From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #52 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, February 15 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 052 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: this flight today [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: this flight today ["hell" ] CSN&Y concert chronology (very small Joni content) ["FL" ] comes love! [Alison E ] SJC? - Re: Siquomb? [RK1THXguy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #75 [RK1THXguy@aol.com] No Subject [RK1THXguy@aol.com] The Tea-Leaf Prophecy [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #51 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Happy Valentines Day (md) [Michael Paz ] Covers and Contributions [Michael Paz ] Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy [Catherine McKay ] Valentine's Day ["Kakki" ] Re: Covers and Contributions, Chaka tonight [Penny ] ENYA - Yikes!! Help! Run!!! [RK1THXguy@aol.com] Joni playing at record store! [Relayer211@aol.com] Tea Leaf Prophecy [PPeterson4@aol.com] Coyote Returns from The Midway [ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com] Re: Coyote Returns from The Midway ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:14:31 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Re: this flight today > I was on a flight last week from NY to Pittsburg ... > I don't know what song came before or after > Joni, but I KNOW that she played just for me. I loved your story, Joseph - made me laugh and cry at the same time. Thanks for sharing it! Marian Vienna NP: Jonatha Brooke - Blood From A Stone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:58:09 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: this flight today Joseph wrote: > I just wanted to share this little bit of Joni nonsense with you. Cool story! It reminds me of last night at my weekly pub trivia quiz. There were several questions I related back to Joni, which I do often (and hence, should have answered correctly), and the most annoying was this: Molihre wrote a play about him Byron wrote a book about him Mozart wrote an opera about him Strauss wrote a poem about him I still can't believe I didn't get it, since the category was "Love", but the answer was "Don Juan." I was kicking myself! Another question was: "Beanie, stove-pipe and pork pie are all types of what?" But thanks to discussion on this list, I was the only one of 10 people in our group who knew that Benjamin Orr, who died in 1999, was a member of the group The Cars! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:06:14 +0100 From: "FL" Subject: CSN&Y concert chronology (very small Joni content) Greetings from Roma! I'm working on a Crosby Stills Nash & Young concert chronology for a book about them, which you might already be aware of. (More details at: http://utenti.tripod.it/FranzL/homepage.htm ) My attempt is to track down a list - complete as much as possible - of all the shows they performed, as main artists, or guests, separately or collectively (I don't need Neil Young solo). I'm also interested in benefit concerts, one-shot appearances, tv & radio performances. I have already more than 6,000 concert-dates from the early 60's until the recent gigs, but I'm sure there's still a bunch I have no info of, especially Byrds with Crosby, Crosby early 80's and Stills solo. Contributions from those who attended the shows are much welcome. What I'm looking for: - - date (possibly complete) - - venue, city and state - - band members - - track list (or performed known tracks) - - opening act or other acts on the bill - - any guest that joined them (or that they joined, if it was another artist's show) and the song(s) that they performed together - - ticket / concert-ad / flyer scan - - any interesting anecdote - - photos - - copies of reviews/interviews from the local paper re: the concert Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks a lot! Francesco PS - ciao Mauro! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:20:21 PST From: rosemjoy@aol.com (Rose Marie Joy) Subject: Vincent van Gogh - Olive Trees with Yellow Sky and Sun - from Rose Marie Joy Hello! Rose Marie Joy has just sent you a greeting card from Bluemountain.com. You can pick up your personal message here: http://www3.bluemountain.com/cards/boxc224255j1/w5dn53hfyesfx6.html Your card will be available for the next 90 days This service is 100% FREE! :) Have a good day and have fun! ________________________________________________________________________ Accessing your card indicates agreement with Blue Mountain's Website Rules: http://www.bluemountain.com/home/WebsiteRules.html Send FREE Blue Mountain cards to friends and family (and attach gifts too!) http://www.bluemountain.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:31:12 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Happy Valentines Day (md) When I was in grammar school (about the time dinosaurs roamed the earth) we all looked forward to valentines day. We each got a card and signed it (ususally a big heart) put in a piece of heart candy with a little message like "Will you be mine"; and gave one out to all the other kids, boys and girls. So today Im sending you all my valentine for all the friendship, commeraderie, and just plain wonderful sharing of your thoughts hopes dreams scheems and of course criticism and contradictions. Yes even those who jump on my head for something Ive said. I have always loved the sharing of thoughts even those I may disagree with because thats the only way possible to learn. So again Happy Valentines Day to all. Marcel Deste ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:19:18 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: Happy Valentines Day (md) MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > << > all looked forward to valentines day. We each got a card and signed it > (ususally a big heart) put in a piece of heart candy with a little message > like "Will you be mine"; and gave one out to all the other kids, boys and > girls. So today Im sending you all my valentine for all the friendship, > commeraderie, and just plain wonderful sharing of your thoughts hopes dreams > scheems and of course criticism and contradictions. Yes even those who jump > on my head for something Ive said. I have always loved the sharing of > thoughts even those I may disagree with because thats the only way possible > to learn. So again Happy Valentines Day to all. Marcel Deste>>> what a wonderful message Marcel. Food for thought. At the book store where I spend way too much time and energy, we often have impulse items on the counter. This year, for Valentine's we sold those packages of little hearts with messages of be mine etc...so sweet and reminiscent of childhood dreams. I also enjoy the controversy here Marcel..the differing of opinions makes me think and challenges what I stand for....it IS a good thing to have different points of view. How boring and mundane it would be to think in exactly the same way all the time. I feel it is important to remember is that we are all caring, feeling, thinking people with a passion for Joni and beyond. As Natalie Merchant says: Life is sweet. Amen. Magsie np: Wonderful Life, Mathilde Santing .. if you dont know her, find her! She is amazing amazing!!!! a very special thank you dear Dutch Uncle!!!! > - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:37:42 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: comes love! i can't believe it folks, but currently playing on WFUV---Joni's BSN version of Comes Love! Will wonder's never cease. I told you it was a great station! alison e. in nyc yeah, i know i should be working... Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:16:18 EST From: RK1THXguy@aol.com Subject: SJC? - Re: Siquomb? In a message dated 2/13/01 7:59:55 PM, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Hope that helps! >> Hello Hell - and hell yes, Hell, you ARE a helluva lotta help! Thanks!! Are you a kiwi? RK of stumptown ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:39:34 EST From: RK1THXguy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #75 In a message dated 2/14/01 1:21:12 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << Had a friend in junior high named Joanie Anderson >> WOW! What a coincidence. I went to grade school with a Roberta Joan Anderson. Wasn't in class a lot. Sickly girl - but bright! RK of stumptown (reveling in his meaningless fabrications) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:03:28 EST From: RK1THXguy@aol.com Subject: No Subject BachelorNumero2@aol.com writes: << anything along the jazz/rock lines of "Court" and "Hissing".........it'd be appreciated thanks. >> m_hicks@aiken.k12.sc.us replies: << Can you say HEJIRA? >> I say: "can you say 'Mingus'!" RK of Stumptown NP: well with others ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:15:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy I've made a habit the past couple of weeks of putting two different Joni's in my car changer and listening to them all week. This week's have been HOSL & CMIARS. This morning my least favorite song from CMIARS came on, and it just has never grown on me. Still after all the listens I've given it, the melody is blah, almost non-existent, the production is poor with those plodding echoing drums, and on the whole I'm happy when it's over, if indeed I stick out the whole song. Joni's vocals are also poorly recorded, it's hard to make out a lot of what she says, even when I know the words! But I must say that lyrically there's maybe more going on then I give it credit for, although it seems to be disjointed in a "No Apologies" sort of way. I like the story of her parents' courtship, and the scene of the three of them listening to the radio together (reminds me of our Darn Kids thread), but wonder about the constant "Lay Down Your Arms" chant. It really becomes a distraction for me. <<"Sleep little darlin'! This is your happy home Hiroshima cannot be pardoned! Don't have kids when you get grown Because this world is shattered>> This section of the verse caught my ear...I wonder if this is the sort of thing that Joni constantly got from her Mom? If so, it would have made her pregnancy that much more difficult to deal with. Just wondering what some of your takes on this song are...I know I'm missing something, just can't seem to get a handle on what it is. Bob NP: Elvis, "Poisoned Rose" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:53:41 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #51 So how does one get access to the Joni covers recordings? I'd love to hear Chaka do Man From Mars ... it's a great song. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:26:41 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Happy Valentines Day (md) Heavy sigh! Phew Marcel. Of all holidays for you to let your guard down. I always enjoy your posts (most of the time) because I have gotten to know the person behind them. Thanks for showing your better side. Paz NP-Case of You-Live from Concord on 2/14/01 5:31 AM, MDESTE1@aol.com at MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > When I was in grammar school (about the time dinosaurs roamed the earth) we > all looked forward to valentines day. We each got a card and signed it > (ususally a big heart) put in a piece of heart candy with a little message > like "Will you be mine"; and gave one out to all the other kids, boys and > girls. So today Im sending you all my valentine for all the friendship, > commeraderie, and just plain wonderful sharing of your thoughts hopes dreams > scheems and of course criticism and contradictions. Yes even those who jump > on my head for something Ive said. I have always loved the sharing of > thoughts even those I may disagree with because thats the only way possible > to learn. So again Happy Valentines Day to all. Marcel Deste ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:38:45 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Covers and Contributions on 2/14/01 4:53 PM, StDoherty@aol.com at StDoherty@aol.com wrote: > So how does one get access to the Joni covers recordings? I'd love to hear > Chaka do Man From Mars ... it's a great song. > Usually you have to really suck up to somebody or pay tons of money to some bastard bootleg monger. In your case though we will make an exception. You mat contact the guru of Covers and Contributions (thats the southern gent in the linen suit over in the corner there that the ladies are all swooning over and grabbing his butt aka scjoniguy@aol.com ) OR I myownself would be happy to copy any of the 14 volumes that i have in my personal collection for blanks and postage. Please contact us private like. Michael NP-Me-Paula Cole P.S. One of these days I am gonna do a best of Bobs collection, but i can't think about that today. I'll think about that tomorrow.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:56:46 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy This morning my least favorite song from CMIARS came on, and it just has never grown on me. Still after all the listens I've given it, the melody is blah, almost non-existent, the production is poor with those plodding echoing drums, and on the whole I'm happy when it's over, if indeed I stick out the whole song. Joni's vocals are also poorly recorded, it's hard to make out a lot of what she says, even when I know the words! Geez, Bob, worse than 'Dancing Clown'? I've never understood why a few people on this list hate this song. I believe it makes Sue McNamara cringe as well. It's always been one of my favorites from one of Joni's albums that I don't listen to very often. > > But I must say that lyrically there's maybe more going on then I give it credit for, although it seems to be disjointed in a "No Apologies" sort of way. > > I like the story of her parents' courtship, and the scene of the three of them listening to the radio together (reminds me of our Darn Kids thread), but wonder about the constant "Lay Down Your Arms" chant. It really becomes a distraction for me. > > <<"Sleep little darlin'! > This is your happy home > Hiroshima cannot be pardoned! > Don't have kids when you get grown > Because this world is shattered>> > > This section of the verse caught my ear...I wonder if this is the sort of thing that Joni constantly got from her Mom? If so, it would have made her pregnancy that much more difficult to deal with. > > Just wondering what some of your takes on this song are...I know I'm missing something, just can't seem to get a handle on what it is. War is an underlying theme in the song and a force that has shaped the lives of this family. It was because of WWII that Myrtle met Bill the 'young flight sergeant on two weeks leave'. Joni was born during the war & would have been a toddler at the time the bombs were dropped on Hiroshima & Nagasaki. The effects of those events were very far reaching and there must have been a lot of people who wondered if there was any point to carrying on with life from one generation to the next. However, in the end, Myrtle has decided to carry on. 'Ah what does it matter? The wash needs ironing & the fire needs stoking.' Study war no more, study war no more, study war no more Another one of Joni's choral backdrops. I think it works. I like it. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:14:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Tea-Leaf Prophecy - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > I like the story of her parents' courtship, and the > scene of the three of them listening to the radio > together (reminds me of our Darn Kids thread), but > wonder about the constant "Lay Down Your Arms" > chant. It really becomes a distraction for me. > > <<"Sleep little darlin'! > This is your happy home > Hiroshima cannot be pardoned! > Don't have kids when you get grown > Because this world is shattered>> > > This section of the verse caught my ear...I wonder > if this is the sort of thing that Joni constantly > got from her Mom? If so, it would have made her > pregnancy that much more difficult to deal with. > Somehow I get the feeling from that song that it really isn't Myrtle talking at that point, but maybe Joni putting words in her mother's mouth. I don't know why, but somehow I just can't imagine people of that generation talking that way about Hiroshima - at the time anyway. Maybe years later, after they realized the full impact - I'm not sure how much detail people would have had initially. That may be just because my own parents (my Dad in particular) never did talk much about the war. It wasn't until we were much older that he'd tell us stuff and I just don't think he liked talking about it, or its rightness or wrongness. I do recall him once saying that Hiroshima was a terrible thing but that it may have been the only option at the time (not that I necessarily agree with that and I don't think Dad was trying to justify it, maybe just explain it in terms of what people knew then, what people thought then). Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:33:00 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Valentine's Day <3~<3~<3~<3~<3~<3~<3~<3~<3~<3~<3~<3~<3 Cupid: His disgrace is to be called boy; but his glory is to subdue men ~ Shakespeare The credulity of love is the most fundamental source of authority ~ Freud Only with those we love do we speak of those we love~ Richter The speaking in perpetual hyperbole is comely in nothing but in love~Bacon All I really, really want our love to do, is to bring out the best in me and in you, too~ Joni Mitchell Happy Valentine's Day to all! <3 Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:37:02 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: Re: Covers and Contributions, Chaka tonight >So how does one get access to the Joni covers recordings? I'd love to hear Chaka do Man From Mars ... it's a great song. Speaking of Chaka, how many saw her tonight on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? She never did make it to the hot seat, but I couldn't help but root especially hard for her - surely I wasn't the only one hoping that Joni was on top of her list of friends to phone in a jam. ;-) Penny Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:07:07 EST From: RK1THXguy@aol.com Subject: ENYA - Yikes!! Help! Run!!! m_hicks@aiken.k12.sc.us: << see Enya on the Tonight Show Monday night? ...She's truly one of a kind. >> Mike, You obviously have tremendous taste in female singer songwriters - you ARE on the Joni list after all. SO - what the hell is this Enya thing anyhow??!? I put Enya, Yanni, and John Tesh in the same category - pretentious & BORING! RK of Stumptown NP: with matches ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:09:24 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Joni playing at record store! I went to my local CD store and outside,on a loud speaker,they were blasting Joni's CD "Hits".I stuck around to here about 3 or 4 songs... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:20:25 EST From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Tea Leaf Prophecy I have always loved this song - who can say why one song touches one person and not another? I have always identified with the sadness of the song - a deep melancholy that runs from the personal (" 'She says I'm leavin' here' - but she don't go") to the historical ("Hiroshima cannot be pardoned"). I have always been attracted to that kind of almost processional rhythm, and it's done here beautifully by Manu Katche. And the chant in the background "Study war no more" like a counter motif since the song so beautifully evokes the strange nostalgia which that generation has for wartime. It's one of Joni's most complex and beautiful 'short story' songs. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 02:45:31 EST From: ElLayCoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Coyote Returns from The Midway Hello to all my pals on the JMDL: OK, I'm back, what did I miss since October? Coyote Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:51:29 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Coyote Returns from The Midway Coyote Rick wrote: > Hello to all my pals on the JMDL: > > OK, I'm back, what did I miss since October? Nothing - we were all just killing time until you got back ;o) Nice to "see" you again! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #52 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?