From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #10 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, January 11 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 010 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- **Portland JMDL group gathering? [RK1THXguy@aol.com] Re: cdbaby.com and so on [Jerry Notaro ] Re: a decent tv night (now some Joni) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: #13 We Have a Digest Winner! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Chavez [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: [sf_indie] righteous axe [Michael Paz ] joni in poetrymagazine.com [sheldon tanner ] Re: Richard Isen & "Willie" [jonifan@clearsong.com] Re: [sf_indie] righteous axe [jan gyn ] Re: joni in poetrymagazine.com [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: the President-elect's cabinet picks (NCJ) ["Pitassi, Mary" ] Re: Joni/Thom Yorke [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: the President-elect's cabinet picks (NCJ) ["Kakki" ] Nathan La Franeer ["BRIAN SYMES" ] 20 to 1 on VH1 ["cassy" ] Re: **Portland JMDL group gathering? ["Elizabeth Udall" ] Re: joni in poetrymagazine.com [Don Rowe ] Re: **Portland JMDL group gathering? ["cassy" ] Re: 20 to 1 on VH1 [Penny ] Re: 20 to 1 on VH1 ["cassy" ] Re: joni in poetrymagazine.com ["Paul Pennington" ] Re: joni in poetrymagazine.com ["Mark or Travis" ] To Whom It May Concern [Michael Paz ] Portland JMDL group gathering? [Vince Lavieri ] Joni on PBS. [Richard Rice ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 04:42:29 EST From: RK1THXguy@aol.com Subject: **Portland JMDL group gathering? To my Rose City Brothers & Sisters in Joni - BRIAN SYMES writes: << Hey it sounds like Portlandia has a micro brewing JM group: RK1/SteveB/Penny) 2-2 at the Roseland sounds good tome good for me >> I would enjoy meeting you all, but 2/2 will find me in the 'city by the bay', SanFran, visiting with my beautiful daughter. I also understand that we may number even more than 4 - so every JMDLer who lives anywhere in the shadows of Mt. Hood, 'I'm sending you out this signal here' - let's organize a nice casual meeting someplace where we can swap stories, tell lies, compare the scars we're most proud of, have a few swings at the meaning of life, take a turn or two more in the BoHo dance, and try to get a little closer to the bottom of this strange affliction we all seem to share (and which seems to generate moments of real joy from time to time). I certainly hope there is at least one other old fart among us locals - besides yours truly. I was already socially mobile, sexually active, philosophically enlightened, and mind expanded when Joan was still Ms. Anderson, in the TBJ (time before Joni). If I am the senior of the group, just remember - history has taught us that the elders of the tribe represent a vast sea of knowledge, a deep reservoir of wisdom, and a huge fountain of bullshit! I will expect to be received accordingly. ;-) ...Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:22:38 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: cdbaby.com and so on cdbaby also hosts the wonderful Michael Holland who does a fab A Case of You on Volume 12 Covers and Contributions. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:40:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: a decent tv night (now some Joni) <> Sure would be, Kakki! Keep us posted...I rely on you for CSN and sometimes Y connections! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:13:19 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: #13 We Have a Digest Winner! Congrats to Stephen in Vancouver for being the first digester to correctly answer my all-too-easy Joni trivia question about Sammy Hagar (the horrible). The correct answers were: Both Sides Now Love or Money Thankfully these were originals and not attempts to infuse Joni's compositions with his limited talent...it might have spurred on to do "Cheese, Volume 2"! :~) Bob NP: Robert Nighthawk, "Anna Lee" PS: You know you're a real no-talent when you can even make somebody as awesome as Eddie Van Halen sound like shit! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:04:46 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Chavez I know that I'll regret getting into this, but couldn't resist putting in my 2 cents. Personally I'm not as upset about the fact that Chavez may have done something illegal (housing an illegal alien; not paying SS taxes on her ), but am greatly offended by her hypocrisy. In the NY Times today there is an article that gives some background about Chavez that may account for the criticism that she received: > > >> On the other side, her critics noted that she often criticized President >> Clinton in her newspaper columns and was fiercely critical of his first >> nominee for attorney general, Zok Baird. Ms. Baird's appointment was >> sidetracked following disclosures that she employed an illegal immigrant >> as a nanny and had failed to pay Social Security taxes. >> Appearing on PBS's "MacNeil- Lehrer NewsHour" in December 1993, Ms. Chavez >> said: "I think most of the American people were upset during the Zok Baird >> nomination that she had hired an illegal alien. That was what upset them >> more than the fact that she did not pay Social Security taxes." >> Ms. Chavez said today that she felt Ms. Baird was treated unfairly. >> > When Clinton was President and it was a Democrat who was under consideration for a cabinet post, Chavez had one set of beliefs. When it is Bush and she is under consideration for a post, apparently those beliefs change. Seems self-serving to me. And yes, it is call POLITICS. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:19:03 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: [sf_indie] righteous axe on 1/9/01 9:16 AM, jan gyn at jgyn@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us wrote: > I wonder how it sounds through a Marshall, or with a VG8. > -jan > > http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2000/dec11a.html > Well Jan I have seen everything now. This would be just like an acoustic on a VG-8. You would hear too much of the acoustic sound over the alternate tuning sound. As far as the Marshall stack goes I think it would a bitch to keeping it from feeding back. Michael(at VG_8 headquarters) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:33:45 -0800 (PST) From: sheldon tanner Subject: joni in poetrymagazine.com greetings all, i am new to this discussion (and honored, i might add, to be in such company) so please forgive if i'm repeating old news but . . . has anyone checked out will elliott's article in poetry magazine (http://www.poetrymagazine.com/archives/2000/June-July00/classicpoet6-00.htm) "jm-painting with words and music"? i was surprised to stumble upon it recently. cool article and refreshing to see mitchell getting well-deserved licks from the poetry establishment (even though in the course of the article she bites the hand that feeds her:)). somehow it helped validate my (in certain friends' opinions anyway)overly obsessive draw to one of the(in my opinion) greatest artists of our time. it contains lyrics, paintings and photos too. just road tripped from joshua tree to northern new mex with my xmas gift to self playing over and over and over: "dj'srd"--which i'd previously never heard but is my current favorite replacing, for the moment anyway, a scratchy old vinyl copy of hejeira that i found thrifting recently. "my best to (all of) you", sheldonjuan Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:53:04 -0600 From: jonifan@clearsong.com Subject: Re: Richard Isen & "Willie" I'm deeply grateful to Bob and encouraged by his insightful comments on my CD LET IT FALL. So I want to say hello to one and all on the list and add my own thoughts to Bob's. When I think of JM and all the vinyl records I wore out and new copies I had to buy, I realize that what's so compelling about all the work is her ability to be so intimate and truthful with us and how that somehow comes through the recordings - how it feels as if she's singing right to me and that I know her personally even though I don't. The LET IT FALL CD has been pushing around in my mind for almost a decade and there's lots of reasons- practical reasons and reasons of spirit - that it's taken me so long. And now that it's out, I start see how courageous JM really is. I'm thinking now about that word encourage which must mean "to give courage" and I suppose that is what all artists thrive on. About Willy/Willie- I was confused by that as well but the title Willie is how it is registered with the Library of Congress. The publisher and ASCAP list it that way as well with no alternative spelling so that's the official title from a legal standpoint. To find out more about LET IT FALL and to hear the cover of Willie, please visit http://www.clearsong.com/sounds (there's also an unreleased cover of Jericho slated for my next CD)- The sounds page has links to the internet radio stations and mp3.com where there a few CD quality MP3 files. The CD is available in many of the internet CD stores (cdbaby.com, amazon.com and many others) So- now this music is about you - kindred spirits in one way or another - and I hope you can take the time to listen in, leave a comment and perhaps even purchase a copy if you're so inclined. Also, please send me an e-mail. I do really want to hear from you. _____________________________________________ Richard Isen Clearsong Records . . .because a song is like a good companion. please visit http://www.clearsong.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:07:49 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: [sf_indie] righteous axe (snip) >Well Jan I have seen everything now. This would be just like an acoustic on >a VG-8. You would hear too much of the acoustic sound over the alternate >tuning sound. As far as the Marshall stack goes I think it would a bitch to >keeping it from feeding back. > >Michael(at VG_8 headquarters) If it fed back, the player could be seen as a spiritual conduit. Definitely a must have... "This goes to 11' -Nigel Tufnel, explaining his Marshall amp's volume capabilities. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:13:47 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni in poetrymagazine.com Thanks for the URL, and welcome aboard, Sheldon! I read the article - it's a nice overview, with some great pictures, album covers, and paintings. It's probably in the JMDL database but I missed it the first time 'round. Also as it deals with Joni's lyrics as poetry, it posts lyrics to lots of her songs. Even though I'm familiar with them all, sometimes when you see the words laid out in front of you it puts them in a different perspective. Question: To what is Joni referring when she repeats "the ghostly garden grows"? Does she mean the world in general as a ghostly garden? Funny then, in Woodstock she says we've got to get ourselves back to the garden. Bob NP(Now Playing): Caulfields, "The Day That Came & Went" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:37:58 -0600 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: RE: the President-elect's cabinet picks (NCJ) Kakki wrote: "If only he had done the bidding of the opposing party and picked all their idealogical choices like a good puppet, eh?" Me now: of course not. But bipartisanship, which Mr. Bush claims to embrace, involves taking some care not to totally alienate the opposition and even throwing it a few bones every once in a while. Reasonable minds may disagree on whether that's been done so far, but I think it hasn't. Kakki also wrote: "In the meantime, though, do people really think all the wrangling and dirty politics is productive for the country? The negativism, uncertainty and distraction that will no doubt result from all the mud-slinging is not going to be beneficial for the overall running of the country." Well, OK. What might the incoming Bush administration do to lessen the negativity it has generated? (tongue only half-firmly in cheek). Finally, Don Rowe wrote: "It's not *that* call the manager's really interested in ... it's the next one. The one that might count. The play at the plate. Ashcroft's nomination, in other words, is really not much more than a straw man offered as sacrfice to more liberal Democrats. Sure they can shoot Ashcroft down, but how much *better* in comparison, will Bush's nomination for ... Supreme Court Justice ... look by comparison?" That's an excellent point Don, but I have a slightly different view. I think the nomination for the Attorney General of the United States, and the head of the Department of Justice, *is* a play at the plate---or at least, a play at third base. If anyone doubts just how powerful Justice is in enforcing our laws, just take a look at the mischief to civil rights, affirmative action, and employment law that was done almost entirely, if memory serves, by two high-ranking Justice Department officials under the Reagan administration, (and maybe some of the G.H.W. Bush administration): one William Bradford Reynolds and a then-little-known attorney named Kenneth Starr. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:50:04 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: Re: **Portland JMDL group gathering? Rob wrote: >I'm sending you out this signal here' - let's organize a nice casual meeting someplace where we can swap stories, tell lies..... Pick a date and place y'all and I'll do my best to be there. I seldom leave town this time of year, so my schedule is probably more free than you guys'. I think we're going to be going to the Robben Ford show anyway, so if anyone wants to meet up there TOO, let me know so I can be on the lookout. I liked that that show was on a Friday night if Ray and Cathy wanted to come from Seaside, Elizabeth from the Gorge, or maybe even we'd be lucky and the wonderfully wacky and witty Catherine T might be down from Seattle. ;-) >I am also seeking information about, and likely a copy of a Joni Laserdisc entitled "Come In From The Cold" (?), a Laserdisc that somehow has escaped my discover until just recently. Any help from the group on these matters will be greatly appreciated!! I don't have any of these on Laserdisc, but I do have the store bought VHS of each and would be glad to loan them to you to preview or record until you find them on disc. You can check ebay periodically - didn't see any on disc (only vhs) there last night when I went a lookin. As for the CD bootlegs - oh baby, you're in for a treat! I don't have a burner yet, but I'm sure someone will hook you up...I could loan you a few of the CD copies (most of what I have is on tape) if you have a burner. Besides the early 2nd Fret stuff, A Day In The Garden and Joni & James in London are must haves too! >If I am the senior of the group, just remember - history has taught us that the elders of the tribe represent a vast sea of knowledge, a deep reservoir of wisdom, and a huge fountain of bullshit! I will expect to be received accordingly. ;-) ...Rob But of course, sir! My kids playfully mock me because, especially around those older than I, I'm so much like the Alaska Airlines brown nosing kid gardener! ;-) But in the same regard, I hope you're not intimidated by Mr. Symes (thanks for the pic Brian!) who looks like he could be our Les's, equally handsome, brother. ;-) Penny Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:58:34 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni/Thom Yorke hey sarah, i'm glad there are young people on the list. i know sometimes some of us ...cough...mature folk don't fully recognize the unique perspective that comes with youth. you should get to know yael from michigan. she's very very up beat and postive and plays joni songs and often speaks for the young perspective. i think nikki is young too but from the last fest it looks like the old man paz was trying to corrupt her. as you see joni and rajoheyaad ( the proper southern phonetic for radiohead as i was reminded yesterday off list ) on the same list, i like to call that..cross threads that intersect in your sweetspot. this happens alot. the first time it happened to me was when i bought t.i. at the store and brought it to my office and played it and couldn't figure out why i liked the jacket so much. then i realized that i had a print of the vincent self portrait with bandaged ear hanging on my wall and i broke down cried and the mail man came in and thought i was having a nervous breakdown. anyway, this happens all the time and i do like thom yorke and i am posting next about that with the drity old pazman. and then i'm going to have to post about something yael put up earlier that comes from my incarnation as an italian woman in the body of an irishman. see how fun life is? good luck and enjoy. patrick np. dm / tr ants marching ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:23:27 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: the President-elect's cabinet picks (NCJ) > Me now: of course not. But bipartisanship, which Mr. Bush claims to > embrace, involves taking some care not to totally alienate the opposition > and even throwing it a few bones every once in a while. Reasonable minds > may disagree on whether that's been done so far, but I think it hasn't. I agree he needs to throw some real bones to the opposition, but how can people so easily predict what these appointees are going to do before they have even been confirmed, much less actually spent a day on the job. > If anyone doubts just how powerful Justice is in > enforcing our laws, just take a look at the mischief to civil rights, > affirmative action, and employment law that was done almost entirely, if > memory serves, by two high-ranking Justice Department officials under the > Reagan administration, (and maybe some of the G.H.W. Bush administration): > one William Bradford Reynolds and a then-little-known attorney named Kenneth > Starr. What mischief did they do? Please enlighten me because I don't recall issues regarding those laws during the Reagan administration. I'm not being obstinate - I truly am not aware of such issues. As for the current AG Janet Reno, many will argue that she has also facilitated some mischief in the area of civil rights in the form of Waco, Elian Gonzalez, the FBI files that were gathered up improperly on employees and others in the Clinton White House, etc. I may be completely naive, but I just don't see how a handful of people can successfully overturn long-standing laws such as abortion, on their political whim. I just can't see them being able to do that and get away with it under our current system Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:34:49 -0800 From: "Catherine Coffey" Subject: **Portland JMDL group gathering? Ray and I would most definitely get up to Portland for a Joni-gathering! (Hi Penny - how ya been??) Cathy in Seaside _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:09:21 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Chavez Hold on a minute. The NY Times accuses Chavez (who was entirely unknown to me 2 weeks ago) of being a hypocrite for being "fiercely critical" of Ms. Baird. But the Chavez quote simply says, "I think most of the American people were upset during the Zok Baird >> nomination that she had hired an illegal alien. That was what upset them >> more than the fact that she did not pay Social Security taxes." That's not an attack at all. She's guessing at what the public found objectionable. Now maybe she actually did say something critical but the quote above does not prove the Times' assertion. Respectfully, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:13:45 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Nathan La Franeer The ghostly garden is NYC seen in the 4th dimension in a transindental way each new tower is a sunflower or corn stalk in joni's mind, after all she was a girl from the plains of grain who traveled in planes leaving vapor trails across that bleak terrain. opps sorry 33 years i have listen to this muse second to only mi madre! Ola Adios. - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:12:20 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: 20 to 1 on VH1 I had to go and pick up my son from school around 3PM EST today. My husband, Thom, got home from work early since he started at 4AM today. When I arrived home he said "Cassy, come here for a minute and look at this." He had cued up a 4-5 minute segment about Joni from a show he'd been watching on VH-1 "20 to 1" and he'd seen that Joni was going to be on... he'd put in a tape very quickly during the commercial and taped it for me... barely missed the intro but got the segment. I said "Thom, what is this a list of? 20 to 1 of what?" he said "Oh, I think they said the top 20 guitar - something" so I have no idea what category she was listed as 16 of 20 in. Anyone else know? Cassy NP: Buckwheat Zydeco "Five Card Stud" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:29:37 -0800 From: "Elizabeth Udall" Subject: Re: **Portland JMDL group gathering? Penny wrote: >Elizabeth from the Gorge, or maybe even we'd be lucky and the >wonderfully >wacky and witty Catherine T might be >down from Seattle. ;-) I'm all for it--just let me know when and where. As for the fabulous Catherine T., I'll do my best to get her down here! Elizabeth (from the Gorge!) NP: The Sundays-Reading, Writing and Arithmetic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:58:07 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: joni in poetrymagazine.com Bob asked: >>> Question: To what is Joni referring when she repeats "the ghostly garden grows"? Does she mean the world in general as a ghostly garden? Funny then, in Woodstock she says we've got to get ourselves back to the garden. <<< I always thought "we've got to get ourselves back to the garden" in Woodstock meant the garden of Eden... but the "ghostly garden grows" was a little less obvious to me on the first few listens. After many years of personal growth and hundreds of Joni listening hours I came to the following conclusion: As we pass through life we come into contact with many places, people and situations; then they are gone, fleeting vignettes which live only in our memory. It's almost as if they slip from our reality into another "world," the fourth dimension of time. On reflection, these vignettes could be conceived of as "ghostly," no longer tangible or based in reality but living on in another form and the longer we live and have experiences the more our garden of ghosts grows. I am probably full of shit , but are we ever "wrong" when we share our own interpretations? Cassy NP: Toad the Wet Sprocket "Fear" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:14:50 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: joni in poetrymagazine.com - --- cassy wrote: > Bob asked: > > >>> Question: To what is Joni referring when she > repeats "the ghostly > garden grows"? Does she mean the world in general as > a ghostly garden? As we pass through life we come into contact with > many places, people > and situations; then they are gone, fleeting > vignettes which live only > in our memory. And here I thought that was a reference to Viet Nam. A place seemingly like the Garden of Eden ... but on closer inspection a garden where only body bags are harvested. I like cassy's spin MUCH better! Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:01:24 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: **Portland JMDL group gathering? From: Penny said: >>> if Ray and Cathy wanted to come from Seaside, Elizabeth from the Gorge, or maybe even we'd be lucky and the wonderfully wacky and witty Catherine T might be down from Seattle. ;-) <<< I read this with a smile thinking all you were missing was "Michael from Mountains" (or could that be New Orleans?) Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:40:15 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: Re: 20 to 1 on VH1 >I said "Thom, what is this a list of? 20 to 1 of what?" he said "Oh, I think they said the top 20 guitar - something" so I have no idea what category she was listed as 16 of 20 in. Anyone else know? First off Cassy, nice catch! That goes for your Joni segment taping husband too! ;-) I mean really, thanks, cuz I seldom watch vh1 unless there's some kind of JC. Although I did enjoy the Cat Stevens piece a few weeks ago. Looking at the TV guide it lists vh1 this afternoon as showing several different categories of hour long "20-1" episodes titled "Girl Groups", "Duets", "Various categories", "Guitar superstars", "David Crosby", "Teen Idols" and "Divas". Wonder if Joni is in more than one category? I would imagine these will be shown repeatedly so if we don't get Joan's portions taped the first time, we'll get to try again in the near future. A check to their website might be in order.....a surfin' I will go, a surfin' I will go, hi ho the merry-o, a surfin' I will go! ;-) Penny Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:47:05 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: 20 to 1 on VH1 Penny wrote: >>> First off Cassy, nice catch! That goes for your Joni segment taping husband too! ;-) <<< Thanks, I was grinning from ear to ear that he taped it for me too... maybe I'll have to award him some "good boy" points or something (maybe a little B & B) >>> Looking at the TV guide it lists vh1 this afternoon as showing several different categories of hour long "20-1" episodes titled "Girl Groups", "Duets", "Various categories", "Guitar superstars" <<< I believe it was in the category of "Guitar superstars," Penny. I just went to him and asked if it could have been that category and he said very possibly since Les Paul was in the same program. They discussed her "oversized" guitar during the segment and they showed the photo of her that was used on the TNT Tribute poster holding her guitar. If you do confirm this... please let me know. Pretty soon I'll have to edit some things to donate to the next video tree. Cassy NP: Susan Tedeschi "Looking For Answers" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:49:04 -0500 From: "Paul Pennington" Subject: Re: joni in poetrymagazine.com Bob wrote: > Question: To what is Joni referring when she repeats "the ghostly garden grows"? Y'all are entitled to your opinions, but I think you're getting pretty far afield here. I always thought the song (Nathan La Franeer) was about a taxi ride in New York City. She makes other, more obvious, metaphors for the city (we crawled the canyons slowly), but I think "the ghostly garden" refers to the city as well. The whole line is: "With gangs and girly shows The ghostly garden grows" And also: "With parks and plastic clothes The ghostly garden grows" With some poetic license, the city might be considered a garden, with buildings growing out of the ground, and might become "ghostly" on a dark, foggy day. Paul Pennington Augusta, Georgia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:04:09 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: joni in poetrymagazine.com > With some poetic license, the city might be considered a garden, with > buildings growing out of the ground, and might become "ghostly" on a dark, > foggy day. > Or at night. Or a smoggy day. She also mentions dirty trees & wishing wells as being party of the city (or ghostly garden). Also Nathan grumbles at the gray (ghostly gray?). Thank you, Paul! Always seemed obvious to me! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:10:00 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: To Whom It May Concern Hello All (you too Jim)- I am here in the studio tonight making dubs for all the participants of JoniFest2000, to send off for approval to do the final mixes for mastering of the cd project pending. WoW there is some amazing stuff here. I'm trying hard. Love Paz NP-Last Night of the World-Bruce Cockburn/Kink Live 3 Flor de Cana and Lime Juice (Thanks Penny) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:30:29 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Portland JMDL group gathering? If this Portland gathering is held in Portland, Michigan, it would be only 45 minutes from me, and all the Michigan and Ohio people could come too! Just a thought... (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:17:24 -0600 From: Richard Rice Subject: Joni on PBS. -If Joni is to appear on a PBS segment of American Masters, she'd better work fast. Our new President and Congress seem hell bent on putting all funding for public broadcasting into the deep dark past. John. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #10 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?