From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #446 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, November 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 446 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- "Classic Joni"? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni on Zappa List, ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Today in Joni History ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] JMDL Video Tree Preview ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Today in Joni History - November 23 [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Today in Joni History - November 23 [Siresorrow@aol.com] Back to the Garden ["Cassie Fox" ] Re: Today in Joni History - November 13 addendum [Randy Remote ] Re: Zappa & Joni [Robert Glenn Plotner ] river [catman ] The day Joni got angry ["Paul Headon" ] Re: The day Joni got angry [MGVal@aol.com] Re: The day Joni got angry ["cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 02:48:32 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Classic Joni"? Wow, Muller, this is some wonderful writing! Nice job. We gotta get you away from that burner to type more often! Clap, clap, clap, clap. Lama The topic was picked up from Mark in Seattle: > Is there such a thing as 'classic Mitchell?' If you think there is, > which period & why do you think so? And you said, [[ I think there is, but it has less to do with a genre of music (rock, folk, jazz, etc.) and more to do with the unique things she brings to her music; her swooping vocals, which can be found as early as "Night In The City" and as recent as "Harlem in Havana". Her rhythmic guitar work, where she picks and strums simultaneously, the piano chords that only SHE seems to know, and above all, the lyrics that go where nobody else can imagine to go. Bob ]] - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 02:57:14 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni on Zappa List, Gees, Les. I dunno. We've all been having SUCH a good time discussing the admissibility of dimpled 'chads' and the demise of the separation of powers.... Yer gunna bring the party _down_. :) (Tongue firmly in cheek, natch.) Les said, > Now HERE's a topic for discussion! I found > this on a Frank Zappa > webpage today. Anyone know anything about > this? Lama PS- Note to Marcel: you don't have to add this "Motorhead" person to the year 1967 on your infamous list. :) Hey, I'm allowed to be a smart alec today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 03:05:41 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Today in Joni History Hey Les, Thanks for posting these again. Lately, I've been checking out some of them, based on your excerpts. This Mitchell woman.... seems like a decent lyricist? Can't sleep and thinking I'm hysterically funny, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 03:43:35 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: JMDL Video Tree Preview Don't read this if it's gonna spoil it for you. - --------- - --------- Les mentioned a 1994 article published in the Los Angeles Weekly (at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/941125law.cfm ). It turns out that the article is timely. It discusses Joni's appearance on a tv programme called Intimate and Interactive on Canada's "Much Music" channel that many, many JMDLers are waiting to see in the Ashara-powered JMDL Video Tree #2. I believe "sake" is a Japanese wine. In the video Joni sips from a very small vessel between some songs. She is very upbeat and bouncy and in-her-own-skin and at ease in the appearance on Intimate and Interactive. Here's an excerpt, written by Alice Echols: [[Something is bothering Mitchell tonight, it's her parents. They've let her know she's "disgraced them in front of all of Canada" during her September 23 appearance on the 90-minute program Intimate and Interactive , on Much Music, Canada's music-video channel. In a 1979 interview, Mitchell explained that if she was occasionally less than candid it was to protect her very "old-fashioned and moral" parents. She joked, "I keep saying 'Momma, Amy Vanderbilt killed herself. That should have been a tip-off that we're into a new era." But she was only 36 then. Watching Joni Mitchell now, 51 years old, grappling with parental disapproval is both wonderful and terrifying. Before the show, producers gave Mitchell some sake to warm up her vocal cords and control her jitters. "I entered the room with a pretty glowy and goofy spirit. It began so lightly that to gear down into the spirit to sing these tragedies that I write was pretty tricky stuff." During a phone-in segment, after her first set, an earnest young woman asked if she was "proud to be a Canadian. Mitchell, who divides her time between L.A. and British Columbia, didn't give an easy answer. She spoke of her "annoyance" with "borderlines" and jokingly termed herself "bi-national." After expressing her affection for Canada, she said she preferred warmer climates. "The cold (Canadian) winters and Scottish and Irish blood (not coincidentally, perhaps, her mother's ethnicity) create an emotionally withholding people." She closed the show with "Happiness is the Best Face Lift," a new song inspired by an argument with her mother. Before singing it, though, she said, "Momma, if you're listening tonight, I love you so much." It was a tender performance that revealed Mitchell's warmth, vulnerability, thoughtfulness and humor. Although the show generated no negative response, even from Canadian nationalists, her parents were ashamed to see their daughter smoking and singing songs with two curse words. ]] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 05:06:49 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - November 23 In a message dated 11/24/00 12:18:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << Is there such a thing as 'classic Mitchell?' If you think there is, which period & why do you think so? >> i just leant my copy of ttt to someone and i told them that i felt the first track, hih, was classic joni mitchell. classic in the sense,....when everything is working right in her heart, and she's full of zest, this bright combination of sounds is what results. i think she's done this in many periods. but i also think she has ups and downs. so i could say maybe....night ride home was an up....ti was a down....ttt was an up. now...up and down is not relevant to quality. all her music is quality. but i'm talking explosive texture....that comes out in the up. i think hejira had it. court and spark. and so on. not sure about ded. ok rowe, it's your turn to do the social implications of ded now. ciao. p np. silence ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 05:09:55 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - November 23 In a message dated 11/24/00 1:05:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Is there such a thing as 'classic Mitchell?' If you think there is, > which period & why do you think so? > I think there is, but it has less to do with a genre of music (rock, folk, jazz, etc.) and more to do with the unique things she brings to her music; her swooping vocals, which can be found as early as "Night In The City" and as recent as "Harlem in Havana". >> i just read this after i posted my own version of the same thing. very spooky. and the only reason i'm staying with this radiohead for another week. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:29:24 From: "Cassie Fox" Subject: Back to the Garden I am unfamiliar with the Joni tribute album "Back to the garden." Could someone enlighten me about the songs and performers on it? Thanks! Cassie _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:15:55 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - November 13 addendum > Even stranger was that she dated Motorhead, which is why she ended up at > Frank's place... Motorhead is/was a band, right? Three guys? You mean she was dating all of them at once???? Old lady of the year indeed. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:58:29 EST From: CaliMermeyd@aol.com Subject: Re: songs with street names wow, All i can think of is "Easy Street" from Annie, a play i absolutely despise. - -zelda ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:49:18 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: songs with street names I just remembered another .... Love Street- The Doors - -Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:36:16 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Glenn Plotner Subject: A Milan Riot? Speaking of odd moments in Joni concerts (ref. Zappa), does anyone have any information on Joni's Milan, Italy concert of May 9, 1983? The concert is somewhat noisy but seems to be progressing at an enthusiastic pace. Then some kind of disturbance can be heard during "For Free," a sound of perhaps an angry crowd chanting and setting off pyrotechnics outside the arena. The arena crowd encourages Joni, but at this point the song is really wasted. Eventually she comes back and apologizes, "Well I'm sorry that it wasn't a bigger place. Apparently there was a little trouble outside, but its quieted down now." Then during "A Case of You," distant sirens can be heard. Joni says something like "I was trying to play to the cops..." She tries to stay focused but the atmosphere outside, with more rockets (or is that the police?), is very disruptive. She seems a little shaken and concludes the song saying "it's a war zone." Does anyone have an idea of what transpired here? Robert ===== Seriously Disturbed: A humor magazine http://www.seriouslydisturbedhumor.com/ The Archival Group: Dedicated to preserving and sharing the legacy of live music. http://www.archivalgroup.f2s.com/ or subscribe http://www.topica.com/lists/archivalgroup/ Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:45:37 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Glenn Plotner Subject: Re: Zappa & Joni On the Zappa/Joni show, I am told: According to Greg Russo's book Cosmic Debris the date of the concert is the 14th not the 13th, there were 2 shows featuring Sha Na Na, J.F. Murphy And The Free Flowing Salt & Joni Mitchell. Best regards, Robert ===== Seriously Disturbed: A humor magazine http://www.seriouslydisturbedhumor.com/ The Archival Group: Dedicated to preserving and sharing the legacy of live music. http://www.archivalgroup.f2s.com/ or subscribe http://www.topica.com/lists/archivalgroup/ Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 01:53:15 +0000 From: catman Subject: river the other night I recorded something on tv and left it running as I went to bed. Tonight I was trying to find what i had recorded and found I had recorded the film that followed. It was called LOVED with William Hurt and Robin right Penn. Never heard of it or seen it and still havne't. However, whilst rew and playing looking for the other program I stumbled a cross a scene with Joni singing River. This was bnot background stuff. The whole song was played as the only thing you could hear. the characters etc were silent. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 02:41:44 -0000 From: "Paul Headon" Subject: The day Joni got angry hi I just saw Joni get angry. It was a TV broadcast of the Isle of Weight (sp?) festival in the UK many years ago at the end of the 60's / begining of the 70's. The crowd was restless because of festival politics about free entry to the festival. A man had just interupted Joni's set by coming onto the stage and had gone right up to her to speak. The man was ushered away and Joni tried to restart her set -no chance the crowdwas too noisy. She then explained that her music was fun to perform but it meant a lot to her and she and the other musicians deserved respect .Joni then told a story ( nearly in tears with anger) about an Indian festival she had attended recently where some tourists had acted like indians, with respect, and some indians had acted like tourists She then accused the crowd ,and it was very large, of acting like tourists. The result ? well she sang a couple of songs and left to stading ovation ! An example of how couragous Joni can be, i think. Cheers, Paul Headon Swansea Wales UK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:27:12 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: The day Joni got angry In a message dated 11/25/00 6:50:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, p.headon@net.ntl.com writes: << She then accused the crowd ,and it was very large, of acting like tourists. The result ? well she sang a couple of songs and left to stading ovation ! An example of how couragous Joni can be, i think. >> There's an interesting counter story. I was reading a rock and roll anecdote collection and Joni was doing a concert at a prison in California, (perhaps San Quentin?). The crowd was no collection of ladies who burp discretely and she got disgusted and upset with the crowd and chided them to get into the mood of the music. The inmates were reportedly less than appreciative of her performance and things went over poorly because she failed to read or understand her audience although she had no problem bursting into righteous anger. Joan Baez followed Joni's performance and reportedly had them all eating out of her hand. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:49:29 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: The day Joni got angry - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Headon > >I just saw Joni get angry. It was a TV broadcast of the Isle of Weight >(sp?) festival in the UK many years ago at the end of the 60's / begining of >the 70's. You've got to love it as the younger (not necessarily biologically younger) Joni fans discover her many facets! Cassy NP: John Mellencamp "Rough Harvest" ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #446 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?