From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #45 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, February 8 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 045 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- riding the train through Saskatoon ["Gregg Cagno" ] Re: Painting with Word misprint? ["hell" ] Re: The Michaelangelo story ["hell" ] unreleased songs, again ["Deb Messling" ] Re: mathematic circuits [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: unreleased songs, again [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: unreleased songs, again [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] was The Return of the . . . well, me. now A Case of Joni [RoseMJoy@aol.co] Re: Painting with Word misprint? [Jerry Notaro ] Deb M , Chuck M was a FolkRex ["BRIAN SYMES" ] re: Highlights in vocal expression ["c Karma" ] Re: Grace and Joni ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Grace and Joni ["Neil E. Orts" ] Re: Grace and Joni ["Neil E. Orts" ] Fwd: Jazz Criticism [jan gyn ] Re: favorite Joni images [Jeff Clark ] Re: Femme Fatale re-run [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Sweet, sweet, SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: unreleased songs, again [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Femme Fatale re-run [Phyliss Ward ] RE: Femme Fatale re-run ["Kate Bennett" ] Helga you go girl! SJC ["BRIAN SYMES" ] Re: Femme Fatale re-run [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Femme Fatale re-run [RoseMJoy@aol.com] DJRD live??? [Merk54@aol.com] Unreleased.... [Julian51469@aol.com] Untreed melodies. [Richard Rice ] Joni and Severe depression [Relayer211@aol.com] JM Article from '74 and HDCD?? [Nancy ] Re: unreleased songs, again ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Fwd: Jazz Criticism ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Chicago Joni Fans / Invitiation to a Joni listening night [Michael Pa] Re: Femme Fatale re-run ["Kakki" ] Re: Unreleased.... [Catherine McKay ] Subject: riding the train through Saskatoon ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Subject: riding the train through Saskatoon [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: Femme Fatale re-run ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Subject: riding the train through Saskatoon ["Kakki" ] Re: Untreed melodies...oops. [Richard Rice ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:42:54 From: "Gregg Cagno" Subject: riding the train through Saskatoon Hey folks, I'm jumping on a train out to Vancouver, BC this Friday. Heading out to the National Folk Alliance Conference, (any JMDLer's gonna be there?). I'm riding THE CANADIAN (www.folktrain.com) which I'm excited to say will pass through Joni's hometown, I think we even get a 50 minute stop. Not much time to look around, but time enough to play a song or two. Which we will I'm sure... So I have a question about Joni's old place in Laurel Canyon. I have a CA tour planned after I leave Vancouver which will bring me to the Los Angeles area. I plan on looking for Joni's old neighborhood. I learned from a Henry Diltz photo that the house was on Lookout Mtn. Ave, anyone know the address? On a pilgrimage of sorts, G _______________________________________ +$;%+$;'+$;%+$;'+$;%+$;'+$;'+$;%+$;'+$; /////////////////////////////////////// Gregg Cagno greggno@hotmail.com www.greggcagno.com _______________________________________ +$;%+$;'+$;%+$;'+$;%+$;'+$;'+$;%+$;'+$; /////////////////////////////////////// "I remember that time you told me, you said, 'Love is touching souls.' Surely you touched mine 'Cause part of you pours out of me In these lines from time to time." - -Joni _______________________________________ +$;%+$;'+$;%+$;'+$;%+$;'+$;'+$;%+$;'+$; /////////////////////////////////////// _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:59:42 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Painting with Word misprint? lonely painter wrote: > I ordered Joni's Painting with Words and Music some months ago, and saw that > 'Nothing Can be Done' was one of the songs performed. Thinking it was the > 'Nothing Can be Done' from her NRH album, which happens to be one of my > favourites, I soon realised it could not be as it credited Billie Holiday. > When Joni finally came to it, the song was actually 'Comes Love'. Was 'Comes > Love' at any time in its history known as 'Nothing Can be Done' (since the > lyric does go: "Comes Love, nothing can be done")? (Or have I got a kind of > collector's item with this misprint?) > > Anybody else with this typo care to comment and/or explain? I bought my copy in NZ, and it has the "Nothing Can Be Done" typo as well, and I seem to remember a few comments about it on-list around that time, so I'm assuming it was a world-wide problem. Sorry, it looks like you've got the common-or-garden variety like the rest of us! Hell (in NZ, obviously!) ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:20:25 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: The Michaelangelo story Bob wrote: > Well, I've been sitting with this message for about a week, waiting for the > time to transcribe an introduction that Joni gives to the song on her '83 > WTRF tour...there are several, this is the one she told to the crowd at > Clarkston Pine Knob, on the 4th of July 1983: Great story, Bob, and I think it's a great idea to transcribe all Joni's monologues somewhere. If I had the time I'd volunteer, but poor Les is still waiting for the article he sent me about three weeks ago (it's coming, Les, I promise)! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 06:18:24 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: unreleased songs, again I noticed the deafening silence about the unreleased songs on jonimitchell.com. I guess my real question is, are recordings of these songs extant? The fact that someone knows the lyrics would imply so. If they are extant, wouldn't it be great to have them treed? I bet I'm not the only jmdler dying to hear them, even if the recordings aren't the best quality. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:09:44 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: mathematic circuits Barbara wrote: > > i see the night view out of an airplane - a city laid out like a circuit > board... > I was thinking about the image of a lit up city too. I love your connection between that and a computer circuit board. What do you think she means ? Despite all it's technology, the city retains some of the innocence and beauty of the jungle. ? Philip NP Bob Lind - Elusive Butterfly ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:07:40 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: unreleased songs, again I have an mp3 of Just Couldn't Help Myself, composed by Mitchell, Guerin and Bennett, sung by O.C. Smith. Didn't someone set up a place for us to share mp3s ? I've forgotten how/ where. I'll send it on to Bob so he can examine it and decide if it's a cover or a contribution or not I guess Jim at JM.com may know about the other ones. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:47:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: unreleased songs, again <> WOW! Thanks Philip...that song had been brought to my attention, so I'm excited to hear it! Do you know if she contributed musically, lyrically, or both? I would say by definition that it's a "C&C", as it's a Joni song (partially, anyway), and is performed by somebody other than Joni. Now, wasn't O.C. Smith the "(Little Green) Apples" guy? Maybe Joni wrote the song for him because she thought he was singing about Kelly Dale? ;~) Bob NP: Cockburn, "Blueberry Hill" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:50:58 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: was The Return of the . . . well, me. now A Case of Joni I emailed Reprise to ask them if they had any idea as to when this tribute CD will be released. I'll let ya know if I get any response from them. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:54:20 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Painting with Word misprint? Speaking of PWWAM I was dismayed to read on Amazon the negative comments about the sound and video quality of the DVD. There are too many to ignore. Do you think it is a defect of some kind like the infamous skipping on the BSN cd? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:05:36 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Hissing Demo The Hissing Demo is awesome (thanks Bob) - does anyone know the history of this disc? peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 07:42:33 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Deb M , Chuck M was a FolkRex I saw Chuck play several times at the Raven Until i left Detroit in 75 He would really swoon the Ladies with his deep Tenor ala "Robert Goulet ". He also was a good 12 string guitar player. His book was a gallimaufry of folk, Broadway,Jac Brel is alive and well in Paris. I will always remember Him doing "The Circle Game" or "Please show me the way to the Whiskey Bar" as an Encore. He did carry A bitter sweet thing in his heart for Joni, yes he was a gate to provide the American Citizenship She needed to go on to NYC and Hollywood. I think Joni learned from Chuck an elementary lesson in playing the House and developing the basics of the voice and guitar. Later from Leonard Cohen she Learned her skills on writing Songs. Another post from the smoky past. Bye - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:27:37 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Highlights in vocal expression So true! So many on so many different levels, the question is almost akin to which favorite tone a cello in YoYo Ma's hands delivered, or which lick Lucille screamed for BB King, or even which stroke contributed most to "Irises." But in the interest of breaking down gestalt or finding order in the entropy, I'll also entertain a few that come to mind at this moment. Joni's choices are so powerful and deliberate (perhaps choosing more overtly in editing, than in creation as any great artist/producer would to maintain objective,organic perspective), and often reflect a greater sense of purpose: they sometimes sacrifice technical perfection for emotional potency-- form follows function. "Oh these nights are strong and soft." -- The Tea Leaf Prophecy (A whispered break, private and subversive) "I need your love, I need your love, God speed your love to me." -- Unchained Melody (Cinematic, breaks from flashback to present without missing a beat) "Where the cowgirls fill the room with their big balloons..."-- The Dry Cleaner From DesMoines (Rakish, syncopated rest pauses to take note as surroundings change, a steadicam shot: hang on!) "Surely to God you'd think some bells should ring." -- The Magdalene Laundries (Live, Madison Square Garden Nov. 1, 1998, YOU HAD TO BE THERE.) "I could drink a case of you, darling." -- Blue, second refrain (She steps to the stars, the moment I realized she was completely opened, and I fell in love. You could have pushed me over with a feather.) "Every mean-streets kick-ass." -- Borderline (Tough as nails. Felt the punch. Didn't see it coming. And I'm from New York City!) CC "Come to the dinner gong, the table is laden high." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:04:03 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: Grace and Joni > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:10:46 -0500 > Reply-to: Stephen Schoener > From: Stephen Schoener > Subject: Re: Grace and Joni > X-To: David Rahall > To: 2400FULTON@NETSPACE.ORG > I just bought "Court and Spark", and I think it's really good. But I > still have to say I like "Hejira" much more. I think the choice of > instrumentation and arrangement better and more refined, the production is > better, and the songs are more stylistically and lyrically compelling on > average. And, especially with Jaco, the musicianship is a cut above. But > both records are terrific. I agree with you totally. Every Jone release is special, but Hejira is a unique gem. It's way above the rest and above most everyone's rest. It's definitely one for our time. Can anyone think of another album by another group that you think is their all-time best? It's tough when you think of the Beatles, Pink Floyd , Jethro Tull, Stones, Yes and many others. Styles change so much(such as the Beatles). Out of that group there I would have to say: Beatles-Abbey Road. Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon.(Animals however gets more of my air (time) J. Tull-(This is a tough one)I'll have to go with Benefit. R. Stones-Sticky Fingers(Your Satanic Majesties Request gets more time) Yes-Close to the Edge(nudges out the Yes Album) Got off on a tangent here. But, oh well.....sweet release. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:04:30 -0500 From: "Neil E. Orts" Subject: Re: Grace and Joni At 12:04 PM -0500 2/7/01, Mike Hicks wrote: >I agree with you totally. Every Jone release is special, but Hejira >is a unique gem. For me, Hejira was a hard album to get into. Back in my earlier JMDL days, I stated openly that i didn't get. It's grown on me a lot, so my opinion had turned on it. There is an hypnotic quality to it that I had to sit through a few times to appreciate. The darker sounds of Jaco's bass is bothpart of the hypnosis and what took me a long time to get used to. I'm not sure I'm completely sold on Jaco's contribution, but then I'm a tasteless philistine worthy of little more than being stoned. :) But, yes, it's a set of great songs. I guess it's still growing on me. - -Neil can't really pick a favorite Joni album ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Neil E. Orts * Director/Student Services * Okay, you're a visionary. I'm a visionary. Office of Graduate Studies * Everyone here is a visionary. But what do University of Texas Austin * you do for a living? Main 101 -- 512/232-3626 * neo@mail.utexas.edu * from a cartoon by Eli Stein fax: 512/475-8851 * in the Chronicle for Higher Education ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:09:55 -0500 From: "Neil E. Orts" Subject: Re: Grace and Joni Has anyone been turned on to Joseph Arthur yet? I recently bought his Come to Where I'm From and like a lot of it. (Some is too dark for me, but it may still grow on me.) On his website (www.josepharthur.com), I saw him quoted in response to a grammy nomination for his album's graphics or design or something. He's a visual artist, too, like Joni, although very different in styles. What was interesting to me was that he felt a little odd about his recognition for his visual work when he felt that aspect was sort of his hobby, making music was his love and vocation. I found it an ironic contrast to Joni's repeated assertion that she's really a painter who has more success with her music. - -Neil ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Neil E. Orts * Director/Student Services * Okay, you're a visionary. I'm a visionary. Office of Graduate Studies * Everyone here is a visionary. But what do University of Texas Austin * you do for a living? Main 101 -- 512/232-3626 * neo@mail.utexas.edu * from a cartoon by Eli Stein fax: 512/475-8851 * in the Chronicle for Higher Education ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 09:41:28 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: Jazz Criticism >> Presenting Ken Burns' 144-hour Extremely Important Documentary, Jazz. >> >> Fade up on a grainy old photograph of a man in a three-piece suit, >> holding a cornet. Or a bicycle horn, it's hard to tell. >> >> Narrator: Skunkbucket LeFunke was born in 1876 and died in 1901. No >> one who heard him is alive today. The grandchildren of the people who >> heard him are not alive today. The great-grandchildren of the people >> who heard him are not alive today. He was never recorded. >> >> Wynton Marsalis: I'll tell you what Skunkbucket LeFunke sounded like. >> He had this big rippling sound, and he always phrased off the beat, >> and he slurred his notes. And when the Creole bands were still playing >> De-bah-de-bah-ta-da-tah, he was already playing >> Bo-dap-da-lete-do-do-do-bah! He was just like gumbo, ahead of his >> time. >> >> Announcer: LeFunke was a cornet player, gambler, card shark, pool >> hustler, pimp, male prostitute, Kelly Girl, computer programmer, brain >> surgeon, and he invented the Internet. >> >> Stanley Crouch: When people listened to Skunkbucket LeFunke, they >> heard Do-do-dee-bwap-da-dee-dee-de-da-da-doop-doop-dap. And they knew >> even then how deeply profound that was. >> >> Announcer: It didn't take LeFunke long to advance the art of jazz past >> its humble beginnings in New Orleans whoredom with the addition of a >> bold and sassy beat. >> >> Wynton: Let me tell you about the Big Four. Before the Big Four, jazz >> drumming sounded like BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick. But now they >> had the Big Four, which was so powerful some said it felt like a Six. >> A few visiting musicians even swore they were in an Eight. >> >> Stanley: It was smooth and responsive, and there was no knocking and >> pinging, even on 87 octane. >> >> Wynton: Even on gumbo. >> >> Announcer: When any musician in the world heard Louis Armstrong for >> the first time, they gnawed their arm off with envy, then said the >> angels probably wanted to sound like Louis. When you consider a bunch >> of angels talking in gruff voices and singing "Hello Dolly," you >> realize what a stupid aspiration that is. >> >> Gary Giddy: Louis changed jazz because he was the only cat going >> Do-da-dep-do-wah-be-be, while everyone else was doing >> Do-de-dap-dit-dit-dee. >> >> Stanley: And that was very profound. >> >> Marsalis: Like gumbo. >> >> Stanley: Uh-huh. >> >> Matt Glaser: I always have this fantasy that when Louis performed in >> Belgium, Heisenberg was in the audience and he was blown away and >> that's where he got the idea for his Uncertainty Principle. >> >> Marsalis: Because the Uncertainty Principle, applied to jazz, means >> you never know if a cat is going to go Dap-da-de-do-ba-ta-bah or >> Dap-da-de-do-bip-de-beep. >> >> Wynton: Louis was the first one to realize that. >> >> Stanley: And that can be very profound. >> >> Stanley: I thought it was a box of chocolates... >> >> Announcer: The Savoy Ballroom brought people of all races colors and >> political persuasions together to get sweaty as Europe moved closer >> and closer to the brink of World War II. >> >> Savoy Dancer: We didn't care what color you were at the Savoy. We only >> cared if you were wearing deodorant. >> >> Stanley: Wynton always wears deodorant. >> >> Glaser: I'll bet Arthur Murray was on the dance floor and he was >> thinking about Louis and that's where he got the idea to open a bunch >> of dance schools. >> >> Stanley: And that was very profound. >> >> Giddy: Let's talk about Louis some more. We've wasted three minutes of >> this 57-part documentary not talking about Louis. >> >> Wynton: He was an angel, a genius, much better than Cats. >> >> Stanley: He invented the word "Cats." >> >> Wynton: He invented swing, he invented jazz, he invented the >> telephone, the automobile, and the polio vaccine. >> >> Stanley: And the Internet. >> >> Wynton: Very profound. >> >> Announcer: Louis Armstrong turned commercial in the 1930s and didn't >> make any more breakthrough contributions to jazz. But it's not PC to >> point that out, so we'll be showing him in every segment of this >> series to come, even if he's just doing the same things as the last >> time you saw him. >> >> Glaser: I'll bet Chuck Yeager was in the audience when Louis was >> hitting those high Cs at the Earle Theater in Philadelphia, and that's >> what made him decide to break the sound barrier. >> >> Stanley: And from there go to Pluto. >> >> Wynton: I'm going to make some gumbo. >> >> Stanley: BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick... >> >> Giddy: Do-yap-do-wee-bah-scoot-scoot-dap-dap.... That's what all the >> cats were saying back then. >> >> Announcer: In 1964, John Coltrane was at his peak, Eric Dolphy was in >> Europe, where he would eventually die, the Modern Jazz Quartet was >> making breakthrough recordings in the field of Third Stream Music, >> Miles Davis was breaking new barrier with his second great quintet, >> and Charlie Mingus was extending jazz composition to new levels of >> complexity. But we're going to talk about Louis singing "Hello Dolly" >> instead. >> >> Stanley: Louis went, >> Ba-ba-yaba-do-do-dee-da-bebin-doo-wap-deet-deet-do-da-da. >> >> Wynton: Sweets went, >> Scoop-doop-shalaba-yaba-mokey-hokey-bwap-bwap-tee-tee-dee. >> >> Giddy: I go, Da-da-shoobie-doobie-det-det-det-bap-bap-baaaaa... >> >> Announcer: The rest of the history of jazz will be shown in fast >> forward and will occupy exactly seven seconds.... There, that was it. >> Now here are some scenes from Ken Burns' next documentary, a 97-part >> epic about the Empire State Building, titled The Empire State Building. >> "It is tall and majestic. It is America's building. It is the Empire >> State Building. Dozens of workers gave their lives in the construction >> of this building." >> >> Matt Glaser: I'll bet that they were thinking of Louis as they were >> falling to their deaths. I have this fantasy that his high notes >> inspired the immenseness of the Empire State Building. >> >> Wynton Marsalis: I'll bet most people who'd fall off the Empire State >> Building would go "Aaaaaahhhh!" But these cats went >> "Dee-dee-daba-da-da-bop-bop-de-dop-shewap-splat!" >> >> Announcer: That's next time on PBS. Sponsored by Viewers Like You. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Feb 01 13:10:44 EST From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: favorite Joni images Hi All! Some of my favorite Joni images (of the thousands) are; "Daylight falls upon the path, the forest falls behind. Today I am not prey to dark uncertainty" - --Joni the astute psychological perceiver "..And you want to get moving and you want to stay still. But lost in the moment some longing gets filled, and you even forget to ask "Hey, where's Barangrill" Joni the philosopher (sums up quite a few New Age books just in that one line). "Climb down, climb down, he says to me, from the middle of unrest, they think his light is squandered, but he sees a stray in the wilderness, and I see how far I've wandered" - -- the enigmatic Joni "He danced with a lady with a hole in his stocking, didn't it feel good?" - --the Romantic Joni Best, Jeff-nyc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:22:53 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Femme Fatale re-run It starts at 11:00AM PST, was just there. Click on the schedule. 11:00 AM to 3:00PM, that would begin 2:00PM EST Amelia playing now, yuk!!! How far into the program do you go on Kate? Rose in NJ The Sleuth, per Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:31:37 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Sweet, sweet, SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I received a "live" tape of Fonimitchell, and I am on my second listen. WOW!!!!!!!!!! These guys are good!! I love their interpretations, harmonies, and instrumental mixes. THANK YOU, Clive! Anyone wanting a copy of this, please send a blank cassette tape with a self- addressed, STAMPED return envelope, and I will be happy to make you a copy. Please send a note in it stating what you want, along with your e-mail address. Overseas listers can probably get it from Clive directly? Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 Hugs, Ashara {*REALLY* enjoying this!} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:27:04 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: unreleased songs, again - ----- Original Message ----- From: > WOW! Thanks Philip...that song had been brought to my attention, so I'm excited to hear it! Do you know if she contributed musically, lyrically, or both? > I don't know Bob. John Guerin produced the album and LA Express guys played on it. > > Now, wasn't O.C. Smith the "(Little Green) Apples" guy? Maybe Joni wrote the song for him because she thought he was singing about Kelly Dale? ;~) > He's a regular on oldies stations over here by virtue of a big hit in the 60's with Son Of Hickory Holler's Tramp. Never heard him in connection with Little Green Apples. Roger Miller had the hit with that one on this side of the water. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 10:59:57 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Femme Fatale re-run I'm tuned in too and waiting. I think Kate originally said she would start about 20 minutes in to the hour but I don't know if that is how it ended up.... RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > It starts at 11:00AM PST, was just there. Click on the schedule. 11:00 AM to > 3:00PM, that would begin 2:00PM EST Amelia playing now, yuk!!! > How far into the program do you go on Kate? - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:06:38 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Femme Fatale re-run we go on about an 70 minutes into the show, after the performer named Pi who is on right now... ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** - -----Original Message----- From: Phyliss Ward [mailto:pward@datacourse.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:00 AM To: RoseMJoy@aol.com Cc: kate@katebennett.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Femme Fatale re-run I'm tuned in too and waiting. I think Kate originally said she would start about 20 minutes in to the hour but I don't know if that is how it ended up.... RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > It starts at 11:00AM PST, was just there. Click on the schedule. 11:00 AM to > 3:00PM, that would begin 2:00PM EST Amelia playing now, yuk!!! > How far into the program do you go on Kate? - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:24:59 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Helga you go girl! SJC Ok so at 13 i reading thru Herr Herman Hesse started with Siddarthta, Steppenwolf,Travels to the East,The Glass Bead Game( read that over and over trying to invent the game itself!). Then my Aunt the English teacher who i have said in an previous post was trying not to allow me to turn into an Auto technocrat like both sides of my family in MOTOWN. Took me over to the CheckMate Lounge on Livermois and Six mile Road. To see her favorite folk Hunk Chuck M after he played his set, Joni came on and all it took was one simple folk song and i was a changed book nerd. I think i have declared in the Past posts that JM is a genius in composing the words and music in her songs and also has displayed this talent over the last 35 years in her life. I do agree with your feelings about joni, sometimes i trip over my genes in an unthinking way. I got the urge for going now with the geesein chevron flight bye - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 13:01:42 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Femme Fatale re-run Wow Kate! I really enjoyed hearing you live again! Congrats on a great show! - -- Phyliss, who must go get something done now away from her computer... np:the indiegrrls show! mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:08:16 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Femme Fatale re-run Kate my dear, it was just beautiful! I started to ball my eyes out during your last number, Irene. Made me think of my Mom. I was at the mercy of my telephone modem connection. It kept rebuffing. Damn!!! Much Love, Rose in your hometown state ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 18:45:36 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: DJRD live??? From what I remember reading about the song lists from Joni's '98 tour, there was 1 or 2 nights where she included DJRD. I happened to see her 4 times during that tour, but never managed to hear that song. I was just wondering if anyone had a recording from one of those nights that included this live version of DJRD. This is one of my fav's and would have loved to have heard it. Thanks, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:44:19 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Unreleased.... Hello Deb M. and Company, I'm workin' on the first installment....but yes there are all of those songs that don't seem to on an accessible recording. There are also those tunes that are written down...but noones heard her playing them...what would happen if I scanned the sheet music and sent it to those who can read music who would be willing to record their findings and let us all know what we've been missing all this time...? Any thouhgts? Take care, Julian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 19:43:19 -0600 From: Richard Rice Subject: Untreed melodies. I'm not sure how the website got their lyric sheets. I have an old Joni songbook that has several of them included. (Without the proper chords... alas.) If anyone would like photocopies of these melodies put to standard tunings, I'd be happy to photocopy them for you. John. ( a tad fearful of that trip down into the basement...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:25:20 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Joni and Severe depression I was told a while ago that Joni was hospitalized many times for severe depression.She definatly has been open about her depression in her interviews.Does anyone know if this is true?Like many people,I have experianced fairly severe depression myself.(though I don't like to label myself too much these days.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:41:00 +0000 From: Nancy Subject: JM Article from '74 and HDCD?? I was looking at my JM Songbook Vol. #1, and tucked inside I found an article from Time magazine, Dec. 16, 1974. Joni is on the cover. I don't even remember how I got this article, because the person whose subscription it's from is a mystery person to me! It's a well-written article. Fun to read, especially after having learned a little about Joni from this discussion list. I was just reading a *really* old digest that was still in my mailbox  "HDCD" was mentioned. It sounds like you have to have a special player for them. I am thinking about getting some CD's from Amazon.com (to use some gift certificates), and several of their CDs said "HDCD" on them. Can anyone tell me about this? Thanks, Nancy/IA PS: Thanks to those who responded to my question about "Parched ribs of sand" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:08:01 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: unreleased songs, again Hey Deb, I'm sorry to "hear" about the silence. I don't have hard information so I stayed away, but my memory was that someone got lyrics by researching copyrights. (Is that the right term?) Have you asked JJ or Gary Zack directly about this? Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:25:18 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Fwd: Jazz Criticism Jan, OMIGAWD THAT IS FUNNY! Thank you so much for this post! Lama Jan, the heretic, the blasphemer, said, [[------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 09:41:28 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: Jazz Criticism >> Presenting Ken Burns' 144-hour Extremely Important Documentary, Jazz. >> >> Fade up on a grainy old photograph of a man in a three-piece suit, >> holding a cornet. Or a bicycle horn, it's hard to tell. >> >> Narrator: Skunkbucket LeFunke was born in 1876 and died in 1901. No >> one who heard him is alive today. The grandchildren of the people who >> heard him are not alive today. The great-grandchildren of the people >> who heard him are not alive today. He was never recorded. >> >> Wynton Marsalis: I'll tell you what Skunkbucket LeFunke sounded like. >> He had this big rippling sound, and he always phrased off the beat, >> and he slurred his notes. And when the Creole bands were still playing >> De-bah-de-bah-ta-da-tah, he was already playing >> Bo-dap-da-lete-do-do-do-bah! He was just like gumbo, ahead of his >> time.]] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 21:23:27 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Chicago Joni Fans / Invitiation to a Joni listening night Jack Neilson is an "A" list type for ANY Joni gathering and IS living in the Chicago area. Make HIM play some of his originals as well. Paz on 2/6/01 12:07 PM, Merk54@aol.com at Merk54@aol.com wrote: > Neil, > > Welcome back. Yes, there are a few of us Joni fans in Chicago, or at least in > my case, a suburb of Chicago. Drop me a line when you get to town. > > I have a Joni listening party once every month or two. Currently it's just me > and a lady friend, but hey, the more the merrier, so if there are any other > listers in the Chicago area who would like to participate, let me know. > > The format changes every time we do this, but it's always just Joni. > Typically, we each pick a set of three songs, trying to be as creative as > possible with the match ups, and it becomes kind of a competition - who can > come up with the hottest set. Last time, we had a small wrinkle in that one > person would pick the album, and the other person had to pick the song. That > was pretty fun. Then we always end the evening by playing one album from > start to finish. > > Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:39:35 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Femme Fatale re-run Kate, I caught the whole show today and you (and Jeff) were just GREAT! An A+ in every category! I think your stage presence and storytelling rivals Joni and your singing was beautiful. Great repartee from the JMDL chat room audience, too. I cracked up everytime the host mentioned "Paas" instead of Paz (sounds like "Paws") - heehee. Congratulations on a first-rate performance! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:13:50 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Unreleased.... - --- Julian51469@aol.com wrote: > Hello Deb M. and Company, > > I'm workin' on the first installment....but yes > there are all of those songs that don't seem to on > an accessible recording. There are also those tunes > that are written down...but noones heard her playing > them...what would happen if I scanned the sheet > music and sent it to those who can read music who > would be willing to record their findings and let us > all know what we've been missing all this time...? > Any thouhgts? > Take care, > Julian Yes! Yes! Yes! That would be SO excellent! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:54:11 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: riding the train through Saskatoon Hi Gregg, riding the folk train sounds like SO much fun! I wish I could do that. I will be at the Folk Alliance, & I know Steve Dulson will be there too. I am showcasing on Saturday night (or is it Snday morning?) at 1:40 with Taylor Guitars, if you get a chance to stop by, please introduce yourself to me! I bet Kakki or someone from LA could tell you about where Joni lived...I would be interested in knowing that too. If I could have had a parrallel life, it would have been living in Laurel Canyon & hanging out with all those musicians during that time. >>>Hey folks, I'm jumping on a train out to Vancouver, BC this Friday. Heading out to the National Folk Alliance Conference, (any JMDLer's gonna be there?). I'm riding THE CANADIAN (www.folktrain.com)<<<< _____________________ ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:36:58 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Femme Fatale re-run In a message dated 2/7/01 10:55:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << Great repartee from the JMDL chat room audience, too. I cracked up everytime the host mentioned "Paas" instead of Paz (sounds like "Paws") - heehee. >> I agree, that was pretty funny. That Paz is quite the comedian. I don't know how Kate kept it together, I would have been cracking up. - -Rose ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:38:38 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Painting with Word misprint? Jerry wrote: > Speaking of PWWAM I was dismayed to read on Amazon the negative comments > about the sound and video quality of the DVD. There are too many to > ignore. Do you think it is a defect of some kind like the infamous > skipping on the BSN cd? I remember a lot of people talking about their disappointment with the sound quality on this video, especially since Joni was one of the producers. I'm pretty sure the concensus was that it was like that on purpose, for whatever reasons. I don't remember any problems with the video quality, though. Mine is absolutely fine, and for the record, I had no problem with the sound either. It's hard enough to find (in NZ) video footage of Joni in the right format, without complaining that there's too much bass (or whatever)! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:44:17 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: riding the train through Saskatoon I know that Elliot Roberts (who was Joni's first manager) was located at 8321 Lookout Mountain in LA. I learned that from an early promotional photo I happen to have. It read at the bottom Elliot Roberts Lookout Mgt. Ltd. AFA 8321 Lookout Mountain Ave. Ashley Famous Agency, Inc. Los Angeles, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:24:19 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Femme Fatale re-run wow, thats a really incredible review--thanks so much kakki!!!! we did have fun even though that kind of live tv/web kind of atmosphere (bright, hot lights, not really hearing how it sounds, etc, not to mention seeing the video right in front of us, --ack, don't look!) makes it so hard to get into a mood... so i am glad i was somewhat coherant...when i start rambling, i never know where i am gonna end up (ask jeff!) anyway, it was just the BOMB having the jmdlers there in the chat room (yes, to me it sounded like she was calling him Pause, like on a tape deck!) thanks to all of you for such incredible support!!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** - -----Original Message----- From: Kakki [mailto:KakkiB@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 7:40 PM To: Kate Bennett; Phyliss Ward; RoseMJoy@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Femme Fatale re-run Kate, I caught the whole show today and you (and Jeff) were just GREAT! An A+ in every category! I think your stage presence and storytelling rivals Joni and your singing was beautiful. Great repartee from the JMDL chat room audience, too. I cracked up everytime the host mentioned "Paas" instead of Paz (sounds like "Paws") - heehee. Congratulations on a first-rate performance! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:50:20 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Subject: riding the train through Saskatoon Kate wrote: > I bet Kakki or someone from LA could tell you about >where Joni lived...I would be interested in knowing that >too. I don't know the house number but it is on Lookout Mountain Avenue, right off Laurel Canyon Blvd. near the Canyon General Store. I recommend that Gregg and others who plan to visit, or are interested, get the book "The L.A. Musical History Tour, A Guide to the Rock and Roll Landmarks of Los Angeles," by Art Fein. It has so many great stories of the landmarks and gives locations. There is a photo of Joni's Laurel Canyon house on page 97. I think Steve Dulson may have a better "fix" on it. > If I could have had a parrallel life, it would have been >living in Laurel Canyon & hanging out with all > those musicians during that time. Oh, you and me both!!! Can you imagine the all that music wafting down through the canyon everyday? Too much! Gregg, hope that some of the other local jmdlers and I can meet up with you when you get to L.A. Please keep us posted - and you all have a fantastic time up in B.C.! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:58:54 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Fwd: Jazz Criticism At 10:25 PM 2/7/01 -0500, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >Jan, >OMIGAWD THAT IS FUNNY! > >Thank you so much for this post! > >Lama Thank you. I got it from the Miles Davis list. Man, I hate Wynton Marsalis, but just seeing Miles with that second quintet (with Wayne Shorter) was awesome. He's the coolest! - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 00:54:03 -0600 From: Richard Rice Subject: Re: Untreed melodies...oops. Oooops indeed. In my zelousness to offer photocopies of the early standard tunings, I forgot about the ever fabulous and outstanding guitar section on JMDL. All those tunnies are probably already there. (I haven't checked.) O well, I do have one too silly to mention Joni item no one else has... if I can find the darned thing... back to the basement in search mode... John. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #45 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?