From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #48 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, February 11 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 048 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- *I had a dream... [RK1THXguy@aol.com] RE: Joni's music videos ["Deb Messling" ] Joni's first album ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Paz (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] R: Fans of Joni ["Domenico Stefanoni" ] R: Joni's music videos ["Domenico Stefanoni" ] things-n-stuff [Tyler Hewitt ] JMDL get-together ["Kakki" ] Re: *I had a dream... [Michael Paz ] Re: #13` [Michael Paz ] Re: JMDL get-together [Michael Paz ] Audio portion of Joni Tribute last April offered on CD-R [Guy Brown ] Joni mentions in Billboard [Randy Remote ] Re: Unreleased Joni with gams. [Randy Remote ] Re: JMDL get-together [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Audio portion of Joni Tribute last April offered on CD-R [Michael Paz] Come In From The Cold (some kind o' synchronicty) ["Gerald" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 04:47:12 EST From: RK1THXguy@aol.com Subject: *I had a dream... ...Joni and Sting co-wrote an hours worth of tunes which they made into an album. Their backing band was all the surviving members of Weather Report and it was co-produces by Brian Eno and Peter Gabriel, with tastefully interspersed muted trumpet solos by Miles that had been sampled from his archives and used posthumously. Am I tripping? Are these the flashbacks they promised me 35 years ago?? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 07:08:30 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Joni's music videos I know of four Joni videos. Three are more or less concert videos. The fourth is a compilation of studio-made videos: "Come in from the Cold," which has videos of Lakota, Beat of Black Wings, Night Ride Home, Come in from the Cold, Nothing Can Be Done, Two Grey Rooms, and a really cute video for Dancin' Clown, with Joni dancing around in her pajamas with her cat. A few other videos are available via the video tree organized by Ashara: How Do You Stop, My Secret Place, Good Friends and a fragment of Shiny Toys. I believe "Come in from the Cold" is out of print. There happens to one for sale on Ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1409116533 - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 07:39:11 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Joni's first album I've heard that the latest release of Joni's first album on CD has a much better sound than the original release. Did they really clear up the "bell jar" quality? Is it worth replacing my current copy? - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:35:48 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Paz (md) In a message dated 2/9/01 6:42:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: << PLEASE JACK! You don't want me to tell any stories about you mud wrestling those chicks down on Bourbon St. Or any number of OTHER stories I could tell. Love Paz >> If thats all Jack did, then thats commendable. Better that he wrestled Gators'. ?? marcel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:25:06 +0100 From: "Domenico Stefanoni" Subject: R: Fans of Joni - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 7:49 PM Subject: Re: Fans of Joni > In a message dated 2/9/01 1:26:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, domstef@tin.it > writes: > > << i wish to be fans of joni mitchell but i have to much mailing i wish talk > with fans of joni but no mailing thanks > >> > Welcome! you can talk to me anytime Domenico. Are you from Italy? Sure wish > you would stick around a while though. If you don't want email, then you > should unsubscribe. > Chow, > Rose in NJ > who by the way is Italian too ;~) > third generation > > Rose in NJ > i living in norh italy i am photografers i like joni because she speak about her and she so original i hear your music since 1976 i play joni mitchell song with my guitar my prefer songs are all i wanted amelia refuge of the roads car on hills court and sparks the circle game blue hejra and court and spark are my prefer c.d. i like the original way to play guitar in all i wanted tell me your preferite song and c.d. and why i like u.s.a. thank you ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:47:56 +0100 From: "Domenico Stefanoni" Subject: R: Joni's music videos - ----- Original Message ----- From: Janine Sherman To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 1:42 AM Subject: Joni's music videos > Do unto others as you would like done to you > Janine Sherman@netrax.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Janine Sherman > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 7:40 PM > Subject: Joni's music videos > > > > (2/9/01) > > The Juno Awards will be broadcast across Canada on March 4, with Joni's > Both > > Sides Now up for an award in the "Best Vocal Jazz Album" category. The > Juno > > nominations were announced on January 27. Not long after the CD was > released > > last year, Joni sat down with interviewer Jana Lynne White for an > hour-long > > interview on the popular "Speak Easy" program, broadcast on Canada's Much > > More Music channel. Follow the link below for Andrew Ritchie's complete > > transcription of the interview. > > > > THE "SPEAK EASY" INTERVIEW > > > > I just read this interview on www.jonimitchell.com > > and it has frequent mentions of viewing clips from Joni's music videos. > > Does anyone have copies of these or know how to access them? (esp. Lakota) > > Thanks for any info. on this. If you haven't read the interview, it is > very > > well done. > > Janine Sherman@netrax.net > i am italian boy i hear joni since 1976 i wish talk about joni with you what are your prefer songs about joni a like u.s.a thanks you ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:44:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: things-n-stuff Lots of little things to comment on... re: Bob, who also enjoys XTC's discussion list along with our JMDL buddy Tyler! I knew I coulden't be the only person on both lists! Joni actually is mentioned quite a bit on the XTC list. Maybe the connection is an appretiation of well written songs. RE: the Talking Heads debate I listed Remain in Light as their best, but I must admit that Fear of Music is my personal favorite. Why? Don't know. It was the first of their lp's I bought, but it's more than that. It seems a transitional album, musically and chronologically between More Songs about Buildings and Food and Remain in Light. But it's more than that too. Interesting lyrically as well-probably the most paranoid record I've ever heard! The person who mentioned the Robert Rauchenberg package to Speaking in Tongues-I have one of those, too (not autographed), but mine hasn't aged well. The plastic has yellowed and turned a little brittle, and the revolving discs have popped off of the cover. I do think that is one of the best and most original record covers I have ever seen. Probably helps that I love Talking Heads and am a huge fan of Rauchenberg's work. Someone mentioned wanting a Doug Kershaw live lp. Have you tried GEMM? http://www.gemm.com/ It is basically a searchable database of used record stores' inventory. Hundreds of stores, I've found several hard to find things there. Disclosure: I don't work for nor do I have any financial interest in GEMM. Just a satisfied customer. One last thing: Anyone interested in trading crdr's/tapes, check out my tradelist http://www.mindspring.com/~t.hewitt/tradelist.html It's always growing, so check periodically, and let me know if you're intersted in trading. Tyler Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:54:52 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: JMDL get-together Clark, Stephen and Rusty from New York and I are getting together for dinner, martinis and other fun at Les Deux Cafes in Hollywood next Saturday night. We'd love to have any local or visiting JMDL'ers join us! Please let me know if you are interested (come out, come out you lurkers and newbies ;-) and I will give you more details. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:31:26 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: *I had a dream... If not it was one of my wet dreams! Paz(always salacious) on 2/10/01 1:47 AM, RK1THXguy@aol.com at RK1THXguy@aol.com wrote: > ...Joni and Sting co-wrote an hours worth of tunes which they made into an > album. Their backing band was all the surviving members of Weather Report and > it was co-produces by Brian Eno and Peter Gabriel, with tastefully > interspersed muted trumpet solos by Miles that had been sampled from his > archives and used posthumously. Am I tripping? Are these the flashbacks > they promised me 35 years ago?? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:31:29 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: #13` Oh Yeah! While it's a really different feel than the live album, I really liked it. I have listened to it 3 times now and I do love it. I also finished going thru #13 and there are some really cool ones on this volume. I like Buddy Holly and Marfred Mann and Chaka of course is wonderful and Bette are the stand outs for me. Paz NP-Apples and Bananas-Robin E.(ihear this in my sleep now) on 2/9/01 8:34 PM, Phyliss Ward at pward@datacourse.com wrote: > I received Jonatha's new one yesterday and to quote my favorite N'awlin's > guy... > OH MY GAWD!!!! > > Michael Paz wrote: > >> Bob- Thanks so much for #13 which arrived, but Jonatha arrived too and i am >> feeling like being bad tonight and listening to it first. >> >> So much music >> so little time >> >> Cheatin Paz >> >> NP-New Dress-Jonatha with Neil Finn > > -- > Phyliss > mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:41:18 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JMDL get-together on 2/10/01 1:54 PM, Kakki at KakkiB@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Clark, Stephen and Rusty from New York and I are getting together for > dinner, martinis and other fun at Les Deux Cafes in Hollywood next Saturday > night. We'd love to have any local or visiting JMDL'ers join us! Please > let me know if you are interested (come out, come out you lurkers and > newbies ;-) and I will give you more details. > > Kakki > Do you guys have any frequent flyer miles you can send me so I can come??? Wish I could be there. I'll leave my cell phone on Kakki, in case there is a Joni moment again. You guys have fun! Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:15:10 -0800 From: Guy Brown Subject: Audio portion of Joni Tribute last April offered on CD-R While we're waiting for the next Tape or CD tree to begin, perhaps this might be of interest. Thanks to the generosity of the JMDL musical archivist Simon Montgomerie, I've come into a pre broadcast master of the audio portion of the All-Star tribute to Joni Mitchell show recorded and broadcast last April. I've edited it down from its 1:30+ running time and condensed all the musical performances only onto one CD-R. And frankly it plays rather well. If any of you lads or lasses wants to trade for a copy, please contact me off list. A basic premis of Simon's is that we should share the music, so even if you have little to offer in trade, but would like a copy, contact me and we'll work it out. I preserved the, as broadcast, running order. This is the full track list as I mastered it: 1 Wynonna Judd & Bryan Adams Raised On Robbery 3:22 2 Cyndi Lauper Carey 6:29 3 Richard Thompson Woodstock 3:37 4 Shawn Colvin & Mary Chapin Carpenter Chelsea Morning 2:43 5 Shawn Colvin, Mary Chapin Carpenter & James Taylor Big Yellow Taxi 2:50 6 James Taylor River 4:21 7 Wynonna Judd You Turn Me On I'm A Radio 3:10 8 k.d. Lang Help Me 3:50 9 Cassandra Wilson The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 3:27 10 Sweet Honey In The Rock The Circle Game 4:19 11 Shawn Colvin & Mary Chapin Carpenter Amelia 6:11 12 Richard Thompson Black Crow 4:05 13 Elton John Free Man In Paris 3:07 14 Diana Krall A Case Of You 5:23 15 Joni Mitchell Both Sides Now 6:03 16 Joni Mitchell (thank yous) 0:34 17 Joni Mitchell & All The Circle Game 4:49 GUY P.S. Hope somebody can offer me a trade for the Hissing demos CD-R ?? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:31:51 -0600 From: Richard Rice Subject: Unreleased Joni with gams. Randy, I can't bear the frustration of knowing there is Joni material unheard by the masses. Can you hum a few bars? Please? -I think if we turn Randy upside down, wire him with neural devices and shake real hard, we could pull that tune out of his unconscious... Whaddaya say gang? Anybody got rope? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:06:28 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni mentions in Billboard The 2/3/01 issue had a small pic of Joni on the cover along with U2, Destiny's Child and 10 more artists with the caption "Billboard Charts the Grammys". However, there was no accompanying story. The 2/10/01 issue had an interview with Boy George, who is now a DJ (of the dance club variety). The final question was: In your book, who's queen? BG: Joni Mitchell. Yes, Joni is queen. Can I get an amen? RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:10:41 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Unreleased Joni with gams. I'm willing to undergo hypnosis or painful intrusive brain surgery to unearth this song from my subconcious where it unfortunately resides. RR Richard Rice wrote: > Randy, > > I can't bear the frustration of knowing there is Joni material unheard > by the masses. Can you hum a few bars? Please? -I think if we turn > Randy upside down, wire him with neural devices and shake real hard, we > could pull that tune out of his unconscious... Whaddaya say gang? > Anybody got rope? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:21:29 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL get-together In a message dated 2/10/01 5:22:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << Clark, Stephen and Rusty from New York and I are getting together for dinner, martinis and other fun at Les Deux Cafes in Hollywood next Saturday night. We'd love to have any local or visiting JMDL'ers join us! Please let me know if you are interested (come out, come out you lurkers and newbies ;-) and I will give you more details. Kakki >> That night, Feb. 17, my sister Moreen Ivice and Julie Gordon will be making their only scheduled solo appearances in New York City this year, performing in concert at the People's Voice Cafe at the Workmen's Circle. The People's Voice Cafe is at 45 E. 33rd Street, between Park and Madison Avenues. Ivice sings and plays dulcimer. Among the songs Ivice will perform is Joni's Song To a Seagull. They will be backed yup by Ellen Davidson (vocals, guitar and percussion) and Bary Kornhauser (cello). According to the flier she sent me, the concert begins at 8 p.m.. Doors open at 7:30. Cost is $10 or TDF; $7 for People's Voice or Workmen's Circle members; or $5 for Seniors/Students/On Strike/Up against the machine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:39:22 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Audio portion of Joni Tribute last April offered on CD-R I would be happy to provide you a copy of Hissing Demo. Michael on 2/10/01 3:15 PM, Guy Brown at guyb@rain.org wrote: > > P.S. Hope somebody can offer me a trade for the Hissing demos CD-R ?? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:36:50 -0600 From: "Gerald" Subject: Come In From The Cold (some kind o' synchronicty) Seem to be hooked on Come In From The Cold this last while. Easy to do when it's -30C I guess. I don't know what that is in fahrenheit, but I know -40C = -40F. It was -34C when I went out to start my car at 6:30am - dark, and darn cold. The waning moon, bright white in the clear sky. Car started again without being plugged in - was happy for that. Brake pedal frozen. Too cold to even think about putting a cassette in. Transmission shifting verrrrry slowly. Everything's stiff, including the muscles in my body, contracting, trying to retreat. Drove to my first call. Noticed a Martha-Stewart-type ornanment thingy on their door. It said, "Come in from the cold." What?! You thought I was going to say something profound? Why? Because Joni did?! Oh, come on! :-) Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:25:40 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni's first album Deb asked, >I've heard that the latest release of Joni's first album > on CD has a much better sound than the original release. > Did they really clear up the "bell jar" quality? Is it > worth replacing my current copy? - ---------------- Well, I admit that I don't have a 1st generation CD of STAS. I bought it on a used LP. Yea, the HDCD has truer sound, without hiss. It's a rare occurrence when I recommend a CD over LP. Go for it Deb. Pass those non-HDCD copies on to nieces or sell them back to the used CD store. That's good karma. The long version: - ----------------- For those unfamiliar with the legend of STAS, Joni was an unknown commodity in LA (except as a songwriter). She had driven from Detroit to LA with ex-Byrd David Crosby. David used his pull as an music biz success to protect Joni's minimalist approach by agreeing to "be" the producer. Only problem was, David hired someone who didn't know how to record properly. (Any tape tree branch knows that you have to set levels carefully. David's engineer didn't.) Since the recording level was too low, the unreleased master had lots of tape hiss. The execs decided that instead of re-recording the album, the cheapest fix was to just turn down the treble, loping off the highs, the breathy sounds. Judy Collins said that it sounded like "Song To A Seagull" was recorded under a bell jar. That's the sound of the LP. We are very lucky that someone carefully saved the original, un-processed, two-track master. Time passed. When CD was invented, Reprise made STAS with the bell jar version. More time passed and digital technology improved. Bands like "Yes" lead the way to creating better sounding reissues of their classic CDs using the newer electronics, a process called "remastering". For the HDCD remastered release, Reprise took the high road. They took the time to find the *original* two track master, the one with the excessive hiss. On this tape, there is no "bell jar" sound. The reissue team applied the newest tools to the un-processed tape and viola! the tape hiss is gone but *without* producing the bell jar sound! STAS has never sounded so good. On top of this, they had the mastering done by Ocean View Digital which keeps on top of advances in digital sound quality, reducing the gritty, harsh sound common in the early days of CDs. Lama Disclaimer: All audiophile differences are, by definition, small. To answer your questions: Yes, they did clean up the bell jar sound. To me, it's worth replacing those early ones with HDCDs but you'll have to decide for yourself. STAS may be the most improved title simply because the original was profoundly handicapped. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #48 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?