From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #434 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, November 14 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 434 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Clap-Trap Academic studies [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Clap-Trap Academic studies [Phyliss Ward ] =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20onlyJMDL=20Digest=20V2000=20#433?= [Mauski4648@aol.com] Re: Clap-Trap Academic studies [JRMCo1@aol.com] egreetings ["william" ] re:signing off ["Takats, Angela" ] Today in Joni History - November 12 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - November 13 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Today in Joni History - November 13 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: WHAT DISCS TO BUY NEXT ["John Stilwell" ] Mini Jonifest, anyone? [AsharaJM@aol.com] Actual Joni Content [Vince Lavieri ] enough about politics [db.ireland@usa.net] Re: WHAT DISCS TO BUY NEXT ["Mark or Travis" ] re: Actual Joni Content [Gerald McNamara ] liver in a blender [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: liver in a blender ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: liver in a blender [IVPAUL42@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:54:59 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Clap-Trap Academic studies Notice the premise is that the ballot structure iscausing results that are "unique". It isnt. Notice the people involved. (Center for Women in Politics) Gee wonder how she feels about the election? This is absolute junk social science. We will see the loyal teachers unions undoubtedly come up with a ton of biased faulty "studies" before this thing runs its course. It discounts entirely that there are anomolistic results in virtually every election. Buchannan had 6000 votes in the same county in 1996. It also takes for granted that the entiree matter wasnt created by political operatives. Just like in Wisconsin. And the arrogant "Oh look what we found we better go "public". Lets not check firts with other professional political observers first or even look at another state or country. lets hurry over the the Clinton News Network and get this out right away. Nice lefty logic. I wonder if the "professor" fro the University of Wisconsin is on the trail of those ballot fraud operators on campus? Background According to several news accounts, many voters in Palm Beach, Florida, have claimed that they were confused by the ballot structure and may have inadvertently voted for Buchanan when in fact they intended to vote for Gore. The event prompted a discussion among several academic friends and colleagues about whether the results could be statistically detected, since Palm Beach county alone had the unusual ballot structure. One of the participants in the discussion, Chris Fastnow, a political scientist and director of the Center for Women in Politics in Pennsylvania at Chatham College (and who is also my wife) found the Florida county-level returns for the election on the internet at the CBS News website and passed them on to me. We reasoned that if enough voters in Palm Beach county were confused and mistakenly voted for Buchanan, it should be statistically detectable by examining the vote for Buchanan relative to the votes for Gore and Bush for all of the counties in Florida. As a first cut, I (Adams) did three simple plots: one of Buchanan's votes vs. Bush's votes, one of Buchanan's votes vs. Gore's votes, and one of Buchanan's votes vs. the total votes cast in a county (see graphs below). For all of the plots, all of the counties except one (Palm Beach) follow a pretty regular pattern. The more votes Bush got in a county, the more votes Buchanan got, and the number of votes that Buchanan got increases with Bush's vote by a fairly predictable amount -- except for Palm Beach, which has many, many more votes for Buchanan than would be reasonably expected, given all of the other Florida counties. Similar results hold for the plots for Buchanan's votes versus Gore's votes or versus the total votes cast. Again, Palm Beach sticks out as an outlier from all of the other Florida counties. The results seem to suggest that indeed something unique happened in Palm Beach county. Just by visual inspection of the charts below, it appears that instead of the 3407 votes Buchanan received in Palm Beach county, he probably would have received under 1000 votes, if the other counties in Florida are any guide. Within seconds of my seeing the results, a colleague of mine wandered into my office, saw the results himself, and urged me to make the results "public" as soon as possible. I hastily drafted an email to my dept., pointing them to a graph of Buchanan's vs. Bush's votes, which I had put up on my internet server. The email spread across the university and onward, which prompted a string of phone calls, emails, and so forth. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:07:50 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Clap-Trap Academic studies I don't expect anyone to be perfect but can we PLEASE TRY to remember the NJC tag for these political discussions. MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > Notice the premise is that the ballot structure iscausing results that are > "unique"..... - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:23:20 EST From: Mauski4648@aol.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20onlyJMDL=20Digest=20V2000=20#433?= In einer Nachricht vom 13.11.2000 8:19:29 Uhr schreibt les@jmdl.com: << And for all her fluff about women's lib, she is the model of the type of woman they aspire to. Lots of reasons with this girl for libs to glam on to her. >> Womens' Lib and European Women's liberation groups did a lot of good work to prepare new laws and new settings..but there have always been women who lived leadership without being politically involved. They did it just by creating there own lifestyle. Joan Mitchell surely is one of those leading figures in my lifetime. She has shown me how to fight for female acceptance and freedom and now she is teaching me how to grow older without becoming an 'old woman' but stay young in mind and at heart, dressing in a very comfartable and chique way, never ending to explore a new universe in art, music and literature..keep on rocking girl. Karin from Germany ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:22:23 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Clap-Trap Academic studies <> This from the same person who posted an article from "newsmax.com," the offical and utterly biased Internet portal of the American Far Right, to support the specious notion that Gore and the Democratic Party are trying to "steal" this election? Cut me a break. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:07:54 +0700 From: "william" Subject: egreetings Forgive me if this is old hat but I've just found and there are three Joni offerings. Both Sides Now ( the latest version ), Help me and You turn me on ........ The perfect way to send wishes ( I sound like an advert ). Most pleased to have come across this site. Happy trails. Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 04:31:44 +1100 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: re:signing off Thanks to everyone who emailed me with 'good lucks' and 'good byes'....it was so lovely to hear from you all before I go :-) I will be in touch. Ange XXX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:52:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 12 1994: Turbulent Indigo debuts at its #47 peak on the US charts. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 00:55:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 13 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performs in New Haven, Connecticut at the Veterans Memorial Coliseum. She performs the song "Jungle Line" from her just released new album "The Hissing of Summer Lawns". 1980: Today, Rolling Stone publishes a review of the album "Shadows and Light." It reads: "The extraordinary power of Shadows and Light, one of a handful of great live rock albums, took me by surprise, since Joni Mitchell is primarily a studio artist, not a concert performer... This is the finest ensemble that Mitchell has worked with, and her exhilarating vocals reflect her complete confidence in these musicians." Read the full article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/801113rs.cfm 1997: Today's Rolling Stone publishes a story called "Women of Rock: The Seventies" as says of Joni: "Her difficulties as a lover, she decided, involved the same character trait that prodded her art past the blander boundaries of pop: 'I'm a confronter by nature,' she concluded. 'I have a tendency to confront my relationships much more often than people would care. I'm always being told that I talk too much.'" Read it all at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/971113rs.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:50:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - November 13 <<"The extraordinary power of Shadows and Light, one of a handful of great live rock albums, took me by surprise, >> First, thanks Les for picking the "Today in Joni History" back up. I enjoy seeing them, and I often go scan the articles after you reference them. And I remember being surprised by S&L as well! When it came out, I had kind of dropped Joni, since I never got Mingus due to the critical battering it took. Plus, at the time I was getting heavily into New Wave/Punk and away from major-label artists. But when I heard S&L (the radio played it in its entirety in the wee hours of a Sunday morning), I was blown away! Couldn't believe she featured the Persuasions, loved the "electric" take on Woodstock, and Michael Brecker was awesome. The Mingus tunes came to life...indeed, I think it was the first time I'd heard them, and it would still be many years before I picked it up. Anyway, this was a real culmination of some state-of-the-art musicians playing some of the best songs that have ever been written! I just wish they had included Jaco's solo! Hearing THAT for the first time was a whole 'nother experience... Bob NP: Croz, alternate take of "Laughing" from Perro tapes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:08:28 GMT From: "John Stilwell" Subject: Re: WHAT DISCS TO BUY NEXT Thanks to everyone for the huge response! I will try to post some feedback in a few months once it all sinks in. I will be buying quite a few of your suggestions. Looking especially forward to HEijra! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:47:53 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Mini Jonifest, anyone? Sal, my eldest son Aaron, and I will be in NYC for Thanksgiving, and have Saturday night free, probably going to check out some jazz or something in town. Anyone in the vicinity interested in meeting for dinner/music on November 25th? Let me know! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:03:36 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Actual Joni Content I am reposting this because I am sure that everyone skipped it thinking it was political but it isn't; Joni content comes in the question about High Fidelity's script: Vince Lavieri wrote: > Wally Kairuz wrote: > > > i've just discovered that i have not one but TWO katrina and the waves cd's: > > self-titled and break of hearts. i'm the process of playing ''walking on > > sunshine'' at an astoundingly loud volume. > > I just say High Fidelity last night and of course Walking on Sunshine at an > exceedingly loud volume is a feature of that movie... > > I am proud that the John Cusack character's second girlfriend (#2 on his list) > went to, according to the movie, my high school! The scenes of them outside > the high schiool were filmed at Lane Tech, my alma mater! It was a rush to see > the view of Lane from exactly the same door that I used to wait for the bell to > ring, too. Of course, then it was still all male and we weren't allowed on the > lawn... but then Cusack grew up in Chicago area and I don't think he went to > Lane but someone on the movie crew must have to get the shot of that school > from the angle. > > Question: the two kids (Jason and Vince?) steal the music from the record > store, Cusack chases them, and then mocks what they steal by saying what, > exactly? I couldn't catch the line; it was something like, and this is a loose > paraphrase,"what are you doing, mainlining Joni Mitchell now?" What was the > line from the movie and what did it mean? Anyone know? > > (I am sure this was covered before but I forget...) > > (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 00 16:53:11 MST From: db.ireland@usa.net Subject: enough about politics Hey everybody... Just a side note during all this hoopla....I have been noticing some great movies on the screen in the past year. ANd you can add "Charlie's Angels" to that list. I thought it was going to be stupid but it was really fun and an empowering movie for girls.... Another side note...this year has been explosive and intense in several ways....New years 2000, the Olympics, The Subway Series, and now this election....it's pretty nuts...don't ya think? Well...I'm interested to know what JOni thinks of the whole thing.....and just a general question: How do famous people cast their votes? Curiosly yours...DB ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:07:16 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: WHAT DISCS TO BUY NEXT > Thanks to everyone for the huge response! I will try to post some feedback > in a few months once it all sinks in. I will be buying quite a few of your > suggestions. Looking especially forward to HEijra! Ok, everybody always gets carried away with 'Hejira' thang here. It's great but don't forget about 'Court & Spark' and 'Night Ride Home'. Both wonderful & very listenable records. And so is 'Taming the Tiger'! (dammit!) Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 4:48:15 UTC From: Gerald McNamara Subject: re: Actual Joni Content Vince re-wrote: > Question: the two kids (Jason and Vince?) steal the music from the record > store, Cusack chases them, and then mocks what they steal by saying what, > exactly? I couldn't catch the line; it was something like, and this is a loose > paraphrase,"what are you doing, mainlining Joni Mitchell now?" What was the > line from the movie and what did it mean? Anyone know? > > (I am sure this was covered before but I forget...) > The kids looked like skate-board punks. I can't remember what the records where that they stole, but they weren't what you'd expect skate-punks to be interested in, more like AOR or 'folk music'. I think the Cusack character said, "What? Are you slamming to Joni Mitchell now ??". The image I conjured up was of a group of young people slam-dancing while LOTC played on the stereo. -Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:23:35 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: liver in a blender David Letterman just had a very funny segment on his show with some middle school-aged kids demonstrating their science experiments. An 8th grade girl from Illinois was first and her experiment involved something with liver and hydrogen peroxide and a blender. (Don't ask me what she was doing, I couldn't watch.) Anyway, Letterman said, "Liver in a blender? Isn't that an old Joni Mitchell song?" Most of the laughter seemed to come from the band area, and then Dave said something like, "Well, the band likes that one." --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:41:35 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: liver in a blender > David Letterman just had a very funny segment on his show with some middle > school-aged kids demonstrating their science experiments. An 8th grade girl > from Illinois was first and her experiment involved something with liver and > hydrogen peroxide and a blender. (Don't ask me what she was doing, I couldn't > watch.) Anyway, Letterman said, "Liver in a blender? Isn't that an old Joni > Mitchell song?" Most of the laughter seemed to come from the band area, and > then Dave said something like, "Well, the band likes that one." > > --Bob Omigod, just thinking about Letterman saying this is making me laugh! Thanks for sharing this, Bob! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 02:03:03 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: liver in a blender In a message dated 11/14/00 12:58:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << Anyway, Letterman said, "Liver in a blender? Isn't that an old Joni > Mitchell song?" Most of the laughter seemed to come from the band area, and > then Dave said something like, "Well, the band likes that one." > > --Bob Omigod, just thinking about Letterman saying this is making me laugh! Thanks for sharing this, Bob! Mark in Seattle >> OK, then you can tell me, what is funny about it? I don't get it. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #434 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?