From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #36 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, January 31 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 036 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- post-klein? ["Janine Sherman" ] Covert complicity;notches ["Megan" ] Re: Review posted at Outvoice [catman ] Favorite Joni lyrics/images ["Alice Sebrell" ] Thinking too much about the Grammy Awards ["kerry" ] Re: Favorite aLBUM [Michael Paz ] pontoon planes [BarBearUh ] Thinking too much about the Grammy Awards ["cassy" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #35 [Mg41mk34@aol.com] post-Klein? ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Come In From The Cold and fav lines ["Nikki Johnson" Subject: post-klein? I thought she was with him through the recording of Turbulent Indigo????? Janine Sherman@netrax.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:53:34 -0500 From: "Megan" Subject: Covert complicity;notches Mark said: >We've gone over this one before.I still say(and will go to my grave > saying it unless Siquomb herself tells me personally that I am dead > wrong)that the man is referring to the room full of glasses from the > previous line.Those glasses are 'your notches' like a gunfighter's > notches on his gunbelt or notches on a bedpost. He's saying,"You > made me a drunk with your independent, uppity, competitive > (unfeminine) ways. You can chalk every glass of wine I drank up to > your score.' They're your notches, liberation doll.' Liberation doll > is a sneering & derisive name he's throwing at her. Men used to call > women they were attracted to doll at one time. Just watch some of > those old Humphrey Bogart movies. Hi Mark, First, I have to say this is one of my favorite JM songs of all time, as well as a source of endless speculation for me.I also agree with much of your very interesting interpretation of these lines, but I've wondered if the 'notches' also could refer to JM herself, as being just another 'notch' on his bedpost, far more degrading to a woman than simply saying," You drove me to drink with your independent ways".For a woman to be made to feel by the man she loves as nothing more than a sexual conquest is even worse, IMO.Since the last line of the song indicates he was cheating on her,( " it takes a heart like Mary's these days when your man gets weak") But your explanation also fits in with the crude " liberation doll " comment he makes to her, attempting to make her feel responsible for his own weaknesses. Interesting... Now, about the line, " And he chains me with that serpent to that Ethiopian wall ": Could mean that she feels enslaved ( as the Ethiopians have been) to him , possibly by love, or perhaps by sex,or both. Remember the line," We walked on the moon, you be polite"- it all ties in. Maybe you or someone out there could help me with " Petrified wood process tall timber down to rock". I realize in the preceding lines she's finally getting up the courage to leave this loser, proclaiming her independence("Since I was 17 I've had noone over me"), but I've always struggled with this next line, so * help* !! Thanks for your interesting post. BW, Megan NP: Fiona Apple-- "On the Bound" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:47:08 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Review posted at Outvoice The reviewer obviously has great reverence for Joni. jonifan@clearsong.com wrote: > I couldn't resist sending this review posted by Robert Urban to the outvoice mailing list. I'm particularly intrigued by his description of the "Joni hole". Never quite saw it that way myself. > > >Outvoice CD Review > >LET IT FALL > >Artist - RICHARD ISEN > >Review by Robert Urban ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:11:38 -0400 From: "Alice Sebrell" Subject: Favorite Joni lyrics/images Here are some of my melancholy favorites from Blue: It's coming on Christmas They're cutting down trees They're putting up reindeer And singing songs of joy and peace Oh I wish I had a river I could skate away on and Child with a child pretending Weary of lies you are sending home So you sign all the papers in the family name You're sad and you're sorry, but you're not ashamed Little green, have a happy ending What a great thread this continues to be. Alice in Asheville ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:11:10 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Thinking too much about the Grammy Awards Does anyone else feel conflicted about award shows, namely the Grammys? I've always had major problems with them, but yet I still watch and cheer if someone I like "wins." My problems with them are: 1) They usually ignore a VAST number of talented (yet lesser known) artists, 2) The categories are too broad and they end up throwing very different artists together (for example, Joni and Christina A. - light years away from each other musically). 3) They supposedly honor musical quality, but most of the nominees are groups who have sold millions of albums in the past year. With all of these problems, I will still watch and hope Joni wins. Is this weird or what? Can anyone help me with this debilitating problem? I may need therapy.....:>) Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:50:35 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Favorite aLBUM OH MY GAWD! Jack delurked and posted. STOP THE PRESSES LES!!! I knew it would be Blue that would drag your ass out of the shadows. Ladies of the Canyon and Song To A Seagull must have been up there for you too. Your perfomance of Blue Boy and That Song About The Midway at Pazfest last year were OVER the top for me (as well as EVERYONE else from the list). One thing about your post here is, for me, almost every Joni song out there has something for me. Welcome to the list officially oh brother of mine. Just a little secret for the rest of the list. Jack was the second person in my life (after Julie in Paris 1971) to inspire me toward the acoustic guitar. That will be thirty years ago come September. Whoa! Love Paz NP-Faraway Girl-the subdudes on 1/29/01 11:43 PM, Jack Neilson at decaffno@earthlink.net wrote: > If I'm doin this right, just had to say how nice it is to read identical > responses to BLUE from the start....There was something SO safe about Blue, > for me, at that time in my life....cannot explain it...don't need to..Nothing > else has ever come that close .........There was a song for me..........on > every cut...... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:51:47 -0500 From: BarBearUh Subject: pontoon planes Steve Dulson wrote: > >Barbearuh wrote: > >lately one of my favorites has been popping into my head often, as i'm > >working on a video for a national park with a beautiful shot of a plane > >shadow traversing a glacier with sapphire blue pools... > > When I first read this I thought you were planning the video, > and wanted to recommend that the plane shadow be a floatplane > (Joni calls them pontoon planes) like a De Havilland Canada > Twin Otter or Beaver. it is a beaver! it's a little plane shadow floating and disappearing and reappearing and stretching and contracting as it falls in and out of the cracks of this alaskan glacier. it's a really stunning shot - filmed on super16mm and transferred to HDTV. joni floats in my head everytime i see it, completely taking over the film score in my mind. this has been a great thread - it really makes joni shine in a big way to see these isolated lines carry so much meaning and imagery with them. just like jericho, i said, let these walls come tumbling down barbara np: erykah badu, mama's gun ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:05:02 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Thinking too much about the Grammy Awards kerry asked: >>> Does anyone else feel conflicted about award shows, namely the Grammys? I've always had major problems with them, but yet I still watch and cheer if someone I like "wins." My problems with them are: 1) They usually ignore a VAST number of talented (yet lesser known) artists, 2) The categories are too broad and they end up throwing very different artists together (for example, Joni and Christina A. - light years away from each other musically). 3) They supposedly honor musical quality, but most of the nominees are groups who have sold millions of albums in the past year. <<< I feel that same conflict kerry. Like last year when Christina Aguilera beat out Susan Tedeschi I was not really surprised but it made no sense to me, musically, at all. People vote for what they're familiar with, I guess, and what they're familiar with is the music that's rammed down our throats on the radio these days. Unfortunately, this won't change any time soon. The highest CD sales are in the age 13-17 category, kids today have a huge amount of disposable income and they spend it on music (or they talk their parents into buying it for them)... hence the teeny-bopper diet we're fed on most (not all) radio stations. I have to say though, I'm like you... I'll be watching and hoping that Joni does win a Grammy. Besides, it's getting fashionable to like Joni so maybe we'll see a miracle and she'll sweep all the categories BSN is nominated in. Cassy who hates being fashionable NP: The Tubes "Wild Women of Wongo" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:53:49 EST From: Mg41mk34@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #35 I never post on here, I just skim through most of the time. My favorite singer is Linda Ronstadt, but I have many Joni albums and have seen her a few times. I was in the mood for a new Joni album, the ones I have are: Blue Chalk Marks In A Rainstorm Court & Spark Night Ride Home Turbulent Indigo The Hissing Of Summer Lawns Dog Eat Dog Mingus Anyway, I went to Tower Records today here in Boston, I really wanted to get a copy of her singing Both Sides Now, her old version. I would have gotten the album Both Sides Now if I wouldn't have been able to find the old version. They had almost nothing! They were out of, well all they had were, Miles Of Isles, Song for a Seagull and Turbulent Indigo and that was it! I was suprised and ended up getting nothing! I am needing a new Joni fix. Just thought I would share. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:56:33 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: post-Klein? Janine wrote : "I thought she was with him through the recording of Turbulent Indigo?????" According to Joni's own words, the couple broke up on the day recording for T.I. began. Must've been a little tense in there..."Last Chance Lost, in the tyranny of a long goodbye..." - -Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:57:10 -0500 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: Come In From The Cold and fav lines Patricia wrote: > > She also says in "Come In From the Cold", which BTW is a song that I love: > I feel your legs under the table > Leaning into mine > I feel renewed > I feel disabled > By these bonfires in my spine > I don't know who the arsonist was > Which incendiary soul > But all I ever wanted... > > I used to try to make this conform to some idea of sexual > awakening, but the > problem was, wouldn't she know who the "arsonist" was if that was the > meaning? So I think that she means bon-fires as back-pain, post-polio > syndrome, the arsonist being the "incendiary soul" from whom she > contracted > polio. I t makes sense to me, but ...what is it doing in this > song, in this > verse? Well I can't say exactly what Joni meant cause I wasn't there...but when I hear it I think of 2 very passionate people, two people with a fire inside so to speak. In my own experience when two people like this get together it's not really evident who was the one to initiate the blaze that follows, as it just happens with no explanation or understanding. It takes over your who body...that warmth is so comforting and needed...."all I ever wanted was to come in from the cold". That's just my spin on it. I have enjoyed reading the favorite lines posts as some of them really hit me, and make me think, some of them I didn't think of myself but hit me when I saw them. Jericho being one of them. Also the above lines from Come In From The Cold. I'm sure I could have a list a mile long but I'll stop there. Love Nikki np: The Chain~ Fleetwood Mac (12-16-94 Switzerland) "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #36 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?