From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #456 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, December 6 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 456 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- TLTISR, Tin Angel and BSN [Penny ] Re: Absolutely Fabulous ["Hell" ] Joni equipment for sale [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: Joni equipment for sale [Mark Domyancich ] clark said... [Yael Harlap ] Sonicnet plays Joni's "Comes Love" ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Sonicnet plays Joni's "Comes Love" [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Sonicnet plays Joni's "Comes Love" ["Lori R. Fye" ] Joni to be featured on "American Masters" [Murphycopy@aol.com] Joni to be featured on PBS's "American Masters" [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Joni to be featured on "American Masters" [Randy Remote ] [none] ["Dave and Beth Fairall" ] TNT special ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: Joni to be featured on "American Masters" ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Sisotowbell Lane ? NPC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Sisotowbell Lane ? [susan+rick ] Sisotowbell Lane, FL [susan+rick ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:29:55 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: TLTISR, Tin Angel and BSN Hi y'all! I had an interesting JC encounter this past weekend I'd thought I'd share with you guys. If you've followed a couple of my other posts, maybe you'll remember my mentioning a guy I know who played in a Detroit club called The Poison Apple in the mid-sixties with a group named the Spikedrivers. At this club, the Spikedrivers would take turns playing before or after Chuck and Joni, either singularly or as a duet. Saturday I had to go over to Sid's (of the Spikedrivers) to pick up my daughter after she spent the night with her best friend, Sid's daughter. When I got there, Sid introduced me to Richard, another member of his old band, who was visiting Sid on his way through town. Sid relayed to Richard I was a big fan of Joni's and conversely to me that Richard had known Joni better and for longer than he had. They started relaying stories, much akin to what Pat Henry has shared with us, about how Joni would strike up friendships and hangout to eat, drink, play guitar, learn, share and whatever with people at these little Detroit clubs. (Pat, just for a sake of a timeline, the Spikedrivers played the same gigs as Joni before you knew her. Sid knew Joni only after she had married Chuck but before she was doing any open tunings, while Richard had first met Joni while she was still Joni Anderson. Now Sid knew Chuck before either he (Sid) or Chuck had met Joni. Sid said he gave Chuck some guitar lessons when he (Sid) was about 16 - Sid and Joni are the same age. Sid recalls the Cellar, but Richard doesn't. He had spintered off the Spikedrivers and headed to Greenwich Village before the Cellar got going again, so he didn't remember that club. Phew - follow that.) Pat, just like you've conveyed, neither of these guys knew about Joni having a child. Neither Richard or Sid found out about the baby until Joni revealed it publically, but I saw the light go on when I explained why she had married Chuck, because neither ever thought Chuck was worthy of Joni, not at the time or since - every time his name came up, one or both would pop in with a "Chuck's was and is a putz" type comment. So hearing about Joni's effort to keep her child, shed a lot of light on her marriage to him, all these years after the fact. After only catching a slight word in the press about the child, Richard had initially thought Kilauren was in her teens now - he had no idea the child was from the same time period when he had known Joni. Richard said, "obviously, it was something Joni kept very close to the vest." This paragraph is away from the main thrust of my post, but I figured I'd address it now rather than answer an obvious question many might have. I did ask Richard if it were possible if he were *the* Richard? He didn't know, but said it was possible. He said everything fits except his wife was a graphic artist, not a figure skater. But then giving a disclaimer, "but I'm sure Joni knew a lot of Richards." This is another short paragraph away from my main thrust for the post, but a neccesary piece to convey as a way of set-up. OK, so the main thing that intrigues me are possible links between, TLTISR, BSN and Tin Angel. Richard told me after he moved to NYC, he and Joni used to get together all the time to talk, have drinks and just hang out at a club on Bleeker Street in Greenwich Village named The Tin Angel. And it was at one of these little get togethers with Richard at the Tin Angel that Joni pulled out of her ever-present notebook a new song she had just written she was really excited about. She handed the song to Richard and he encouraged her that he also thought this "clouds" song was pretty darn good. ;-) This is where I'm wondering if maybe there's a link. Is the "dark cafe days" and "dark with darker moods", the setting of both TLTISR and Tin Angel, relaying the same friendship and atmoshere, just written with a different focus? And could Joni's lyrical reference in Tin Angel "to talk of castles in the sky" be a way of conveying BSN had been one of their topics covered? Hmmmm Sid had a BSN story too. Sid was spending fair amounts of time in NYC because their manager lived there and Atlantic records was courting the Spikedrivers to sign a record deal at the time. It was about this same time that Joni got ahold of Sid and suggested they put it on their record because Joni told Sid: "Mary Carol's voice would be perfect for this." Mary Carol was Sid's wife and the female singer in the band. Anyway, Sid kinda blew off Joni and told her they woud think about it and get back to her. Never did. Sid had a *can you believe my stupidity* look on his face when sharing that - but I'm glad he was laughing about his folly when he relayed that tidbit! ;-) Oh, one thing I told those two that they were both quite pleased about. (Both casually followed Joni's career, but not close enough to pick up on as many details as we all know. Each are more into concentrating their own thang than anyone elses.) I let them know that Chuck had been the one to insist both he and Joni had seperate companies for their publishing rights. Oh, they got a huge kick out of that! Sid, just said "Karma, man. Cuz you know he didn't do it to protect Joni - He did it out of his own arrogant greed. Karma gets you every time." ;-D Night all, Penny Note to self - get Darrell's e-mail addy to Richard since he's heading for Vanc BC next. Who knows, maybe Joni is visiting the cabin and would like to pop in to the Empire hotel for drinks with Richard like the old days. ;-) BTW, Richard said he tried to catch up with Joni backstage at her 98 Toronto show, but she had already left to spend some time with Kilauren before his note got back to her. ;-( Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:05:58 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Absolutely Fabulous Alison wrote: > well, i had to go and rent this immediately because i > have seen many Absolutely Fabulous episodes but didn't > remember this Joni reference. for those of you who > didn't catch this before, one woman (eddy) is making a > speech to her daughter about how abandoned she feels > and she says the phrase "in the squinting sun". then > her friend (patsy) walks in and says "and the hissing > of summer lawns". the audience laughs, but i am not > sure why. do they get that it's a joni mitchell > reference? it was funny to me, but i can't imagine the > average american audience laughing at the line. > colin, or other brits, you'll have to clear this up > for me. I must have watched this episode at least 15-20 times (Ab Fab is one of my all-time favourite shows) but I still had to go back and check this reference for myself! Amazing the stuff the brain decides to keep and not keep! And I think the audience is reacting more to Patsy and her normal sarcasm toward Saffy, rather than actually picking up on the Joni reference. Sad, really! > p.s. this is an incredibly funny show. if you haven't > seen it before, now you have an excuse to rent some > episodes at your local video store. Definitely - one of the funniest shows ever! Two women doing every politically incorrect thing that it's possible for two women to do! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:22:36 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Joni equipment for sale Notice ...all you guitar players..there is some Joni owned equipment for sale on Ebay...."You can own two JC-120s from the Joni Mitchell Collection" I have no connection to this item nor do I know seller...just a interesting item, I thought. see it at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=518645470 FYI, Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:15:30 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni equipment for sale Roland still makes these amps, although I have never seen one in a music store before. These are the same amps she used during the Shadows and Light and WTRF tours. I don't know how good they would sound after about 17 years in storage. They would be nice items to have, but I would buy a brand new one. NP-New Bohemians, 11/27/94-Uh Oh At 6:22 AM -0500 12/5/00, MP123A321@aol.com wrote: >Notice ...all you guitar players..there is some Joni owned equipment for sale >on Ebay...."You can own two JC-120s from the Joni Mitchell Collection" > >I have no connection to this item nor do I know seller...just a interesting >item, I thought. >see it at: >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=518645470 > >FYI, >Maurice - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:02:26 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: clark said... Popping out of the woodwork for a moment... Clark wrote: >I know there are fans of Ayn Rand on this >list, but I strongly feel she is an author whose novels are suitable only to >adolescence and its accompanying stage of total self-indulgence. I don't disagree with your opinion of Ayn Rand but I do take issue (as I always do!) with the maligning of young people! Young people - who have little social/economic and political power - are easily scapegoated and are often blamed for numerous societal problems, such as drug abuse, crime and their own poverty. Well, the facts show otherwise! Pick up "Framing Youth" by Mike Males if you want evidence*. So re: Clark's statement, adolescents are not in a stage of "total self-indulgence" - some are and some aren't, just like adults. Ayn Rand's work can be effectively critiqued without demeaning youth! Not intended to be aggressive... just speaking out to fight oppression... :-) - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:10:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Sonicnet plays Joni's "Comes Love" Taking the time to set up Sonicnet must be one of the best things I've ever done. NP: Comes Love Happily, ===== Lori in DC http://radio.sonicnet.com/mymusiclisten.asp?name=lrfye http://www.art101.com/flame/taxfree.htm Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 11:44:05 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Sonicnet plays Joni's "Comes Love" "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > Taking the time to set up Sonicnet must be one of the > best things I've ever done. Or, you can click on Deb Messling's link. Being the fab librarian she is she has already done all the work for us. Jerrry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 00:22:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - December 5 1980: The LA Times writes a review of the film "Nine Lives" which Joni participated in. They say "Levinson had thought of going from country to country for other views on love. Nancy Dowd was recruited. He approached Joni Mitchell, a Canadian, to write the music for the film. She decided instead to write one of the screenplays - and star in it as well." http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/801205lat.cfm 1997: ZDNet publishes a reunion story, based on the assistance Wally gave Joni. "When friends who had read the tabloid stories suggested she might be Mitchell's daughter, Gibb turned to the Internet and discovered Breese's labor of love, the Joni Mitchell Home Page, with its wealth of biographical facts: She found 15 matches" Read the rest: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/971205zdnn.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:03:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Sonicnet plays Joni's "Comes Love" > Or, you can click on Deb Messling's link. Being the > fab librarian she is she has already done all the > work for us. Where/what is Deb's link? Thanks, Jerry! (And Deb!) Lori in DC Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:50:04 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Joni to be featured on "American Masters" Joni was mentioned today in a story on PBS's "American Masters" series. The article is at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20001204/en/ap_on_tv_american_masters_1.html Here's what they had to say about Joni: In any given season, the program tries to achieve a balance among various disciplines and to offer ethnic and gender diversity, although (Lucille) Ball, as it turns out, is the only woman to be featured this season. ``The female equivalents of Frank Lloyd Wright and F. Scott Fitzgerald are hard to come by,'' said Lacy. ``I think that's the truth. I think that's going to change.'' Films are in development for Toni Morrison, Diana Vreeland, Clare Boothe Luce, Judith Jamison and other women, while a profile of Joni Mitchell already is under way. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:23:03 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Joni to be featured on PBS's "American Masters" I don't know if it's just me or what, but I've been having trouble getting mail from and to the list today. This is my second attempt to post the following: Joni was mentioned today in a story on PBS's "American Masters" series. The article is at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20001204/en/ap_on_tv_american_masters_1.html Here's what they had to say about Joni: In any given season, the program tries to achieve a balance among various disciplines and to offer ethnic and gender diversity, although (Lucille) Ball, as it turns out, is the only woman to be featured this season. ``The female equivalents of Frank Lloyd Wright and F. Scott Fitzgerald are hard to come by,'' said Lacy. ``I think that's the truth. I think that's going to change.'' Films are in development for Toni Morrison, Diana Vreeland, Clare Boothe Luce, Judith Jamison and other women, while a profile of Joni Mitchell already is under way. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:49:14 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni to be featured on "American Masters" That is so cool-this is the first big-time biography type program about JM isn't it? Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Joni was mentioned today in a story on PBS's "American Masters" series. The > article is at > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20001204/en/ap_on_tv_american_masters_1.html > > Here's what they had to say about Joni: > > In any given season, the program tries to achieve a balance among various > disciplines and to offer ethnic and gender diversity, although (Lucille) > Ball, as it turns out, is the only woman to be featured this season. > > ``The female equivalents of Frank Lloyd Wright and F. Scott Fitzgerald are > hard to come by,'' said Lacy. ``I think that's the truth. I think that's > going to change.'' Films are in development for Toni Morrison, Diana > Vreeland, Clare Boothe Luce, Judith Jamison and other women, while a profile > of Joni Mitchell already is under way. > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:24:16 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: mea culpa/magpie/penny I ask all of the wonderful people the JMDL to forgive my shouting. It will not happen again. Sorry magpie i migrated to Oregon in 84, but the Folkway was a wonderful place to take special friends. Penny ? what a great early Joni story with Chuck and Richard in it I remember Chuck Mitchell playing around Detroit until i left in 75. The ladies in the audience really liked him. I will listen to these songs again with a better understanding. Bye - ----------------------- Free Email Service provided to you by Office.com, a service from Winstar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:39:15 -0600 From: "Dave and Beth Fairall" Subject: [none] There's moral indignation on both sides, but I'm just lost on why didn't Bush even extend the courtesy to meet w/ Gore, and what specifically is so scary about hand counting ALL the votes in Fla? That would put it to rest once and for all...might {probably}, change the outcome, but we'll never know. Excellent posts Rev and Mary. Thanks, Dave F. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:52:40 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: TNT special Thanks to Jim L'Hommedieu, I now have a copy of the TNT Joni tribute. This wasn't broadcast in Canada, so it was a treat to watch it last nite. Sincerest thanks, Jim! I'm sure it has been discussed on list often, but think my favourites were kd laing and Dianna Krall- funny that they are both Cdns! kd- what a voice, and I think this is the most unusual I have heard Ms. Krall. Had a little cry when James Taylor sang River! Shawn Colvin, also a standout. Question- who was sitting in the box w/Joni? I could only recognise D. Krall, and I assumed Don Freed was on Joni's right. Thanks for the info Stephen in Vancouver NP Brad Mehldau- Places ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 19:18:42 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni to be featured on "American Masters" > ``The female equivalents of Frank Lloyd Wright and F. Scott Fitzgerald are > hard to come by,'' said Lacy. ``I think that's the truth. I think that's > going to change.'' Films are in development for Toni Morrison, Diana > Vreeland, Clare Boothe Luce, Judith Jamison and other women, while a profile > of Joni Mitchell already is under way. > > --Bob As Catgirl would say WOOOOO-HOOOOO!!!!! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:26:12 -0600 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: When morons post Joni items on Ebay.... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=511134621 I was searching for Joni stuff on Ebay and this gave me quite a laugh! eric NP: Brad Mehldau - Paranoid Android - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:47:55 -0800 From: "BRIAN SYMES" Subject: Sisotowbell Lane ? NPC Thats no political content my Ms Mitchell question of the night is 1.Where is Sisotowbell lane a search on expedia found one down in the Florida panhandle not to far from a street named after a Beatle song. I know JM met David Crosby down there at the Coconut Grove?. 2. Back in Detroit and the song "I HAD A KING" refers to the salt rusted carriages, my father had a 57 de soto that rusted out by 1960, bad enough for my grand ma to fall thru the floor board cruisen down Grand River Avenue. 3. A black crow flew over me today in the quiet forest so close and i heard its wings beating good night ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 00:32:58 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Sisotowbell Lane ? NPC In a message dated 12/6/00 12:07:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, briansymes1@EMAIL.MSN.COM writes: << hell question of the night is 1.Where is Sisotowbell lane a search on expedia found one down in the Florida panhandle not to far from a street named after a Beatle song. I know JM met David Crosby down there at the Coconut Grove?. >> Coconut Grove is in Miami, entirely at the opposite end of Florida from the Panhandle. probably 500 miles or more away. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 22:57:03 -0800 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: Sisotowbell Lane ? > From: "BRIAN SYMES" > 1.Where is Sisotowbell lane a search on expedia found one down in the Florida > panhandle not to far from a street named after a Beatle song. I guess it's my turn to answer this one this time around. In the mid-60's Joni was playing around with words made up from the first letter of sentences. Some of the words came from a fantasy story she was writing that featured small fairy-like creatures ("small enough to float out of a guitar sound-hole"). The name of the queen of the female race (Joni's words) was Siquomb, which stood for She Is Queen Undisputed Of Mind Beauty, later to become the name of her publishing company. Anyway, Sisotowbell is a made-up word that came from the sentence Somehow In Spite Of Troubles Ours Will Be Ever Lasting Love. What interests me is that a town may have used it for a street name. I'll have to look that up. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 23:35:39 -0800 From: susan+rick Subject: Sisotowbell Lane, FL > From: "BRIAN SYMES" > 1.Where is Sisotowbell lane a search on expedia found one down in the Florida > panhandle not to far from a street named after a Beatle song. I looked up the name on Expedia and, sure enough, there it was, a stone's throw from Penny Lane and apparently intersecting Long and Winding Road. It was spelled Sisowtobell, however. Anyone live in the Tallahassee area who could check up on this? It looks to be a few miles north of Interstate10, about five miles east of the city. Think I'll check MapQuest now. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #456 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?