From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #40 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, February 3 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 040 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Covert complicity;notches ["Megan" ] Re: Joni Cover Alert [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Parched Ribs of Sand ["Gerald" ] Petrified wood ["Megan" ] aimee mann alert [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Parched Ribs of Sand [Merk54@aol.com] Re: favorite image [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: Your nachos? Liberation, doll! ["Mark or Travis" ] more favorites ["Mark or Travis" ] PBS Home video CSN ["Janine Sherman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:19:19 -0500 From: "Megan" Subject: Re: Covert complicity;notches - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Covert complicity;notches > In a message dated 2/2/01 4:28:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, > anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > << So maybe if you're "polite" and you act > the way others expect you to act, you won't be burned > (literally or figuratively.) Somehow I don't think > I'm expressing this very well, so hope you understand > what I mean. >> > You've explained it perfectly Catherine. That's how I interpret her lyrics > here as well. I know some of you may not want to hear this, but Joni has been > influenced by Occultism (The Tarot, Astrology, I Ching) at some point in her > life. Scorpions are attracted to such things and it was very popular in the > 60's/early seventies. I think Wally can vouch for me on this one as we've > discussed this. > It's just been my observation and the way I see things. > > -Rose Rose, I had heard that as well many years ago, and she herself indicates it in "Song for Sharon": There's a gypsy down on Bleeker Street I went in to see her as a kind of joke And she lit a candle for my love luck And eighteen bucks went up in smoke. So I definitly think you're right on this one, Rose.Thanks for the input--- Peace, Megan :~) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:44:07 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Cover Alert << his forthcoming compilation album will include a Joni cover - >> Azeem, You say this is a comp, which means this version of ACOY is most likely the same one he released on his CD "Take Me Home"...we've got it, and it's a beauty! Better than Krall IMO! Bob NP: Morning Morgantown, from Second Fret Sets ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:59:32 -0600 From: "Gerald" Subject: Re: Parched Ribs of Sand Leslie wrote: Since I'm a visually oriented person in my mind's eye I can see those "parched ribs" as mounds of sand on the beach that are created by the tides. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I always wondered what that was all about. I like this interpretation, Leslie. It seems so obvious to me now. Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:48:08 -0500 From: "Megan" Subject: Petrified wood Hi Rose, I found this entire post utterly fascinating. I have to go look this stuff up in my old psychology books on Jung-- it was so long ago I don't remember any of this (or was possibly asleep in class--should have paid attention!) This helps to completely pull the whole thing together for me---thank you SO much. After 25 years , thanks to you, Catherine, Barbara and Mark, I finally feel like I have a good grasp on it. *I love this list!* Gratefully, Megan :~) > The anima is the female aspect present in the collective unconscious of men, and the animus is the male >aspect present in the collective unconscious of women.Together, they are referred to as syzygy.The anima >may be personified as a young girl,very spontaneous and intuitive, or as a witch, or as the earth mother. >It is likely to be associated with deep emotionality and the force of life itself.The animus may be personified >as a wise old man, a sorcerer, or often a number of males,and tends to be logical, often rationalistic, even argumentative> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:10:15 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: aimee mann alert For you Aimee Mann lovers on the list, she is scheduled to appear on tonight's Letterman show. Have a nice weekend, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:29:50 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Parched Ribs of Sand I might be looking at all wrong, but I always saw this as Joni being brutally honest about her participation in this relationship. One minute she thinks he's foolish and childish, the next he just needs love and understanding. One minute she is giving him her warm body, and the next she is yelling at him to Grow Up!. One minute she's surf rising (bouyant, lifting him, supporting him, giving him a ride if you will) the next minute she parched ribs of sand at his side (scratchy, irritating - like sand in your underwear). ,,,And on love the strongest poison and medicine of all Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:03:53 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: favorite image Mike, Thanks for the compliment, but we all have good taste on this list, eh? The song I'm referring to below is For The Roses. Terry In a message dated 2/1/2001 8:02:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, m_hicks@aiken.k12.sc.us writes: << On your mark red ribbon runner > The caressing rev of motors > Finely tuned like fancy women > In thirties evening gowns > > Terry Terry, You have good taste. Lyrics don't get any better than this. Can't you just see all this as she sings it? It's one of the things that sets her apart from others. I'm drawing a blank on the last one. Where did that one come from? >> www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:24:16 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Your nachos? Liberation, doll! Jung's concept (easy enough to do), > or blatently ignoring it in an attempt (in the lyric > anyways) to connect herself with a feminine power. > This is what I was thinking. I haven't read or studied Jung but I have looked anima & animus up in the dictionary. It seems to me she is referring to the feminine spirit, period. Not necessarily in the male pysche. That and the reference to 'a vengeful little goddess' is why I speculated that the reference might be to a stone or wooden idol. I'm certainly not convinced that that is the case. But my gut has always told me that the male in the song is telling the woman that she is responsible for his weakness & dissolution. She is reducing the living 'tall timber' of his masculinity & virility' down to nothing but hard, unyielding & lifeless 'rock.' He refers to the glasses of wine he drinks as her 'notches' as if she feels some kind of satisfaction or victory at making him into a drunk. All through the song he is blaming her for his downfall while trying to assert his superiority & right to be deferred to. She has finally had enough of it and is absolving herself of that responsibility. No more will she accept the 'guilt of Eden' and she has called on the female spirit to cleanse, release & acquit her of this false charge. As to 'in flames our prophet witches', I think that's a reference to times when women who were unmarried, independent & intelligent or skilled in healing or had special talents or were just different from the 'norm' in some way were sometimes accused, convicted & burned as witches. It was another way that women were subjugated to patriarchal rule. If a woman was intelligent with an independent spirit she'd better hide it or 'be polite' as it were. Otherwise the consequences could be dire. I hope nobody thinks I sound like I have *the* definitive interpretation of this or any other lyric. I certainly don't intend to convey that. I agree that we all see Joni's songs from our own perspectives and there is no one 'right' way to interpret them. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:26:45 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Covert complicity;notches > How about this? People, usually women, were burned at > the stake for being "witches". These so-called > witches were often wise women or healers - they had a > power or an insight that many people didn't have (thus > prophets), but because they didn't fit into the usual > norm, or because someone else was jealous of them, > they would be cast into the role of "witch" or heretic > and burned. So maybe if you're "polite" and you act > the way others expect you to act, you won't be burned > (literally or figuratively.) Somehow I don't think > I'm expressing this very well, so hope you understand > what I mean. I think you expressed it better than I did in my 'corkscrew English.' I wish I'd read your post before I sent my last one. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:01:45 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: more favorites Still the winter days unfold Like magazines fading in dusty gray attics and cellars - ----- Come down from the neon nights Run down from the tourist sights Run down where the rain delights you You do not hide Sunlight will renew your pride Skin white by skin golden - ----- Give me some time I feel like I'm losing mine Out here on this horizon line With the earth spinning & the sky forever rushing - ----- I'm just living on nerves & feelings With a weak & a lazy mind And coming to people's parties Fumbling, deaf, dumb & blind - ----- A woman I knew just drowned herself The well was deep & muddy She was just shaking off futility Or punishing somebody My friends were calling up all day yesterday All emotions and abstractions It seems we all live so close to that line And so far from satisfaction - ----- Once in awhile in a big blue moon There comes a night like this Like some surrealist Invented this night ride home Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 23:51:53 -0500 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: PBS Home video CSN Reporting a Joni moment (not even close to Les', but OK for Pennsylvania) Tonight my husband and I were watching our PBS Home Video of CSN in 1991 from San Fran's Warfield Theatre and all through it I am blabbing about Joni's associations with these guys through the years and he keeps saying," I don't see any "her" up there, let's just listen to them- in other words "could you please shut up about JONI" and then near the finale when Graham sits down at the piano to play "Our House" he says right into the mike " God Bless you, Joni" Of course, I jumped up and rewound it and played it real LOUD!!!!!!!! Do unto others as you would like done to you Janine Sherman@netrax.net ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #40 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?