From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #440 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, November 20 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 440 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's Loves and Music ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni's Loves and Music [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Joni's Loves and Music ["Wally Kairuz" ] Videos ["Sue Cameron" ] The Lesbian and Gay Review [James Leahy ] Re: Joni's Loves and Music (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Joni's Loves and Music [Hejira924@aol.com] Re: Joni's Loves and Music (md) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Joni's Love Affairs and Her Music [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni's Loves and Music [Emily Kirk Gray ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 00:48:59 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Loves and Music Paul wrote: > I think the objection, at least mine, is the implication that >the other connections between musicians is musical, while >hers were sexual, or that she used her feminine wiles to get >where she was, rather than her artistic talent. I wish I had a scanner so I could put it up somewhere, but I'm always the last to get higher-tech ;-) Actually there are several other people who are linked romantically, so she is not being singled out in the chart, other than to have a big kiss surrounding her name. There are several heart symbols, some broken (to indicate the obvious) and some intact to indicate the relationships that endured. Rita Coolidge is linked to more broken hearts than Joni, for example. (And one of Rita's broken hearts also link to Graham Nash). However, you are correct in that most of the lines connect to musical alliances, and she is not credited with any musical alliances - only romantic. Although at that time in 1972 (before Tom Scott, before Mingus, etc.), she had not really aligned musically with other groups - she was more of the lone artist at that point. To answer Scott's question, the "Old Lady of The Year" caption came from a different short blurb in RS. I recall Steve Dulson posted that one and it was from another year. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:02:36 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Loves and Music << To answer Scott's question, the "Old Lady of The Year" caption came from a different short blurb in RS. I recall Steve Dulson posted that one and it was from another year. >> Plus, RS called her the "Quenn of El-Lay" in another piece, right? That was probably the last straw for her. Bob NP: "Cotton Avenue", Milan, Italy '83 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:31:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni's Loves and Music i think that that was the village voice guy in his *********review********* of hejira. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de SCJoniGuy@aol.com Enviado el: Domingo, 19 de Noviembre de 2000 10:03 a.m. Para: KakkiB@worldnet.att.net; IVPAUL42@aol.com; joni@smoe.org CC: sp@olympus.net Asunto: Re: Joni's Loves and Music << To answer Scott's question, the "Old Lady of The Year" caption came from a different short blurb in RS. I recall Steve Dulson posted that one and it was from another year. >> Plus, RS called her the "Quenn of El-Lay" in another piece, right? That was probably the last straw for her. Bob NP: "Cotton Avenue", Milan, Italy '83 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:39:03 -0500 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Videos Ashara, The tapes are wonderful. Those of you sitting on the fence, jump off! Tape #1 I really enjoyed the Mendel tour, felt like I was right there. This is a great gift that you shared with the list, Ashara. I know that it's not the same viewing the moment through the lens, that makes this even more special, knowing that you willingly sacrificed your birds eye view to let us in. The trip with the woman in Maidstone was like something out of Letterman. Hi, you have a tribute to Joni here? Great! While your at it would you mind driving us around town so we can film more? :-D Tape #2 Much Music was intense. They had several shots of audience memebers shedding quiet tears of joy. Special guests in the crowd make it fun too. The best moment for me was hearing 'Cherokee Louise' during which my eyes might have been perspiring... Sue Cameron np: big snow plows going by as we got a foot of lake effect last night. npimh: sound of phone ringing tomorrow morning saying we have a snowday! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:28:28 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: The Lesbian and Gay Review The Lesbian and Gay Review (or was it Gay and Lesbian? It used to be called the Harvard Review) has a review of Joni's May concert in Connecticut, told from the point of view of a 'fallen' Joni fan and his companion, a true devotee. It's a nice read, with a few thoughts on Joni's diva-ness. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:16:09 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Loves and Music (md) In a message dated 11/18/00 11:40:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: << I think the objection, at least mine, is the implication that the other connections between musicians is musical, while hers were sexual, or that she used her feminine wiles to get where she was, rather than her artistic talent. Paul I >> At least we know where Paul IV's head is at. It certainly wasnt where mine was when I wrote it as the background piece clearly stated. But I guess you see what you want. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:16:22 EST From: Hejira924@aol.com Subject: Joni's Loves and Music Thanks for those describing that infamous Rolling Stone chart linking Joni to her already known lovers. I thought I've been missing out on something all these years, not being able to locate a copy of that RS article. But if they didn't mention Leonard Cohen, they really weren't the reliable source they thought they were. I think it's common knowledge that at least two of Joni's songs - "Rainy Night House" and "The Priest" - were about him. Would anybody else like to confirm or deny that? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:30:45 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Loves and Music (md) In a message dated 11/19/00 11:28:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 11/18/00 11:40:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: << I think the objection, at least mine, is the implication that the other connections between musicians is musical, while hers were sexual, or that she used her feminine wiles to get where she was, rather than her artistic talent. Paul I >> At least we know where Paul IV's head is at. It certainly wasnt where mine was when I wrote it as the background piece clearly stated. But I guess you see what you want. marcel deste >> I was talking about the Rolling Stone article, not your silly little list. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:02:12 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Joni's Love Affairs and Her Music It was a long time before joining this list and stumbling upon Wally's site that I had little insight into Joni's lyrics. Sometimes I guess I would relate them to my own life's experiences. She captured me, I listened and my heart opened up to her. I gained a great deal of insight/knowledge here about this singer/songwriter's personal experiences (her joys and her sorrows) For instance I never knew that "Little Green" was written about her baby girl that she gave up for adoption or her fight with polio at the age of nine. I think that most of Joni's songs are about her own life. I've been reading Hinton's book. I'm not nearly finished, however so far I don't think it's too bad. In there she is quoted by Zigzag as saying "my songs are very honest, they are extremely personal. Sometimes they really hurt to sing." I think we'll all agree, Joni stands there naked before us. According to Hinton she told Phil Sutclife, her love affairs centred around the musical community and that they usually began as friendships. If Joni's musical career advanced as a result of these professional or personal involvement, I don't see anything wrong with that! Joni was destined for greatness no matter what. - -Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:12:57 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Re: Joni's Loves and Music jim wrote: " I prefer to leave it at that- as another useful tool to facilitate pondering her catalog, her prolific nature, and her many musical collaborators. (I wouldn't have the list in my hands when interviewing her though! It might be a little explosive for that.)" hi jim! i liked this; it made sense to me, as did the rest of your intelligent post. marcel and i have also been writing each other off-list about this -- he offered a number of interesting contexts that one could "read" this list in, such as, as you pointed out, the way various other music industry "types" might have influenced joni's music. fine. interesting. and also: something i hadn't thought of before. i'm thinking that maybe my instant, immediate reaction stems more from a personal nature...i guess i really would object to someone laying out my own life or work according (only) to whom i was with at the time. that would make me really sad. but it wouldn't be "wrong" -- just icky, and not something i personally would value. however, i don't want to dismiss ANY "tool" we might use to understand joni's music. so... anyway, i'm still figuring out how i think about this. (i certainly know how i FEEL about it.) hope everyone had good weekends! - --emily ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #440 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?