From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #17 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, January 16 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 017 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: My free music (md) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Charity / Cherokee [Michael Paz ] Re: Happy Birthday Dr. King [Michael Paz ] Re: politics and our rigidity [dsk ] Muslims stick up Washington [Les Irvin ] Re: Jungle Line... 100% Joni Mitchell Content!! [dsk Subject: Re: My free music (md) Marcel is not a negative person. Consider this: It's just his literary style. He's paying Carlton a very great compliment here but it *sounds* like he's correcting him. Telling him he's wrong. Carlton said, <<< and my gay bros and/or fellow Brian Wilson freaks will like my homage to the Beach Boys called "Boys on the Sand." >>> to which Marcel said, - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:22:08 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: My free music (md) Sorry Carlton but this song isnt just for your gay brothers this ones for any and everyone. Its a classic. Marcel - ------------------------------ Okay, now Marcel!! You're not the hard ass you appear to be! You're not arrogant. You are a softie too....... Some times..... Once in a while..... Okay, well, *once*! :) Now Carlton, don't you think it's time to *sell* your disc? I mean, now that you have all of this praise from discerning listeners, maybe it's time to let cdbaby have a shot at selling it..... Lama BTW, Marcel, you misspelled "isn't", and "It's". :) These are indisputable facts, straight from a moderate. My source was not the lapdog liberal press. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:39:59 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Charity / Cherokee Hi Emily- Conceal (sorry i mistakenly typed an ed unintentionally) is from Ludwig's Tune. Magnet and Iron kind of sum up FTR for me (my fave of all time even though I play all most all of Hejira and only a couple from FTR). They are such powerful words. When I played with a rock band in Honduras we thought of both of those words when naming the band. As it turns out we didn;t use either of them and went and entirely different way. Zorzal was the bands name. It is a bird indiginous to Honduras esp. the North Coast and there are beautiful birds that you sometimes even see at night and they tend to dive in front of your car headlights as you drive. I think they tend to nest in underbrush (strangly enough). Conceal-when she sings this I FEEL so much emotion and I can't tell you why. Many of her songs do that to me. Banquet often makes me tear up. In Lesson in Survival I often think of my folks although I never painted my eyelids green or worn a kick pleat skirt (I did wear a flapper dress once but i digress) it brings me inages of my youth and my first guitar and mom and dad... I find the inflections in her voice combined with the tunings and execution of the entire songs are so over the top. This mainly why I choose not to change her stuff too much when I play it and just try to put myself in the song that she wrote and feel from there. Later Michael NP-Message Man-the subdudes on 1/15/01 6:17 AM, Emily Kirk Gray at ekg200@is5.nyu.edu wrote: > hi michael! i don't know if we've ever written directly > to one another before! how fun! > > anyway, you wrote: >>> Another couple of single words > that did it for mer were: > > "magnet and iron" > "concealed"<< > > ok, i recognize "magnet and iron" immediately from > "lesson in survival" (one of my favorites) -- but "concealed" > is on the tip of my brain, and yet...no dice (nice > mixed metaphors, emily!). what song is that? and > also, if i may, why do these specific words/phrases > strike you? what do you hear her voice doing in them? > > i'm so interested. > > --emily ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:30:01 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Dr. King on 1/15/01 8:20 PM, simon@icu.com at simon@icu.com wrote: > others may have forgotten, but not i ... in the late 70's the effort to > establish a national holiday in honor of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King > was stalled and passage seemed hopeless. > > (in large messure) due to the tireless efforts of Stevie Wonder, > Right! eventually won out over ignorance. and we now honor this > man who many reviled while he lived. thankx man. Simon Regretfully the fight is still NOT over. Thanks for the post and the reminder. Michael NP-Boogie with Stu-Led Zep ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:48:42 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: politics and our rigidity MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > So you tell me who wins that argument. This is the crux of the problem in communicating with you, Marcel. You're the only one on the list who thinks there's any winning or losing going on here. Everyone else is involved in conversations, not death matches where information is used as weaponry. What's the point of that? Where's any enjoyment in that? You're the only one playing a wargame so for you to scold anyone about not responding to your weapons is meaningless. Especially in political discussions, most of your information comes from right-wing propaganda websites without you recognizing or admitting to their one-sidedness. There's no evidence from you of thinking or discovering or questioning or willingness to genuinely consider another person's viewpoint and thereby have an actual give and take conversation; you just repeat huge amounts of information like a robot and when you don't automatically "win" your argument by doing that, your next weapons are outright snideness, hatefulness and meanspiritedness. So, once a person has had one such experience, why would anyone bother responding to you again? Knowing your attitude, I don't even bother reading most of what you write, and never read the unwanted private messages I receive from you; they go right into the trash since you continue to send them even after my requests that you respond publicly to a public post. So you're in the war all by yourself and thinking you're winning. That's very sad. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:51:37 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Muslims stick up Washington Joniphiles - There's been a flurry of activity in the articles database lately, as a number of people have responded to my plea for help with typing. Two particularly interesting ones have recently been put on the site: The Making of the 'Hejira' Cover: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/8506rp1.cfm The Making of the 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter' Cover http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/8506rp2.cfm Does Joni finally resolve the "Muslims stick up Washington" dilemma?? Still more typing to do if anyone is interested... Les, posting twice in one month... he must be stopped! NP - Pierre Bensusan, "L'Alchimiste" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:04:40 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Jungle Line... 100% Joni Mitchell Content!! Tanya, In addition to the discussion Kakki mentioned, there was a thread about a year and a half ago about the Jungle Line. In case you don't know about it yet, it's here: http://www.jmdl.com/th-jungleline.cfm You'll see that it's a little rough for many people, along with lots of other reactions and thoughts about it. Debra Shea TanyerSCO@aol.com wrote: > I've been listening to the album as a whole and loving it, but Jungle Line is > still a little rough. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:31:01 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Jungle Line... 100% Joni Mitchell Content!! I also want to mention that it may be a good thing that you are having a hard time with "The Jungle line".I think that Great Art should not always be pleasent.Sometimes,it is difficult to understand,or ugly,or complex and takes awhile to sink in ...that can make it more valuable.Joni's music is not "easy listening",in the case of that song,literally so...but maybe the effort that you make into appreciating the song will be worth it... ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #17 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?