed the Kenny G debate a while back, didn'tya? Just trying to stir up trouble needlessly ;) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:18:08 -0500 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: What about Nana Mouskouri? (sp?) Now, there's a 1-800 artist to talk about! I'm curious what others think of her. I don't know about her to comment, but every decade or so, there's a new album to buy from her off the tv. and Ironically, I wondered what the JM list thought about Enya, now I know. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:05:37 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Valentine's Day I loved this Kakki. Thanks for sharing it. One of the more interesting Valentines Greetings I have seen this time around. Michael NP-Everyday-Dave Matthews (OM MY GAWD I finally have my Paws on this recording. I am ohn listen number two. Sorry Jonatha! Just maybe one more listen till i am back to you. on 2/14/01 8:33 PM, Kakki at KakkiB@worldnet.att.net wrote: > <3~<3~<3~<3~<3~<3~<3~<3~<3~<3~<3~<3~<3 > > Cupid: His disgrace is to be called boy; but his glory is to subdue men ~ > Shakespeare > > The credulity of love is the most fundamental source of authority ~ Freud > > Only with those we love do we speak of those we love~ Richter > > The speaking in perpetual hyperbole is comely in nothing but in love~Bacon > > All I really, really want our love to do, is to bring out the best in me and > in you, too~ Joni Mitchell > > Happy Valentine's Day to all! <3 > > Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:27:55 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Coyote Returns from The Midway Not the WHOLE party at Kakki's. It was great to see you. Hope youy are well and welcome back to JoniLand. Paz NP-Sleep To Dream Her-Dave Matthews Band. THIS ALBUM ROCKS!!!! Go Dave! on 2/14/01 11:45 PM, ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com at ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com wrote: > Hello to all my pals on the JMDL: > > OK, I'm back, what did I miss since October? > > Coyote Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:36:21 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Woodstock on CNN/Napster Several times this week i saw a segment on CNN about the Napster deal and they showed a clip of someone typing in the Napster search thingy and the Song Title is Woodstock (although in the artist slot they have listed Steely Dan). Amazing the shit that gets me off these days. paz NP-The Love Of Our Fathers-DMB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:35:32 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni Pictures Phil, there are several more 'pool' pictures in the songbook for "Hissing". Maybe someone has posted them somewhere? BachelorNumero2@aol.com wrote: > hey everyone.......... > > I would like to know if anyone knows where I can find the photos taken > from the 1975 session (pool) for "hissing"........I've seen an outtake from > the Rolling Stone issue last year, but other than that, that's all i can > find........I think Joni is at her most beautiful in the those > pictures.....and they're so funny, because she's totally making a statement > with them (the irony that a folk-rock star was posing like a model in a > swimming pool, especially hence the title of the album).....i got the joke > before I even heard the album or knew nothing about it........... > > if anyone knows about these pics, let me know........ > > PHIL ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #53 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?