From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #431 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 11 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 431 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- WHAT DISCS TO BUY NEXT ["John Stilwell" ] Re: WHAT DISCS TO BUY NEXT [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: WHAT DISCS TO BUY NEXT [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: WHAT DISCS TO BUY NEXT [Don Rowe ] Joni Free tape request [Rusty10113@aol.com] Re: Rock Stars and Requests(sjc) Long ["P. Henry" ] George W. ["Blair Fraipont" ] RE:WHAT DISCS TO BUY NEXT ["Garret" ] Past Close Elections [MDESTE1@aol.com] Final re-count totals [MDESTE1@aol.com] Today in Joni History - November 10 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Craziness, the Election [davidpaulmarine@webtv.net (David Marine)] Re: Craziness, The election [Richard Goldman ] Re: WHAT DISCS TO BUY NEXT [Steven Barton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:46:20 GMT From: "John Stilwell" Subject: WHAT DISCS TO BUY NEXT Greetings all: What Joni discs do you experts suggest next. After Blue (which is a masterpiece) and Hits (I love) What comes next? I'm looking to pick up two or three more! Thanks, John _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:08:12 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: WHAT DISCS TO BUY NEXT <> This is an incredibly tough question!!! TWO or THREE?? You gotta get Hejira & HOSL, her masterworks, but you can't be without Court & Spark or For The Roses...Ladies of the Canyon has all those hits on it, Song To A Seagull is the most amazing debut, and all the great 90's stuff is still out there too! Turbulent Indigo, Night Ride Home, TTT...and to think of the ones I haven't even mentioned! Damn! Does Joni have the most amazing discography or what!! Bob NP: SRV, "Riviera Paradise" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:44:27 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: WHAT DISCS TO BUY NEXT Well, there's For the Roses, Court and Spark, Miles of Aisles (Live) Hissing of Summer Lawns and Don Juan's Reckless Daughter if you want to go forward. Some of my favorites are Hejira, Shadows and Light(Live) and Night Ride Home. Gosh there are just so many to choose from. You're probably better off to buy them from CDNow.com. If you go there directly from the Jonimitchell.com, the homepage will get credit for your purchases. Just click on Shop on the left side of the index. Thanks, Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:36:32 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: WHAT DISCS TO BUY NEXT Hejira (CD) ... Hejira (cassette) ... then Hejira (LP) ... then Hissing of Summer Lawns ;-) Don Rowe - --- John Stilwell wrote: > Greetings all: What Joni discs do you experts > suggest next. After Blue > (which is a masterpiece) and Hits (I love) What > comes next? I'm looking to > pick up two or three more! > > Thanks, John > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > ===== My debut CD "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:38:40 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Joni Free tape request Hi Everyone.. I heard that a VCR tape of some Joni interviews/performances are available..I would also love to get a tape of her videos, specifically Two Grey Rooms... any suggestions where I can get a copy or buy one? Help! Thanks, I'm new to the list but it's great to share the love.. :) Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:13:44 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Rock Stars and Requests(sjc) Long Chris, excellent post! especially the inside hard data on Joni! thanks to all: pls forgive my late posting on this. my digests are piled up a bit again, but I just have to chime in on this one. (so the old fart leans back in his rocking chair and begins...) of course, as always, my post refers to the very early, pre-recording artist Joni when you could get in the door to see her play for $1.25 and there was no expense account and, accordingly, few 'requests'... but for the sake of history: in my role as booking manager and defacto stage manager, *most* of the time I spent with Joni was literally 'backstage' in the small dressing room or the tiny cubby Brian and I shared as an office, and there were really only two concerns she had which she expected me to handle: it actually boils down to one request but primarily regarding two distinct groups, both of which I've described before to this list: first, the 'cactus tree' gang, as I have come to call them... a small but consistent/persistent bunch of guys, 'groupies' if you will, who, apparently, followed Joni, venue to venue, as she toured the circuit and, believe me, were quite avid in their desire for an audience with her as well as creative in coming up with schemes to get past me. secondly, there were the recording company agents who would show up wanting to convince her to sign a recording contract, also quite persistent. so this was Joni's 'request'... that I act as a buffer/shield and under no circumstances was I to allow any of these guys access to her. pretty straightforward... not really all that strange... only the circumstances were strange... or, rather, unique to Joni Mitchell. the mention of 'strange requests' also made me think of another little adventure of mine... it was in the early '70's when I was heading up a folk club at the local community college... Michigan's own Ted Nugent was coming to play a concert and some of us were asked to volunteer for stage security. I happened to be chosen as Ted's personal security and just what that entailed is kind of interesting. see, Mr. Nugent, as you are probably aware, is a rather headstrong fellow and, as a rock musician, this manifested in two major ways: first, of course, was his total abstinence from any use of drugs; very unusual in that day and time, and I can witness that it is true... in fact, I would guess that if any of his band members were using, they had to hide it and Lord help 'em if they showed up stoned before a show. the second thing had more to do with the music itself. unlike most rock musicians, Ted never used effects (a trait shared by only one other rocker that I know of, Rory Gallagher) he depended on two things for his sound, outside of his playing ability: full tilt volume from and, for feedback, proximity to his Fender stacks, and his fine, early '50's Gibson acoustic-electric guitars which he treated like they were made of glass... which was where I (and his 'strange request') came in... after sound-check and tuning, his trademark blond Gibson was kept in the case back in the dressing room. then, when it was time to mount the stage, I had to take it out of the case *with* him and walk *with* him, both of us holding the guitar, one hand on the body, one hand on the neck, all the way on to the stage... then I had to stand behind the PA speakers, a few feet away to his left, through the entire concert and then return to the dressing room cradling his guitar together all the way back in the same manner. well, there ya go... time for my geritol... ;o) pat NP: Journey To The Center Of The Mind - Amboy Dukes http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:14:49 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Rock Stars and Requests(sjc) Long Chris, excellent post! especially the inside hard data on Joni! thanks to all: pls forgive my late posting on this. my digests are piled up a bit again, but I just have to chime in on this one. (so the old fart leans back in his rocking chair and begins...) of course, as always, my post refers to the very early, pre-recording artist Joni when you could get in the door to see her play for $1.25 and there was no expense account and, accordingly, few 'requests'... but for the sake of history: in my role as booking manager and defacto stage manager, *most* of the time I spent with Joni was literally 'backstage' in the small dressing room or the tiny cubby Brian and I shared as an office, and there were really only two concerns she had which she expected me to handle: it actually boils down to one request but primarily regarding two distinct groups, both of which I've described before to this list: first, the 'cactus tree' gang, as I have come to call them... a small but consistent/persistent bunch of guys, 'groupies' if you will, who, apparently, followed Joni, venue to venue, as she toured the circuit and, believe me, were quite avid in their desire for an audience with her as well as creative in coming up with schemes to get past me. secondly, there were the recording company agents who would show up wanting to convince her to sign a recording contract, also quite persistent. so this was Joni's 'request'... that I act as a buffer/shield and under no circumstances was I to allow any of these guys access to her. pretty straightforward... not really all that strange... only the circumstances were strange... or, rather, unique to Joni Mitchell. the mention of 'strange requests' also made me think of another little adventure of mine... it was in the early '70's when I was heading up a folk club at the local community college... Michigan's own Ted Nugent was coming to play a concert and some of us were asked to volunteer for stage security. I happened to be chosen as Ted's personal security and just what that entailed is kind of interesting. see, Mr. Nugent, as you are probably aware, is a rather headstrong fellow and, as a rock musician, this manifested in two major ways: first, of course, was his total abstinence from any use of drugs; very unusual in that day and time, and I can witness that it is true... in fact, I would guess that if any of his band members were using, they had to hide it and Lord help 'em if they showed up stoned before a show. the second thing had more to do with the music itself. unlike most rock musicians, Ted never used effects (a trait shared by only one other rocker that I know of, Rory Gallagher) he depended on two things for his sound, outside of his playing ability: full tilt volume from and, for feedback, proximity to his Fender stacks, and his fine, early '50's Gibson acoustic-electric guitars which he treated like they were made of glass... which was where I (and his 'strange request') came in... after sound- check and tuning, his trademark blond Gibson was kept in the case back in the dressing room. then, when it was time to mount the stage, I had to take it out of the case *with* him and walk * with* him, both of us holding the guitar, one hand on the body, one hand on the neck, all the way on to the stage... then I had to stand behind the PA speakers, a few feet away to his left, through the entire concert and then return to the dressing room cradling his guitar together all the way back in the same manner. well, there ya go... time for my geritol... ;o) pat NP: Journey To The Center Of The Mind - Amboy Dukes http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:19:59 EST From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: RE: what to buy next Definitely get Turbulent INdigo next.. the music is so good on it.. and i love her voice, eventhough, it is comparatively different from that on Blue some 20 years earlier. blair _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:25:17 EST From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: George W. ALl i can say about George W. is that he is a spoiled daddie's boy. HE has stated that all he ever wanted to be when he grew up was a Baseball contractor.. hmmmm Unlike Bill Clinton who actually aspired to be the president of the united states. Also, i believe Mr. Bush will ignore any of the Gay rights that we try to bring forward. Yes, al Gore doesnt believe in Gay marriage, but He is on our side, unlike the beedy-eyed GW. blair _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 21:00:05 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: RE:WHAT DISCS TO BUY NEXT John, if you liked Blue you would probably really like the other albums from roughly the same time. i absolutely LOVE Ladies of teh Canyon. everyone must hear Rainy Night House!! it has woodstock, big yellow taxi, and circle game....so if you want to get an album with as few songs as possible from hits then this mightn't be the best choice. but it is a very very brilliant album -willy and real good for free are also Joni essentials, imho! For the Roses is a natural progression from LOTC and Blue. it is truly fantastic, my fave Joni at the moment. every track is a gem. then i'd recommend Turbulent Indigo just because it isn't like anything on Hits. it show s Joni in teh 90's and i think it's one of her strongest albums. or alternativly, buy misses. then listeneing to hits and misses decide which era joni you like and go for those albums:-) let us know what you decide. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:27:29 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Past Close Elections Close Presidential Elections of the Past .c The Associated Press Presidential races won by less than 5 percent of the popular vote. Victors are listed first. 1976 Jimmy Carter (D), 50.1 percent, 40,830,763 votes, 297 Electoral College votes. Gerald Ford (R), 48 percent, 39,147,793 votes, 240 electoral votes. Ronald Reagan, 1 electoral vote. 1968 Richard Nixon (R), 43.4 percent, 31,785,480 votes, 301 electoral. Hubert Humphrey (D), 42.7 percent, 31,275,166 votes, 191 electoral. George Wallace (American Independent), 13.5 percent, 9,906,473 votes, 46 electoral. 1960 John F. Kennedy (D), 49.7 percent, 34,226,731 votes, 303 electoral. Richard Nixon (R), 49.5 percent, 34,108,157 votes, 219 electoral. Harry Byrd (D), 0.2 percent, 116,248 votes, 15 (unpledged electors). 1948 Harry Truman (D), 49.6 percent, 24,179,345 votes, 303 electoral. Thomas Dewey (R), 45.1 percent, 21,991,291 votes, 189 electoral. J. Strom Thurmond (States' Rights Democrat), 2.4 percent, 1,176,125 votes, 39 electoral. Henry Wallace (Progressive), 2.4 percent, 1,157,326 votes, 0 electoral. 1916 Woodrow Wilson (D), 49.2 percent, 9,126,300 votes, 277 electoral. Charles E. Hughes (R), 46.1 percent, 8,546,789 votes, 254 electoral. 1896 William McKinley (R), 51 percent, 7,108,480 votes, 271 electoral. William J. Bryan (D, Populist), 46.7 percent, 6,511,495 votes, 176 electoral. 1892 Grover Cleveland (D), 46.1 percent, 5,551,883 votes, 277 electoral. Benjamin Harrison (R), 43 percent, 5,179,244 votes, 145 electoral. James B. Weaver (Populist), 8.5 percent, 1,024,280 votes, 22 electoral. 1888 Benjamin Harrison (R), 47.8 percent, 5,443,892 votes, 233 electoral. Grover Cleveland (D), 48.6 percent, 5,534,488 votes, 168 electoral. 1880 James A. Garfield (R), 48.3 percent, 4,446,158 votes, 214 electoral. Winfield S. Hancock (D), 48.3 percent, 4,444,260 votes, 155 electoral. 1876 Rutherford B. Hayes (R), 48 percent, 4,034,311 votes, 185 electoral. Samuel J. Tilden (D), 51 percent, 4,288,546 votes, 184 electoral. 1848 Zachary Taylor (Whig), 47.3 percent, 1,361,393 votes, 163 electoral. Lewis Cass (D), 42.5 percent, 1,223,460 votes, 127 electoral. Martin Van Buren (Free Soil), 10.1 percent, 291,501 votes, 0 electoral. 1844 James K. Polk (D), 49.5 percent, 1,339,494 votes, 170 electoral. Henry Clay (Whig), 48.1 percent, 1,300,004 votes, 105 electoral. 1824 No candidate won an electoral majority, so the task of choosing the president fell to the House. Thirteen state delegations chose John Q. Adams, seven chose Andrew Jackson and three chose William Crawford. Adams became the president though Jackson won the popular vote. Adams (Democratic-Republican), 30.9 percent, 113,122 votes, 84 electoral. Jackson (Democratic-Republican), 41.3 percent, 151,271 votes, 99 electoral. Crawford (Democratic-Republican), 11.2 percent, 40,856 votes, 41 electoral. Clay (Democratic-Republican), 13 percent, 47,531 votes, 37 electoral. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:29:04 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Final re-count totals Latest Florida Recount Numbers .c The Associated Press With votes in all 67 counties recounted, the tally collected by The Associated Press shows Republican George W. Bush leading Democrat Al Gore by 327 votes. Gore has a net gain of 2,520 votes from the election night count. Bush has a net gain of 1,063 votes. The last count of all 67 counties before the recount showed Bush leading Gore by 1,784 votes. Gore Bush County Gore Bush Change Change Alachua 47,365 34,124 65 62 Baker 2,392 5,610 Bay 18,850 38,637 Bradford 3,075 5,414 3 1 Brevard 97,318 115,185 Broward 386,561 177,323 43 44 Calhoun 2,155 2,873 Charlott 29,645 35,426 4 7 Citrus 25,525 29,766 24 22 Clay 14,632 41,736 2 -9 Collier 29,918 60,433 13 7 Columbia 7,047 10,964 Dade 328,764 289,492 62 36 De Soto 3,320 4,256 -2 Dixie 1,826 2,697 1 -1 Duval 107,864 152,098 184 16 Escambia 40,943 73,017 -15 -12 Flagler 13,897 12,613 6 5 Franklin 2,046 2,454 4 6 Gadsden 9,735 4,767 170 17 Gilchris 1,910 3,300 Glades 1,442 1,841 2 1 Gulf 2,397 3,550 8 4 Hamilton 1,722 2,146 4 -7 Hardee 2,339 3,765 -2 1 Hendry 3,240 4,747 1 4 Hernando 32,644 30,646 Highland 14,167 20,206 15 10 Hilsboro 169,557 180,760 28 47 Holmes 2,177 5,011 23 26 Indianrv 19,768 28,635 -1 8 Jackson 6,868 9,138 Jeffrson 3,041 2,478 3 -3 Lafayete 789 1,670 1 1 Lake 36,571 50,010 16 47 Lee 73,560 106,141 30 18 Leon 61,425 39,053 Levy 5,398 6,858 -5 -2 Liberty 1,017 1,317 6 1 Madison 3,014 3,038 3 Manatee 49,177 57,952 8 4 Marion 44,665 55,141 17 6 Martin 26,620 33,970 1 106 Monroe 16,483 16,059 Nassau 6,879 16,280 -73 -124 Okaloosa 16,948 52,093 24 50 Okeechob 4,588 5,057 -1 Orange 140,220 134,517 105 41 Osceola 28,181 26,212 4 -4 Palmbech 269,696 152,954 751 108 Pasco 69,564 68,582 14 1 Pinellas 200,629 184,823 417 -61 Polk 75,196 90,191 219 90 Putnam 12,102 13,447 11 8 Sarasota 72,853 83,100 -1 Seminole 59,174 75,677 286 384 Sntarosa 12,802 36,274 7 26 St Johns 19,502 39,546 20 49 St Lucie 41,559 34,705 Sumter 9,637 12,127 3 1 Suwannee 4,075 8,006 -9 -8 Taylor 2,649 4,056 2 6 Union 1,407 2,332 8 6 Volusia 97,063 82,214 Wakulla 3,838 4,512 3 1 Walton 5,642 12,182 5 6 Washngtn 2,798 4,994 2 11 TOTALS 2,909,871 2,910,198 2,520 1,063 The AP county-by-county tally is an unofficial survey. The vote totals are subject to verification by the Florida Secretary of State's Office and subject to legal challenges by candidates and others. The Associated Press surveyed elections officials in each of Florida's 67 counties on Wednesday and Thursday to tabulate vote totals in the recount of the presidential election. The results were provided directly to the AP by election officials in those counties either in person or by phone. In every possible instance, the AP also obtained faxed copies of the recounted tally from the county officials. The same results were to be relayed from each county to the Florida secretary of state's office in Tallahassee, and she will then release a final unofficial tally. The vote totals include some but not all absentee ballots sent to Floridians living overseas. Those ballots had to be postmarked by Election Day, but can be returned as late as Nov. 17. AP-NY-11-10-00 1125EST Copyright 2000 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 00:51:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 10 1998: The Village Voice publishes a rather irreverent view of the recent MSG concert, saying "Was it possible? Could the tall blond under the Madison Square Garden spots be responsible for unleashing Jewel, Sarah, Paula, Alanis, Shawn, and a couple of Natalies on us? Funny, she didn't look cruel. She actually looked pleasant, not at all the soured sibyl who sulks through interviews, grousing about whiny white kids and her pantheon niche." Read it here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981110vv.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:01:59 -0800 (PST) From: davidpaulmarine@webtv.net (David Marine) Subject: Re: Craziness, the Election Hey List -- As Seal says, "we're never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy." I think it's telling that the last time we had such a close race was '60, just before a profound shift in our nation's consciousness. I believe that within the present turmoil are the seeds of a new America, though I don't pretend to know what it will look like. On another note, Carlton posted about the Reagan era and AIDS, and as someone who lived through that initial crisis on the front lines in NYC, I can tell you that the threat we felt was very real. C. Everett Koop has stated that the reason Reagan failed to respond to the crisis was not homophobia, but "a hatred of gay people at the highest level" (i.e. Reagan & co.). It's important to realize that for many who vote, the question of who is in office may literally be a life or death issue. Personally, I feel that Gore and his camp should fight Bush with every legal means at their disposal. David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:07:11 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Craziness, The election David, I could not agree with you more. See the following letter below (which was dated the week before the general election last Tuesday), from a friend's sister at the University of Toledo in Ohio, regarding Mrs. Lynne Cheney, the wife of the Republican vice presidential candidate. May justice and reason prevail. Richard - ----- "As the presidential election approaches, we need to take a look also at Bush's vice presidential running mate, Dick Cheney...well not Dick, but his wife, Lynne. It has been strongly rumored that Lynne Cheney will get the spot of Secretary of Education in a Bush administration. Although she has been very low key during this campaign, this woman is anything but low key. In 1986, Reagan appointed her to head the National Endowment for the Humanities (NEH). While at the NEH, she campaigned against anything she considered to be "liberal". One of her first campaigns was aimed at the PBS series called "The Africans", because she said the program was "propaganda" in that it described Africa's historic problems as a result of European exploitation. She insisted on having the NEH's name removed in the credits and refused funding for publicity of the series. At the NEH, she criticized colleges and universities for moving away from traditional Western Civilization courses toward global history and culture. She argued that the American experience is the high point of world history. She also attempted to stack the NEH's advisory panel with right wingers, including Carol Iannone, a woman who had written an article in the conservative Commentary that stated that giving National Book Awards and Pulitzer Prizes to African American women writers like Toni Morrison and Alice Walker sacrificed "the demands of excellence to the democratic dictatorship of mediocrity." Fortunately, the Congress was not predominately Republican at the time, and despite a major lobbying effort on the part of Lynne Cheney, the appointment of Iannone was killed. After she left the NEH, she joined the conservative American Enterprise Institute, as well as became a board member of the defense contractor Lockheed Martin. She set out on campaign to get rid of the NEH, and successfully got rid of the National History Standards, published after she left the NEH with NEH funding. She maintained the standards were too much about women and minorities and not enough about white men. She said that Harriet Tubman was "mentioned six times" in the standards, while George Washington "makes only a fleeting appearance" and Thomas Edison gets no mention at all. In fact, the standards were the product of more than two years of meetings involving over 6,000 teachers, administrators, scholars, and parents, along with thirty-five organizations, ranging from the American Association of School Librarians to the National Council for the Social Studies. In truth, white males are mentioned on every page of the standards. This is just the tip of the iceberg about this woman. She has openly spoken out against gays and lesbians, and against equal protection of the laws for hem. Yet, her own daughter is openly living a lesbian lifestyle. {I don't know what that says about her relationship with her daughter, perhaps that she holds her personal philosophy about gays more dearly than her child}. I say this woman is dangerous, and if our knowledge of Bush and Cheney isn't enough to make us understand that we must get out the vote for Al Gore and Joe Lieberman, then let's do it to stop this woman from impacting further on the political scene!" Christine Fox, Ph.D. Educational Research and Measurement College of Education The University of Toledo ----------------------------------------------------------------- office hours for Fall Semester: M: 4-5:30 W: 10-12, 4-5:30 phone: 419-530-2473, 4302 ============= >Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:01:59 -0800 (PST) >From: davidpaulmarine@webtv.net (David Marine) >Subject: Re: Craziness, the Election > >Hey List -- > >As Seal says, "we're never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy." >I think it's telling that the last time we had such a close race was >'60, just before a profound shift in our nation's consciousness. I >believe that within the present turmoil are the seeds of a new America, >though I don't pretend to know what it will look like. > >On another note, Carlton posted about the Reagan era and AIDS, and as >someone who lived through that initial crisis on the front lines in NYC, >I can tell you that the threat we felt was very real. C. Everett Koop >has stated that the reason Reagan failed to respond to the crisis was >not homophobia, but "a hatred of gay people at the highest level" (i.e. >Reagan & co.). It's important to realize that for many who vote, the >question of who is in office may literally be a life or death issue. >Personally, I feel that Gore and his camp should fight Bush with every >legal means at their disposal. > >David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:45:16 -0800 From: Steven Barton Subject: Re: WHAT DISCS TO BUY NEXT What to buy next: Hijera ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #431 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?