From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #32 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, January 28 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 032 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni wins! ["Kate Bennett" ] "Shadows and Light" video for sale ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Fay, maybe this? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: meaning of fay, 100% JC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: New Stuff on www.jonimitchell.com , JC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] : "Shadows And Light" on video: Out Of Print? ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Rare unreleased Joni Song [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Rare unreleased Joni Song [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Anniversary of Gene Autry show... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: hello, and re: Free Man in Paris [Vince Lavieri ] update from New Jersey ["mags woman" ] Re: update from New Jersey [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Pagliacci summer frocks? [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Rare unreleased Joni Song ["Kakki" ] SJC Finding 2nd Fret Sets, maybe others? [Lily Phoenix ] Re: update from New Jersey [Michael Paz ] Re: meaning of fay/fey SJC, not really that long ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: Pagliacci summer frocks? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: What's your favorite Joni album? [Phyliss Ward ] Re: What's your favorite Joni album? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Rare unreleased Joni Song [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: What's your favorite Joni album? [Mark Domyancich ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 00:26:16 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni wins! Did anyone post this already? In the December Performing Songwriter there is a list of the top 25 women who have changed the face of music as chosen by the readers. #1 Joni Mitchell #2 Emmylou Harris #3 Carole King Here are two reader's comments about their choice for Joni. "A vital influence of so many teen-to-adult transformations. She wrote the life we wanted to live. If we could have found Sisotobel Lane, we'd be there still." and "An uncompromising artist who in her thirty year career has influenced both men and women to today's generation of musicians. Ms. Mitchell's intelligent lyrics set to her unconventional tunings are as unique as individual figherprints. A list without her at the top would be like a sandwich without bread." ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 04:00:24 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Shadows and Light" video for sale Well, I found a copy of the "Shadows and Light" video for sale at cdnow but it's priced for the rental community (more than $70) rather than priced to own by working class joes and janes. (Does this mean I can sell my ten year old copy at a 350% profit and retire to the south of France?) I also found "Both Sides No" (sic) on DVD (listed in the video section) as someone mentioned last week. Dunno why I couldn't find it when I looked earlier in the week. Anyway, I don't know anyone with a DVD-Audio player so I don't know anyone who could play it...... Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 04:38:28 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Fay, maybe this? As I was trying to sleep, this fey/fay/ofay problem was still racing in my mind. This theory came to mind in the form of the following strange paragraph. Strange I say, because, to me, the first four lines mimic the meter of the song itself. (The first line is crammed into the space of "W.C. Handy".) Try singing this to the tune of "Furry Sings the Blues", after the line, "We're only welcome for our drink and smoke." [[ Joooni in my memory you say/ "I'm rich and I'm fay."/ and I think that's what the lyric sheet might say, but/ I get this strooong impression that you *meant* to say/ ********* ********* "W.C. Handy, I'm rich and ofay." ]] Kinda scary. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 06:03:57 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: meaning of fay, 100% JC I gave up on sleep all together. In my old, American dictionary I was able to corroborate Brenda's memory of her great uncle's word "ofay". There is only one definition. ***** ofay n [origin unknown] slang: a white person Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary Copyright 1963 by G. & C. Merriam Co. Springfield, Massachusetts, U.S.A. If this word is of African-American origin, it probably did not appear in old dictionaries in the UK. Can someone confirm? ~~~~ ***** 1. fay vb : to fit or join closely 2. fay n : faith 3. fay n : FAIRY, ELF ~~~~ ***** fey adj 1. a. chiefly Scot: fated to die, doomed b. marked by a foreboding of death or calamity 2. a. able to see into the future; visionary b. marked by an OTHERWORLDLY AIR or attitude: elfin c. crazy, TOUCHED ~~~~ Then in a 1994 version of Microsoft Bookshelf, I got this: ofay ofay (o4fb4) noun Offensive Slang. Used as a disparaging term for a white person. [Possibly of West African origin.] Word History: The commonly seen etymology of ofay-Pig Latin for foe-is perhaps of less interest than the more likely story of this word's origins. The word, which is first recorded in the first quarter of the 20th century, must have been in use much longer if it is, as some scholars think, borrowed from an African source. Although this source has not been pinned down, the suggested possibilities are in themselves interesting. One would trace it to the Ibibio word afia, "white or light-colored." Another would have it come from Yoruba ofe, a word that was said in order to protect oneself from danger. The term was then transferred to white people, regarded as a danger to Black people throughout the wretched days of slavery and beyond. The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition is licensed from Houghton Mifflin Company. Copyright ) 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. Selected Illustrations from the Concise Columbia Encyclopedia. Copyright ) 1991 by Columbia University Press. Notice that the first recorded use is in during the time Jazz was invented 1900-1925. ~~~~ At the risk of beating this thing to death, here is Joni's line with my various favorite definitions plugged in: "I'm rich and I'm a white person 'in the land of the Delta Blues.' " "I'm rich and I'm a fairy, an elf." "I'm rich and I'm marked by an otherworldly air." ~~~~ I agree with Kakki. She didn't mean *one* thing. She meant *everything* simultaneously. We are, after all, attempting to divine the intent of a Master of Duality. Divinning her divine line? IT TOOK US 25 YEARS to plumb the depths of this line???? Sleepless but happy, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:06:07 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: New Stuff on www.jonimitchell.com , JC << PS- Hey Bob, Donal Leace's version appears on the "by title" list but it's not on any volumes yet released and it's not on the Wanted list. What does that mean? You have it but it sucks? :) >> Nope...it'll be on #14, I just haven't gotten the copy yet, so it's not a done deal, but it'll happen. I can't WAIT to hear it!! Look, up in the sky...it's a bird, it's a plane, no it's.... PROTEA MAN! :~D Bob NP: Nazareth, "This Flight Tonight" (from Volume 4, one of my personal faves...Joe Slomp, I'm spinning the copy I just made for you...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 08:22:22 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: : "Shadows And Light" on video: Out Of Print? I got one out of Japan about a year ago through Amazon - I had been searching for years and was always told it was out of print - I would be happy to share but I don't have any way of copying it - ideas - peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:20:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Vide Trees Jenny, Just in case nobody else has pointed you in the right direction, go to: http://www.jmdl.com/trading/index.cfm And scroll a bit! Bob NP: Mabel Mercer, "BSN" (PU, get the hook) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:26:51 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rare unreleased Joni Song << OK, who's going to get off their ass and get these songs TREED!!! I've only heard half of them, and everyone will surely enjoy them. >> What do you need specifically, Mark? Everything that I have has been offered to ALL...the "Midnight Cowboy" that Rose posted about isn't Joni's recording but a 1972 version by Donal Leace. It will be included on Volume 14, probably about a month away yet... There are lots of unreleased songs that we know the lyrics to from early songbooks and such, but no Joni recordings are in circulation (as far as *I* know). Like I alluded to earlier, my hope & prayer to God, besides world peace and the Sammy Hagar thing, is that we'll see in our lifetimes a well-done box set with those early songs in there somewhere. Bob NP: Carteret School Choir, "BSN" (which I *love* because it reminds me of when I sand that song in Mrs. Galvin's 6th grade class in 1969 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:44:19 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: "Shadows And Light" on video: Out Of Print? I got my copy of "Shadows And Light" a long long time ago from Columbia House, of all places. I know the royalties thing is kind of screwed through them but it was inexpensive and the only place I could find it at the time. The first copy I got was kind of messed up, the tracking was really screwy and I couldn't get it to play properly so I phoned their customer service and they sent me a replacement. They didn't want the messed up copy back so I gave it to my brother who played it just fine on his tour-bus video player. I paid $2.99 for my copy. Cassy NP: Ian Moore "Muddy Jesus" from "Modernday Folklore" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:11:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: hello, and re: Free Man in Paris Hello New to this list and am a bit overwhelmed by the sheer volume of postings! I'll provide the customary biographical info later, I'm about to leave to meet a freind for lunch. Anyways, I wanted to comment on the post about Free Man in Paris being about David Geffen. I seem to recall hearing someone (Joni?) on the radio years ago talking about that song, and how it's about Jacque Brel. I've always had that idea in my head as I've listened to that paritcular song. I don't know much about Brel, he was a French songwriter, quite famous in the '60's (I think). I believe he died in the early '80's. I could be very wrong on this! So, hello to all. Nice to find a Joni discussion list. Tyler - ------------------------------------------- As I recall from an interview, Free Man In Paris was written in third person, and I think the song is about (I could be wrong here) David Geffen(?) saying he'd "go back there tomorrow, but for the work (he'd) taken on, stoking the star maker machinery behind the popular song". Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 13:33:27 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rare unreleased Joni Song In a message dated 1/27/01 9:40:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Everything that I have has been offered to ALL...the "Midnight Cowboy" that Rose posted about isn't Joni's recording but a 1972 version by Donal Leace. It will be included on Volume 14, probably about a month away yet... >> Now Bob, this is what Jim said. Who am I to believe? Joniphile Gary Zack recently uncovered the lyrics to a very early song of Joni's called "The Midnight Cowboy Song" (not the song from the movie), which was included on an album by an artist named Donal Leace in 1972. - -Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 14:36:40 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rare unreleased Joni Song << Now Bob, this is what Jim said. Who am I to believe? >> We're both saying the same thing, Rose darling. I'm afraid I didn't word my post very carefully. The Donal Leace recording IS Joni's song. The recording is a cover of Joni's song. So, we've found out the lyrics, but NOT from Joni's recording, live or otherwise, but rather from the party of the third part! :~) And if you ever come to a crossroads where you have to choose between believing me or somebody else, pick that somebody else! ;~) Bob NP: ACOY from BSN ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:02:12 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Anniversary of Gene Autry show... OK, so I'm a day late, but I wanted to mention the 6-year birthday of a fabulous Joni show. On January 26, 1995, Joni performed at the Reprise Music Show; Wells Fargo Theater, Autry Museum of Western Heritage, Los Angeles CA. I remember hearing this broadcast on my local NPR station here in Greenville. I taped it, but I had a cut in the tape as the show runs about 75 minutes and I was using a 90-minute tape. So I was very glad to get a better recording via the tape trees. I've since converted the show to CDR, and it makes a great one! My favorite part I think is her story of her and her Roy Rogers outfit and that whole story...it is truly priceless! Especially so since I've seen that photo of her as a little girl in full cowboy regalia! She is in great voice and is very happy throughout the whole performance. The songlist is as follows: 1. Refuge of the Roads 2. Sex Kills 3. Moon At the Window 4. Night Ride Home 5. Love's Cries 6. Yvette In English 7. Cherokee Louise 8. Sunny Sunday 9. Hejira 10. Just Like This Train 11. Happiness Is the Best Facelift 12. Song For Sharon Those of you have it know of whence I speak. Those of you who don't have it, you should! I'll be glad to dub my CD for any interested parties, just e-mail me back... Bob NP: Neil, "All Along The Watchtower", TEARING it up, 8/20/00 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:08:51 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: hello, and re: Free Man in Paris Welcome, Tyler to the JMDL and our unique little family here! I am sure that "Free Man..." was written for Geffen. Others on the list more Joni-knowledgable than I will be able to give all kinds of citations for that. But I am mentally enjoying the image of Jacques Brel and Joni doing something musically together. I saw "Jacques Brel is alive and living in Paris" many more years ago than I care to remember, in Chicago at Mr. Kelly's (for you Chicagoans out there old enough to remember Mr. Kelly's...). You are lucky, Tyler, that a friend has my "Jacques Brel is alive..." book in storage at his house. Usually anytime someone mentions Brel I whip the book out and quote some French lyrics (I know NO French...), usually the song 'Next' for some reason, or 'If You Go Away...' which is a beautiful song except the English version (by Rod McKeun?) was so emotionally over wrought it is almost a parody. Anyway, you got spared the Brel quotes this time, but you may not be so lucky next time! Again, welcome! (the Rev) Vince NP: A Hard Day's Night ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:17:43 -0500 From: "Megan" Subject: Meaning of fey/fay ; Furry Lama said: > I now have an opportunity to brag on my record collection. Yes I *still* have an LP of " Hejira". >As a matter of fact, *mine* is a promo copy.> You lucky dog, you! I thought I was lucky to have outbid someone on a Goldmine auction in '90 to get a Japanese re-issue of "Hejira" that was still sealed! It's gorgeous but the only problem is the liner notes are in Japanese! If there's a Japanese lister out there who could translate them for me,please e-mail me privately, because after they're translated I would make copies available for listers. I understand their liner notes are superior to American ones both in length & in detail (these are 2 pages long).But my copy doesn't have the raised lettering & the vinyl isn't from analog --the sound must be outstanding on yours! Jim also says: > The relevent section begins with "Furry", rumored to be a character drawn from a real life blues man >(named "Fury", right gang?)> Now since I haven't been with the list all that long, I guess you're referring to an old thread & who you all concluded "Furry" to be. Please explain because all this time I assumed she was referring to "Furry" Lewis, the jazz great, which I've read in certain reviews of the album (critics just assuming wrongly?) BTW, I also agree with you, Brenda & Patricia about the "ofay" explanation for "fay"--it makes the most sense in the context of the song to me. All the best, Megan :~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:33:13 -0500 From: "mags woman" Subject: update from New Jersey We want to thank you so very much for all of the lovely tender messages we have received since sharing the news about Brian's health. I arrived early yesterday afternoon in NJ and feel so relieved to be here . We are having a relaxing weekend in preparation for the test Monday...which is scheduled bright and early. We have to hang out at the hospital for a good part of the day after the fact.... I will write again that evening when we have the results. Brian's sister Elaine (shes on the list too :))) has been an angel of support and love ...as is his big brother Alan who will be with us at the hospital. They are the sweetest kindest people!!! Thank you all for being so kind to us. We have read each and every message with heartfelt gratitude. We feel so lucky and blessed to receive such support, wisdom and concern. I know it has made a big difference . with much love,Mags and Brixoxoxooxoox - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:46:03 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: update from New Jersey In a message dated 1/27/01 5:39:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, mags_woman@hotmail.com writes: << I arrived early yesterday afternoon in NJ and feel so relieved to be here . >> I'm so glad you're here Mags. Hey I'm in NJ too. If you need me just yell OK. Sending good thoughts your way. You'll get through this together... Hang in there Brian. Helps on the way. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:42:09 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Pagliacci summer frocks? Listening to 'Otis and Marlena' today I heard a line that I never heard before: "Marlena, white in stretcher sheets, watches it all from her 10th floor balcony Like its her opera box All those Pagliacci summer frocks..." and I am surprised I never heard this line before, but I am confused as to what it means. Pagliacci is one of my favorite operas - it is everyone's favorite, right, the only opera to appear in a Motown lyric ("Tears of a Clown" if I remember correctly but I could be wrong) (and Joni does know her Motown, and lived in Detroit) - but that is a very sad and tragic opera: people thinking that what they are seeing in real life is merely the play, so that the double murder that the audience witnesses, the audience thinks is merely part of the play so they applaud the confrontation that leads to the murders and then applaud the murders - which murders happen because of infidelity, duplicity, deceit - the gut wrenching cry of "ridi Pagliacci" as Canio proclaims that while he is a clown in a traveling theatre, "no, Pagliaccio non son", his life is now ruined and misery, he is the clown no longer, and then the opera ends with "La commedia e finita" (the comedy is finished) after he has done the second murder, as the audience only begins to realize that it has been applauding and laughing at what is in fact a real life horror - this is one of the most tragic of operas and makes sense for what precedes in the song 'Otis and Marlena' -- but "Pagliacci summer frocks"? In the opening of the song Joni refers to "Foster Grants" and those are a real thing; is there actually such a thing as a Pagliacci summer frock? Is this a terrible way to make a rhyme with "opera box"? Is this sublime beyound comprehension because the Pagliacci reference is to people confusing reality and fiction, applauding death? And what does it mean, "white in stretcher sheets"? And how much of an opera fan is Joni, do we know? She certainly picked the most appropriate opera for that song; "Le Nozze di Figaro" wouldn't have worked meter wise or allusion wise.... but then I would think (if I thought about this) that a Le Nozze di Figaro (the Marriage of Figaro) summer frock would be a hell of a lot more attractive than a Pagliacci summer frock... (pardon me, is that catsup, or is that blood?) (the Rev) Vince, out of his mind on a Saturday night ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:50:16 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Rare unreleased Joni Song Bob wrote: > NP: Carteret School Choir, "BSN" (which I *love* because it reminds me of > when I sand that song in Mrs. Galvin's 6th grade class in 1969 This made me recall that I also sang this song in the high school "Girl's Glee Club" in 1970! It occurred to me that our teachers must have been pretty cool back then. I also remember singing many tunes from Jimmy Webb, Simon and Garfunkel and even CSN the next year in concert choir. I wonder what kids today are singing in their school choirs - it's hard to imagine Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, etc! Anyone know? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:26:49 -0800 (PST) From: Lily Phoenix Subject: SJC Finding 2nd Fret Sets, maybe others? Hello! I'm here at this list because someone told me they were able to get the live performance CD of Joni Mitchell called "2nd Fret Sets" through the Joni Mitchell site, so I'm hoping this is the right one and the right list, because I sure do want a copy!! And I'm wondering if there's anything else out there from the early years too?? Can anyone help me out, I'd be happy to reimburse you. I'd prefer a CD but a tape is OK too -- Thanks, Lily P.S. as to "fay" yes it does mean fairylike, enchanted, flitting from flower to flower and I've seen it spelled both ways, as in Queen of the Fay instead of Queen of the Fairies or Faeries. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:29:15 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Pagliacci summer frocks? (md) In a message dated 1/27/01 4:36:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << it is everyone's favorite, right, the only opera to appear in a Motown lyric ("Tears of a Clown" if >> Actually the song "Dont you Know" one of the all-time great hits sung by Miss Dinah Washington was directly from Verdi but with different lyrics than the opera. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:57:37 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: meaning of fay/fey Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Bob Muller said, > > The relevant section begins with "Furry", rumored to be character drawn from > a real life blues man (named "Fury", right gang?) > > Anyway, Joni's imaginary character, "Furry" is about to speak, Neither the character nor the visit were imaginary. She did visit bluesman Furry Lewis (since deceased), who later publicly dissed her in Rolling Stone, calling her 'that woman' and complaining about her portrayal of him in the song. Trivia extra: Lewis is in the Burt Reynolds movie called (I think) WC and the Dixie Dance Kings...which I haven't seen. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:02:53 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: update from New Jersey You must be positive like you always are. Things will go our way and you will be back to normal soon. My thoughts and prayers are with you both and I wish I could be there with you to play a few Sarah tunes, a few joni tunes, and hell maybe a few Dave tunes. Love Paz NP-Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic-Police on MYSonicnet on 1/27/01 2:33 PM, mags woman at mags_woman@hotmail.com wrote: > We want to thank you so very much for all of the lovely tender messages > we have received since sharing the news about Brian's health. I arrived > early yesterday afternoon in NJ and feel so relieved to be here . We are > having a relaxing weekend in preparation for the test Monday...which is > scheduled bright and early. We have to hang out at the hospital for a > good part of the day after the fact.... I will write again that evening > when we have the results. Brian's sister Elaine (shes on the list too > :))) has been an angel of support and love ...as is his big brother Alan > who will be with us at the hospital. They are the sweetest kindest > people!!! Thank you all for being so kind to us. We have read each and > every message with heartfelt gratitude. We feel so lucky and blessed to > receive such support, wisdom and concern. I know it has made a big > difference . with much love,Mags and Brixoxoxooxoox > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:10:47 -0800 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: meaning of fay/fey SJC, not really that long Your welcome! I'm sorry I missed all the discussion yesterday. When I first heard that word in the song I immediately thought of ofay - looking at it from the bluesman's perspective. It particularly made me remember listening to this old guy complain about how white rock bands profited from the blues while many of the old black players could barely afford rent. Right or wrong, he felt robbed. I wouldn't be surprised if Joni had run into some of that when she talked to Furry. The use of the word fay also reminds me of how segregated things were when Handy played (and when Furry Lewis played). There was the colored world and the fay world. And folks from the fay world were not joining the "darktown society" who were dancing in their "finery." For me using using the word fay underscores that separation and the dichotomy of Beale Street in its black hey day versus what it was when she saw it and what it is now. Brenda Kakki wrote: > > W.C. Handy I'm rich and I'm fay > > And I'm not familiar with what you played > > But I get such strong impressions of your hey day > > Looking up and down old Beale Street > > Jim, > > I don't think it's a typo. I think it's another Joni play on words - she > qualifies as both "fey" and "fay" to W.C. Handy. Thanks to Brenda for > telling some of us something new - it enhances the song for me a lot. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:46:43 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Pagliacci summer frocks? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Vince Lavieri > > In the opening of the song Joni refers to "Foster Grants" and those are > a real thing; is there actually such a thing as a Pagliacci summer > frock? I think she means the dresses are clownish, with alot of poofs and flounces. > And what does > it mean, "white in stretcher sheets"? It's "white AS stretcher sheets" isn't it? But maybe I should check the lyrics, after yesterdays revelation of FAY :>) Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:25:43 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: What's your favorite Joni album? At this point, my favorite is either "FTR" or "HOSL". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:47:58 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: What's your favorite Joni album? on 1/27/01 7:25 PM, Relayer211@aol.com at Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > At this point, my favorite is either "FTR" or "HOSL". > I am still For The Roses with Hejira in a close second to none. Six of one half a dozen of the other. I can almost play the entire Hejira record now. Still gotta learn Blue Motel Room better though. Paz NP_40,000 Headmen-Blood Sweat and Tears (what a wierd version) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:55:02 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: What's your favorite Joni album? At 1/27/2001 08:25 PM, Relayer211@aol.com wrote: >At this point, my favorite is either "FTR" or "HOSL". Mine's "Hejira"... everybody head on over to http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/albumpoll.cfm and vote for your favorite! Les ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:56:55 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pagliacci summer frocks? << Marlena, white in stretcher sheets, watches it all from her 10th floor balcony Like its her opera box All those Pagliacci summer frocks..." and I am surprised I never heard this line before, but I am confused as to what it means. >> Vince, I've always thought that O&M are in their Florida motel room looking out and seeing the old ladies with their colorful muu-muu's and such, and Joni was making the comparison between those outfits & a clown outfit. Plus, while being a comical sight, it's also a tragic one, so the Pagliacci metaphor works on that level too. Does that help at all? Bob NP: Radiohead, "Anyone Can Play Guitar" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:47:02 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: What's your favorite Joni album? Michael Paz wrote: > I can almost play the entire Hejira record now. > Still gotta learn Blue Motel Room better though. > Yes! Flashback! You playing "Furry" was such a treat last Sunday! You go Paz! > > Paz > > NP_40,000 Headmen-Blood Sweat and Tears (what a wierd version) - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:56:28 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: What's your favorite Joni album? This is tough for me to put these in order. I love HOSL, Night Ride Home, Hejira, Turbulent Indigo and Shadows and Light. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:15:16 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rare unreleased Joni Song In a message dated 1/27/01 7:57:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << I wonder what kids today are singing in their school choirs - it's hard to imagine Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, etc! Anyone know? >> At my granddaughter's school concert they did Back Street Boys' "As Long As You Love Me." I was in tears. The older kids did a Supremes number, Baby Love I think. They have a really cool music teacher Mr. Nichuck. The kids love him. He's cute too. Plays a great guitar. I'm gonna try to snag him one day and get him to teach them a Joni song or two. - -Rose ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:38:28 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: What's your favorite Joni album? It's got to be For The Roses right now, but anyday it'll go back to Hejira :). NP-Steely Dan - Aja - Peg (thanks, guys) At 10:25 PM -0500 1/27/01, Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > At this point, my favorite is either "FTR" or "HOSL". - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape/cd trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "I want you to remember this on Valentine's Day: tip your bartender." ~EB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 00:50:34 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: What's your favorite Joni album? Since I stayed at home all day, I put in "this weeks" favorite Joni cd's in the player and put them on random. I played "Hejira", "FTR", "NRH", "C&S", and "HOSL", and I got so much done around the house. It was a real Joni day! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:22:24 -0500 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Re: What's your favorite Joni album? As of late, I've been focussing on some of my other fave artists - I always come back to Joni, but it's easy for me to forget about all that other talent out there and get stuck in a Joni rut. DJRD is really my fave - this disc is always revealing itself to me, something new every time. Forever an odd recording, it resembles no other JM project. When I first heard it, I hated it (not as much as I hated Mingus the first time around though!), but that's all changed over the years. HOSL is a close second. Cheers! -Chris NP:Simon & Garfunkel "Old Friends" box. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 03:02:21 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: What's your favorite Joni album? Call me an old hippie, but for sentimental value and all time favorite, it's got to be Blue, with Ladies of the Canyon as a close second. Gary ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #32 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?