From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #24 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, January 23 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 024 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The So Cal Get Together (md) ["Kakki" ] Jazz on PBS [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Welcome! [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Welcome! [SueVoigt@cs.com] Re: DJRD ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Threefer Madness [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni on VH1 ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Threefer Madness ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Re: Threefer Madness [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] DJ Rules Daughter! ["BRIAN SYMES" ] JMDL [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Threefer Madness [Scott and Jody ] Re: Threefer Madness ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Re: DRJD, song by song ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Threefer Madness [KJHSF@aol.com] Favorite Live Songs [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Threefer Madness ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Re: Favorite Live Songs (md) (SJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Threefer Madness [MGVal@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:03:02 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: The So Cal Get Together (md) Hi from the west coast Joni-fest. This is actually Darice , posting about the magic of a Kakki Jonifest./ I'm listeninng to a great version of Van's Moondance,Paz on lead....and posting to you all. I really love visiting LA and seeing the scenes of my "youthful" indiscretions. From Jim Morrison's house...to Melodyland in Anaheim (scene of the Dave Clark Five concert in 1967 or so). The Hollywood and LA Free Clinics...Laurel Canyon, UCLA, Hollywood Blvd...to the old tire company now an Outlet Mall (the single surviving example of Sumerian architecture in the continental US (according to my Art 101 teacher). Anyway... this brings back bittersweet memories...of when I could have been content to be a LOTC baking bread for those talented frineds and listening to great rock and roll. Please all of you... come to visit the Bay area.. we can do a Joni fest on Stinson beach (and celebrate Janis' life) Darice - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 8:25 AM Subject: The So Cal Get Together (md) > For whatever reason I missed this report from kakki. Could someone send it to > me. Kakki?? Has Paz awakened from his trance to post his version or is he > still at the NAMM show. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 06:56:26 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Jazz on PBS PBS 9 p.m. Jazz: COUNT BASIE, DUKE ELLINGTON, ELLA FITZGERALD - -Rose ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:34:09 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Welcome! Susan Voigt's last post was her second to the JMDL and I forgot to welcome her properly... so welcome, Susan! This is an amazing community and I am glad that you are with us! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:03:19 EST From: SueVoigt@cs.com Subject: Re: Welcome! In a message dated 1/22/01 12:20:06 PM Central Standard Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << Susan Voigt's last post was her second to the JMDL and I forgot to welcome her properly... so welcome, Susan! This is an amazing community and I am glad that you are with us! (the Rev) Vince >> Hey Vince! You are messin' with my quiet entrance! :-) Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:15:45 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: DJRD Wow! I never noticed this stuff before! Go Bob! Go! Go Bob! Go! Go Bob! Go! Go Bob! Go! Lama Bob said, Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 10:49:14 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: DRJD, song by song << really quite a sad little song that one can't help laughing at >> Good point. By introducing it with the line about pissing a tequila anaconda, you can't help but smile at it. Yet there is that sense of frustration as well. That's why I think she uses Chaplin and Bergman, 2 filmmakers whose works were filled with poignant humor, simultaneously funny & sad.... Here's something else I picked up on: "we could talk about power, About Jesus AND Hitler AND Howard Hughes" The thing that struck me was her use of the word AND instead of OR. And following the line about power, she's using Jesus as an example of SPIRITUAL power, Hitler as an example of PHYSICAL power, and Hughes as an example of ECONOMIC power. In other words, she's not saying that we can talk about them seperately, but rather discuss them in tandem. Fascinating stuff. I'm convinced that there's not a word in here chosen at random. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:28:12 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Threefer Madness <> "we could talk about power, About Jesus AND Hitler AND Howard Hughes" I thought some more about these three, and the song "The Three Great Stimulants" came to mind. I don't have any difficulty matching "Brutality" to Hitler, and "Innocence" to Jesus, but the definition of "Artifice" is too fuzzy in my head to match it to Hughes. Any takers? Can anyone else come up with any other "three-fers" that fall into these sorts of categories? I thought of BSN and her breaking the song into: 1. Clouds 2. Love 3. Life I know we usually think of Joni & her dualities, but there may be some interesting connections with the "threebies"! Bob NP: Belly, "Feed The Tree" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:35:29 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni on VH1 Yeah, Kerry, I know what 'cha mean. How can you pick ANY one out? But in a way, it's possible that they were trying to say that "Blue" was the peak of her "revealingly personal" songs. (She hates the word "confessional".) Blue was my favorite for a long long time. Now, I can't pick one. Anyway, *any* top 100 list is always weird. This one especially because they picked "Revolver" as #1. I mean, Beatles, sure. But "Revolver" over "Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"? Over "Abbey Road"? Over Styx's "Paradise Theater"? I'm kidding! Oh well, I'm just happy that they remembered our Joan! I'm taking a break from sending resumes, with Joni (the cat) at my feet, and Joni (the Master) on the VCR, dubbing for a JMDLer. Lama Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:57:10 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni on VH1 Sorry if I'm repeating information, but I just tuned in to the last part of VH1's "100 best rock n roll albums" and Blue was number 14! They showed some nice pictures of Joni and a video clip of her singing "California." The commentary included a weird statement though, something like, "Joni reached her emotional peak with the Blue album." Aren't all of her albums emotional peaks? Do they even know what they're talking about? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:51:05 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Threefer Madness Bob wrote; > Can anyone else come up with any other "three-fers" that fall into these sorts of categories? I thought of BSN >and her breaking the song into: > 1. Clouds > 2. Love > 3. Life Shadows and Light: 1. Devil 2. Man 3. God (A pink hotel, a boutique AND a swingin' hot spot) Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:11:18 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Threefer Madness Shadows and Light: 1. Devil=Hitler=Brutality ? 2. Man=Howard Hughes=Artifice ? 3. God=Jesus=Innocence ? Cool, Patricia! I also thought about "He is three" from "Boogie Man", and "of these great three" (Faith, Hope, & Love)from "Love"... Bob NP: Ben Folds Five, "Underground" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:17:52 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: DJ Rules Daughter! Every thing on DJRD is looking forward and yet backwards like a crazy crow with a 360 angle of vision. She is trying to break out of the disco hit machine in all these songs, But The last one The Silky Veils is a retro folk song so much like "Come all ye fair maidens and The Water is Wide. Her Voice on the HDCD is so fresh In my dreams we fly! NP The Love Supreme! The Love Supreme! JC - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:48:12 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: JMDL Just a clarification of the JMDL home page from a librarian. You do not have to Log In to retrieve any of the information available. You only have to log in if you are going to input data, such as a Gallery Profile, or a vote. Jerry, amazed at how unpopular BSN and its songs are in the polls. Come on FTR fans. Get in there and vote! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:59:28 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Threefer Madness Refuge Of The Roads - Heart and humor and humility... jody ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:29:33 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Threefer Madness > Shadows and Light: > 1. Devil=Hitler=Brutality ? > 2. Man=Howard Hughes=Artifice ? > 3. God=Jesus=Innocence ? Brutality and artifice, I guess are also types of power, as well as powerful stimulants...but is innocence? I have trouble understanding how innocence is a stimulant, unless it's used as a synonym for ignorance, ignorance by choice, not by circumstance...and it's still a stretch...stimulation by stultification. Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:43:54 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: DRJD, song by song > Maybe I'm reaching...could she be contrasting/comparing the conflicts of the > interpersonal relationship with the conflicts between "developed" and > "undeveloped" countries or societies? This occurred to me too. Anything is possible. Like how one culture exploits another > in "Dreamland", so do people exploit one another in relationships. After all, > when she hits rock bottom, she refers to herself as an "Off Night Backstreet" > using a geographical reference... Interesting possibilities you raise here, Bob. Never occurred to me but it fits. > > < She's contemplating a new love and trying to fix the right path in her > mind to making it a meaningful and positive relationship. She is at > the beginning of this romance & is promising to 'keep myself open up > to you.' That's what I think, anyway.>> > > I agree, and interesting when you think about how well it fits in the mix, > even though it first popped up on Miles of Aisles, a couple of years before > she would attack the "theme" of DJRD...also interesting that she performed > DJRD as a companion piece to Coyote on her HOSL tour in 1976, and featured > Talk to Me in that tour as well. To be able to then later present them as > part of a separate cohesive whole is testimony to her genius, I think... Isn't Dreamland on the HOSL demos? That would mean she had some version of that one in the can as early as 1975. I always thought Coyote & DJRD had a similar sound, especially the rhythm guitar part. I think part of her genius is being able to collage things together so that they form a cohesive whole. Little Green was also written sometime before the rest of Blue but it works beautifully on that chronicle of the lady's dark night of the soul. Maybe she writes a group of songs & when she's putting a record together she hits a spot where a light bulb goes on in her head and she says to herself 'Wow! Jericho would fit perfectly in here! I can redo it with a beautifully lush guitar and put Jaco underneath it, polish it up & it's perfect!' She always seems to have unrecorded or unreleased stuff up her sleeve. > > << I think Paprika Plains eventually ties in with the title track. She's > talking about the indigenous people of North & South America. >> > > Which is her heritage as well as she says she has that blood in her...so > maybe on one level Paprika examines her being drawn back to her roots in a > more "third world" setting while eventually returning to the guy in the > "Cotton Club"... Any thoughts on the lyrics that she doesn't sing? There's a lot of stuff just in that bit of poetry. More Native American issues, environmental issues & an apolcalyptic vision, etc. > > Geez, it IS tough to try and get your arms around this entire masterwork! But > one's thing for sure, I like it a helluva lot more than talking about > laundry! ;~) Brother, you said it! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:59:14 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Threefer Madness In a message dated 1/22/2001 7:39:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, p.a.oconnor@worldnet.att.net writes: << I have trouble understanding how innocence is a stimulant, unless it's used as a synonym for ignorance, ignorance by choice, not by circumstance...and it's still a stretch...stimulation by stultification. >> Is Joni addressing the idea that jaded folks are intoxicated by the idea of innocence and their opportunity to corrupt it? Aren't people supposed to be stimulated by the thought of a potential partner's virginity (innocence)? That's how I've always interpreted it. Ken from SF, currently freezing in Ohio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:03:58 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Favorite Live Songs Okay, here's my take on favorite live recordings #1 - For Free / Miles of Aisles. This version just cuts me to the bone. I absolutely cannot listen to it without getting goose bumps. There's a depth to this version that I think is lacking in the studio version (as nice as that is). I've often joked with my wife that if I was ever in coma, and plugged into life support, she should play this version of the song and if there is no reaction, pull the plug, I'm gone! #2 - Black Crow / Shadows and Light. A great song that holds a special place in history for me, and a kick ass version. Well worth buying the vinyl of Japanese version of the CD for. #3 - Banquet / Refuge of the Roads. Anyone who thinks Joni can't rock should listen to this version. It was the highlight of the show for me when I first saw this tour. While Joni is known for reinventing songs when performing them live, her twist on this song blew me away. For the longest time, this concert film was only available on laser disk. I actually bought a laser disk player just so I could hear this version again. #4 - Furry Sings the Blues / Shadows and Light. Rougher and courser than the studio version, it captures the feel of the song perfectly. I especially like Joni's impersonation of Furry. Great dynamics, and Joni's voice was arguably at it's peak - could still hit the high notes, but was developing that deeper patina. #5 - Miles of Aisles - The entire album. This album is the benchmark for live albums for me. The song selection is damn near perfect, the band is great, the arrangements are all top notch, often transcending the original studio versions. For people in climates with major seasonal differences - particularly cold winters - I highly recommend come spring time to make a date with this album. On that first day of spring - not the first day of spring according to the calendar, but that first absolutely perfect, "Oh my God, is it beautiful out" kind of day - pop this baby in the car stereo and head for the country. There is nothing like it. By the way, if anyone takes me up on this recommendation, let me know how it was! Honorable Mentions - Not done by Joni #1 - A Case of You / Diana Krall - TNT Special. I have a lady friend who is also a great Joni fan, and about once every other month or so we get together for a Joni night. We take turns picking out songs to play, and are always competing against each other trying to come up with the best set lists, etc. Anyway, she came over the night of the TNT special and we were having a ball. What a magic night that was. Cindi Lauper's Carey was inspired, as were most of the other songs. But nothing prepared us for Diana's version of A Case of You. When it was all over, the two of us just looked at each other and said OH MY GOD! I was recording the show, and after it was all over, we played it three or four times in row. And a great big thank you to Napster, for giving me a way to download this and putting it to a CD. This maybe heresy, but I can actually forget about Joni's versions when I hear this. #2 - Dancing Barefoot / Patti Smith - On XRT Live Volume 5. If you're ever throwing a party, and can't get people up to dance, put this on the stereo. Anyone still sitting at the end of the song should be crossed off all future guest lists! #3 - Across the Border / Bruce Springsteen - Ghost of Tom Joad tour. Beautiful song put way over the top by the otherworldly yodeling (yes, yodeling) at the end of song. In person, it took my breath away - loses a little on the recording, but still pretty magical. #4 - Psycho Killer / Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense (the first version). SMS was recently re-released, and thankfully so - it contains several more songs than the original, but they use a different version of Psycho Killer, and I think the original was better - a little more kick ass. Either version is great though, setting the tone for one of the best rock and roll movies ever made. I played this song on DVD at my New Year's Eve party, with the intention of only playing this song. We ended up watching the whole movie and danced our fool heads off. Instant party - just a water (or other favorite beverage of choice!). #5 - Dancing in the Dark / Mary Chapin Carpenter. This is only available on a CD single (or the afore mentioned napster). In my opinion, this was one of Bruce Springsteen's worse songs, made all the more intolerable by the amount of airplay it got, and the horrible accompanying video. What Mary does with song is indescribable. She doesn't just reinvent it, she pulls it apart, jumps up and down on it, shreds it to little pieces, throws it in a blender, drinks it with a tequila chaser, and let's it ooze out of her pores! It's almost unrecognizable (thank goodness), and stunningly beautiful. While we are on the subject of Live music, one of the many amazing things I think about Joni is her live product. In my opinion, most live albums are novelties, or simply money making devices. While I have numerous live albums in my collection, aside from Joni's and Talking Head's Stop Making Sense, I would be hard pressed to name one, let alone think about the last time I played one start to finish. The fact that these albums have stood the test of time, and hold their own against her studio releases really says something. These albums weren't filler thrown out after the tour in an effort to pick our wallets a little cleaner. These are more like historical recordings - beautifully capturing an artist in prime form - not just resting on her laurels, or churning out the hits, but reinterpreting her catalog, and presenting it a new. I think Joni sometimes shoots herself in the foot when she performs live, mostly in her song selection (Three Great Stimulants at Farm Aid comes immediately to mind), but I say Amen and Alleluia to her courage and conviction to always be true to herself first, last and foremost. Jack np - The Weaver and the Factory Maid - Steeleye Span - with special thanks to Ashara for reminding what a great group this is! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:16:57 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Threefer Madness - ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Is Joni addressing the idea that jaded folks are intoxicated by the idea of > innocence and their opportunity to corrupt it? Nicely said Ken, it works for me. It also occurs to me that she could mean innocence as freedom from legal guilt for "crimes" resulting from the use of artifice and brutality. Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:36:53 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite Live Songs (md) (SJC) If bands other than Joni can be counted Ill nominate the following: By the way i LOOOVE Furry Sings the Blues version you mention. but I will nominate the following: 1) Young Man Blues -The Who -Live at Leeds 2) Higher- Sly and the Family Stone - Woodstock 3) Ball and Chain- Janis Joplin and Big brother and the Holding Company - Monterrey 4) Try a Little Tenderness - Otis Redding - Live in Paris 5) How can a Poor Man Stand Such Times and Live- Ry Cooder - Wolfgangs 6) Little Help From My friends- Joe Cocker- Woodstock 7) Jumping at Shadows- Fleetwood Mac - Boston Tea party 1969 8) The Wall- Pink Floyd - Live version 9) Wont get Fooled Again - The Who- Sheppherds Bush 10) Lucile- Luittle Riichard- live at the Appollo Theater ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:45:08 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Threefer Madness In a message dated 01/22/2001 8:38:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, p.a.oconnor@worldnet.att.net writes: << It also occurs to me that she could mean innocence as freedom from legal guilt for "crimes" resulting from the use of artifice and brutality. >> This is an excellent thought and I would put forth the notion that it's not only "legal guilt," but emotional guilt as well. It's so easy to be "innocent" and never ever have to take responsibilities for your actions that hurt and wound other people and relationships with "artifice and brutality." MG ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #24 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?