From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #462 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, December 12 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 462 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JMDL Digest V2000 #649 ( -Reply) ["Craig Waltress" ] Re: full moon and wolves [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Frustration with Ebay...VLJC ["Megan" ] Re: Joni covers [Gertus@aol.com] Re: JoniMitchell.com hide and seek [Michael Paz ] Early Birthday Wishes (SJC) [leslie@torchsongs.com] Today in Joni History - December 11 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC [Jeff Clark ] Kenneth Rexroth on Joni Mitchell [john low ] Joni piano music for "Blue" at jmdl.com [Howard ] Re: full moon and wolves ["Garret" ] Re: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC [jp ] jm trivia thanks ["BRIAN SYMES" ] un clear data ["BRIAN SYMES" ] joni pics [susan+rick ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #649 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] saving jm.com ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: saving jm.com [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: saving jm.com ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: The '83 Milan Joni Riots (For Free?) [Robert Glenn Plotner ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 02:15:36 -0600 From: "Craig Waltress" Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #649 ( -Reply) **************************************************************** Please Note The information in this E-mail message is legally privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you should not further disseminate, distribute, or forward this E-mail message. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender. Thank you ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:22:49 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: JoniMitchell.com hide and seek > Wish me luck... of course! The situation is outrageous. > > > jj - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 05:25:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #649 ( -Reply) mr craig waltress, who are you?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!? and what does this message mean? i got it three thousand times already... wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Craig Waltress Enviado el: Lunes, 11 de Diciembre de 2000 05:16 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: JMDL Digest V2000 #649 ( -Reply) **************************************************************** Please Note The information in this E-mail message is legally privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you should not further disseminate, distribute, or forward this E-mail message. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender. Thank you ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 05:28:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: JoniMitchell.com hide and seek jj dearest, the nerve! my hand is oh so ready to serve slaps right and left! rootin' here for you!!!!!! a kiss and a hug, wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de JoniMessages@aol.com Enviado el: Lunes, 11 de Diciembre de 2000 04:51 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: JoniMitchell.com hide and seek What a mess! Looks like JoniMitchell.com is taking a forced hiatus. jj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:34:33 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: JACO FILM Dave and Beth Fairall wrote: > Thanks for the new Jaco link Julius. > Has it occured to anyone else how poignant and intriguing a film about the > life and times of Jaco could be, if done well? I've written to Ingrid several times urging her to write a book on Jaco. She's a wonderful writer and an authoritive bio is needed. I hope that she is at least considering it. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:30:58 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: full moon and wolves <> You're welcome...that's why I punctuated what I had suggested by saying that you knew your friends better than did! Back in the days when I made compilation tapes for people, I would always include a Joni song that I felt spoke directly to their personal situation. Then, when they asked me about "that cool 'Song For Sharon" song', I could subversively suggest that they pick up the album it came from. This had 2 benefits...another person got turned on to Joni, and I got a free copy of Mingus after the same person bought Mingus and gave it to me saying 'you can have this one - it sucks!" ;~) << As a matter of fact, he had heard a compilation of Swedish artists doing their own (Swedish) versions of some Joni songs. I didn't know there was any such album, but it sounds interesting, doesn't it?>> It IS interesting, Dirk and quite good as well! I picked up on it thanks to Raffaelle. The title of the project is "A Bird That Whistles", and while it's a group of Swedish musicians, the songs are sung in English. This is not an official inclusion into the "Covers & Contributions", but I'll be glad to make a copy for any interested parties. Lemme know. Bob NP: XTC, "Thanks For Christmas" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:26:07 -0500 From: "Megan" Subject: Frustration with Ebay...VLJC Jim wrote: >' The desk clerk said, >"It happens every day", >As the stars fell down and the fields burned away > On Black Diamond Bay'. > Bobby Dylan, the best male songwriter in the English speaking world? Hi Jim: "Now a very great man once said That some people rob you with a fountain pen It didn't take too long to find out Just what he was talking about" Bob Dylan,"Talking New York" In the case of Ebay, I guess we can substitute " click of a mouse" for "fountain pen" ,huh? Loved your Dylan quote, and agree about Bob--he is THE man (although I must admit I have a weakness for Neil Young as well) Joni would probably be horrified-- she's said in many past interviews that she hates singer/songwriters being catorgorized into "Male" and "Female",but how can one choose between Joni & Dylan? --it's too mind-boggling to comprehend.And BW to Chris in his Ebay bidding wars, I sincerely hope he doesn't get ripped-off any more than he already has. :~) Megan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:53:16 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni covers In a message dated 11/12/00 08:21:08 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > Marcel Dadi, "Both Sides Now" (anxious to hear this one, he's a French > classical guitarist) > Hi Bob, Reading this reminded me that I've been meaning to check with you for some time whether you have Nigel Kennedy's lovely version of UFG from Classic Kennedy, or John William's classical guitar version of Woodstock (I think)? I've never heard the latter but read about it somewhere. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:14:02 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JoniMitchell.com hide and seek Jim I am so sorry you are having this trouble. Have you checked with any of the Universitys? Loyola here offers up space on their site for Louisiana music and heritage archiving. I will contact a friend there and see what they say about jm.com. I wish you the best of luck and PLEASE let us know if WE can do ANYTHING as a community. Best Michael on 12/10/00 11:51 PM, JoniMessages@aol.com at JoniMessages@aol.com wrote: > What a mess! Looks like JoniMitchell.com is taking a forced hiatus. > > Earlier this year, my ISP, Whole Earth Networks/GST, sold off all their web > customers to a company called ClearData.net. Apparently, the good folks at > ClearData.net have decided they don't want the Whole Earth/GST business after > all and they just cut us all off -- no notification letter, no courtesy call, > no nothing! Their web site isn't operational, their voice mailbox is full and > just hangs up on me. I finally managed to get somebody on the phone who > brusquely informed me that "we're not servicing you anymore," but didn't > offer any help. Isn't this illegal? It certainly should be! > > I can't believe this is happening. And I'd just put up that great picture of > Joni from the cover of Toronto's Elm Street magazine. Sigh, rant, sigh. > > So now I have to find an ISP that won't charge me multiple limbs to keep > JoniMitchell.com up and running. Apparently the server that has all the site > files on it has been sold off to a company called Valuenet. I'm going to see > what they can do; with luck I'll be back online soon. Wish me luck... > > jj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:48:13 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: RE: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC wow, this is a coincidence... i joined and bid on an item for the very first time on friday. i was desperately seeking an out of print cd by one of my favorite male singer-songwriters and found one, apparently brand new with original seal, on sale for only nine bucks. i am willing to pay way more than nine bucks, i have been looking for this forever! so i bid really high, and low and behold, no one else has even bid! i felt a little foolish, thinking every item gets bid on or something. anyway, with a little luck and another twelve hours, IT WILL BE MINE AT LAST! (dramatic cackle...) so far, i like ebay! alison e. in nyc. - --- Eric Wilcox wrote: > Here's my strategy... > enjoy- > eric > Subject: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC > > Ok, So this is probably old news to y'all, but this > Ebay thing is TRULY > EVIL! Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:49:23 GMT From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Early Birthday Wishes (SJC) Both of these gentlemen have recorded Joni's songs. Both of these gentlemen were born on December 12th. Happy Birthday David Lahm, a great musician with a heart as big as the mountains. Happy Birthday also to Frank Sinatra - Frankie, I miss you... Leslie Mixon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:45:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - December 11 1976: The LA Times reviews Hejira, saying "...the return to the more familiar and accessible tone of the folk-flavored singer-songwriter's peak creative period is only partially achieved. While containing traces of Mitchell's much admired imagery and in-sight Hejira lacks the consistency and, most importantly, the discovery of her best work." http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/761211lat.cfm 1996: The National Academy of Songwriters awards Joni a Lifetime Achievement Award. http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/961212r.cfm 1996: Joni receives the following awards from BMI: 1 Million Performance Certificate for "Big Yellow Taxi" 1 Million Performance Certificate for "Woodstock" 2 Million Performance Certificate for "Help Me" 4 Million Performance Certificate for "Both Sides Now" - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 00 14:29:12 EST From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC When I discovered ebay not that long ago, the first thing I bid on was a Joni Mitchell mousepad that I saw at Ashara's last summer and which everyone thinks is ridiculous. Even my roommate Alison, a JMDL'er, thinks it is silly- "How can you mouse-click on someone's face?" I admit it does seem strange, even a little sacriligous. Especially on someone who dosen't even like computers. So I've started to look at other uses for it. For instance when I am sitting at the table in the evening practicing my Joni songs on guitar, I often set my drink and snacks on it, kind of like a big coaster. And at Thanksgiving, Alison cooked a great meal (thanks again Alison!) and we used it to set the mashed potatoes on. You can also use it to hit people you don't like in the knee with it. Because it is soft and malleable, it does not usually leave lasting injuries. I use it this way when someone says something mean about DED or TTT. So I would have to say that for seven dollars it has proved to be good and versatile buy, if only as an interesting conversation piece. On the other hand, I was also burned when I bid on and won a supposed photo of Joni from the 1974 tour. It turned out that it wasn't a photo or print of a photo at all. A friend of mine said it was just a picture printed off the internet on some kind of photo-like laser paper. You can see the printer marks along the top of it. At about $14 dollars, this was a complete rip-off and I'm thinking of filing some kind of complaint. My advice would be to be very cautious of "photos" on ebay. Having just looked at ebay I've seen some new things I hadn't seen before. I thinking about getting the Joni Mitchell Commemorative Guitar Pick Collection as a Christmas gift to myself. Please don't outbid me JMDL! Jeff -- also a Collective Soul fan. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 9:15 +1000 From: john low Subject: Kenneth Rexroth on Joni Mitchell Hello everyone, I was interested to discover that the poet, Kenneth Rexroth, was an early admirer of Joni Mitchell. Browsing the internet, I found an article written by him in 1969 titled Subversive Aspects of Popular Songs, in which he places the idea of popular music as poetry in its historical context. At one point he states how difficult it is to talk about the present (ie. 1969) situation because so much is happening. But he says: On the whole my own taste runs to poet singers who get to the root of the matter, who speak for fundamental changes in the sensibility in human relationships and therefore in language. Dylan at his best, Donovan, Leonard Cohen, Joni Mitchell, Judy Collins when she sings her own things . It is a very interesting article and can be found at www.slip.net/~knabb/rexroth/songs.htm I havent posted much of late (nothing really to say, I suppose), but before I return to my comfortable lurkdom Id like to say welcome to the new Aussie jmdler who I see has joined the list. Hi b.w.frank! Cheers, John. __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:48:07 +0000 From: Howard Subject: Joni piano music for "Blue" at jmdl.com Calling all piano players! I've just added the piano music for "Blue" to the jmdl.com site, so if you're interested to try it, let me know how you get on. (in the guitar section just search for type:piano, or search for the song "Blue") I've responded to a few emails over the last year or so, from people asking about Joni piano music, and said that i would be adding some to the JMDL site at some point. It took me a while longer than I'd planned, but it's there now! I hope to add at least one more song (For Free) soonish ... Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:06:44 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC > I admit it does seem strange, even a > little sacriligous. I am sure Our Lady won't mind....... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:40:38 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: full moon and wolves that was a nice post there Dirk i have to agree with you: at this point Hits and Misses dont really seem to represent my favourite part of Joni's career. i mean, i hear Judgement of the Moon and Stars or Down ot You or Amelia and it's like....this is Joni as i love her, but for those "uninitated new listeners" my favourite Joni moments might be a little *too* obscure or just too Joni-ish to take. imagine trying to introduce someone to Joni's music with HOSL! that album has been spinning in my cd player a lot lately and i'm really loving it (it was an absolute impulse buy one day, and it has just sat in my house for a while with me listening mostly to my fave tracks, but now i've really taken to it) but i can completely understand how it could possibly cause the opposite reaction in my frineds than i desire. i love harrys house/centerpiece, so when a friend forced me to copy all my fave Joni songs for him by means of introduction ot her music that was inevitably on there. he liked harrys house, but he hated centerpiece- which i think is "awfully marvelous". and i thought that was a song that everyoen would like once they heard it, lol! he did love chelsea morning, bsn, and river. now, for the NJC part: i liked the initiation rite analogy:-) very apt. i'm a science student; this was my first choice of college course. but at the time of making up my mind and filling out those forms i really wanted to study anthropology and was totally torn between two courses, my own and an arts degree in Maynooth. ideally i would have loved to do psychology with anthropology. i changed my mind so many times and finally said "thats it". does social anthropology make for good studying? my friends and relatives thought i was mad when i wanted to pursue this subject because a teacher of mine told my parents that there are few careet options in Ireland for an anthropolgy graduate. of course, they were at least happy that there was something i *wanted* to study! GARRET ps- i will learn to type eventually. i finally bought Mavis Beacon! NP- the supremes, all i want ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:14:19 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC on 12/11/00 11:29 AM, Jeff Clark at jclarknyc@netscape.net wrote: > Having just looked at ebay I've seen some new things I hadn't seen before. I > thinking about getting the Joni Mitchell Commemorative Guitar Pick Collection > as a Christmas gift to myself. Please don't outbid me JMDL! Jeff- No this is something I would fight you for. I have a greeat collection of picks from all kinds of artists and of course they are scattered all thru my house in different pick locations, but JONI PICKS, oh please let there be two sets. Michael(getting ready to shoot Jeff with my Nerf Joni Gun) NP-Morrison-CPR Live ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 03:41:16 +0200 From: jp Subject: Re: Frustration With Ebay...VLJC there are people who don't seem to understand how an individual bid and the increment differ. i've received one hate mail with the writer being very frustrated at how everytime he raised his bid, i immediately outbid him... this was at the last minutes of the auction. of course it was the proxy system raising the high bid by the increment everytime he bidded, and my limit was never met. i was sound asleep at the time. i confess that i sometimes bid at the last minute too, on purpose. partly i simply take advantage of the fact that many of the other bidders have not submitted their real limit and aren't going to be online at the last minute. on the other hand, there is always a risk that eBay isn't working at all at the crucial moments or lines are so congested that you can't place your bid in time. at the end of the day, i think the best way to control oneself at eBay is to do what eBay itself instructs: submit a bid that's your limit - simple as that. and remember to exclude shipping costs from that figure - especially if you are in another country. even if someone outbids you, your bid makes sure that no-one gets it cheaper than what you were prepared to pay... ;-) - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:59:03 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: jm trivia thanks 1.Thanks to KAKKI and IVPAUL42 FOR TRIVIA answers and JoniMessages for info on jonimitchell.com 2.NO thanks to Craig Waltress wake up go have technical difficulties man! 3. What can Jmdl people do to get jm.com back? Thanks Bye. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:33:43 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: un clear data just surfed thru the short history od the isp uncleardata.net whoa it just ate up a bunch of smaller fish in the net and now its being merged with compaq computers to set up something off a rival of msn. Bucky Fuller envisisioned a world bank to create an equal usage of our planet resourses. He had no clue to the WORLDNET THAT IS TO BE . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:48:27 -0800 From: susan+rick Subject: joni pics Thanks to Pat for the tip about the Joni photos (and others, including Linda Ronstadt) at: http://www.wildeimages.com Hey Pat, check the site again. There are actually eight pictures! And no, I haven't forgotten about the scan I promised you. It will happen. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:25:50 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #649 Jim --- re the missing jm.com site/files. If this is copyrighted material, then notify them (whoever it is) that your lawyer is preparing to sue their ass unless you get access to it right away. This is a national tragedy, almost as bad as the probable Bush presidency. God help us all. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:39:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: saving jm.com i'm no expert, so i don't know whether this is feasible or not. however, i think that we should start thinking as a community and try to figure out a way to fight whomever we need to fight and befriend whomever we need to befriend in order to get jm.com back where it belongs. i don't have the slightest idea of what can be done, i'm so sorry to admit, but i'm willing to do whatever is required and asked of me to stop this atrocity. should we raise funds? should we sue? should we seek the advice of experts? i know all of you out there feel that something must be done. let's start discussing this issue, please. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:48:30 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: saving jm.com I say raise funds. I have a copy of the Mendel Gallery's recent fall issue of Folio featuring Joni which I'm willing to offer at a private auction to the JMDL Community. Proceeds to benefit JM.com. I'm not sure how exactly we could do this. I was thinking that if anyone else had stuff out there they're willing to donate we can put it together and the highest bidder wins whatever item they bid on. What do you think? Any ideas? Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 03:53:31 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: saving jm.com i have an original program book of the refuge of the roads tour. would that be worth anything? wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: RoseMJoy@aol.com [mailto:RoseMJoy@aol.com] Enviado el: Martes, 12 de Diciembre de 2000 03:49 a.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: saving jm.com I say raise funds. I have a copy of the Mendel Gallery's recent fall issue of Folio featuring Joni which I'm willing to offer at a private auction to the JMDL Community. Proceeds to benefit JM.com. I'm not sure how exactly we could do this. I was thinking that if anyone else had stuff out there they're willing to donate we can put it together and the highest bidder wins whatever item they bid on. What do you think? Any ideas? Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:14:06 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Glenn Plotner Subject: Re: The '83 Milan Joni Riots (For Free?) A friend in Italy has written to tell me that the "riot" during Joni's concert in Milan in 1983 was the result of a police clash with leftists who were of a strong opinion that music concerts should be free. The group was trying to forcibly gain access to the sold-out venue. Reminds me a little of the documentary footage of the Isle of Wight Festival. But wasn't 1983 a little late for this kind of crusade? Robert Get ClownX Spray-on Clown Revealer now! http://www.seriouslydisturbedhumor.com/ Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:18:30 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: uncleardata If the jm page dissapeared at cleardata we could all email (sue.wilcox@clear date.net) or (sales@cleardata.net) SUBLIME pictures of joni,on wilde pictures, susan+rick screen saver material for sure. gettin your kicks on gooey pres pics is good therapy! N.P. Happy Xmas (the election will be over) Celine ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #462 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?