From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #425 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, November 6 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 425 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Songs that evoke emotions ["Mark or Travis" ] Kenny Grant [Penny ] Diltz Exhibit [Penny ] Fave pianists/guitarists/bassists (VLJC) [Howard ] bushy boy ["Dave and Beth Fairall" ] five songs [db.ireland@usa.net] Re: songs that evoke emotion, Beach Boys [Nancy ] Re: The intellectuality of Joni's lyrics (long) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 00:17:20 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Songs that evoke emotions > Prisoner in Disguise - Linda Ronstadt One of my all time favorites! Linda really wrings your heart on that one! Good choice, Kakki! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 00:51:25 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: Kenny Grant I was shocked to hear about Kenny. I was lucky enough to meet Kenny at the 99 Jonifest, but we didn't find the time to chat it up with each other nearly as much as I would have liked. (Jonifests - So many people - so little time.) The car ride we shared to Atty May's, happily wedged between he and John vanTiel, in the back seat of Kakki's rental car, was such a kick - one of that weekends most memorable moments. He seemed so genuine, funny and warm. Kenny was really one of the many gems on this list. He's gone way to soon. Penny NP Joni - A Chair In The Sky __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 01:15:00 -0800 (PST) From: Penny Subject: Diltz Exhibit Hi All! Thanks to JMDLers info, I went to Henry Diltz's slide show and exhibit last Thursday in Portland. Henry's just as everyone has described him - down to earth, friendly, funny and a wonderful photographer. His photos are just so natural - they "feel" so comfortable and warm. The subjects' personalities really seem to come through unguarded - he seems to capture their true essense. His photos seem to give off warm fuzzies! ;-) He told terrific little stories throughout the slideshow - to many for me to remember all the details, but one of things he passed on that fits into a recent thread is that he just did the sessions a couple of weeks ago with Graham Nash for Graham's new album. Henry said Graham is using only musicians he's never worked with before, I think he mentioned from Nashville, in hopes of coming up with something more fresh from what he or his listeners have become accustomed. Interesting. Going through the exhibit again after the slide show, I wanted to ask Henry a question, because, frankly, I kinda wanted to meet him. ;-) And besides, it wasn't at all crowded - I bet there weren't ten people milling around there when Lawyer Dave and I spoke with him. I couldn't think of a Joni question I didn't already know the answer to, so I asked about the Sweet Baby James cover instead. The SBJ cover was hanging right above another shot of James sitting on the running board of an old pickup, out in a wooded area, wearing the same clothes as the SBJ cover, but the truck license plate was from California. So he told the story of how James came out to meet with his then manager Peter Asher, and so they went out to the boonies later that day and shot what turned out to be the SBJ cover. BTW, Henry prefers the black and white SBJ shot (on display) over the color shot they used because he feels the color one is just so dull and grainy. But anyway, that one surprised me - I always sensed SBJ was taken on the East Coast, not California. Henry says he does one reel during his slide show presentation, but he has 5 or 6 reels of these. Whether or not he only shows the same reel each time, I don't know - I should have asked. But good news! This West Coast tour is just the first stage of his exhibit. He said sometime after the first of the year it will be going to the other cities planned. No dates yet, but here's the cities: Baltimore Boston Chicago Cleveland Dallas Denver Detroit Houston Las Vegas Miami Minneapolis-St. Paul Orlando Philadelphia Phoenix Washington D.C. Hope more will be able to catch it in a city near you! Oh, and one more thing. I hadn't seen or heard any local advertisement about Henry's exhibit beforehand, but while we were there a news crew came in and interviewed Henry. In talking with him only a few minutes later, he said that was the fourth news crew that interviewed him that night. So watching the news at 11:30, Henry's was the last piece for the night. They had Joni playing on the sound for the piece while showing about a dozen of his shots and ended it with the TV screen completely filled with that famous beautiful black and white close up of Joni. Nice way to end an evening! ;-) Penny NP: Goodbye Pork Pie Hat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 14:55:10 +0000 From: Howard Subject: Fave pianists/guitarists/bassists (VLJC) Glad to see Thelonious Monk's name crop up in the fave pianists list. His playing and creativity just knock me out. Funky, cheeky, tender, swingin' - he could do it all. One other name I *didn't* see but have to mention - Claude Debussy. If I was pushed for my single favourite piano player/composer, it would probably be him. Unbeatable. Other honourable mentions: Keith Jarret, Joni, Fats Waller. Guitarists: In the beginning was the word, and the word was Hendrix! ... OK, there were plenty of others before him (Django, C. Christian), but as far as rock/pop/blues guitar goes, Hendrix comes first in my list - - no-one else comes close. Others: Zappa, Larry Carlton, Andy Summers, Neil Young, Brian May Bassists: Paul McCartney, Jaco, Sting, Chuck Rainey ... Howard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 11:58:55 -0500 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: Intricacy of Joni's lyrics~ From Rose I am posting this for Rose: In a message dated 11/4/00 2:29:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, marian@jmdl.com writes: !!! I think they are very beautiful lyrically and melodically (she is among my favorite musicians), but I find her songs very cerebral. It's like the emotions are transformed into beautiful multicolored jewels and the metaphorical beauty is moving, but I don't cry in response to it, even though many of the songs are very melancholy. When I think of Joni's artistry I think of Beauty and the beauty she creates endears her to us............. The Book of Changes on Grace/ Beauty She is an artist. She has the ability to discover and delineate forms and patterns that have a universal meaning. Her work communicates with others through the commonly understood universality of its forms-i.e., it's beauty. As an artist whatever she expresses, communicated with varying degrees of success, is only a medium for the beauty of expression, which has little to do with its personal meaning. There is something universal in what she expresses that communicates to others perfectly---clearly, directly, untransformed and untransformable. The artist is proverbially misunderstood. Her work is not the content of her work or life, but its form. The beauty of Isadora Duncan, for example is what her life was and not its intent: her story communicates deeply---a graceful fluttering between joy and tragedy. A tintype of her in a dance pose, however, arouses twitters at least as often as awe and the dance theories and education ! theories that were the overwhelming effort of her life are unfamiliar to most people. She is to others something else other than what she intends. It may be that this activity of hers that seems to her ordinary, natural, easy, thoughtless seems to us to be the prototype of the human condition and a reflection of universal truth: a work of art. True artistic genius. Happiness. rosemjoy@aol.com "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 11:27:20 +0000 From: Nancy Subject: Joni's Songs on Soundtracks I have a soundtrack CD from "Practical Magic" which has "A Case of You" on it, and also some Stevie Nicks (Fleetwood Mac) songs that I like. Does anyone know of any other movies that include Joni's songs in their soundtracks? Thanks, Nancy/IA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:48:00 -0600 From: "Dave and Beth Fairall" Subject: bushy boy j I want to give everyone who doesn't want to discuss politics a warning.I am truly worried about this election.If Bush wins,it will be a nightmare for this country.He will cut funding for all programs that help people.He will ruin the enviorment.It will be a disaster,a true nightmare for everyone.I am disgusted about this.How could we come to this?Bush is such an ignorant,foolish,idiot.How could he actually become president? - ------------------------------ Right On, it's really really scary. But then again as Mencken said, no one every lost a bet underestimating the intelligence of the American people. Look how popular country music is. This guy is totally unqualified, and we could be in for a return to the trickle down, "voodoo economics" that his Father warned us of. Not good for any humanitarian or environmental causes, look at Houston. He doesn't give a shit. In Italy he referred to as George the Murderer for his embrace of the death penalty. Not since Ronald Reagan's senile rein has the image of the US been so compromised with the prospect of a GW Bush victory. df ------------------------------ Date: 5 Nov 00 10:56:44 MST From: db.ireland@usa.net Subject: five songs Hey there... I'm trying to catch up with all of you so here is my pick: 1. River (of course) 2. Case of you (I am such a lonely painter too) 3. REal good for free (this touches my heart) 4. Just like a WOman (RIchie Havens version...makes me cry) 5. Love Ridden (Fiona Apple...new but really gets you) And I just have to mention to "Mark or Travis": Joni's songs do just that to me...."They heal, they soothe and they inspire". RIght on to that! Joni has touched my soul forever.... Peace everyone! DB ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 12:16:42 +0000 From: Nancy Subject: Re: songs that evoke emotion, Beach Boys I'm sort of like this too; wonder if it's a "mom" thing? I can get weepy when I hear "Sunrise, Sunset". Went to a wedding once (when my son was about 2 years. old), and they showed slides of the bride and groom as they were growing up, and played the Carpenters' "Bless the Beasts and the Children". I couldn't help crying; I felt really dumb, but the thought of my son growing up and getting married just set it off! a couple of songs that I can never > play all the way through without choking up. #1 on that list is Little > Green, especially since the Kilauren revelation but even before that I > had a hard time getting through it. Also in that same vein is Morning > Morgantown because I always think of it as an imaginary day out with the > child she gave up. > > Also, since my daughter went to college, I COMPLETELY LOSE IT every time I > play Sisotowbell Lane. > WAAAAAHHH!!! That's a killer. > Maybe I'm just a MUSH. Me, too, Sue! This is one of my favorite Beach Boys songs!! Very mellow. > Subject: Favorite Arrangers / Producers (from Jim) > 5th: Brian Wilson. Amazing and subtle stuff on the Beach Boys albums. If > you've heard the hits and wonder what else there is, try a track called "In > My Room". –––Nancy/IA PS: I am *really* enjoying this list; so glad I found all of you!! Anyone know if list members represent a particular age group? I'm just curious. :-) Can someone tell me who "RLJ" is (I may have missed it in the earlier discussion). Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 01:24:40 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: The intellectuality of Joni's lyrics (long) What a great piece of writing, Debra! From the little literary touches, > that wrinkle between the eyebrows to the dramatic point near the end, > Joni in her music just shows up I loved it all. Thanks for this gift. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:45:28 -0800 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Top 5 songs played on a Tuesday when the rain is out of the east and a election is just two days away and a candidate plans on driving in Martha's Vineyard under the influence (NCJ) America - Paul Simon America - Yes America - Niel Diamond America - Jaco Pastorius America - Menudo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 20:08:56 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Both Sides, Now I count this song among my favorites by Joni, or anyone for that matter. Few other songs give me this feeling of contemplative reflection on life and love. And I dig how the song's story is told from an ethereal and unordinary perspective. So, I was intrigued to hear Joni talk about the inspiration for the song on the Philadelphia Second Fret recordings from March 1967 (thanks, simon...hi Nikki). Joni attributes the impetus for "Both Sides, Now" to her reading of _Henderson the Rain King_ (1959) by Nobel laureate Saul Bellow. I had been meaning to read the tome for some time, now and finally got around to it this sunny Sunday. I thought I'd post the salient passage to the List, as I don't recall it being discussed here before. Bellow's book, a comedy and a fiction, is the story of a New York millionaire who goes to Africa to "find himself" and the meaning of life: "Africa reached my feelings right away even in the air, from which it looked like the ancient bed of mankind. And at a height of three miles, sitting above the clouds, I felt like an airborne seed... ...And I dreamed down at the clouds, and thought that when I was a kid I had dreamed up at them, and having dreamed at the clouds from both sides as no other generation of men has done, one should be able to accept death very easily. However, we made safe landings every time." - -Julius np: 2nd Fret "Urge for Going, Both Sides Now, Circle Game, Morning Morgantown..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 08:48:33 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: TNT "All-Star Tribute To Joni Mitchell" free on VHS and audio cassette ~NTSC only~ Yesterday, only two people (both Canadians) took me up on this offer. Is there anyone out there who hasn't seen this? - ------------------------- I'll make copies of the TNT Tribute for anyone who sends me a blank VHS tape. (USA version only- I can't make PAL tapes. Sorry!) It' the finest 2 hours of tv ever produced by the Western World. My copy was recorded from a snow-free digital cable service in stereo but it includes commercials ("Ahhh! The power of CHEESE!"). Perhaps more importantly, you can get a cassette of Simon's most excellent Audience recording of the same evening. Get both and amaze your friends! http://tnt.turner.com/specials/jonimitchell/frame_home_exclude.html In the spirit of being a good neighbor to Canada, I'll cover return postage for the first 5 Canadians who request either the video or audio cassette. (3 to go!) Brother Lamadoo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 03:49:25 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: Tear Jerkers I came up with 10, so I figure I'm using 2 of my 9 on this one. Amelia- Joni Mitchell Un Bel Di- Puccini Stolen Car- Bruce Springsteen I Will Always Love You - Dolly Parton Burma Shave - Tom Waits Misfits - Neil Young Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas - Judy Garland Heart Like A Wheel - The McGarrigles The Only Living Boy In New York - Simon & Garfunkel The Late Show - Jackson Browne CC "...to see the tears and the kisses..." -- JM _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #425 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?