From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #445 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 445 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: grey hair ["Susan" ] Today in Joni History - November 23 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Today in Joni History - November 23 ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Today in Joni History - November 23 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #444 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: grey hair ["Wally Kairuz" ] Today in Joni History - November 13 addendum [Today in Joni History ] Re: Today in Joni History - November 13 addendum [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Tree Museum [Vince Lavieri ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:03:49 -0600 From: "Susan" Subject: Re: grey hair > Alison wrote: but now my grey seems to > be winning the war. I can't decide whether to bite the > bullet and go for real dye, or let my Emmy Lou happen > naturally. > Well when I was about 22, I thought it would be cool to take one good size lock in the front corner of my hair and bleach it completely white. I though it would be very punk! It never went back to my original color. And within 2 years, that entire lock went totally white, permanently. Until about 5 years ago it really stood out, but now the rest of my locks are catching up ... and fast! I think I'll do a little coloring, but leave that streak in the front, cause it still draws a little attention and I need all the help I can get! Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:06:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 23 1985: Melody Maker today publishes a short review on Dog Eat Dog, saying "She's ditched the recent jazz preoccupation for more classic Mitchell, meandering and full of warm inflections with a contemporary instrumentation." Read it here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/851123mm.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:05:46 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - November 23 > 1985: Melody Maker today publishes a short review on Dog Eat Dog, saying > "She's ditched the recent jazz preoccupation for more classic Mitchell, > meandering and full of warm inflections with a contemporary instrumentation." Isn't it funny how perceptions can be so different, even change from one period of time to the next. I wonder if this reviewer would still hold the same view today? How many of us would call 'Dog Eat Dog' 'more classic Mitchell' when compared to her 'jazz preoccupation?' How many of us would say that her 'jazz preoccupation was the true classic Mitchell? How many would call the first 3 or 4 albums the true classic Mitchell? Is there such a thing as 'classic Mitchell?' If you think there is, which period & why do you think so? Mark in Seattle wondering..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:14:39 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #444 Several years ago a Canadian Joni-tribute album was released (sorry, I can't remember the name) but I recall thinking how pedestrian all of the arrangements sounded. Shortly after that, I heard an interview with Joni where she said (something like) no one on the album understood that the chords, the melody and the lyrics of her songs are all separate and somewhat independent of each other. This concept perhaps helps to explain why I can sing her songs a capella and I can chord them just fine but when I try to put the two together, I get lost. (Or maybe I'm just an incompetent musician!) susan+rick have it wrong. The tribute album to Joni (Back to the Garden) didn't have pedestrian arrangements. They were fine, some better than others, but fine just the same. This Flight Tonight, The Hissing of Summer Lawns, Black Crow being particular stand outs. Factor in the time of release and the artists asked to perform. They did a good job and in some instances the combination of the chords, lyrics and melody made the songs refreshingly new. The folks on this album took a few more risks than the performers on the recent television tribute (Though Cindi Lauper, Diana Krall, Richard Thompson, and Cassandra Wilson did superb arrangements and performances). I haven't seen much discussion of this tribute recording. How do people generally feel about it? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:38:07 -0800 From: susan+rick Subject: songwriting Perhaps I should have added IMHO to my comment about the performances on Back To The Garden. I stand by my opinion. You can have yours but I won't call you wrong. Rick > From: StDoherty@aol.co > Several years ago a Canadian Joni-tribute album was released (sorry, I can't > remember the name) but I recall thinking how pedestrian all of the > arrangements sounded. Shortly after that, I heard an interview with Joni > where she said (something like) no one on the album understood that the > chords, the melody and the lyrics of her songs are all separate and somewhat > independent of each other. This concept perhaps helps to explain why I can > sing her songs a capella and I can chord them just fine but when I try to > put the two together, I get lost. (Or maybe I'm just an incompetent > musician!) > > susan+rick have it wrong. The tribute album to Joni (Back to the Garden) > didn't have pedestrian arrangements. They were fine, some better than others, > but fine just the same. This Flight Tonight, The Hissing of Summer Lawns, > Black Crow being particular stand outs. Factor in the time of release and > the artists asked to perform. They did a good job and in some instances the > combination of the chords, lyrics and melody made the songs refreshingly new. > The folks on this album took a few more risks than the performers on the > recent television tribute (Though Cindi Lauper, Diana Krall, Richard > Thompson, and Cassandra Wilson did superb arrangements and performances). > > I haven't seen much discussion of this tribute recording. How do people > generally feel about it? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:57:24 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - November 23 > Is there such a thing as 'classic Mitchell?' If you think there is, > which period & why do you think so? > I think there is, but it has less to do with a genre of music (rock, folk, jazz, etc.) and more to do with the unique things she brings to her music; her swooping vocals, which can be found as early as "Night In The City" and as recent as "Harlem in Havana". Her rhythmic guitar work, where she picks and strums simultaneously, the piano chords that only SHE seems to know, and above all, the lyrics that go where nobody else can imagine to go. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:02:38 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #444 > I haven't seen much discussion of this tribute recording. How do people > generally feel about it? > When it was shared as a tape tree in summer '99, it was not very well-received. Most people don't like their familiar Joni songs tampered with. I thought it was very creative, and liked the take on "Free Man In Paris" and "Songs To Aging Children" the best. The only one I didn't care for is the goofy-country version of "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio". For those that missed the tape tree offer, but would like to check it out (on tape or CD), lemme know and we can work it out! :~) Bob, staying miles away from the malls... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:19:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: grey hair but susan! then how will we tell cruella deville from you?!?!?!? wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Susan Enviado el: Viernes, 24 de Noviembre de 2000 12:04 p.m. Para: Joni Discussion Asunto: Re: grey hair I think I'll do a little coloring, but leave that streak in the front, cause it still draws a little attention and I need all the help I can get! Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:38:00 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 13 addendum Now HERE's a topic for discussion! I found this on a Frank Zappa webpage today. Anyone know anything about this? Les - -------------------------------------- Joni Mitchell sat in with The Mothers, on November 13th, 1970, at the Fillmore East in NYC. "Joni Mitchell sat in with us last night during the second show and we improvised a thing that was really good. And we ended it with her singing 'Duke of Earl'. Really far out, she came on stage: 'Now OK and we're going to improvise this thing...' and we did a few chords for her and she started reciting this poem which began: 'Penelope wants to fuck the sea..." And the audience did a double take 'Yuuunk!'... a little hush falls over the Fillmore... JONI MITCHELL?" - -Zappa, 1970 (Source: Miles) From: DennisMahony (dmahony@prodigy.net): Yeh, I was at that show when Mitchell improvised a tune about a girl who wanted to fuck the sea. While she tried to be ethereal and haunting, Zappa made the band alternate 2 monster chords a tritone apart at an ominous largo tempo. Mitchell looked a little thrown by this and glanced over at Zappa, as if she wasn't expecting him to lob her a curve ball. From: Harald Wiester (Harald.Wiester@uni-konstanz.de): I4ve read somewhere that she showed up at least once at Zappa4s place in the late 604s. Seems a very strange connection to me (was she wearing feathers and bells?) From: David Wilcher (wilcher@ibm.net): Even stranger was that she dated Motorhead, which is why she ended up at Frank's place... From: Charles Ulrich (chulrich@interchange.ubc.ca): 1. Joni Mitchell was Motorhead's "strange new girlfriend", circa 1967. 2. She sat in with the Mothers at the Fillmore East on 11/13/70. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 15:08:30 -0700 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 25 1976: Joni joins The Band's "Last Waltz" at the Winterland Ballroom in San Francisco. She sings backup to Neil Young on "Helpless" and with The Band on "Acadian Driftwood", performs "Coyote", "Shadows And Light", and "Furry Sings The Blues", and joins Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, Neil Diamond, Dr John, and others for the grand finale "I Shall Be Released." Photos and more information: http://www.jonimitchell.com/LastWaltz.html 1982: Rolling Stone reviews "Wild Things Run Fast", saying that it "might have been called COURT AND HEJIRA. It is almost a great record, on a par with FOR THE ROSES and CLOUDS." Read it here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/821125rsx.cfm 1982: Rolling Stone publishes an article today in which Joni is quoted as saying "...when we started in this business, we were the ones who said you can't trust people over thirty. It was inevitable that we would eat a lot of what we said, because you have to turn thirty unless you wanna James Dean out. Now I'm finally hearing some good things about middle age. We need that. If all the war babies turn forty and get depressed at the same time, the world will not be pleasant." Read the rest at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/rs821125.htm 1994: Joni makes the cover of this week's LA Weekly. Joni is quoted "My music is not designed to grab instantly. It's designed to wear for a lifetime, to hold up like a fine cloth. If you're in the right place, these records are waiting to go off in your life, you know. But if you're in the wrong space, which, luck of the draw, for the last 20 years I seem to have had reviewers in the wrong space...and I've been trashed for too long. The final insult is to watch my imitators elevated while I'm still being trashed. So if I don't get my just dues soon, I'm going into hermitdom. Fuck you all. (Laughing.) I'm going to take up my brushes. I don't care." How can you not read the rest? http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/941125law.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 17:39:05 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - November 13 addendum > and we did a few chords for her and she > started reciting this poem which began: 'Penelope wants to fuck the > sea..." And the audience did a double take 'Yuuunk!'... a little hush > falls over the Fillmore... JONI MITCHELL?">> I'm thinking that the full lyric is in the "Ladies of the Canyon" book that Leslie Mixon has a copy of...Leslie was kind enough to let me thumb through her copy while we were going for coffee in Boston, and this phrase rings a bell...Leslie, could you check and see if that piece of poetry is indeed in that book? Bob NP: CSNY, "Marrakesh Express", live in Philly '00 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:36:13 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Tree Museum I have posted before - and I am sure you all remember !!!! :-) how my grandson Gage (who is 5) and I go across the street every week to watch the many month-long process of ripping out a perfectfully wonderful field (that we used to hike on) and putting in another mega-store with mega-asphalt parking lot -- and we always sing, of course, Big Yellow Taxi. Today we noted that another portion of this field was ripped up to put up the new gas station, where there used to be a cope of trees. And when we got to the line, "they took all the trees and put them in a tree museum" he didn't laugh as he usually does, since he has thought of that as the funniest thing he could imagine. Instead he got silent and stopped singing while I continued, "and they charged all the people a dollar and a half just to see him" and he interrupted me and said, "Poppy, what a rip-off. The trees belong to everyone. Where can we go see trees now?" So we drove a while to find some trees to look at. (the Rev) Vince, a most proud Poppy of the world's best grandson who considers this a Joini content post since it reveals a new generation of thoughtful Joni fans interacting with her lyrics... ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #445 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?