From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #16 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, January 15 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 016 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Interesting Items on Ebay - Joni autographs ["Kakki" ] My free music [CarltonCT@aol.com] RE: Joni's Life, Loves, Music ["Deb Messling" ] Re: My free music (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Joni Mitchell Companion & HOSL [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Charity / Cherokee [Emily Kirk Gray ] MP3s and more [jonifan@clearsong.com] Re: Joni's Life, Loves, Music & gay support? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Jim's on Joni's Jungle Line [catman ] "Waking The Dead" features ACOY [Don Rowe ] RE: Joni Mitchell Companion ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Jungle Line, ~~ an essay, very long, 100% Joni Mitchell Content!! ["] thanks Chris ["Garret" ] Re: "Waking The Dead" features ACOY ["Victor Johnson" ] the whore is happy tonight ["Wally Kairuz" ] Number One - read as ... ["william" ] Re: Jungle Line... 100% Joni MitchellContent!! [dsk ] Celebrating MLK day ["Blair Fraipont" ] Happy Birthday Dr. King [simon@icu.com] Dr. King, NOT! a dreamer [simon@icu.com] Dr. King (Audio & Video) [simon@icu.com] I Have A Dream [simon@icu.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:13:35 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Interesting Items on Ebay - Joni autographs I'll add my personal buyers beware - I think that probably 99% of the so-called authentic Joni autographed items on eBay are fake, and not even good fakes. I truly cringe every time I see one come up and see people bidding sometimes very high prices for these items. Even if they say they have a COA - Certificate of Authenticity, these are mostly fakes, sad to say. A number of people on the list have the real deal, so if anyone out there is thinking of bidding on this type of item, they might want to run it by the list here first for a better "authentication." Once in a while in a big blue moon, there will come a real one. ;-) Kakki Paz wrote: >I went to the site and check it out and noticed that the >pick gurad is NOT screwed into the guitar. I wrote her >back and told her I smelled a rat. The master sleuth >herselff went back on the prowl and came up with one >signed by Whitney Houston. Looks like the same guitar >with interchangeable pick guards. I still can't figure out >what the whole scam is. My thoughts are he is copying >the signitures and imprinting them on pickguards and >selling cheap ass guitars for too much money. WHY >THE HELL would Whitney sign a strat anyways?? >Anyways buyers beware. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:25:22 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Jungle Line, ~~ an essay, very long, 100% Joni Mitchell Content!! Tanya, I bet there are others more expert at the searches than I am, but if you go to smoe.org and then lists and then Joni it brings up all the digest archives for the past few years. I think these were sometime last Spring. I'm sure a more proficient jmdler can give you better guidance. By the time HOSL came out I was into buying 8-tracks for my little car player and never had it on vinyl or CD until just a few years ago. The 8-track was well-worn and although it didn't hit me like previous Jonis, it always intrigued me artistically. I always got the theme of suburban disaffection and alienation. Plus I loved the whole swimming pool and lawn sprinklers imagery as a sort of icon for post 50s-60s suburban banality. However, it took the list here and also hearing the HOSL demos for me to truly appreciate it in greater depth. Kakki > >>Sounds like a great idea! How can I check out these archives? > > I've been listening to the album as a whole and loving it, but Jungle Line is > still a little rough. The music reminds me of something I once heard by > Bjork, but I can't remember what.] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:32:14 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni Mitchell Companion & HOSL In the latest issue of Relix mag there is a review of book called the Joni Mitchell Companion. It sounds interesting with lots of her interviews through the years in it. Has anyone seen this book? Does anyone on the list read Relix? Here is why I have it---someone just emailed me to tell me they did a really nice review of my CD! Sorry if I am shamefully plugging, its just SO exciting to get recognition for this. So rewarding. And quite funny cuz Relix is kinda Dead Heady (I was never into the Greatful Dead) but they have other music in there too obviously. There is also a photo of Jeff Pevar & a really nice shot of David Crosby. But I digress... Jim the Lama! You have convinced me to get a copy of HOSL!!!!!! What a great essay!!! I must confess, I have not listened to that album since long long ago when it first came out. So I will have to make this my next Joni purchase. Thanks for the divine inspiration! (And guess what picture I have hanging above my computer desk? Rousseau's The Sleeping Gypsy. I have always loved that painting, for me it is a kind of visual representation of the creative songwriting process... ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:39:52 EST From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: My free music www.cdbaby.com/clarkcarlton Hey Joni-junkies - Off of the politics and religion to do a little flagrant self-promotion here. With advice from our own lovely and talented Kate Bennet, my own CD is now for sale (only 12 dollars) through CD-Baby. They threw together a website for me, so you can at least see what my naked back looks like as well as my Martin guitar with the ocean superimposed on it. And if you don't want to buy my CD, you can hear a few clips for free. I think the people on this list would most like to hear "Most of All", and my gay bros and/or fellow Brian Wilson freaks will like my homage to the Beach Boys called "Boys on the Sand." They also invite people who know the album to submit a review of it. This is your chance to help promote me or take revenge on me for all my virulent opinions. Patrick is right, I am a deeply feeling person, and I think my music reflects that too. Resident conservative contrarian Marcel Deste has also seen past my hopeless liberal affliction and recognized me as someone of abilities. So check me out. The album, SALT WATER, is dedicated to Roberta Joan Anderson who I owe a great debt to, like any other singer/songwriter who has followed in her gorgeous, mesmerizing wake. I wasn't real happy with the quality of the sound as it came out of my iMac and through my headphones, but maybe you will get something of greater fidelity. www.cdbaby.com/clarkcarlton universal love, ecstasy, intensity, Clark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:39:34 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Joni's Life, Loves, Music Your treasure is a quickie bio that is full of shallow analysis and REALLY GREAT PHOTOS. You may find that most of the photos have showed up on Catgirl's list and other forums, but it's nice to have them all bound up. The book ends at HOSL, and the author pans it! > I am really excited as I just made and won my > first ever bid on ebay and it is for an oop book > published in '76 called "Joni Mitchell: Her Life, > Her Loves, Her Music". I think it's been > mentioned onlist before but I don't recall the > reviews... So I'd appreciate any input/info on my > new treasure anyone can give me... :o) > - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:22:08 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: My free music (md) <<< and my gay bros and/or fellow Brian Wilson freaks will like my homage to the Beach Boys called "Boys on the Sand." >>> Sorry Carlton but this song isnt just for your gay brothers this ones for any and everyone. Its a classic. Marcel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:22:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Companion & HOSL <> It's a great book, Kate. Stacey Luftig, the editor, was (is?) on the list while she was working on the project. It's basically a collection of articles/reviews & interviews, starting from the beginning of Joni's career to the present. It's very well-conceived and executed, and Les & the list get a "thank-you" in the beginning! Two thumbs up from me...check it out. Bob NP: The Afghan Whigs, "Brother Woodrow/Closing Prayer" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:17:28 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Re: Charity / Cherokee hi michael! i don't know if we've ever written directly to one another before! how fun! anyway, you wrote: >> Another couple of single words that did it for mer were: "magnet and iron" "concealed"<< ok, i recognize "magnet and iron" immediately from "lesson in survival" (one of my favorites) -- but "concealed" is on the tip of my brain, and yet...no dice (nice mixed metaphors, emily!). what song is that? and also, if i may, why do these specific words/phrases strike you? what do you hear her voice doing in them? i'm so interested. - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:39:54 -0600 From: jonifan@clearsong.com Subject: MP3s and more > Post more Joni mp3's to your site as well. i also enjoyed >the Neil Cover. I encourage you other music sluts and computer nerds to >hightail it over to this site and check them out. Thanks for the plug. I have a new CD in the works planned for late summer that will have Jericho and Don't Let It Bring You Down plus a lot of other covers ranging from "One More For the Road" to "White Rabbit" to "Grapefruit Moon (Tom Waits) and a few new songs of my own. But I need to sell a lot more of my first CD before I can get to the next one. Thanks to one and all for you comments and support! _____________________________________________ Richard Isen Clearsong Records . . .because a song is like a good companion. please visit http://www.clearsong.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:33:32 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's Life, Loves, Music & gay support? "P. Henry" wrote: > hi gang, > > I am really excited as I just made and won my > first ever bid on ebay and it is for an oop book > published in '76 called "Joni Mitchell: Her Life, > Her Loves, Her Music". I think it's been > mentioned onlist before but I don't recall the > reviews... So I'd appreciate any input/info on my > new treasure anyone can give me... :o) > > Also, (and forgive me if this has already been > spoken of as I'm way behind on my digests as > usual) I was surprised to find the following item > listed as I was unaware of it's existence. Let me > say first that I am not gay and, personally, have > always found the rants on personal gay > relationships onlist as inappropriate because 1) > as I said, it is personal and I never saw the > same thing from the non-gay listers about their > relationships, (which, btw, I would find just as > boring unless it was somehow relevant to > something Joni) There have been many posts to this list where straight members have discussed their romantic relationships. Very many. It would be nice to hear from you then about their rants and how boring it all is to you. > 2) I've never known of any > particular interest Joni had in gay society or > any specific relevance of it to her music in > general other than the fact that the beauty of > her art seems to attract gays and str8s alike, > and Joni has been maintained a high profile with regards to gay rights in the L.A. area, recently attending a Lambda Awards dinner in support of Lambda's work to support positive gay images in the media. Several have been mentioned in Joni History Today posts. > 3) being str8 myself, it just didn't interest > me... Maybe this is the real reason for your opinion. Last Gay Pride I posted several messages describing Joni's inclusion in the cd Pride disc, even offering copies to those interested. I think that she was again showing support for the gay community which has been so supportive of her over the years. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:36:43 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Jim's on Joni's Jungle Line Jim's very long essay on the Jungle Line is possibly the best analysis of any of Joni's work I've read here on the Line. (No offence to anyone else). Streaming with a ritual of sound advice. Now Jim, can I say I've never found Dancing Clown quite as accessible as the other material on CMIARS and could you enlighten us on that one? Just joking. Number One, Lead Balloon, Dancing Clown, Flat Tyres and all those of that style ....... well, they leave me cold if not cringing. The band plugs in again. Whereas, Free Man, This Flight, In France, Good Friends. Up-beat authentic Joni seems to say more with less. Compete with the fans for the rock and roll man. Hands up all those for The Jungle Line. Hands up all those for Dancing Clown. Twins of spirit no matter which route home we take. Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:04:33 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Jim's on Joni's Jungle Line > Hands up all > those for The Jungle Line. well include me. As I have said before, I got into Joni by hearing The Jungle Line on the radio back in 75. I liked it immediately and went out and bought THOSL. The rest is history. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:57:46 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: "Waking The Dead" features ACOY Don't know it this was discussed earlier. I'm on full list and tend to delete whole threads untouched -- BUT - -- we rented a little indie release this weekend, "Waking The Dead." Well right off the bat, what to my wondering ears should appear but the original release of ACOY. Anyone else catch this one? I thought it interesting, as well, that Jody Foster was the Exec. Producer on it ... Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:35:05 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell Companion That's cool that Stacy is a list member & used the JMDL as a resource. Congratulations Stacy! Deb asked which issue, it is the Relix currently in stores (got mine in Borders)which is December, vol 27 no. 6 ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:30:08 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Jungle Line, ~~ an essay, very long, 100% Joni Mitchell Content!! Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >I think of "In France They Kiss On >Main Street" as classic Joni. wow. and i consider this post classic JMDL! GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:59:46 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: thanks Chris To start with, i'm not actually too sure if this is considered join content or not...dont want to annoy anyone....apologising profusely if i am! Chris Marshall from Cambridge, England yesterday returned home after *almost* a week spent in Dublin:-) Chris is the first and only JMDLer i have ever met. Last summer, as some of ye may recall, i invaded the united states for three months. at the time of my departure from Ireland i had been on the list for about three and a half months. at that same time i had been corresponding with Chris for about three and a half months. we had built up quite a rapport; on occasion e-mailing each other a few times in the space of a day. one of the highlights of my summer in New Engalnd was breakfast with Chris. i finally put a face to the name and mail. well, i returned to Ireland and life went on. Chris and i made plans for me to visit Cambridge or him to visit Dublin. i dont know if we thought we were joking:-) over new years i went to amsterdam, chris went to austria! by way of recovery he decided that a leisurely few days in Dublin's Fair City would be well spent. what a fantastic way to kick off the new century! i would like to express my gratitude to Chris for coming here. in my role as "tourguide" i got to see my own city from another side, i realised that this actually is a really cool city. i learned a lot and with Chris i went to places not too far my own home that i would never have thought of. Chris, i'm sorry if my history lessons got a little too obscure, or, indeed, my fascination with those stone mushrooms was over the top but youknow all about me and fungi, lol. the conversation ranged from religion and cars to which joni albums are top of the heap. Chris i think i've got to thank you for being a great conversationalist, not vice versa, i only ramble like that when the other person creates trust. when the other person can talk back (and can forgive me for interrupting constantly:-) it is almost a year now since i signed up to the list for the first time; i think it is good time not to express my gratitude to Les for bringing all this to life. Les it's all your fault.....i've made some good friends here, and at least one with whom i will be acquainted for my life. it's all you fault:-) thank you so much. i look forward to blaming Les for my meeting many other wonderful people in person in the near future.....now that i've met one JMDLer, i'm dying to meet some more! GARRET NP- Billy Joel, Uptown Girl, hehe...it's for you Chris! ps- thank you for those sweet words this evening Chris, and dont stop texting me! makes me feel popular:-D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:21:31 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: "Waking The Dead" features ACOY Anyone else catch this one? I thought it > interesting, as well, that Jody Foster was the Exec. > Producer on it ... how ironic...I watched that this weekend as well and was going to mention the same thing. And I just realized also I forgot to return the movie on sunday... Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:06:38 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: thanks Chris I call on all here present to witness the following:- A member of the Marshall family absolutely without a clue for what to say next. You know how it is when you go to start a sentence? You draw breath, perhaps raise a finger to begin some sort of assertive gesture... and then you clamp your mouth shut again 'cos you suddenly realise that you don't, after all, quite know what you're going to say. Uh huh. s'me. So, without the benefit of a safety net or a bottle of wine to steady my hand, here goes :-) > To start with, i'm not actually too sure if this is considered join content > or not...dont want to annoy anyone....apologising profusely if i am! This, I think, is firmly in that "Joni List Content" category, whatever *that* is. It's a reminder of the power this list has to draw people together across continents, cultures, background, and lots of other profound things that I'm too tired to remember. And you beat me to it. I was contemplating a list post (which would be my first for months, I guess) to tell everyone what a great time we had over there in Dublin, but you beat me to it! Scoundrel :) [ Deletia: Garret went to New England last summer and...] > one of the highlights of my summer in New Engalnd was breakfast with Chris. > i finally put a face to the name and mail. History: I was over in the Boston area to meet a friend who was in Worcester for work reasons. I was lucky enough to go see Ashara for the day and to meet a few other Boston-area JMDLers that evening. I had planned all along to visit Cape Cod with the friend I was meeting, and did know that Garret was working there at the time, but we'd failed to really co-ordinate e-mails before I left, so had nothing firm arranged. Meeting Garret in Hyannis only happened by the skin of its teeth: the day before, my friend Chris and I had checked into a guesthouse that enabled me to get my e-mail. Pretty much at the same time, Garret managed to get an e-mail message out to me with a phone number. A couple of phone calls later, and it was arraged for the next day. The guesthouse owner *could* have told me to take a hike when I asked to use his computer and internet connection to check my e-mail... Hyannis was funny :) I'd been there a couple of years ago on a whistlestop USA tour with a crowd of friends. We had lunch at some greasy spoon cafe on the main street, principally because it was cheap. I vowed never to eat there again, especially with all the great seafood to be had on Cape Cod. So, Chris and I met Garret, and his friends JT and Donna. "Breakfast" was the cry, so I offered to buy, with the aim in mind of getting myself some of that seafood. I say breakfast: it was actually something like 11.30am. /Some/ of us had only just got up... :) Anyway, the assemblage was having none of my offer to buy food, the retort being "we know this great place..." So, there I was again, with this bizarre sense of deja-vu, renewing my vow not to eat there again... :-D > i would like to express my gratitude to Chris for coming here. in my role > as "tourguide" i got to see my own city from another side, i realised that > this actually is a really cool city. i learned a lot and with Chris i went > to places not too far my own home that i would never have thought of. > Chris, i'm sorry if my history lessons got a little too obscure, or, indeed, > my fascination with those stone mushrooms was over the top but youknow all > about me and fungi, lol. Pah - not a bit of it. If any of the rest of you manage to visit Dublin and get to meet Garret, you'll discover that this particular Uptown Boy (from the North side, so it fits) knows his history. He certainly opened my eyes to the richness of history in Dublin and the surrounding area and my four days there couldn't begin to do it all justice. I even span things around and dragged Garret out on a bus tour of some places around Dublin. I had reservations myself, bus tours having a slightly funny image, but it turned out to be a grand plan. I never knew, for instance, that on the outskirts of Dublin there's a place on a hillside that's the spitting image of Beverly Hills. (Now *that* was wierd...) And the castles... ah! Wonderful! And let me just say... the mushrooms *really* *were* made of stone, and had no magic properties at all. > the conversation ranged from religion and cars to which joni albums are top > of the heap. LOL! The funny thing is... we hardly listened to any Joni! I think I got one play of MOA one night in bed and that was it. I had thought that Hejira would make a wonderful companion for the bus trip. In place of Hejira, I had a grand tourguide to fill my head with history and observations about the passing city and countryside. Sorry Joni, but this once... > Chris i think i've got to thank you for being a great > conversationalist, not vice versa, i only ramble like that when the other > person creates trust. Bless you! It goes both ways though: I can't converse effectively unless there's someone to bounce off, so thank you for being an equally great conversationalist. (Hey, there's no false modesty here you know!) > when the other person can talk back > and I > can don't > forgive know > me what > for you > interrupting mean! > constantly:-) *grin* > it is almost a year now since i signed up to the list for the first time; i > think it is good time not to express my gratitude to Les for bringing all > this to life. Les it's all your fault..... I'd just like to second that. Les, well done. Wally, your memory and your spirit lives on. Peace. This list, this "place", is unlike any other I've ever experienced, and as a seasoned internet hack, I think that's pretty special. Long may it continue. > i've made some good friends here, > and at least one with whom i will be acquainted for my life. [draws breath, raises finger, clamps mouth shut, see top] > it's all you > fault:-) thank you so much. There. Les: be told :-) > NP- Billy Joel, Uptown Girl, hehe...it's for you Chris! LOL. It's been going around my head for the last day and a half dammit! > ps- thank you for those sweet words this evening Chris You are, as ever, most welcome. > and dont stop texting me! makes me feel popular:-D Garret and I would like to announce that we will be the sole source of funding for Orange* and Eircom* for the next two years based solely on our expenditure on international text messaging. *laugh* So, god, er, how to wrap up? I dunno. Is this JC? Is it NJC? Does everyone deserve to read this in the hope it renews a warm feeling about the list and the influence it can have on people's lives? No idea. I had a ball in Dublin: I got to see a great city, I ate some great food, I drank some damn fine alcohol, I talked myself hoarse, and I spent enough time there to realise that I haven't spent enough time there. If any of you reading (what, still?) are thinking of going... do it! Just drop everything and go. In conclusion, I think it just remains for me to raise my glass to someone rather special in Dublin, someone who's managed to restore my faith in a bunch of important things. Slainte! (look look, I even got the accent over the "a" :-) - --Chris [* Note for non-UK/Eire residents: Orange and Eircom are mobile phone network operators in the UK and Ireland. Otherwise referred to as "robbing bastards" ] PS. I have some great photos of some of the places surrounding Dublin. As soon as they're on my web server, I'll pass out the URL to anyone that wants it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:49:15 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: the whore is happy tonight well, i'm seriously considering changing my position from jmdl birthday fairy to whore of babylon in honor of p henry or whoever it was that complained about them perverts ranting about their sexual exploits while the saintly hetero gentry must endure and jerk off. incidentally, i saw a picture of p henry once and he's goddamned UGLY. why is it that most phobes are ugly? pat, keep the dreams coming boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wallyK, bearly a whore - -----Mensaje original----- De: Siresorrow@aol.com [mailto:Siresorrow@aol.com] Enviado el: Lunes, 15 de Enero de 2001 10:11 p.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; claud9ine@home.com CC: joni@smoe.org; FMYFL@aol.com; john.van.tiel@wxs.nl; jmichaelpaz@telocity.com Asunto: Re: january 13!!!!!! NJC In a message dated 1/15/01 4:01:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << wallyK, SEXUALLY RANTING AND PANSEXUAL, ooooo scandal scandal scandal. the babylon whore herself on the jmdl!!!! >> well holy jesus! i just was listening to this pj harvey song about the whores who hustle and the hustlers who whore. and then i had listened to this meshell cd all day today which is like looking at porn with the ears cause she's total sex....shhhh such beautiful hair...do you mind if i kiss you there...yowsa! so anyway, now i see you are the whore of babylon yourself...right there in argentenia. oh my god wally, i had another dream the other day. clark was in it. he mentioned his naked back today on his cd..but he didn't say anything about the way his bicepts look. ( they are fucking perfect...cough...you know..in a str8 kind of way ) anyway, it was like that movie...trading places..i had traded places with him for three months. gave him my whole deal. the mortgage, the algebra homework every night which you can't do cause you cheated your way through school till you found liberal arts, the mother in law, the menstration, the bitch / witch who runs the homeowner's association who wants the kayaks moved off the dock cause they're ...unsightly...like her droopy ass cheeks are pretty, and then there's the church which ...oh my god....keeps asking for money. i guarantee you.....that muscular back and bicepts of clarkman will turn to three beer a night flab and varicose veins in three months time and he'll be praying to jesus for relief just like dubya. but not me tonight. tonight, i'm going to the whore of babylon. or is it the bear of babylon? and colin, i do love you. ciao. p np. jonatha - always......hey yoo magsie. oh yea...brian...hey...no sweat. it's cool. just a neat song dude. cough...ahem...night all. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:19:01 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Number One - read as ... Last post - Number One should have read Nothing Can Be Done, Silly Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:34:54 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Jungle Line... 100% Joni MitchellContent!! Jim, This is great!!! What a pleasure reading all about this album I thought I knew so well! It's time to look at the cover again, listen anew and read all this a few more times. Thanks for sharing your insights and enthusiasm... it's infectious. atb, Debra Shea Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > > When I read your post, I thought, "Oh good! A chance to talk about _The > Hissing Of Summer Lawns_." I love this album. > To understand "The Jungle Line", you have to understand the album as a > whole. You have to be open to the idea that a CD can be as great as a book. > Just like any great piece of literature, each element, each chapter defines > part of the whole. > > The Hissing of Summer Lawns is a masterwork. [and the journey with Jim through HOSL continues.....] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:17:13 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: My free music Clark- I AM SO PROUD OF YOU!!! You've come a long way baby. I hope you do well with it. Now it's time to start touring. Pack up the VW bus (or Honda) and hit the road man. The latest thing is to play in people living rooms and charge a small cover charge. I have anice living room in New Orleans where we could do a little concert. I can even find an opening act for ya (wink wink). Best wishes to you bro and see ya Saturday. Love Paz NP-East of the Sun (and West of the Moon)-Diana Krall on 1/15/01 1:39 AM, CarltonCT@aol.com at CarltonCT@aol.com wrote: > www.cdbaby.com/clarkcarlton > > Hey Joni-junkies - > > Off of the politics and religion to do a little flagrant self-promotion here. > With advice from our own lovely and talented Kate Bennet, my own CD is now > for sale (only 12 dollars) through CD-Baby. They threw together a website > for me, so you can at least see what my naked back looks like as well as my > Martin guitar with the ocean superimposed on it. > > And if you don't want to buy my CD, you can hear a few clips for free. I > think the people on this list would most like to hear "Most of All", and my > gay bros and/or fellow Brian Wilson freaks will like my homage to the Beach > Boys called "Boys on the Sand." > > They also invite people who know the album to submit a review of it. This > is your chance to help promote me or take revenge on me for all my virulent > opinions. Patrick is right, I am a deeply feeling person, and I think my > music reflects that too. Resident conservative contrarian Marcel Deste has > also seen past my hopeless liberal affliction and recognized me as someone of > abilities. So check me out. The album, SALT WATER, is dedicated to > Roberta Joan Anderson who I owe a great debt to, like any other > singer/songwriter who has followed in her gorgeous, mesmerizing wake. > > I wasn't real happy with the quality of the sound as it came out of my iMac > and through my headphones, but maybe you will get something of greater > fidelity. > > www.cdbaby.com/clarkcarlton > > universal love, ecstasy, intensity, > > Clark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:17:49 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Celebrating MLK day Well, It being Martin Luther King Jr. Day, I think my time was well spent. I attended a American Civil Liberties Union meeting for a Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual Project in Delaware. The project is to prepare us for our Lobby day which would be in April in which we talk to our senators about LGBt Issues in the state. And that we are also trying to pass a bill for the state that would not allow any person to be fired, evicted, etc..because they were gay. So, we had a great conversation, and I definitely learned alot, and Cant wait till LOBBY DAY IN APRIL!! love blair _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:20:10 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Happy Birthday Dr. King HAPPY BIRTHDAY (Lyrics & Music by Stevie Wonder) You know it doesn't make much sense There ought to be a law against Anyone who takes offense At a day in your celebration 'Cause we all know in our minds That there ought to be a time That we can set aside To show just how much we love you And I'm sure you would agree It couldn't fit more perfectly Than to have a world party on the day you came to be Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday I just never understood How a man who died for good Could not have a day that would Be set aside for his recognition Because it should never be Just because some cannot see The dream as clear as he that they should make it become an illusion And we all know everything That he stood for time will bring For in peace our hearts will sing Thanks to MARTIN LUTHER KING Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Why has there never been a holiday Where peace is celebrated all throughout the world The time is overdue For people like me and you Who know the way to truth Is love and unity to all God's children It should never be a great event And the whole day should be spent In full remembrance Of those who lived and died for the oneness of all people So let us all begin We know that love can win Let it out don't hold it in Sing it loud as you can Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday Happy birthday Happy birthday Ooh yeah Happy birthday... We know the key to unify all people Is in the dream that you had so long ago That lives in all of the hearts of people That believe in unity We'll make the dream become a reality I know we will Because our hearts tell us so from the album "Hotter Than July." __________________________________ others may have forgotten, but not i ... in the late 70's the effort to establish a national holiday in honor of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King was stalled and passage seemed hopeless. (in large messure) due to the tireless efforts of Stevie Wonder, Right! eventually won out over ignorance. and we now honor this man who many reviled while he lived. thankx man. Happy Birthday Dr. King - -------- simon - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:20:22 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Dr. King, NOT! a dreamer DUBBED PLACID, KING's MILITANT VOICE IS REVEALED By Maynard Eaton All too often the media, political leaders and too many historians miscast and misrepresent Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. as merely a placid, non confrontational civil rights advocate who was content to focus on integration. The world has been duped into believing that the essence of Dr. King's message and mission is embodied in his "I Have A Dream" speech. While that marketing ploy and characterization of Dr. King's work and wizardry has made him a palatable folk hero, it has also skewed the substance of the King saga. That personification fails to recognize how this charismatic leader emerged as such a threat to America's economic interests he had to be eliminated. Those who worked with and marched with Dr. King say image-makers are attempting to sanitize this African American icon. "Dr. King was a radical revolutionary," opines Georgia State Representative Tyrone Brooks, formerly the national field director for the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. "White America is trying to change the image of King so that our children and unborn generations will not view the real King that we knew. Dr. King was not someone who walked around dreaming all the time. Dr. King was an activist and a true revolutionary." "He was always militant," says former SCLC President Dr. Joseph Lowery of King. "Anybody who talks about staying off the buses and challenging folk to walk is militant. Talking about public accommodations and the denial of the voting rights; all that is militant. He was dynamically and actively militantly non-violent." Brooks contends that Dr. King was assassinated because he was about to redirect the civil rights movement into another dimension ? economic parity. "White America decided that this man has certainly been a catalyst in bring about social change in terms of desegregation and voting rights, but now this man is talking about altering the way America does business and talking about a redistribution of American wealth to the poor and the disenfranchised," Brooks said. "It really upset America." Says Dr. Lowery of the discernable shift in Dr. King's thinking and leadership; "The movement moved away from the customer side of the lunch counter to the cash register side. People who were willing to deal with segregation and busing and lunch counters were not quite ready to deal with economic integration. And so he died. They didn't care about niggas riding the bus, but when you talk about owning the banks and dividing the pie up, that's another proposition. You're talking about a seat at the economic table and even today there is pretty stiff resistance [to that]." During the first decade of the civil rights movement, Martin Luther King, Jr. had been hesitant to become involved in other political issues, for fear of weakening the cause for racial justice. By 1967, however in a speech at Riverside Church in New York City that many considered momentous, he declared his opposition to the Vietnam War. That speech; that moment amounted to a paradigm shift for the movement and the man. "Peace and civil rights don't mix, [people]say," Dr. King said. "Aren't you hurting the cause of your people, they ask. And when I hear them, although I often understand the source of their concern, I am nevertheless greatly saddened, for such questions mean that the inquirers have not really known me, my commitment or my calling. "I knew that America would never invest the necessary funds or energies in rehabilitation of its poor so long as Vietnam continued to draw men and skills and money like some demonic, destructive suction tube," Dr. King continued. "So I was increasingly compelled to see the war as an enemy of the poor and to attack it as such? We were taking the young Black men who had been crippled by our society and sending them 8,000 miles away to guarantee liberties in Southeast Asia, which they had not found in Southwest Georgia and East Harlem." Both Lowery and Brooks say that after that controversial speech, Black and White America to take a different view of King. "The war was about economics as well as humanness," Dr. Lowery argues. "Martin said 'the bombs that explode in Vietnam in the '60s will explode in our economy in the '70s and '80s.' And, it did." "[Dr. King] was roundly criticized by all the establishment Black leadership. They all condemned Dr. King for that speech," Rep. Brooks recalls. "They said he'd gone too far and that the movement ought not get involved with foreign affairs. King said look at the amount of money that is coming out the American taxpayers' pocket ? including Black people ? that's financing this war. After that speech, you saw the anti-war movement really grow ? young, White liberals and other civil rights leaders got on board. So, the King speech at Riverside laid the foundation for that overwhelming American response which said the war must end now." Brooks said it is most important and ultimately tragic that people began to see Dr. King as just a civil rights leader who would focus on domestic policy, not as international, global leader. Hopefully future generations will recognize that his deeds and his direction include far more than just his dream of integration. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:22:54 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Dr. King (Audio & Video) a variety of Audio and Videos of Dr. King's speeches are currently available. ALL are recommended. 1. A Knock at Midnight: Inspiration from the Great Sermons of Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. by Martin Luther King, Peter Holloran (Editor), Clayborne Carson (Editor) Audio Cassette (May 1998) / 6-Cassettes, 8-hours Time Warner Audio Books; ISBN: 1570425728 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1570425728/ref=ed_oe_a/105-2290392-288391 6 2. The Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr. [UNABRIDGED] by Martin Luther King, Clayborne Carson (Editor) Audio Cassette unabridged edition Unabridged (December 1998) 6-Cassettes, approx. 9-hours Time Warner Audio Books; ISBN: 1570426295 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1570426295/ref=ed_oe_a/105-2290392-288391 6 3. The Speeches of Martin Luther King (Video) NTSC format (US and Canada only) Black & White, Color, HiFi Sound, NTSC ASIN: 6301038851 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6301038851/o/qid=979606105/sr=8-6/ref=aps _sr_v_2_3/105-2290392-2883916 the following Audio CD Recordings can be accessed at the following URL. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=music&field-keywords=% 20%20Martin%20Luther%20King&bq=1/ref=aps_more_pm_3/105-2290392-2883916 4. In Search Of Freedom: Excerpts From His Most Memorable Speeches [Spoken Word] ~ Martin Luther King Jr. (Audio CD) 5. I Have A Dream ~ Jr. Martin Luther King (Audio CD) 6. MLK: The Martin Luther King Tapes ~ Martin Luther King Jr. (Audio CD) 7. We Shall Overcome ~ Martin Luther King Jr. (Audio CD) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:22:09 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: I Have A Dream Delivered on the steps at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. on August 28, 1963 "I Have A Dream" by The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of captivity. But one hundred years later, we must face the tragic fact that the Negro is still not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize an appalling condition. In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men would be guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check -- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to open the doors of opportunity to all of God's children. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment and to underestimate the determination of the Negro. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream. I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair. I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the South. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day. This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring." And if America is to be a great nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania! Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado! Let freedom ring from the curvaceous peaks of California! But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia! Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee! Let freedom ring from every hill and every molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring. When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!" - --------------------- "They kill people who give hope in this culture." Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #16 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?