From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #13 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, January 14 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 013 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Jungle Line ["Marian" ] inauguration protest info (nyc) ["Deb Messling" ] Random thoughts on Magic/Religion & Politics [SJC] ["Greer, Ron" ] RE:Jungle Line Problem ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Random thoughts on Magic/Religion & Politics [SJC] [catman ] Re: HOSL [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: practical magic ["Eric Wilcox" ] [Fwd: [Fwd: - Humor]] [Vince Lavieri ] No Humor [Vince Lavieri ] Re: HOSL [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re:The Ghostly Garden ["Megan" ] [none] ["Dave and Beth Fairall" ] Re: practical magic ["Diane Evans" ] Re: the Fez/Mingus band (vljc) [dsk ] Re: practical magic [dsk ] Re: Willie Cover [Michael Paz ] Chocolat [dsk ] Re: Joni on egreetings [Michael Paz ] Miss Paved Paradise ["Gerald" ] politics and our rigidity [Yael Harlap ] Re: Off to Mary Graces in Davis for the Mini-fest [Michael Paz ] Re: politics and our rigidity [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: politics and our rigidity [Yael Harlap ] miss paved paradise and bob muller ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: HOSL [RK1THXguy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 10:26:16 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: Jungle Line TanyerSCO@aol.com wrote: >You know, I've been a Joni fan since college, about > 7 years now....But I've never been able to get into > HOSL and I can't figure out why...I think it's > because of Jungle Line. I just can't make it > through Jungle Line. I was a Joni fan for 30 years and I'm ashamed to say that I only "got" The Jungle Line at Ashara's 1998 Boston Jonifest. It helped that I was outside and it came over the big sound system that Chuck E had set up on the back porch. My reaction was "Wow! - What a great song!" Maybe you need a new sound system! ;^D But seriously, you should at least check out the poetry. It's some of her best. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 06:39:28 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: inauguration protest info (nyc) Thanks for the many emails of support about the Washington march. For those who said you wish you could be there, be aware that there will be LOCAL marches around the country on January 20 - not all the action in is Washington. For info on local organzing, try the following sites: http://www.geocities.com/countercoup/local.htm http://www.votermarch.org/local.htm The rest of you, watch C-SPAN on the 20th! My husband will have an RIP Democracy sign and I will have a sign saying Hi, JMDL! (not really but maybe I should) - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." ~Joni Mitchell - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:06:05 +0200 From: "Greer, Ron" Subject: Random thoughts on Magic/Religion & Politics [SJC] hi >kate bennet wrote >I love & am inspired by many of Jesus's teachings, as well as Buddha, Lao >Tsu, & many others. > >I have no respect for any belief that says it is the only way or tries to >reform others. I get really uncomfortable listening to preachers or >ministers or new age spiritual teachers who exude an attitude as if they >have some special connection with god or knowledge which they are imparting >to those who they presume to be, what, less connected or knowledgeable? My can i disagree here, without being offensive? im not too sure here how you could possibly love/be inspired by jesus teachings, when the basic cornerstone of those teachings were that he is/was the *only* way to god - a point he repeatedly emphasised. it is not an easy teaching to accept, or understand, and one which i still have major trouble grasping. unfortunately all too many *christians* ( i consider myself a backslider - not a christian, 'cause i dont live the life anymore) seem to have absolutely no problem with grabbing this point, and with absolutely no grasp of the implications, use it to abuse and insult other people, without any of the compassion, love or pain with which jesus said it. i do not get his stand on the point as being a cold, heartless way of saying that everyone else is wrong, and deserves no love, respect, or compassion, but as a love inspired, heartfelt & compassionate plea/statement/presentation of an unpleasant, but unalterable truth. joni (of course) got this vital distinction between christians and christ right on the nail in the magdalene laundries These bloodless brides of Jesus, If they had just once glimpsed their groom, Then they'd know, and they'd drop the stones Concealed behind their rosaries. They wilt the grass they walk upon. They leech the light out of a room. They'd like to drive us down the drain At the Magdalene laundries. substitute "magdalene laundries" with pretty much any churches name - it still works, unfortunately. the bible also did a pretty good job - says that gods name is mocked among the non-believers, because of the "believers" on the subject of religion and politics. i find it absolutely impossible to believe that *any* person can possibly have christian beliefs and be successful in the dirty business of politics. i have to conclude that it is only a show to get votes - but not personally knowing the people - i suppose ill never know for sure. ron np - emmylou harris - tragedy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:20:10 +0200 From: "Greer, Ron" Subject: Joni Inspired Book?? hi sorry if this came up before. i was at the library this morning, looking for books. i noticed a book with the title "coyote" and idly wondered whether it had anything at all to do with jonis song - a long shot, but i checked anyway. sure enough - the book was a love story about a character nicknamed "coyote" after the joni song. started reading it - a promising start, with a nicely ironic description of one of the characters wrecking her car when the song came on the radio, then bemoaning the fact that the owner of the other car didnt get the irony ; ) from there it seems to have just gone downhill into trendy romance slush - i somehow dont think im going to get much further. there have been a couple of other references to joni, but none with the promise of the opening scene. unfortunately, with all the excitement of finally getting hold of emmylou's "red dirt girl" (wonderful!!! all the beauty of "wrecking ball" but with more emmylou & less danial lanois. and it is about time she did some songwriting - anyone who could be - even partly - responsible for boulder to birmingham has to have some serious songwriting talent!!) i forgot the authors name. ron np - emmylou harris - bang the drum slowly ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 10:04:46 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: RE:Jungle Line Problem Yes, i have had a similar experience.. For example with Court and Spark, i used to skip right over Down to You and Just like this Train.. i DONt know why,, i did and then over this summer (atleast 2-3 years since i first bought Court and Spark) i started listening to them and got obsessed! I understand about HOSL though, it does have a different sound. ANd for some reason, i usually listen to HOSL in the summer time... probably because i bought it in the summer of 97. But, i looked at the inner gatefold sleeve of Joni in the pool, and i said, "that looks fun, I love to swim and i like jOni mitchell" So, when ever summer rolls around and the pool opens at my house, i dig up HOSL and put it on and i just lay in the sun and swim in the cool water. songs like Edith and The Kingpin with its carressing woodwinds and eased tempo, just set me adrift in the pool.. blair :) NP: John Coltrane "tranesonic" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:42:20 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Random thoughts on Magic/Religion & Politics [SJC] > im not too sure here how you could possibly love/be inspired by jesus > teachings, when the basic cornerstone of those teachings were that he is/was > the *only* way to god - a point he repeatedly emphasised. You have a point. That is the way many people have interpreted His words. The translaters of course put their interpretations on things. There are many different Bibles and they don't all say the same thing. Different translations, different interpretations, different people, different beliefs. Jesus taught that God dwells within us, that we did not need an intermediary, that heaven was within, that we are God. At the same time he also said that the only way to the Father is thru Him. The latter statment makes a nonsense of this first few. Was jesus confused? Or maybe it is the translaters? Or even the readers, heaven forbid. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:14:34 EST From: RK1THXguy@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL In a message dated 1/13/01 1:22:23 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << HOSL has been my fave of all of Joni's work >> **I feel HOSL is perhaps her most sensual and intimate work, certainly her first really mature work. I purchased it the day it was released (many years ago), and I remember the very first time I played it. It was like a soul drug, illicit and forbidden, and the sensuality just oozed and dripped from it! "He bought her a diamond for her throat" (notice: throat not neck) "There's a heatwave burning in her master's voice, and the hissing of summer lawns." There is a tone of helplessness in that song - but my god the sense of smoldering desire and captive sexuality is overwhelming. And the seduction in "Edith and the Kingpin" is fascinating, a little sad, but so damned alluring - "staring eye to eye, they dare not look away". I was already very fond and respectful of Joni's work - but when I finished playing HOSL through that first time - I was transformed into a JM devotee. I loved her previous show of her mind and her heart - the intellectual and ethereal nature of Joni's prior work, but on HOSL, she exposed her flesh. I loved it! It was truly "burning in a ritual of sound and time", and Joni had become, without a doubt, "coy and bitchy, wild and fine!" That inside jacket picture of Joni languishing in that "blue pool in the squinting sun", still gives me rushes. I felt Joni Mitchell the 'woman' for the first time that evening - I felt her on my skin and in my bones - in my fantasies - in my soul. I knew we would grow old together - and we are. BLUE was her first spark of emerging brilliance, C&S her first big commercial success - but HOSL is, for me, her first 'masterwork' - her embarkation to mature experience and wisdom. Everytime I listen to it I hear the genius, the depth, the authenticity of emotion, and the urgency of passion. It may also be Joni's voice at its most beautiful, captured on recording for all time. A strange aside - Prince (I'm not a fan but find his work curious) considers HOSL one of the greatest albums of all time. I can't say I disagree. If I had to give away every JM album I have, and could keep only one, by which to know and to feel Joni - the one I would fight to keep is HOSL! If it were released today, for the first time, it would still be pertinent, compelling, luscious, plaintive, lustful, real, and brilliant (both in its concept and craftsmanship). All these attributes can't necessarily be applied to every JM album - though I certainly enjoy them all. The 'of-the-moment, 'non-nostalgic' experience of listening to HOSE today, in 2001, is proof that HOSE is among the small handful, if not Join's 'ultimate' timeless masterpiece...Rob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:30:27 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Off to Mary Graces in Davis for the Mini-fest Putting the politics very much aside for the trip up to Davis in Northern California where I understand they still have a little Yamaha generator providing the town with electriciy (but not taking any chances and bringing a candle and my acoustic guitar) and looking forward to meeting a small group of Listers. Im picking up Russ B on the way who I understand has a nice suprise for those who are there that Im sworn to secrecy not to divulge. If any of you out there still want to come you need to email MG or go through the recent digests for the directions Nikki provided. Unfortunately I can only go there for today since I had an important commitment for Sunday but thats OK. One day of fun will have to do. Ill post a little synopsis of the days festivities to share with you all when I get back. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:02:10 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: practical magic Hi folks Just delurking to ask a question. A friend of mine said that he'd seen a movie on Sky the other night called Practical Magic, which had various tunes in the background as a soundtrack. He doesn't know Joni very well, but was sure that he recognised her singing on at least one of the songs. Looking at the credits at the end, he did see her name there. Does anyone know anything about this movie. What song/s did Joni sing? atb, Martin. In London. NP Refuge Of The Roads. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:14:09 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL In a message dated 1/13/01 1:29:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, RK1THXguy@aol.com writes: << I feel HOSL is perhaps her most sensual and intimate work, certainly her first really mature work. I purchased it the day it was released (many years ago), and I remember the very first time I played it. >> I agree with you Rob. I had just repurchased this CD about a month ago. I was dying to listen to it. I love Don't Interrupt the Sorrow and Shades of Scarlet Conquering. AMOF I love it all, including Jungle Line. I remember when this album was released. It gave me the courage to leave an unhappy marriage and a 18 (mostly empty room) Victorian mansion. I packed up my kid, a few of my belongings and headed for the mountains in my VW bus. I have to admit, I do miss the house though. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:32:00 -0600 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: practical magic If I'm not mistaken, "A Case of You" is used on the soundtrack. eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Martin Giles Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 2:02 PM To: joni digest Subject: practical magic Hi folks Just delurking to ask a question. A friend of mine said that he'd seen a movie on Sky the other night called Practical Magic, which had various tunes in the background as a soundtrack. He doesn't know Joni very well, but was sure that he recognised her singing on at least one of the songs. Looking at the credits at the end, he did see her name there. Does anyone know anything about this movie. What song/s did Joni sing? atb, Martin. In London. NP Refuge Of The Roads. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:20:47 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: - Humor]] Received: from tobago.pathwaynet.com ([216.46.203.46]) by uruguay.pathwaynet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 14HYOM-0008JB-00 for revrvl@pathwaynet.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:39:18 -0500 Received: from ip-d82ec0a4.arc2.gvl.pathwaynet.com ([216.46.192.164] helo=pathwaynet.com) by tobago.pathwaynet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 14HYO0-0007DI-00 for revrvl@pathwaynet.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:38:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3A60CE31.95B43AAC@pathwaynet.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:52:55 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Reply-To: revrvl@pathwaynet.com Organization: American Apostolic Catholic Church X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bp. Vince Lavieri" Subject: [Fwd: - Humor] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-PATHWAY: SMTP/S FROM TOBAGO X-PATHWAY: LOCAL DELIVERY ON URUGUAY TO revrvl X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Received: from [63.76.2.3] (helo=smtp.adbmich.org) by uruguay.pathwaynet.com with smtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 14HUTf-0000L9-00; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:28:31 -0500 Received: from video_svr.sado.org ([63.76.2.65]) by smtp.adbmich.org ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:30:02 -0500 From: "Mary Hickey" To: forum@sado.org (SADO FORUM Mailing List) Subject: [SADO FORUM] - Humor Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:11:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Reply-To: forum@sado.org Sender: forum@sado.org Message-ID: <97940700201@smtp.adbmich.org> X-PATHWAY: LOCAL DELIVERY ON URUGUAY TO revrvl X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/related by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was multipart/alternative Im sorry, but I just couldnt resist passing this one along! Mary Hickey [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:33:56 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: No Humor I tried to send something titled "Humor" that has pictures and that cannot make it through the JMDL in that format; I guess I thus sent everyone computer gobbly gook. Sorry! To explain the funny pictures would be unhumorous so I apologise for wasting your time. As Emily Litella would say, "Never mind." (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:20:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL << The 'of-the-moment, 'non-nostalgic' experience of listening to HOSL today, in 2001, is proof that HOSL is among the small handful, if not Joni's 'ultimate' timeless masterpiece...Rob >> Great post, Rob. In the book "Rock - 100 Essential CD's", they pick HOSL as the ONE Joni to own as well. The sampled Burundi drums in Jungleline were off-putting yet very addictive for me. I remember I'd never heard anything like that before, and Joni was a pioneer in terms of introducing African sounds into rock music. HOSL is one of the few Joni's I almost HAVE to listen to in it's entirety as opposed to being 'shuffled' in the CD player. Bob NP: Doobies, "Without You" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:15:18 -0500 From: "Megan" Subject: Re:The Ghostly Garden Bob, Thanks for forwarding Sheldon's explanation of the 'ghostly garden';after reading everyone's posts on this thread, I had a vague idea that it could be the flip side of the Woodstock 'garden', but not possessing his poetic heart & mind, was unable to articulate it.This is one of the many reasons I love coming to the list--to experience other's eloquent illuminations on Joni's poetry. BW--Megan >to me,yes, it does mean the world >but more specifically the concrete urban world >of modern man that grows and grows unheeded >like a cancerous tumor fed by greed, ignorance and >indifference and is not self-sustaining but rather >feeds on the other garden, the garden of the natural >world or the mythological eden that i believe she's >referring to in 'woodstock'.the ghostly garden is >the residue of the devils bargain that humankind is >snagged in and that seems to be hurling us toward >certain self-annihilation.this theme runs throughout >mitchell's work.i'm thinking of the obvious"they >pave paradise and put up a parking lot" or that line >from 'furry sings the blues',"history falls to >parking lots and shopping malls" and the song 'sex >kills'really expands on this theme"this massive mess >we're in".there are myriad examples i could draw >from throughout her body of work as i'm sure you well >know.the ghostly garden grows.it reminds me of >t.s. elliots "the waste land". its beyond just a >question of ecology, the ecology seems to me but a >symptom of a greater collective dis-ease or trick that >we've all fallen for.it can seem a bit overwhelming >and depressing if one really looks at it hard. i >think that's why i'm so drawn to her work.she has >been a relentless and profound observer of our sad >state of affairs for decades but i also love the side >of her that's "alive, alive i wanna get up and jive, >wreck my stockings in a juke box dive". she's a >haunting prophet and an irrepressable and hopeful >dancer in one. always shaking things up and waking us >up. well, i've got a regular essay going here and i >could go on and on."talk to me, talk to me" >in closing i would add that the ghostly garden could >be a bit of a metaphor for the accumulated lived >experience of the speaker in the song. the ghostly >garden of experience and memory grows and grows and >grows. i think what makes a great poem is that it >works on many different levels>>> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:41:13 -0600 From: "Dave and Beth Fairall" Subject: [none] Paz said, Hey Paz, I have a gig next Saturday at West 24th, in Georgetown, which is owned by Mary Matlan / James Carville, well-known political operatives. She's the conservative pundit who will have a role in the Bush administration, and is featured on the CNN show Crossfire. Carville is of course Clinton's former Campaign Manager. Don't know if Carville will be there, cause it's an Inaugural Ball, aptly named the Alternative Ball, for incoming White House staffers, campaign workers, and some Republican Congressman. They hired a funk band, and want us to really cut loose. Unlike typical Inaugural events, which are notoriously stuffy, this one should be rather raucous. Being the diehard liberal, I'm torn but curious, and after all, $$ is bipartisan. I don't know whether dubya will post, but it can't be ruled out, wouldn't that be something? Wonder whether he'll have a brewski? I'll report back. Dave Fairall ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:08:14 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: practical magic Martin, Aside from the music, the movie stars Sandra Bullock and -- omigosh, can't remember her name, but she's married to Tom Cruise. It's about present day witches (sisters) who suffer the torments of love, with a special family curse to deal with. Light humor, light plot, light twist. Couple of great scenes. Likeable film, but not remarkable. Diane >From: "Martin Giles" >Reply-To: "Martin Giles" >To: "joni digest" >Subject: practical magic >Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:02:10 -0000 > >Hi folks > >Just delurking to ask a question. > >A friend of mine said that he'd seen a movie on Sky the other night called >Practical Magic, which had various tunes in the background as a soundtrack. >He doesn't know Joni very well, but was sure that he recognised her singing >on at least one of the songs. Looking at the credits at the end, he did see >her name there. > >Does anyone know anything about this movie. What song/s did Joni sing? > >atb, >Martin. In London. > >NP Refuge Of The Roads. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:26:07 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: the Fez/Mingus band (vljc) Sue Mingus was there last Thursday. The band members seem to have a lot of affection for her judging from the way she was coaxed (well, kind of coaxed, although it also seemed planned) to the front to announce that "we" (i.e., the band) will be performing at a new restaurant called City Hall and inviting all of us to go listen to them there (may be a permanent gig, maybe not). From that announcement it's clear she's very much part of the band, and I would think is usually with them whenever they perform. From somewhere I have the notion that she keeps "tight reins" on the band so they don't stray from Mingus's vision. She seemed like a very no-nonsense person, gracious but not a warm presence (based solely on the bit I saw of her which admittedly isn't much), and is also a blonde, which made me wonder if Mingus liked that about Joni too. Oh, yeah, I know, there was his great appreciation of Joni's musical abilities, but other things can play into one's appreciation. Sue Mingus also has well defined cheekbones, yeah, kinda like Joni's. It was interesting seeing her; I'd heard of her but had no idea what she was like (not that I'd ever had a burning desire to know, but it was interesting seeing her anyway). Debra Shea NP: Chocolat soundtrack, "Minor Swing". On the cd it just says "music by Rachel Portman" even though this tune is Django Reinhardt, and there's also some Erik Satie in the movie. How can it all be "by Rachel Portman"? Just wondering how it can be that the original creators are not getting credit for this on the cd, even though they are listed in the credits at the end of the movie. Kakki wrote: > Synchronicity - I just got an email tonight from an old friend who was in > Manhattan a week ago who said she saw the Mingus band and met Sue Mingus. > She said that Sue apparently is often around with the band. I wonder if she > was at the Fez Thursday night. My friend said that Sue told her she is > still in contact with Joni, too. > > Kakki, in L.A. where the weather is just about as cold as Manhatten these > days! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:38:42 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: practical magic Diane Evans wrote: > Aside from the music, the movie stars Sandra Bullock and -- omigosh, can't > remember her name, but she's married to Tom Cruise. It's about present day > witches (sisters) who suffer the torments of love, with a special family > curse to deal with. Light humor, light plot, light twist. Couple of great > scenes. Likeable film, but not remarkable. > > Diane > > and Martin in London asked: > >Does anyone know anything about this movie. What song/s did Joni sing? The other actress is Nicole Kidman. Very enjoyable movie. There's one dancing scene that's especially funny. And from what I recall, not having seen the movie in a long time, the only Joni song is "a case of you" on the car radio with Nicole's character driving and singing along poorly. Touching and funny too. Debra Shea NP: Chocolat soundtrack still, "The Story of Grandmere". Very lively, something's gonna happen music, with violins and lots of breathy South American flutes. I love that sound. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:39:35 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Willie Cover on 1/12/01 9:38 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I had the pleasure of singing "Amelia" with Paz on guitar at Jonifest 2000 > and although I am straight, I left the lyrics as Joni wrote them, and that > one pretty much works as a 'man-to-man' song. Of course Bob failed to mention that are stage name is Butch and Butcher. And what a fine job he did of singing that one too. Am sitting hre with dad beside me at the puter reading email, thinking about the west coast parties, and we just finsihed checking out some of the pics of jonifests. Life is pretty damn good (cept for this f-ing toothache) Cheers jmdl land. Paz NP-You'll Be Satisfied-the subdudes ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:52:07 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Chocolat dsk wrote: > NP: Chocolat soundtrack still, "The Story of Grandmere". Very lively, > something's gonna happen music, with violins and lots of breathy South American > flutes. I love that sound. Correction to my NP.... that lively music is "Vianne sets up shop." Has anyone else seen Chocolat yet? Has it opened throughout the country or is it just here in NY? Am I the only one completely smitten by this movie? Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:51:19 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni on egreetings Keep those cards and letters coming. This was cool. Paz NP-I've Got You Under My Skin-Diana Krall on 1/12/01 3:56 PM, Rosemjoy@aol.com at Rosemjoy@aol.com wrote: > Rosemjoy@aol.com has sent you an Egreetings.com(r) flash animation! > > To view your card, simply click the following Web address > any time over the next three weeks: > > http://www.egreetings.com/v/fhwMwJ54sP > > > > > If you need further help, visit our Help pages at > http://www.egreetings.com/pg/help > > ---------------- > E-greetings is a registered trademark and Egreetings is a trademark of > Egreetings Network, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:04:12 -0600 From: "Gerald" Subject: Miss Paved Paradise Hello all! I've taken Michael Paz's suggestion and uploaded my mp3 file, Miss Paved Paradise, to the Joni Mitchell Fans egroups site. Didn't know I could do that before Michael suggested it. I created Miss Paved Paradise one Sunday afternoon when I decided to check out one of the programs that came with my sound card - a program called, Mixman Studio. I was experimenting with the program, and had thoroughly amused myself by the end of the afternoon. The voice is my own voice in altered pitches. There was nothing preconceived, and I never thought I'd be saving work, let alone uploading it to the net. Hopefully, you'll be amused. Gerald Hillman PS: "It has a good beat, and you can dance to it." ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:18:39 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: politics and our rigidity Kakki wrote, about Reagan and religion: >I'm still not convinced. In some ways I think that is the problem - not with Kakki per se (this is no attack on you, Kakki!) - most of the articulate and vocal people (whether civil or downright rude) about politics and social issues on this list - and I include myself in this philosophical wondering - seem like we are not open or willing to accept information that makes us reconsider our positions. I am taking a stats class right now (I am a doctoral student) and the first day the professor expounded at length on the importance of a theory being falsifiable. If a theory is not falsifiable, then it is not really worth taking the effort to consider, since nothing can ever come of it. If people are not ever willing to consider any information or evidence valid if it contradicts their beliefs/opinions, there really isn't any point having a conversation, is there? To throw out anything that comes from a conservative mouthpiece, without even considering it as a possibility. To scorn anything that comes from a liberal listmember or a left-leaning newspaper. Both of these behaviors are rather ridiculous, if you really get down to it, and I have engaged in that type of behavior myself... and I have seen it on this list *constantly*, more than anywhere else I have ever been (in life or on the 'net). Skepticism is a healthy response - and I'm not sure how to bridge the chasm between skepticism and flexible thinking, but somehow I feel like some of the back and forth... I don't know. I'm going to try to keep my mind more open to the possibilities, I think. - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:28:39 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Off to Mary Graces in Davis for the Mini-fest WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! And to think she has a Taylor Ham too. Paz NP-The Chosen-Yellowjackets on 1/13/01 11:30 AM, MDESTE1@aol.com at MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > Putting the politics very much aside for the trip up to Davis in Northern > California where I understand they still have a little Yamaha generator > providing the town with electriciy (but not taking any chances and bringing a > candle and my acoustic guitar) and looking forward to meeting a small group > of Listers. Im picking up Russ B on the way who I understand has a nice > suprise for those who are there that Im sworn to secrecy not to divulge. If > any of you out there still want to come you need to email MG or go through > the recent digests for the directions Nikki provided. Unfortunately I can > only go there for today since I had an important commitment for Sunday but > thats OK. One day of fun will have to do. Ill post a little synopsis of the > days festivities to share with you all when I get back. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:41:28 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Miss Paved Paradise on 1/13/01 6:04 PM, Gerald at geraldh@mb.sympatico.ca wrote: > Hello all! > > I've taken Michael Paz's suggestion and uploaded my mp3 file, Miss Paved > Paradise, to the Joni Mitchell Fans egroups site. Didn't know I could do > that before Michael suggested it. > > I created Miss Paved Paradise one Sunday afternoon when I decided to check > out one of the programs that came with my sound card - a program called, > Mixman Studio. I was experimenting with the program, and had thoroughly > amused myself by the end of the afternoon. The voice is my own voice in > altered pitches. There was nothing preconceived, and I never thought I'd be > saving work, let alone uploading it to the net. Hopefully, you'll be amused. > > Gerald Hillman > PS: "It has a good beat, and you can dance to it." ;-) > Hi Gerald- Just got it awhile ago and it's really funny. Thanks for sharing it with us. BTW who the hell is Joni Mitchell anyways. Paz NP-Yes It Is-Beatles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:40:48 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: politics and our rigidity In a message dated 1/13/01 9:21:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, yharlap@channelsinternet.com writes: << I am taking a stats class right now (I am a doctoral student) and the first day the professor expounded at length on the importance of a theory being falsifiable. If a theory is not falsifiable, then it is not really worth taking the effort to consider, since nothing can ever come of it.>> It seems to me that there is little more distant from politics than statistics. As a professional journalist for more than 20 years, I can tell you that in politics more than any other field, information is only as good as its source. In politics, there are very few things that can be called a "fact," and even those few facts can be put in a false context to make them, like statistics, to appear to mean exactly the opposite of what they really are. <> There is nothing healthier than skepticism as an initial response to anything that challenges your belief system. The problem is not skepticism, but outright dismissal. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:01:22 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: Re: politics and our rigidity Paul said: >As a professional journalist for more than 20 years, I can tell you that in >politics more than any other field, information is only as good as its >source. In politics, there are very few things that can be called a "fact," >and even those few facts can be put in a false context to make them, like >statistics, to appear to mean exactly the opposite of what they really are. I totally agree with this - I did not intend what I wrote to come off as naively sing-songing that we should believe everything anyone says. There is virtually no such thing as a hard "fact" as far as I am concerned. And it is important to be a skeptic, but, as Paul said, the problem comes in when people dismiss information without evaluating it. - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 00:42:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: miss paved paradise and bob muller hi gerald, how can one access this site????? i'd love to hear the song. and how does one upload the files? it would be a great way to get material for bob muller's covers projects without the hassles of snail-mailing! love, wally - ----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Gerald Enviado el: S?bado, 13 de Enero de 2001 11:04 p.m. Para: Joni Asunto: Miss Paved Paradise Hello all! I've taken Michael Paz's suggestion and uploaded my mp3 file, Miss Paved Paradise, to the Joni Mitchell Fans egroups site. Didn't know I could do that before Michael suggested it. I created Miss Paved Paradise one Sunday afternoon when I decided to check out one of the programs that came with my sound card - a program called, Mixman Studio. I was experimenting with the program, and had thoroughly amused myself by the end of the afternoon. The voice is my own voice in altered pitches. There was nothing preconceived, and I never thought I'd be saving work, let alone uploading it to the net. Hopefully, you'll be amused. Gerald Hillman PS: "It has a good beat, and you can dance to it." ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 23:58:21 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL In a message dated 1/13/01 6:31:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << I remember I'd never heard anything like that before, and Joni was a pioneer in terms of introducing African sounds into rock music. >> what about "Tap root manuscript" by Neil Diamond? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 00:05:01 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: The James Taylor Biography Did anyone read the new biography of James Taylor called "Fire and Rain"? I was looking through it briefly recently,and there is a full chapter devoted to James's relationship with Joni.I skimmed the chapter.It said that both she and Taylor were both a little screwed up and into drugs.It said that problems developed in their relationship,that she had alot of anger towards him.It also said that Joni was so devastated by Taylor's break up with her that many of her songs for many years after the breakup,were written about him. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:03:56 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: jesus ron asked, "i'm not too sure here how you could possibly love/be inspired by jesus teachings, when the basic cornerstone of those teachings were that he is/was the *only* way to god - a point he repeatedly emphasised" well, i guess my honest answer is that TO ME, this isn't a cornerstone of his teachings. to me, the cornerstone is that he said he & god were one & that he said what he did, we could also do (my wild paraphrasing here) my spirituality is one that grows & involves & leaves room for lots of new information & experiences, & lots of questions that probably won't get answered, at least just yet. most important to me is to stay in the awareness of god & to be grateful & to treat others how i would like to be treated (another one of jesus's teachings, i believe) maybe one of our more religious scholars can quote the phrase that jesus is quoted as saying is the most important of his teachings, sorry i am so hazy on my christian history, but i am pretty sure it wasn't the one you mentioned as a cornerstone.... ******************************************** Kate Bennett sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com hear the music at: www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 01:36:17 EST From: RK1THXguy@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL In a message dated 1/13/01 4:20:50 PM, SCJoniGuy writes: << Great post, Rob. In the book "Rock - 100 Essential CD's", they pick HOSL as the ONE Joni to own as well. >> Just callin' it as I see's it Bob! :-) Alright! Enough is way beyond enough for me. If there are two topics I put at the absolute very very bottom of my "things I'd like to clutter up my email with - instead of emails about art, music, poetry, and JONI" - it is definitely RELIGION and POLITICS - and that crap is all that's on this list lately!!! I mean really! I couldn't give a rat's ass about these two fairy tales. Someone, please - how do I get off the 'all encompassing' digest and on the 'Joni Only' digest?? Someone, please, quickly - HOW?? Help - danger, danger Will Robinson - it's an emergency!!!! ...Rob ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #13 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?