From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #29 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, January 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 029 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Fw: "Just Ice" ?, Philosophy Content, Long ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: Old News?? (JC) ["Nikki Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:15:57 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Fw: "Just Ice" ?, Philosophy Content, Long Bob pointed out that this post was incorrectly labeled NJC the first go round so I'm sending it again without that tag. Mark Kakki wrote: > Her going from the "gas leaks and the > > oil spills" to "sex kills everything" is not logical if you take it > > literally. But if you take it in an absurd context, the larger > point of how > > ridiculously the substitution of scapegoating for justice has become > in our > > world it becomes clear, i.e., "sex caused the oil spills, too." > Yeah, right. and I replied: I never thought she was necessarily pointing a finger at any one institution or group of people in this song. To me it's just a series of observations of things that are royally fucked up in modern life. The first verse does address justice and questions whether there is such a thing anymore but I don't think she's trying to draw some direct line of causality from that to gas leaks and oil spills. Nor do I think she's saying that AIDS is the result of greed and lust. She's merely observing that in the world today there is corruption and greed and it can and does pervert justice, that gas leaks pollute the air, oil spills muck up our oceans and that Madison Avenue shoves sex in our faces to sell products but fails to mention that you'd better play safe if you value your life. (I must admit however, that the blanket statement 'sex kills' has always bothered me. So after rereading your post, Kakki, I must admit that there may be something in what you say.) She continues, talking about health care and how the cure can sometimes kill you while the price keeps getting more & more ridiculously astronomical. Pettiness clogs the courts with lawsuits and road rage makes people driving the freeways into psychos. Rapists stalk women any place at any time & kids in schoolrooms mow down their classmates with guns. Not one specific thing. Many, many things that Joni sees as terribly wrong with modern life. As she sees it, 'the balance is undone' and of course that balance between positive & negative is one of her ongoing, pervasive themes. She also seems to have a pretty healthy respect for those 'Indian chiefs with their old beliefs.' Of course, there are many good things in our day to day lives and Sex Kills is not representative of those. 'Taming the Tiger' gave us quite a few of those but so many seem to dismiss that record. I count it as one of her best but that's another subject entirely. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 04:28:43 +0100 From: "John van Tiel" Subject: Re: #13 Stephen in Vancouver wrote: >> Thanks to Bob Muller, I am now enjoying Covers and Contributions Volume 13. Bob, where DO you find these people?? Shawn Colvin's "River" is sublime, but my faves are the 3 by Lydia Van Dam group- who is this gal? Tremendous jazz takes on Joni's classics. And David Hay- what a strong voice. I urge all of you to get this Volume, if it isn't already in your collection.<< Anyone in the Old World who wants a copy of volume 13 (or of any of the other volumes from Bob's series), just drop me a line. It is indeed a great collection. P.S. For those who are spelling buffs: the 'Van' bit in Dutch names is spelled with a small 'v' in Holland. John van Tiel in the Netherlands (whom it once took 2 weeks to find out that his mail was stored under V instead of under T in Britain) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:34:15 -0500 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Old News?? (JC) Russ, Yes your shirts made to LA! And they were a huge hit, everyone loved them and thought it was so sweet of you. I saw some people wrote about them too! That was very sweet of you Russ! Paz was bummed he couldn't have the lavender one to go with his drunk and dizzy toenails...lol. But he got over it. We sent the 1 or 2 extras with Alison to give to the NYC JMDLers who couldn't make it. Great to meet you Russ:-) Love Nikki np: Claudia San Souice Laborday 2000 "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Russell Bowden > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 4:45 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Old News?? (JC) > > > Gang, > > First; sounds like a good time was had by all in LA. Did the shirts make > it (via Nikki)? > > Second; (Sorry if this has been discussed before) the Joni Mitchell > mention on Zappa's 'Billy the Mountain" Anyone heard this? > > Love, > > Russ the t-shirt guy > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #29 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?