From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #20 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, January 19 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 020 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's Favorite? [JRMCo1@aol.com] RE: A Joni contest - Let's have some fun! ["Wally Kairuz" ] FW: Vinyl Collectors! ["Michael Cooper" ] Re: A Joni contest - Let's have some fun! [Merk54@aol.com] DRJD, song by song [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] "Musician of the Millennium" Contest! ["cassy" ] NAMM News ["Michael Paz" ] Joni painting ["c Karma" ] Re: Joni painting [Penny ] Re: DRJD, song by song [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni's Favorite? [JRMCo1@aol.com] Ommisions ["Frederick Freeman" (by way of Les I] The MP3 tribute to Joni continues !!! ["Frederick Freeman" ] Both Sides No on DVD ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Jungle line;my newest convert ["Megan" ] Re: Jungle line;my newest convert [Relayer211@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:06:09 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Favorite? <> I was thinking about it, Debra, but the way you tell it old New York doesn't sound near wanton enough for me quite yet. Maybe my best bet is to chill here on the left coast til the Big Apple is good and squalid again. :-) Don't even get me started on Disney! lol I've always dreamed of living for the City...I'm intent on making it there for an extended stay at some point. Lately I've been thinking to myself: if not now, when? The notion is one I've become enamored with and am beginning to visualize, which is key for me. I even committed to a 'Contract With Myself' to conquer my NYC dream, which I dutifully wrote up with a stick, in the sand, on the beaches of Monterey, CA last weekend. Problem is, it was a *very* nice beach and a gorgeous, warm day and the waves washed up the shore gently, but summarily, annuling the signed pact. Never a Public Notary around when you *really* need one. Truth is, my feet start dragging and my knees get weak when I take steps away from this Northern California-ness. I don't mean to "Start Spreading the News" quite yet, but someday soon... Thanks much for your thoughts on the Mayall piece, Debra. I think they're quite right on. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 06:59:04 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: A Joni contest - Let's have some fun! hi jack!!!! glad you delurked! i will be hysterically anxious, running up and down the streets and howling from the roof in my apartment building until feb. 21, but i think i can handle it. did you choose that date because it is your birthday? folks: DON'T miss jack's artwork!!!!! you'll love his cleverness and of course joni's face, for god's sake! so go there and buy the thing!!!!! wallyK, sleepless at 7 am, and blessing god for the cooling breeze and the rain after another 100-degree week... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:12:21 -0000 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: Larry Klein Found this Bill http://www.worldsend.com/producers.html LARRY KLEIN is currently working on a new JONI MITCHELL album. He just completed touring with JONI MITCHELL as Musical Director. He recently completed tracks with ANNE McCUE for Relentless, JACKIE BRISTOW for Liberation and an orchestral album, "Both Sides Now" with JONI MITCHELL for Reprise. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:06:15 -0800 From: "Michael Cooper" Subject: FW: Vinyl Collectors! Lord knows, my wife is a patient woman. She'll listen to whatever music I drag home, go to shows, listen to me drone on about music. But she draws the line at having multiple copies of the same music cluttering up the house. After months of dragging my feet, and after hauling all my old vinyl from our old house to our new one, I have begun weeding out vinyl records that I now have on CD. Before I drag them to the used record shop, I thought a JMDLer might be interested in a few slabs of vintage Joni vinyl. I don't make any great claims on condition. These records were used and loved for many, many years. But they would rather find a new home in a loving JMDL house than in a dusty used record shop. We can work out a trade (maybe for some CD trade list items). The Joni titles looking for a new home are: Court and Spark (textured cover) Hejira Ladies of the Canyon Blue If you'd like to see the full list let me know and I'll e-mail it to ya! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:28:46 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: A Joni contest - Let's have some fun! Wally, No, Feb 21 is not my birthday, I just picked that day in order to give everyone time to participate in the contest. My actual birthday is coming up though - Feb 1! Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:32:51 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: DRJD, song by song The article that Les posted the other day sent me scurrying to the lyrics for the entire DJRD album! Whew! I forget sometimes what a treasure chest of concepts and symbols and words that project really is... I was looking at it with Joni's quote in mind: "Basically it has to do with turning your back on America and heading into the Third World...at the time Muslims were messing around in Washington, there were radical tensions. I was disillusioned. The songs on the album have a lot of ethnic references and there's a certain sentimentality for the North American Indian." Certainly, we could talk about this record for months...in looking at the lyrics and thinking about them over the past couple of days, lots of specific questions popped up, but I'll sit on those for now in favor of a general overview of DJRD. I never really looked it in depth as a whole, and it was interesting to do so. And it also fits with how the album was originally released. Not to say that Joni's WRONG, but I'm having a tough time rationalizing her 'theme' of the project as described above. Side One: 1. Cotton Avenue - She starts in the country, but is drawn by the city lights and the excitement, the people. 2. Talk To Me - Is this addressed to someone she just has met on Cotton Ave, or to an established relationship? It's always seemed to me to be about the latter. In either regard, from this conflict comes... 3. Jericho - The end of the first side and the resolution of the first "movement" as she declares her honest sense of love and all it entails with the person in "Talk to Me" Side 2: Paprika Plains - She begins, possibly back in the Cotton Avenue location, some public place to be sure, steps outside to 'get some air', and begins to reflect on the country, open plains of her homeland, and the North American Indians. She segues into a flashback/fantasy/dream sequence, and then returns to her companion in the club with the 'mirrored ball'. This is the song that Joni uses to introduce her ultimate theme as she expresses it above. Side 3. 1. Otis & Marlena - Perhaps she is totally OUT of this portrait, or perhaps she is superimposing the relationship she's been discussing with this couple who escape & observe the superficial decadence of this hotel setting. 2. Tenth World - a segue from the "dream on" chant of O&M, and a segue from that very consumable commercial world to the African 'Dreamland'. From the tenth world to the third world... 3. Dreamland - "It's a long long way from Canada"...is Good Time Mary & The Fortune Hunter the alterego or the antithesis of Otis & Marlena? The song is loaded with contrasts and is clearly the heart of Joni's theme of entering the third world and turning your back on the kind of world she descibes in O&M. Completes the song cycle of side 3. Side 4. 1. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter - This song is a continuance of Joni's dealing with her "country" side and her "city" side...missing her fresh white linen...the battle between the eagle (the standard that others (Myrtle?) hold her to) and the serpent (the temptations and muses she is drawn to). "Restless for streets & honky tonks, restless for home & routine". 2. Off Night Backstreet - The flipside of Jericho, she introduces the song by wondering if she hasn't been kidding herself, and the confidence & extra time she's asked of her partner have NOT been exchanged. She realizes that she's relegated to the role of the woman who is there when she's needed and that's it. 3. Silky Veils of Ardor - Now she withdraws herself from the relationship altogether, but just like in "Amelia", she longs to crash back into the arms of love. She realizes that only in her dreams can she return to the way things used to be, whether it's her life in the country and that attitude, or the romance that once was a flame and is now a cinder. I don't really see her returning to her theme on the final side, perhaps she centers it to represent it as the "core" of the record, and "frames" it with a love story. I don't know...I'm just thinking out loud here. Whatever, DJRD is a VERY dense work, musically but especially lyrically. I'd be anxious to hear what you guys think...and perhaps in the midst of some general thoughts, we can address some specific questions as well. Bob NP: Susana Baca, "Negra Presentuosa" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:56:49 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: "Musician of the Millennium" Contest! "Musician of the Millennium" Contest! Tell us your choice for best band or performer -- and help your favorite be named "Spun Musician of the Millennium." enter your choice at: http://www.spun.com/promos/upc/index-two-bands.jsp I guess it never hurts to try! Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:11:48 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: NAMM News FRI 19 - SUN 21: NAAM SHOW MUSICIANS AND MUSIC WHOLESALERS: Look for Lisa at the SWR Amplifiers, Zeta Violins, Yamaha Instruments, and Gig Magazine booths at Anaheim Convention Center! (This event is not open to the general public - badge required.) Just got this info from Lisa. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:15:21 From: "c Karma" Subject: Joni painting Does anyone have a recollection of the digest where the url for the sale of the painting "Nighttime at the Nucleus" appeared, or did anyone make note of or bookmark it? I'd like to track the disposition of that work, and that url is my first step. Thanks. CC "Then you got into funny scenes that all your work discloses." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:40:05 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: Re: Joni painting Here it is: http://www.doubletakeart.com/cgi-bin/dtg/dt.sla?cc=dtg&ai=00379' Don't forget to click on the thumbnail. And isn't it a fabulous painting! I think one of my favorites of Joni's I've seen so far! Thanks to whoever originally found this url! Penny Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:24:13 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: DRJD, song by song I'm kind of scratching my head here ... what's DRJD? Don't Riddle Just Dance? Darling Roberta's Jazz Ditties? Digital Remasters Jump Down? Don Rowe's Just Desserts? Inquiring minds want to know! Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:23:01 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Favorite? Thanks Kakki, Penny, Cassy, Jim, Debra and everyone who chimed in with insights on the Mayall print. Very enlightening. When it comes to knowledge of all things Joni, this list continues to be "the bomb." It's clear to me now that the female figure in the painting is not our Joan at all. Logic dictates that it's probably a piece she saw, admired and had named in her honor belatedly by Mayall, which is still sorta cool, IMO. So, now it's off to the L.A. mini-Jonifest! Looking forward to hanging with Kakki, Kate, Darice, Nikki, Paz, Steve, Alison, Clark, Phyllis and various friends of friends down there through the NAMM convention weekend. What fun! We'll be posting reports of the goings on to the list periodically. Godspeed to everyone traveling that way and peace to all. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:39:48 -0700 From: "Frederick Freeman" (by way of Les Irvin ) Subject: Ommisions I forgot to mention in my last post The author of the original file was Gerald Hillman Gerald the file was humorous and a fitting tribute to Joni, with the "Who's that" ! It made me want to put Joni in there !! You can get the new file at http://www.egroups.com/group/JoniMitchellfans Frederick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:39:35 -0700 From: "Frederick Freeman" (by way of Les Irvin ) Subject: The MP3 tribute to Joni continues !!! Hello JMDL ! I havent posted in a while but I've been reading the posts. I just heard the MP3 file "Miss+Paved+Paradise" I was immediatly inspired to make some additions to it in tribute to La Mitchell. I'm pretty confident that the author will be flattered, I hope so. I must make a disclaimer just as the original author did that this is done purley for fun and I'm not profiting on it, especially since mine uses actual Joni samples. I have posted it to the JoniMitchell fans E-group as Pave the Way for La Mitchell I used the following samples, see if you can hear them all !!!!!! Rocky Horror criminologist Black Crow guitar riff A drum fill from the begining of Carey on Miles of Aisles first piano chord from Blue on Miles of Aisles Joni singing "Paved Paradise" from BYT Joni singing "Please" from BYT Joni laughing from BYT Joni singing "Dont it always seem to go....." from BYT Austin Powers saying "Allow myself to introduce.." Indigo Girls saying "allright! (Amy) dancin! (Emily) Shoo-Bops from BYT Patsy from Ab-Fab saying "right cheers, thanks a lot" A DJ record scratch Guitar solo from begining of Woodstock on Miles of Aisles Opening riff of "Trouble Child" Faye Dunaway as Joan Crawford saying "if ya cant do something..." Joni's Introduction on Miles of Aisles Don Alias Conga loop from Shadows & Light Don Alias Conga fill from Shadows & Light 1-2 and laughter from begining of Carey on Miles of Aisles Begining guitar of Circle Game from Miles of Aisles ENJOY!!! I had a lot of fun doing it ! Frederick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 19:56:13 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: Joni painting Penny, Wow! I really like this painting. It reminds me of Francis Bacon's work, in the color and energy. Don't I wish I could afford to buy this??! Thanks for the link! Diane >From: Penny >Reply-To: Penny >To: c Karma , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Joni painting >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:40:05 -0800 (PST) > >Here it is: > >http://www.doubletakeart.com/cgi-bin/dtg/dt.sla?cc=dtg&ai=00379' > >Don't forget to click on the thumbnail. And isn't it a fabulous painting! > I think one of my favorites of Joni's I've seen so far! Thanks to >whoever originally found this url! > >Penny >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:58:28 -0000 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Both Sides No on DVD Hi Can someone explain why CDNow is selling Both Sides Now on DVD? What does that mean? This surely must be a mistake! Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:33:40 -0500 From: "Megan" Subject: Jungle line;my newest convert Lama, Isn't it great making new converts? I get a tremendous kick out of it myself & I know, too, that guy is going to go bonkers when he sees Jaco jamming with Pat Methany, Joni, Brecker, Don Alias--you just made his YEAR, never mind his day.I recently converted my 23-yr. old babysitter, who had previously been into Britney & the boy bands, but was inundated with Joni for hours at a time due to my daughter Lindsey's utter devotion to her ( Lindsey SCREAMS if you try to take Joni off & put on something else, with the exception of a little Neil Young when she's in the mood) So the babysitter goes, "I never knew JM did that Janet Jackson song ( Got til It's Gone) !" I laughed and saw the surprised look on her face when I told her it was the other way around.After many months of listening to Joni, she told me the other day she prefers Joni's "newer stuff" to her "older stuff",which made me very happy, but just about put me into cardiac arrest.Ah, there's hope for the Gen-X er's yet... And thank you for that astounding post on the "Jungle Line";HOSL has always been one of my favorite Joni records of all time( top two) & I must admit that 25 yrs. ago when I first heard it, I didn't appreciate it's innovative rhythms the way I came to in later years.I find it absolutely mesmerizing now, but even after all these years had thought it to be simply a song about Rousseau's artistic exploration & journey into musical and drug experimentation( which often goes along with that, even in those days). But after reading your post, I now see that there's probably much more to this than I ever realized.You've given me a tremendous amount of food for thought & I'm going to have fun digesting it! Thanks again------- Peace, Megan :~) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:31:06 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Jungle line;my newest convert In a message dated 1/18/01 10:20:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, megallen@citlink.net writes: << . I recently converted my 23-yr. old babysitter, who had previously been into Britney & the boy bands, but was inundated with Joni for hours at a time due to my daughter Lindsey's utter devotion to her >> In my opinion you deserve a meddle for that.Joni compared to brittany and the boy bands is like comparing a Fellini movie to Lethal Weapon 36...It's such a shame that the younger generation has that garbage shoved down their throats. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #20 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?