From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #35 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, January 30 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 035 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Subject: Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchell's work ["Greer, ] Fav Joni Albums and most impressing Lyric ["Ross, Les" ] RE: Fav Joni Albums and most impressing Lyric ["Chris Marshall" ] favourite images - poignancy; irony ["Brett Code" ] Re: Covers volume 13 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Fwd: What is your most admired image in Mitchel's work? [DXDABOMB1@aol.co] thought of the day ["Brett Code" ] Re: Favorite Joni lines/images [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] favorite lines/images [Emily Kirk Gray ] Re: Favorite Joni lines/images [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Covert Complicity, notches [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Covert Complicity, notches ["c Karma" ] Re: Covert Complicity, notches ["c Karma" ] A Case of You [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Covert Complicity, notches ["c Karma" ] Favorite Lyrics [LeslieMixon@aol.com] Another fave line [LeslieMixon@aol.com] re: Favorite Joni image ["c Karma" ] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [Don Rowe ] re: Favorite Joni image ["c Karma" ] Pontoon Planes (VLJC) [Steve Dulson ] Hinton's Blasphemy ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re: A Case of You ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Anniversary of Gene Autry show... [Steve Dulson ] Re: Favorite Lyrics [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [Don Rowe ] Re: A Case of You + Jericho [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [Don Rowe ] Words in Oils ["william" ] Another killer image plucked from a song chock-full of 'em [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD [jan gyn ] Re: The Midnight Cowboy Song [Catherine McKay ] Re: A Case of You + Jericho ["Kakki" ] re: Favorite Joni image [Alison E ] Fav lyrics [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Favorite Joni lines/images [Scott Price ] Review posted at Outvoice [jonifan@clearsong.com] Re: The Midnight Cowboy Song ["gene mock" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:31:22 +0200 From: "Greer, Ron" Subject: Subject: Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchell's work hi "Yesterday, a child came out to wonder" "an angry man is an angry man but an angry woman, bitch!" "a case of you" "it was the hexagram of the heavens, the strings of this guitar" i must add that this thread has been a real revelation to me. viewing the images in isolation gives so much more time & scope to appreciate them, and being posted by differing people somehow lets one look at the image through someone elses eyes, & brings such an appreciation of the beauty & depth of the writing - it really does something for me. how about some kind of a daily lyric posting - like a "thought for the day" joni style? ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:46:14 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Fav Joni Albums and most impressing Lyric HI again, Hope you're all well out there! For me "Hissing" and "Hejira" together make an almighty duality. Inevitably that view is informed by the occasion of their release and my hearing them. I was in my early-mid teens. I have been reading the new articles that Les (Irvin) has been posting on the JMDL and have been staggered by the poor reviews they received and the snide tone taken by the reviewers. I still listen to these albums and they continue to be very fresh to listen to. Sure, they call me back to an earlier time in my life, but not every time I listen to them. They are still, especially Hejira, valid today, with what I experience today. Retaining, after all this time, a currency little of current mucical output can match. My current fav lyric, and one that goes 'round my head a lot these days - can't think why... "During times like these The wise are influential. They can bear the imperfection They can keep the harmony. No doubt about it. No doubt, that's essential. No doubt? That's always been a tricky one for me..." excuse any misuse of punctuation, but that is how I hear it and how it becomes relevant and resonant for me. All the best, babes. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 05:51:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: thought of the day i like this idea, ron! it's so monastic! let's start today: i propose: ''love's a repetitious danger'' wallyK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. i must add that this thread has been a real revelation to me. viewing the images in isolation gives so much more time & scope to appreciate them, and being posted by differing people somehow lets one look at the image through someone elses eyes, & brings such an appreciation of the beauty & depth of the writing - it really does something for me. how about some kind of a daily lyric posting - like a "thought for the day" joni style? ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:02:28 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Fav Joni Albums and most impressing Lyric Les said:- >For me "Hissing" and "Hejira" together make an almighty duality. I suspect for me that it's Hejira and DJRD. The lyrics and music blew my mind when I first listened to them. Still do, as a matter of fact. From Jericho:- Anyone will tell you Just how hard it is to make and keep a friend Maybe they'll short sell you Or maybe it's you Judas, in the end When you just can no longer pretend That you're getting what you need Or you're giving out anything for them to grow and feed on This just does it for me so much... it's just so descriptive of that time when close friends might perhaps be turning into more than that: summing up the uncertainty and doubt (and perhaps) pain that can go along with this. This balances out with the previous verse: I'll try to keep myself open up to you And approve your self expression I need that, too I need your confidence, baby And the gift of your extra time In turn I'll give you mine Sweet darling, it's a rich exchange It seems to me It's a warm arrangement! Oh! I need to go listen to this song now. Which is a pity because I'm sitting at the front of a training class, waiting for my students to finish a leb exercise. - --Chris (in Cambridge, misty eyed just from writing this...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:34:47 -0300 From: mintagli@email.ypf.com.ar Subject: Re: what is your most admired image in Mitchell's work I love this one: I'm always running behind the time just like this train shaking into town with the brakes complaining ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:06:34 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: Favorite Album For me, it depends on what is going on. Just got some bad news a couple weeks ago. The result: Hejira, Ladies of the Canyon, Blue. Last time I had to choose a favourite, it was FTR. This time, Hejira's back on top. Brett, sitting in the dark, by candle light ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:27:21 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: favourite images - poignancy; irony She finds the soft spots, the weaknesses, points them out in poetry and leaves us to reflect and perhaps to act: Six hundred thousand doctors Are putting on Rubber gloves And they're poking at the miseries made of love. Does Jackson Brown really think that song is about him? There is just sooo much more to it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:29:17 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers volume 13 <> I respect that opinion too, Deb, but like you I'll take my Joni in context, out of context, performed by her or by others, live or in the studio! I admit and revel in my sluthood! :~) Glad you got #13 all right and found it tasty! Bob NP: Jackson Browne, "Walking Slow" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:31:54 EST From: DXDABOMB1@aol.com Subject: Fwd: What is your most admired image in Mitchel's work? Hi, Please see the following email. Thanks. Jim Return-path: From: DXDABOMB1@aol.com Full-name: DXDABOMB1 Message-ID: <9d.108df109.27a7794f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:56:31 EST Subject: What is your most admired image in Mitchel's work? To: mailto:joni@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10501 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Hi, This is Jim From New Jersey. First time writing into the JMDL. Most admired image of Joni's work? Too many to write, that's for sure. But a few especially meaningful ones follow: "You could have been more Than a name on the door On the thirty-third floor in the air More than a credit card Swimming pool in the backyard" "But you know it's hard to tell When you're in the spell if it's wrong or if it's real But you're bound to lose If you let the blues get you scared to feel" "I remember that time you told me, you said, Love is touching souls Well surely you touched mine" "You're always disappointed Nothing seems to keep you high Drive your bargains Push your papers Win your medals F*ck your strangers Don't it leave you on the empty side" I could go on and on. Thanks for the opportunity to share this with all of you. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:32:32 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: thought of the day Joni's timeless reminder that change is the only constant: We're captive on the carousel of time We can't return we can only look behind From where we came (Can you read those words without singing the rest of the chorus? Does it remind you of a happier time?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:37:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite Joni lines/images <<"You've got to shake your fists at lightning now You've got to roar like forest fire You've got to spread your light like blazes all across the sky>> Thought about these lines last night, after I talked to Mags about Brian...be strong, my brother! I believe in the power of focused prayer. I would ask any who would participate to lift Brian in your thoughts today around 11:00 East Coast time. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:44:41 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: favorite lines/images one of them: "but even on the scuffle the cleaner's press was in my jeans and any eye for detail caught a little lace along the seams" so much wistfulness and pride in just those four lines! i love it. - -- emily, who has also been, at one time or another, "a hopeful in rooms like this, when i was working cheap" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:02:34 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite Joni lines/images In a message dated 1/30/01 8:45:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << I believe in the power of focused prayer. I would ask any who would participate to lift Brian in your thoughts today around 11:00 East Coast time. >> I believe too. I just know that Brian is going to be fine. God Bless Brian and Mags and the surgeons who will be performing his surgery today. I thank God for their skills. Rose in NJ lighting a candle in front of the Madonna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:07:26 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Covert Complicity, notches In a message dated 1/30/01 1:38:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, p.a.oconnor@worldnet.att.net writes: > I don't know who the arsonist was > Which incendiary soul > But all I ever wanted... > I always took this to mean that she doesn't know if he (the person whose leg is leaning into to hers) or she is the arsonist (the one who got things started). Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:09:46 From: "c Karma" Subject: Re: Covert Complicity, notches Mark, I'm with you on the dropped apostrophe for smile('s). Either way, the line simply says, "Can I trust you, or are you playing me?" Still not sure about "notches liberation doll" but the more I think about it the more I connect it with Rolling Stone's salacious publication of the flow chart of Joni's love life, starting the feud. The line following it, "and he pins me with that serpent to that Ethiopian wall" possibly describing her feeling diminished, isolated and removed by means of pigeon holing (you know how Joni LOVES a label) on the basis of sexual politics, in respect to her artistic status. This is all speculation and conjecture, of course. It will likely remain for the individual to apply what association, if any he or she will and as I've said before, I'm just fine with that. CC "Who you gonna get to do the dirty work when all the slaves are free?"--JM >From: "Mark or Travis" >To: "c Karma" , >Subject: Re: Covert Complicity, notches >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:52:03 -0800 > > > "Do your smiles covert complicity, debase as it admires?" -- what's >that > > about? read Pat's post... > >Ok, had to look at the lyrics sheet on this one to be sure I was right >about what it says. > >First of all the line reads: "Does your smiles covert complicity >debase as it admires?" I think there should be an apostrophe in >smile's, making it possessive. This makes covert an adjective >describing complicity. In other words does that smile posess a hidden >agenda that you expect me to be your accomplice in achieving? Are you >admiring me, thinking what a beautiful, wonderful person I am or are >you undressing me in your mind & thinking of doing very, very naughty >& nasty things to me? > > > As for "you're notches liberation doll", I really don't have a clue. >" > >We've gone over this one before. I still say (and will go to my grave >saying it unless Siquomb herself tells me personally that I am dead >wrong) that the man is referring to the room full of glasses from the >previous line. Those glasses are 'your notches' like a gunfighter's >notches on his gunbelt or notches on a bedpost. He's saying, 'You >made me a drunk with your independent, uppity, competitive >(unfeminine) ways. You can chalk every glass of wine I drank up to >your score. They're your notches, liberation doll.' Liberation doll >is a sneering & derisive name he's throwing at her. Men used to call >women they were attracted to doll at one time. Just watch some of >those old Humphrey Bogart movies. > >That's my story & I'm sticking to it! > >Mark in Seattle > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:10:04 From: "c Karma" Subject: Re: Covert Complicity, notches Mark, I'm with you on the dropped apostrophe for smile('s). Either way, the line simply says, "Can I trust you, or are you playing me?" Still not sure about "notches liberation doll" but the more I think about it the more I connect it with Rolling Stone's salacious publication of the flow chart of Joni's love life, starting the feud. The line following it, "and he pins me with that serpent to that Ethiopian wall" possibly describing her feeling diminished, isolated and removed by means of pigeon holing (you know how Joni LOVES a label) on the basis of sexual politics, in respect to her artistic status. This is all speculation and conjecture, of course. It will likely remain for the individual to apply what association, if any he or she will and as I've said before, I'm just fine with that. CC "Who you gonna get to do the dirty work when all the slaves are free?"--JM >From: "Mark or Travis" >To: "c Karma" , >Subject: Re: Covert Complicity, notches >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:52:03 -0800 > > > "Do your smiles covert complicity, debase as it admires?" -- what's >that > > about? read Pat's post... > >Ok, had to look at the lyrics sheet on this one to be sure I was right >about what it says. > >First of all the line reads: "Does your smiles covert complicity >debase as it admires?" I think there should be an apostrophe in >smile's, making it possessive. This makes covert an adjective >describing complicity. In other words does that smile posess a hidden >agenda that you expect me to be your accomplice in achieving? Are you >admiring me, thinking what a beautiful, wonderful person I am or are >you undressing me in your mind & thinking of doing very, very naughty >& nasty things to me? > > > As for "you're notches liberation doll", I really don't have a clue. >" > >We've gone over this one before. I still say (and will go to my grave >saying it unless Siquomb herself tells me personally that I am dead >wrong) that the man is referring to the room full of glasses from the >previous line. Those glasses are 'your notches' like a gunfighter's >notches on his gunbelt or notches on a bedpost. He's saying, 'You >made me a drunk with your independent, uppity, competitive >(unfeminine) ways. You can chalk every glass of wine I drank up to >your score. They're your notches, liberation doll.' Liberation doll >is a sneering & derisive name he's throwing at her. Men used to call >women they were attracted to doll at one time. Just watch some of >those old Humphrey Bogart movies. > >That's my story & I'm sticking to it! > >Mark in Seattle > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:25:59 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: A Case of You I wrote: derision at Brian Hinton's complete inability to grasp them in his much maligned book Kate replied: "Wow, he didn't get Case of You? What's not to get?" I've just looked it up again: there's some speculation as to who the song could be about, with Hinton fingering Leonard Cohen; then he finishes: "Mind you, what exactly is the point of a wine you can drink 12 bottles of, and still remain standing?" Maybe he was just being facetious, but to me it suggests that somehow he's missed the point of the song. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:45:14 From: "c Karma" Subject: Re: Covert Complicity, notches Pat, Grammar's never been my strong point either so I won't be too tough on Joni. Mark suggests a fix that could easily be explained by an omission in typesetting, an instant cure! "Come In From The Cold" is full of images of rebirth and the confusing thrills of adolescent novelty. Appearing on NRH, time and time again referred to as the album on which she "returned to form" and released just previous to her bust up with Klein, it seems consistent that images of reawakening are present. Arson is a crime, and though perhaps the victim here (metaphorically), she may be resigning herself that the forced change is truly what she wanted all along. The fire is fueled within herself. "I feel renewed, I feel disabled, By these bonfires in my spine." "Is this just vulgar electricity (are you sparking me?) Is this the edifying fire (or are you saving me?)" CC "It seemed like he read my mind, he saw me mistrusting him and still acting kind." -- JM >From: "Patricia O'Connor" >Reply-To: "Patricia O'Connor" >To: "c Karma" , >Subject: Re: Covert Complicity, notches >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 01:24:10 -0500 > >---- Original Message ----- >From: c Karma > > > > "Do your smiles covert complicity, debase as it admires?" -- what's that > > about? read Pat's post... > >My problem with this is not the meaning but the grammar, it's like Jim >Morrison saying: > >If they say I never loved you >You know they are a liar > >It hits me as a mistake, it's a glaring stand out every time I hear it > which in the case of the Doors song happens to be more often than I'd >like >to hear it.). > >She also says in "Come In From the Cold", which BTW is a song that I love: >I feel your legs under the table >Leaning into mine >I feel renewed >I feel disabled >By these bonfires in my spine >I don't know who the arsonist was >Which incendiary soul >But all I ever wanted... > >I used to try to make this conform to some idea of sexual awakening, but >the >problem was, wouldn't she know who the "arsonist" was if that was the >meaning? So I think that she means bon-fires as back-pain, post-polio >syndrome, the arsonist being the "incendiary soul" from whom she contracted >polio. I t makes sense to me, but ...what is it doing in this song, in >this >verse? > >Patricia O'Connor >p.a.oconnor@att.net > >private to CJ: NP Slip Sliding in my head > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:54:03 EST From: LeslieMixon@aol.com Subject: Favorite Lyrics My favorite Joni lyrics change depending on where I am in my life at that moment. I've always loved "Jericho" - "I'll try and keep myself open up to you, it gets easier and easier to do." "Anyone will tell you just how hard it is to make and keep a friend." "Let all these dogs go running free, the wild and the gentle dogs, kennelled in me." Another favorite is the "Crazy Cries of Love" - "In a back booth in an all night cafe, two dripping raincoats are hanging..." This line reminds me of a time Wally Breese and I went out to lunch on a rainy day. We were in a back booth that had coat hooks and our coats were dripping rain. It's hard to believe that February 3rd marks the one year anniversary of his passing. "...so fast, like the turn of a page..." Leslie Mixon Surrounded by unopened boxes, we've recently purchased our first home in California's Central Valley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:57:02 EST From: LeslieMixon@aol.com Subject: Another fave line I have to add another favorite line of Joni's poetry: "And the moon swept down black water like an empty spotlight..." Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:14:46 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Favorite Joni image Two images come to mind for me. #1 will always be, #2 is vivid for me personally, today: 1. On the back of a cartoon coaster In the blue TV screen light I drew a map of Canada. Oh, Canada. With your face sketched on it twice. 2. A strange boy is weaving a course of grace and havoc On a yellow skateboard in mid-day sidewalk traffic. CC (Tiger Bones) -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:18:26 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD This harkens back to some advice from the thrilling days of yesteryear that I'd like to resurrect for Joni on this one: JUST SAY "NO!" Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:17:54 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Favorite Joni image Two images come to mind for me. #1 will always be, #2 is vivid for me personally, today: 1. On the back of a cartoon coaster In the blue TV screen light I drew a map of Canada. Oh, Canada. With your face sketched on it twice. 2. A strange boy is weaving a course of grace and havoc On a yellow skateboard in mid-day sidewalk traffic. CC (Tiger Bones) -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:18:39 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Pontoon Planes (VLJC) BarBearUh wrote: >lately one of my favorites has been popping into my head often, as i'm >working on a video for a national park with a beautiful shot of a plane >shadow traversing a glacier with sapphire blue pools... When I first read this I thought you were planning the video, and wanted to recommend that the plane shadow be a floatplane (Joni calls them pontoon planes) like a De Havilland Canada Twin Otter or Beaver. Which reminds me....on one of the old tape trees, doesn't Joni introduce "Carnival in Kenora" with a story about Kenora being an Indian word meaning "Lake of the Pontoon Planes"? Am I making this up? The current issue of Aeroplane Monthly has an article on a big outfit that maintains floatplanes near Kenora. Looking forward to the floatplane flight from Victoria to Vancouver in 2 weeks! - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:24:17 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Hinton's Blasphemy Azeem wrote : "Maybe he was just being facetious, but to me it suggests that somehow he's missed the point of the song." No big surprise - he kinda' missed the whole point of Joni's career! Np: Edie Carey - The Falling Places ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:33:05 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: A Case of You > I've just looked it up again: there's some speculation as to who the song > could be about, with Hinton fingering Leonard Cohen; then he finishes: "Mind > you, what exactly is the point of a wine you can drink 12 bottles of, and > still remain standing?" Maybe he was just being facetious, but to me it > suggests that somehow he's missed the point of the song. Once in college we had a cheap wine party. I bought a small bottle of Wild Irish Rose, drank maybe three quarters of it and within the hour was passed out asleep on the couch. I'd much rather drink a case of wine that will leave me standing. I can think of different relationships I've been in that would fit this analogy on both ends. Then on the other hand, you have the Golden Paliminos "Drunk With Passion". But I think when people take songs so literally, they are completely missing the point or maybe they're just fixated on instant gratification along with so much of the world. And also, where does it say that she drank the whole case in one evening, or even drank a case at all because she says, " I could....drink a case of you..." I've been thinking alot lately about the power of love, and what it means to truly love someone, to be swept away, and to still have both feet on the ground at the same time. That doesn't happen very often. Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:01:45 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: Anniversary of Gene Autry show... Kakki wrote: >Geesch - too bad we weren't a team back then! ;-) We woulda been unbeatable! >Well, yes, it was worth the wait and nothing can ever compare to that night. >Never in our wildest dreams and forever pinching ourselves, eh? ;-) Total magic. I *still* get high just thinking about those two nights of PWWAM magic. If anybody had any doubts about the power of the Joni community, and what Les and Wally B wrought.... - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:16:56 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite Lyrics In a message dated 1/30/01 11:18:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, LeslieMixon@aol.com writes: << Surrounded by unopened boxes, we've recently purchased our first home in California's Central Valley >> I love the way she sings those raincoats lyrics too. Congrats & Best of Luck with that new home Leslie & Steve! Is it big enough for a JoniFest? lol PS: When the JoniFest CD's are released, would you bring them over to Jim for a listen? Ta Ta, Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:20:51 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD <> But isn't there just a wee bit of whiny white kid/girly guile justice in the fact that Joni will get some royalty pennies for every teenybopper who picks up the CD? Bob NP: J. Browne, "The Road" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:31:21 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > But isn't there just a wee bit of whiny white > kid/girly guile justice in the fact that Joni will > get some royalty pennies for every teenybopper who > picks up the CD? Not if, as the notice indicated, proceeds from the sale will go to fund the Grammy's "Music In School" promotion ... Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:33:17 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of You + Jericho <> And the REALITIES of those relationships are what makes Joni's love songs so damn good! Several folks have referenced "Jericho", which I think is just one of the best written love songs ever, because it's so honest. It deals less with the googly-eyed hand-holding component and more with the responsibility and the potential pitfalls of a love relationship. While she sings of what she wants from love, she states what she is willing to do, indeed what she HAS to do. I'm not sure it's possible to be swept away and grounded at the same time; but Joni encourages us to land on our feet instead of other anatomical parts when that infatuation wears off. When my wife and I had our 15th anniversary, I printed out the lyrics to Jericho and inserted it into a card. I'm not sure she understood it, but it meant something to me anyway! :~) "And we got drunk on alcohol And on love the strongest poison and medicine of all" Bob, lovin' all this JC! NP: J. Browne, "Cocaine" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:39:35 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD <> D'oh! Ya' got me!! So how about: a.) The teenyboppers who pick up the CD and it gets them into Joni at some point; or b.) The "Music In Schools" program gets all those schoolkids singing Both Sides Now like me & Mark & Kakki did! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:43:57 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > So how about: > > a.) The teenyboppers who pick up the CD and it gets > them into Joni at some point; or > > b.) The "Music In Schools" program gets all those > schoolkids singing Both Sides Now like me & Mark & > Kakki did! :~) > It would certainly be pretty to think so! ;-) Unfortunately, I guess I'm just having a little trouble seeing through my cynicism on the whole issue at the moment. Oh well, won't be the first time, probably won't be the last ... Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:33:39 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Words in Oils All this talk about favourite images now. Man! I can't think of one off hand that ain't a favourite image. Might have been an easier poser - is there anything she's painted in her word tapestries that leave you ... well ... well ... blank? Lines she put there that should've been erased. She sings in swirling oils and paints words woven with woe and wonder simultaneously. A lyrical landscape of musical musings. My 2am's worth. BTW - I still reckon the song DJRD is her lyrical peak. Out on the vast and subtle plains of mystery a split tongue spirit talks ....... snakes ... eagles in jet trails ... big bird dragging its tail in the dust .... kite flying on a string. And the rest. As I say, easier (though ironically harder) to choose a line that doesn't have an image to talk about. Therefore, why talk about it? One that hasn't been mentioned so far (oh here I go getting into it) the recent; In the back booth of an all night cafe, Two dripping raincoats are hanging, Outside in the weather, The shade on the streetlight is clanging, And they smile ear to ear eye to eye, Ice cream is melting on a piece of pie, oh oh my my, My my I should get off to bed. Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:06:26 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Another killer image plucked from a song chock-full of 'em "Dressed in stolen clothes she stands Cast iron and frail With her impossibly gentle hands And her blood-red fingernails" My goodness! Elvis Costello was right on the money! Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:06:57 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD Don't be cynical, Don, think of the possibilities: "Covers & Contributions, Volume 37" Beck, "Jungleline" Eminem, "Dreamland" Radiohead, "Woodstock" Paul Simon, "Urge For Going" Steely Dan, "Harlem In Havana" Destiny's Child, "All I Want" Macy Gray, "Strange Boy" Madonna, "Magdalene Laundries" U2, "Beat of Black Wings" 'N Sync, "Love" Backstreet Boys, "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" Barenaked Ladies, "Shiny Toys" The Corrs, "Sisotowbell Lane" Christina Aguilera, "Dancin' Clown" Aimee Mann, "Help Me" Britney Spears, "Big Yellow Taxi" It could happen...as Brian would say, "yeah, right"... Bob, apologizing for all the posts - I'll shut up now NP: J. Browne, "The Fuse" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:10:07 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Don't be cynical, Don, think of the possibilities: > Bob ... please put down the 8-foot beer bong ... and back slowly away! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:25:45 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD In a message dated 1/30/01 1:42:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > But isn't there just a wee bit of whiny white kid/girly guile justice in the > fact that Joni will get some royalty pennies for every teenybopper who > Perhaps justice isn't always "Just Ice". Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:52:27 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD But Don won't be happy until the 2004 release of "Puppy Eat Puppy," i which a variety of boy bands covers every song on Dog Eat Dog. Paul I In a message dated Tue, 30 Jan 2001 2:20:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Don't be cynical, Don, think of the possibilities: "Covers & Contributions, Volume 37" Beck, "Jungleline" Eminem, "Dreamland" Radiohead, "Woodstock" Paul Simon, "Urge For Going" Steely Dan, "Harlem In Havana" Destiny's Child, "All I Want" Macy Gray, "Strange Boy" Madonna, "Magdalene Laundries" U2, "Beat of Black Wings" 'N Sync, "Love" Backstreet Boys, "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" Barenaked Ladies, "Shiny Toys" The Corrs, "Sisotowbell Lane" Christina Aguilera, "Dancin' Clown" Aimee Mann, "Help Me" Britney Spears, "Big Yellow Taxi" It could happen...as Brian would say, "yeah, right"... Bob, apologizing for all the posts - I'll shut up now NP: J. Browne, "The Fuse" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:52:29 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD But Don won't be happy until the 2004 release of "Puppy Eat Puppy," i which a variety of boy bands covers every song on Dog Eat Dog. Paul I In a message dated Tue, 30 Jan 2001 2:20:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Don't be cynical, Don, think of the possibilities: "Covers & Contributions, Volume 37" Beck, "Jungleline" Eminem, "Dreamland" Radiohead, "Woodstock" Paul Simon, "Urge For Going" Steely Dan, "Harlem In Havana" Destiny's Child, "All I Want" Macy Gray, "Strange Boy" Madonna, "Magdalene Laundries" U2, "Beat of Black Wings" 'N Sync, "Love" Backstreet Boys, "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" Barenaked Ladies, "Shiny Toys" The Corrs, "Sisotowbell Lane" Christina Aguilera, "Dancin' Clown" Aimee Mann, "Help Me" Britney Spears, "Big Yellow Taxi" It could happen...as Brian would say, "yeah, right"... Bob, apologizing for all the posts - I'll shut up now NP: J. Browne, "The Fuse" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:20:31 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > But Don won't be happy until the 2004 release of > "Puppy Eat Puppy," I'd never expect that! How in the world would the poor, sweet dears be able to sing all those big words and dance at the same time!?!? Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:24:50 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Joni on 2001 Grammy Nominees CD >--- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >> Don't be cynical, Don, think of the possibilities: >> >Bob ... please put down the 8-foot beer bong ... and >back slowly away! ;-) > >Don Rowe That's NOT a bong... - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:36:53 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Midnight Cowboy Song The weird thing is that, even though Neil wrote "Everybody's talkin'", and Nilsson wrote "I guess the Lord must be...", it was Nilsson who had a hit... singing Neil's song. Hmmm. - --- Stephen Epstein wrote: > Don't have any further info on songs written > specifically for this movie, > but DO know that Everybody's Talkin' was written by > Fred Neil, who also > penned The Dolphins- covered by many! > > Stephen in Vancouver > > > > > "c Karma" on 01/29/2001 > 11:18:08 AM > > Please respond to "c Karma" > > To: joni@smoe.org > cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) > Subject: The Midnight Cowboy Song > > > > > I hope this isn't revisionist history, but I think > it's possible that "The > Midnight Cowboy Song" (see latest post at > jonimitchell.com) was in fact > written for the film. I read an interview with > Harry Nilsson (songwriting > God, IMHO: I hope Joni covers his "Remember > " on her yule > collection) where in regard to "Everybody's Talkin' > At Me" Nilsson said > that > he and several other songwriters had songs solicited > for the film, > including > Joni. I can't remember who the other writers were, > but would love to hear > if anyone else remembers this interview, or similar > and knows if any of the > other submitted songs saw the light of day. > CC > "A celluloid rider comes to town, cinematic lovers > sway." -- JM > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:16:30 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: A Case of You + Jericho Bob wrote: > I'm not sure it's possible to be swept away and grounded at the same time; but Joni encourages us to land on our feet >instead of other anatomical parts when that infatuation wears off. Now *there's* an image! ;-D I think it's possible to be swept away and grounded at the same time - wouldn't that be devotion? Kakki, ever the romantic NP: For Love or Money - Joni live at the Spectrum, Philadelphia 2/16/76 NT: about Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:26:43 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: re: Favorite Joni image d'oh! i thought i would be unique in this one, but cc beat me to it. i think my all time favorite (especially now that i live in crazy nyc and i am constantly in a sea of people) is this: "a strange boy is weaving a course of grace and havoc on a yellow skate board through midday sidewalk traffic" it's so visual, so playful, and constrasts the seriousness of the rest of the lyrics so well. in fact, that song is full of playful images that serve to offset the heartbreaking quality of the song. it's one of my alltime favs. also: "a helicopter lands on the pan am roof like a dragonfly on a tomb" take care, alison e. in nyc - --- c Karma wrote: > 1 > 2. A strange boy is weaving a course of grace and > havoc > On a yellow skateboard in mid-day sidewalk > traffic. > CC __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:00:33 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Fav lyrics He asked me to be patient Well I failed "Grow up!" I cried And as the smoke was clearing he said "Give me one good reason why" But you could blindly select any stanza from this song and not go wrong! Jack - whose got more Strange Boy in him than his wife would prefer! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:14:19 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Favorite Joni lines/images My first thought was all her lyrics are so good, how can I pick out only a few, but as has been noted, seeing some of these words on their own provides a new perspective...here goes... - -------------------------------------------------------------------- "All I really really want our love to do Is to bring out the best in me and in you too" This song helped form my own ideas about what love is and should be. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- "...part of you pours out of me In these lines from time to time" Sometimes I can tell the precise origin of words and phrases I use. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- "In silence In a bell jar" A moment of quiet contemplation while feeling as if inside a vacuum. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- "And you'd complete me I'd complete you" Could life for two people be any better than this? - -------------------------------------------------------------------- "The band sounds like typewriters" For all the times I had to listen to music I didn't really like. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- "There's comfort in melancholy" Turning a bad situation into something positive. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- "And we laughed how our perfection Would always be denied" Striving for the very best, accepting its elusiveness. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:09:27 -0600 From: jonifan@clearsong.com Subject: Review posted at Outvoice I couldn't resist sending this review posted by Robert Urban to the outvoice mailing list. I'm particularly intrigued by his description of the "Joni hole". Never quite saw it that way myself. >Outvoice CD Review >LET IT FALL >Artist - RICHARD ISEN >Review by Robert Urban > >LET IT FALL contains 9 original songs plus a cover of Joni Mitchell's >WILLIE. > >Several old friends come to haunt this listener via >pianist/singer/songwriter RICHARD ISEN's fine new solo CD. >The first is ISEN himself. Ten years ago I had the pleasure of >arranging his difficult piano-based art songs for guitars and bass - >as commissioned by NYC singer Eve Martinez - for her concerts and >recording. > >Having not heard of the reclusive Isen since then (his new re-appearance >finds him transported to LA from NYC) - I'm happy to report he has >re-emergedinto the spotlight with all his gifts intact. > >On his new effort, Richard plays piano; sings all the lead vocals (in a >lovely soft, crooning baritone) and most harmonies; and also contributes >sampled bass, percussion and a variety of orchestral instruments. Our >mutual old friend Eve Martinez adds some exquisite vocals harmonies. > >The song structures on LET IT FALL do not conform to currnet or typical >"pop" types, which is very refreshing. The choruses and verses (if one can >call them that) seem to flow on from some inner unknown force... in a >rambling... >stream of consciousness kind of way. There is a deep, touching beauty to >the playing, singing, poetry and overall sonic effect. > >Much of Isen's lyrics are remembrances of some kind, esp of childhood, and >I dare anyone to listen to LET IT FALL without drifting off into personal >remembrances of their own. There is a certain hypnotic "free association" >effect going on here.... > >In describing Isen's songs, I must refer to another old "friend", whose >influence permeates his work as much now as it did 10 years ago. Yes, the >aura of Joni Mitchell hovers over these songs like ghostly guardian angel. >Richard Isen has Joni Mitchell down. The piano style, the lyrics, the way >he turns >a melodic phrase, the dangling unresolved tones, that sense of something >indescribably delicate brushing up against THE NOTHINGNESS, that "certain >slant of light" quality ala Emily Dickenson - it's all there. > >Here's one difference between the two. Classic Joni would always treat us >to some light-hearted uptempo (Chelsea Morning, Paved Paradise, etc.) before >inevitably spiraling down to that dead end black hole of existential >emptiness - a "joni-hole", if you will - the one that would leave all >listeners slain >with sudden enlightenment of The Void (Song to a Seagull, For Free). > >In his own way, Richard Isen BEGINS in the "j-hole" and really never >leaves it! Listening to the entire LET IT FALL leaves this listener with a >feeling similar to that felt after seeing the film "Sixth Sense". All is >haunted... evanescent... lost. All is an attempt to recapture or remember >something too fleeting to reach.... All is not sure how the present has >come to be what it is... > >LET IT FALL makes me feel like I did when I first started listening to >songwriters like Joni Mitchell - a long time ago... when the songs made >such an impression... it's all a bit too spooky for words. Richard Isen has >that gift. > >robert urban >www.roberturban.com _____________________________________________ Richard Isen Clearsong Records . . .because a song is like a good companion. please visit http://www.clearsong.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:36:09 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: The Midnight Cowboy Song i'm not sure what you trying to say. but joni wrote "bsn" and judy collins made it a hit doesn't speak any less of jm. fred neil was a widely respected songwriter and 12 string guitar player. he wrote some pretty insightful songs. if you get a chance listen to his "everybody's talking" lp you won't regret it. later gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Stephen Epstein" ; "c Karma" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: Re: The Midnight Cowboy Song > The weird thing is that, even though Neil wrote > "Everybody's talkin'", and Nilsson wrote "I guess the > Lord must be...", it was Nilsson who had a hit... > singing Neil's song. Hmmm. > > --- Stephen Epstein wrote: > > Don't have any further info on songs written > > specifically for this movie, > > but DO know that Everybody's Talkin' was written by > > Fred Neil, who also > > penned The Dolphins- covered by many! > > > > Stephen in Vancouver > > > > > > > > > > "c Karma" on 01/29/2001 > > 11:18:08 AM > > > > Please respond to "c Karma" > > > > To: joni@smoe.org > > cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) > > Subject: The Midnight Cowboy Song > > > > > > > > > > I hope this isn't revisionist history, but I think > > it's possible that "The > > Midnight Cowboy Song" (see latest post at > > jonimitchell.com) was in fact > > written for the film. I read an interview with > > Harry Nilsson (songwriting > > God, IMHO: I hope Joni covers his "Remember > > " on her yule > > collection) where in regard to "Everybody's Talkin' > > At Me" Nilsson said > > that > > he and several other songwriters had songs solicited > > for the film, > > including > > Joni. I can't remember who the other writers were, > > but would love to hear > > if anyone else remembers this interview, or similar > > and knows if any of the > > other submitted songs saw the light of day. > > CC > > "A celluloid rider comes to town, cinematic lovers > > sway." -- JM > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #35 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?