From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #438 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 18 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 438 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Covers of Covers ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Covers of Covers ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: "Lesson in survival" [mags ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #437 [Mauski4648@aol.com] re: what I read [Anne Sandstrom ] reults ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Jonis Loves and Jonis Music [MDESTE1@aol.com] my favorite books [db.ireland@usa.net] Joni's Loves and Music [Emily Kirk Gray ] A Case Of Joni, Promo Copies? [Twenty2Foreplay@aol.com] Re: Joni's Loves and Music [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Joni's Loves and Music [Emily Kirk Gray ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 07:21:23 -0500 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Covers of Covers > I agree with James. If the songs Joni sang will be included in the Covers Project of Bob, then we might as well include other jazz singers' version of STORMY WEATHER, I WISH I WERE IN LOVE AGAIN, etc. and other standards from her BSN album. > > Joseph Wow. Good point, Joseph. I hadn't even considered the BSN album when I posted. What a can of worms we'd open up if we convinced Bob to include those! We'd end up with a 251-CD set! :) "Boston Jim" NP: Terence Blanchard, The Heart Speaks (w/ Ivan Lins) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 07:34:54 -0500 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Covers of Covers > Wow. Good point, Joseph. I hadn't even considered the BSN album when I > posted. What a can of worms we'd open up if we convinced Bob to include > those! We'd end up with a 251-CD set! :) > > "Boston Jim" > And then there's "Corinna, Corinna" to consider. We could probably find 15 or 20 of those. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:22:22 -0600 From: mags Subject: Re: "Lesson in survival" cassy wrote: > < accept us as we come, they try to help us even when we are "heavy company.">> > What a beautiful post Cassy. Thank you for sharing tender moments. This is one of the many things I love about this list: Acceptance. take good care, Mags > > > > > - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:55:13 EST From: Mauski4648@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #437 In einer Nachricht vom 17.11.2000 8:14:31 Uhr schreibt les@jmdl.com: << live Joni recordings. >> Hi, Emily, I have a live cd Mitchell/Taylor, recorded in the US: Songs about the midway, Gallery, Rainy Day Man, Steam Roller, Priest, Carey, Carolina on My Mind, California, For Free, The Circle Game, You can close your Eyes..guess it is an unauthorized version, found it in a music store..but it is nice..shall I copy a mc and send it to you, from Germany to England..let me know.Karin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:02:19 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: re: what I read Maybe because I read technical stuff for a living, I don't actually read as much as one might think. But I do like Annie Dillard, Gretel Ehrlich and (not just for his book "The Perfect Storm" but for all the articles he's written) Sebastian Junger. All 3 share Joni's gift for being masters of language, not just story, although they're top notch as weaving stories as well. btw, I don't tend to read fiction. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:43:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: reults Apparently, Florida's Judge Lewis has sustained the decision of the Secretary of State to enforce Florida's statutory cut-off for the reporting of election returns. Judge Lewis is, of course, a Democrat. So much for all the lunatic conspiracy theories being vented. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:28:58 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Jonis Loves and Jonis Music As someone who has written a whole bunch of songs I can tell you without a doubt that the inspiration can happen in so many ways its amazing. people have written about the "muse" but that has only rarely been my experience. Mostly they come from pieces of your life that affect you in some unique (or happy or bad or sad) way. Sometimes I have been just driving around and listening to the news or a commericial or someone walking past my car at a red light. I divide songwriters into categories. Some write from the instrument out some from the experience in. Piano songs are different than guitar songs and are different from synth songs. Some write the melody and try to make up words some write the words and try to find the best melody to fit the mood of the theme. However most songs are about relationships and so there is no doubt that the relationship that a writer is going through (or crashed into the deepest part of hell over) is a huge influence. Not that all songs are about "I love you". One time a girl friend sent me (this was before I had a political affiliation of course) seven pages with only the line "I love you" over the entire seven pages front and back causing my mother to wonder how sane she was so I wrote a song about that but didnt mention her. So you never know the exact connection between the relationships and the song but many times little nuances and clues are there. Now in the case of our dear Joni when I hear songs like "Backstreets" the line about the hair in the bathtub drain I think this clearly is Jonis way of publicizing the flaw in her current boyfriend-husband. In "I just want to see you Again" the line about the suspenders made me think it was about james taylor because of the album cover of him in big suspenders. But maybe not. I have found many such direct references. maybe you have as well. But i thought it would be interesting to juxtapose her albums with her relationships just to see what the songs on the albums would look like. Having said that there is a caveat. Songs sometimes take years to nurture and evolve until you have the final final. A melody that has words about one subject (but never recorded) may have those words replaced just because the writer thinks that some new words fit the melody better. Sometimes the words never seem right so they are kept for months or years until the proper melody is found and that could delay the words until well past the demise of the relationship. So I would caution that there may be no connection between the current relationship and the song appearing on an album. On the other hand there could be. This is a big mystery. Only the Joan Knows. (eeerie music). On the other hand taking a break from the Coup D'Etat in progess I thought it would be fun to publish my findings. Special thanks to jaime Zubari and Steve "The Dulcitola" Dulson for their contributions many months ago. I did my best to research the dates but if I made a mistake not only am I sorry but Ill cast my next vote for mayor of San Francisco for a Democrat next time. marcel deste 1965 Couldnt make out my handwriting as to the person. 1966 Chuck Mitchell 1967 Leonard Cohen 1967 David Crosby 1968 Mitchell Reed Song to a Seagull 1969 Graham Nash Clouds 1970 James Taylor Ladies of the Canyon 1971 David Blue Blue 1972 Jackson Browne For the Roses 1974 John Guerin Court and Spark Don Alias Miles of Aisles 1975 " Hissing 1976 " Hejira 1977 unknown Don Juans reckless Daughter 1979 Her "art" Mingus 1980 unknown Shadows and Light 1982 Larry Klein Wild Things Run fast 1985 Larry Klein Dog Eat Dog 1988 Larry Klein Chalkmark in a Rainstorm 1991 Larry Klein Night Ride Home 1994 Larry Klein Turbulent Indigo 1998 Don Freed Taming the Tiger ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 00 10:45:46 MST From: db.ireland@usa.net Subject: my favorite books Well since everyone is sharing here: The Catcher in the Rye - J.D. Salinger Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance - Pursig The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test - TOm Wolfe The Immense Journey - John Einsley Brave New World - Aldous Huxley Door of Perseption - Aldous Huxley The Celestine Prophecy - James Redfield The Joy Luck Club - Amy Tan Cold Sassy Tree - Olive Ann Burns The Great Gatsby - F. Scott Fitzgerald As You Like It - Shakespeare The Bluest Eye - Toni Morrison She's Come Undone - Wally Lamb Go ask Alice - Anonymous A Wrinkle in Time - Madeleine L'Engle On the ROad - Jack Kerouac Anyone have some great books I could add to this list? DB ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:43:21 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Joni's Loves and Music hi marcel. i wanted to comment on that long list of joni's lovers/boyfriends/companions that you posted. although you wrote that you "have to caution" that there may be no link between each person and the work of art listed next to HIM, i'm still troubled despite this "cautioning." i'm sort of dismayed by the way this list of men looks, by what it assumes and presumes to do. is it really meaningful to reduce the albums to which man she was with at the time? what does this kind of simplified biographical shorthand reveal? i'm not trying to be disingenuous...i'm confused. what's interesting to you about viewing her work in this way? my own understanding of this is that i see it as reductive, and stereotypical. as if we must view joni as a woman with a man before we can begin to understand her as an artist. - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:57:07 EST From: Twenty2Foreplay@aol.com Subject: A Case Of Joni, Promo Copies? Does anyone have a promo copy of "A Case Of Joni" Or know when the promo's will be released? Thanks fans! Matthew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:43:04 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Loves and Music In a message dated 11/17/00 2:54:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, ekg200@is5.nyu.edu writes: << my own understanding of this is that i see it as reductive, and stereotypical. as if we must view joni as a woman with a man before we can begin to understand her as an artist. >> I didn't read Marcel's post that prompted this, but I am thinking that it doesn't have to be reductive and stereotypical to view Joni as a woman with a man before we can being to understand her as an artist. What is an artist but a person? What makes up a person but their likes and dislikes and their relationships with the world around them? Their relationships with men, women and children. Their joys and their fears. I think that there are many ways to "understand" art and an artist. Drilling down to the more personal level is just one way. For myself, I'm always fascinated by the very personal: her drug addiction, her relationship with men, her relationship with her parents - for me, it adds another layer to this person who created such treasures and puts another spin on her work. Is it necessary? Not really. Can it be pondered respectfully? I believe so. Just my point of view. MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:24:03 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Re: Joni's Loves and Music MG wrote, "What is an artist but a person? What makes up a person but their likes and dislikes and their relationships with the world around them? Their relationships with men, women and children. Their joys and their fears. " and i agree, wholeheartedly. in fact, it was not even marcel's post that i objected to, but rather: the list he included at the end. this list, in my mind, boils down all of the joys and subtleties and everyday occurences you write about, MG, into a simple equation: which man joni was with when she wrote which album. in fact, i'm not sure i'm even "objecting" now that i think about it. but, something about the way that list looked struck me as sad. and, politically: icky. i'm not sure i have entirely logical reasons for reacting this way. i, too, love reading biographies. i don't argue that joni's LIFE isn't wholly wrapped up in her music (although how can i be certain, after all: i don't know her.) i can be somewhat certain, though, that neither her life or her work can be reduced to a list of men she was dating. again, i stress that this is my own opinion. - --emily ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #438 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?