From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #421 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, November 3 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 421 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Sign up for VideoTree #2 now: http://www.jmdl.com/trading ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- favourite guitarists/taming the tiger/shadows & light ["Greer, Ron" ] Re: Favorite pianists/keyboardists [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Equal time for favorite pianists/keybaord players ["Hell" ] Re: guitarists, pianists & bears (oh my!) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: favourite guitarists/taming the tiger/shadows & light [SCJoniGuy@aol.] Re: 5 Top Guitarists (VLJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Chuck Mitchell [Steve Dulson ] re: 5 guitarists [Don Sloan ] Re: guitarists, pianists & bears (oh my!)/ 5 fave bass players ["Brenda J] Today in Joni History - November 2 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Bass guitarists, (oh my!) (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Today in Joni History - November 2 ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: Five Fave Guitarists [Gertus@aol.com] another cover ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: Bass guitarists, (oh my!) (md) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Amazing Bass Guitarist (Jaco-related) ["Kakki" ] Re: another cover [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Favorite pianists/keyboardists ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Great Pianists- Carole King... ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] 5 Rock Bassists ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] re: 5 favorite guitarists ["Blair Fraipont" ] RE: Great Pianists- Carole King... ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:47:18 +0200 From: "Greer, Ron" Subject: favourite guitarists/taming the tiger/shadows & light hi i just subscribed yesterday. quite fascinating - some people here that really know their stuff. on the top guitarist thing >Scott and Jody chose >Leo Kottke at last - i was wondering when someone would pick him. my list: joni mitchell (because no-one else tunes like her, or plays the same kind of rhythms) jimi hendrix leo kottke richard thompson johnny winter tuck andress ok - so its six....... >- -Fred Simon wrote >Well, Kakki, when it comes to certain artists, I'm a blind optimist; I'll >always check out their new albums, always hopeful. But, man, was I burned by >the recent CSNY album, and Taming the Tiger, too. taming the tiger had such rave reviews here about how it was such a great progression, and how it continued on from turbulent indigo, (which i love.....) that i rushed out & bought it without listening. paid a high price as an import as well. yeah, i was burned too. ive tried so hard to connect with it, but it just doesnt work for me. a question - is the full version of shadows & light available on cd? having ordered the cd, & waited forever to get it, i am very, very, bummed to find they cut a couple of the tracks so it could fit on a single disc. i had the album on vinyl, & want the *whole* album on cd........... ron ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 00:16:28 MST From: "karla subero" Subject: fave pianists (SJC) Only one: (who happens to be a singer as well) Diana Krall, who did (in my opinionated opinion) a smashing job of Joni's 'A Case of You' on the TNT JM Tribute. - -kol _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 05:06:20 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite pianists/keyboardists "Kakki" wrote: >Whether composer and/or performer - > >Laura Nyro >David Benoit >Stevie Wonder >Michael Ruff >Jimmy Webb >Joni >Billy Joel >Elton >Bill Champlin >Fred Simon (mee, too) >Tori Amos Kakki ... I love you, maaaan!! - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:17:04 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: Equal time for favorite pianists/keybaord players Don wrote: > Well since everyone's having SO much fun with the fave > guitarist thread ... thought I'd widen the topic a > bit, and see which ticklers of ivories have caught > listeners fancy. Now as a demon keyboard player > myself, I'm breaking it up: Good idea, except that I'm pretty ignorant about musicians - I tend to be more interested in the lyrics than the music. But since it's been asked, I'm going to have to answer ;o) Favourite pianists/keyboardists (since I don't know enough to have five of each): Joni (for Two Grey Rooms alone) Carole King Ray Manzarek Christine McVie Alan Brown - who plays in a local Auckland "funk jazz" band, and the most dextrous worker of a keyboard I've ever seen. An incredibly talented guy. Favourite bass players (don't take much notice, I'm afraid): John McVie - who I do notice Ray Manzarek - who you never noticed but should have - great talent! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 06:23:41 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Favorite Pianists My top 5: David Lahm Oscar Peterson Nat King Cole Professor Longhair Duke Ellington and the list could go on by genre.... Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:26:02 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: guitarists, pianists & bears (oh my!) <> Well, ANY list of bass players HAS to include John Entwhistle, the Alpha & Omega of the thing! Just listen to Quadrophenia...Ohmigod!! The man is simply in a class by himself, much like Jimi on guitar and Aretha on vocals. Graham Maby (Joe Jackson)is also amazing. Jaco of course is unique and a pioneer and an innovator. What a blessing that he was able to link up with Joni and create some of the best musical landscapes ever recorded! And Patrick Leader will beam with joy to see that I'm going to mention Larry Klein as well...his playing on the '83 tour is knockout! Great solos on "God Must Be A Boogie Man" and also powerhouse on "WTRF" and "Flat Tires". Also I dug his work on "Hejira" on this year's tour. Plus, he's a really nice guy. I was able to meet him twice and talk to him, and he's very honest and non-condescending, much like Joni. But he sure ain't no Entwhistle! ;~) Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "Rabid Child" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:32:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: favourite guitarists/taming the tiger/shadows & light <> Welcome, Ron! Glad that you just jumped in to the conversational fray! Shadows & Light IS available as a double CD, shouldn't be impossible to find. Further to that, many of us have some other nice recordings from that tour which include songs NOT on S&L; Raised on Robbery, Big Yellow Taxi, Jaco's Solo, Last Time I Saw Richard... That was an awesome band/tour! A combination and a chemistry that really swung! Bob NP: TMBG, "She's An Angel" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:39:29 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: 5 Top Guitarists (VLJC) In a message dated 11/1/00 8:19:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, susang@mail.fadc.com writes: << Clapton. Who I see as an impostor in the Blues world. I am ready to be stoned now - have at me. This in no way started out as a Clapton bashing, he just seems so diluted the past 10 years or so. >> i know!!!!! and isn't he so great!!! i love him. he's my hero. and he's definately blown off the blues. keeps touches in his songs, but he's moved on. in fact, it's like he did unplugged and moved on almost at the same time. but his one cd..from the cradle...you have to admit, that's pretty hard core blues in the last ten years. i like stevie's version of little wing. and i like to watch him. he's like a spiritual pass through agent for some guitar god. like he transcends time and place. but if i listen too long to him, i get a headache. here's two i love. buddy guy acoustic with jr. wells....'hey jr...hey jr...listen to this...boo doomp..weirrr boo doomp. and if you like the electic blues, you have to like robert cray. i saw him open for steve winwood in the late 80's in cleveland. it was a very white crowd and i was one of the only ones there who could sing to his songs. patrick np. paul simon - darling lorraine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:43:34 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Chuck Mitchell Kerry wrote: >Chuck Mitchell...Did anyone else hear >him in concert? Yes, at The Bistro, in Atlanta, 8/11/72. I too only went because of the Joni connection. I thought the description "ladies in gingham still blush while he sings them of wars and wine" was still apt. >And, does anyone know what he's doing now? There was some discussion of Chuck awhile back. I believe that Les has been in touch with him. Off the top of my head, I think he lives in the midwest and teaches. - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 07:59:43 -0800 From: Don Sloan Subject: re: 5 guitarists Bob wrote in part: "Pat called Clapton a saint...you missed it by a letter Pat...he's an "ain't"." I don't know that I'd go *that* far, but for me, his best work was pre-Cream, specifically his stuff with John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers. If you listen to that LP, there's no denyin' the man was alive and feeling every note. My five (this morning, pre-coffee): Michael Bloomfield (Maybe I've missed it, but I am surprised if no one else has listed him) Buddy Guy Fleetwood Mac-era Peter Green James Taylor and damn if i can't remember the guy who played with Pentangle (Bert Jansch??) Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:44:46 -0800 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: guitarists, pianists & bears (oh my!)/ 5 fave bass players In no particular order.... Ron Carter Charles Mingus Jaco Louis Johnson (from the Brothers Johnson) and a tie for fifth - Me'shell Ndegeocello and John Paul Jones Are drummers next? It really is tough to keep these lists at five.... SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > <> > > Well, ANY list of bass players HAS to include John Entwhistle, the Alpha & > Omega of the thing! Just listen to Quadrophenia...Ohmigod!! The man is simply > in a class by himself, much like Jimi on guitar and Aretha on vocals. > > Graham Maby (Joe Jackson)is also amazing. > > Jaco of course is unique and a pioneer and an innovator. What a blessing that > he was able to link up with Joni and create some of the best musical > landscapes ever recorded! > > And Patrick Leader will beam with joy to see that I'm going to mention Larry > Klein as well...his playing on the '83 tour is knockout! Great solos on "God > Must Be A Boogie Man" and also powerhouse on "WTRF" and "Flat Tires". Also I > dug his work on "Hejira" on this year's tour. Plus, he's a really nice guy. I > was able to meet him twice and talk to him, and he's very honest and > non-condescending, much like Joni. > > But he sure ain't no Entwhistle! ;~) > > Bob > > NP: They Might Be Giants, "Rabid Child" - -- Brenda J. Walker soulstreet inc. Phone: 310-373-4927 Fax: 310-373-4957 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 00:01:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 2 1980: The Los Angeles Times publishes a review of the "Shadows and Light" album today, saying "Her version of Lymon's "Why Do Fools Fall in Love?" is spirited but ragged in a way that suggests you had to be there to fully appreciate it. That pretty much sums up the album as a whole: The music is pleasant enough while the record is playing, but it just drifts away when the needle rises from the turntable." Read on at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/801102lat.cfm 1998: The New York Times reviews last night concert, saying "Rather than call out for her hits, the crowd became lulled by the intricacy of her lyrics and the sincerity of her singing." Read it here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981102ew.cfm 1998: Joni performs in Syracuse. Setlist here (no Jimdler reported in on this one!): http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981102.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:09:06 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Bass guitarists, (oh my!) (md) <<>> John Entwhistle's bass solo on My Generation is my favorite bass solo of all time. While most bass players have to drag a solo out for ten miles so that the listener can hear how good they are John E does the trick in seconds. Let us not forget John was a symphonic French Horn player earlier in his life. He was always the anchor of the band. While Peter Roger and keith flailed away and jumped all over the stage John remained solid as a rock in the background.A really interesting thing to do is put on the album Live at Leeds. They have Peter T Mixed out of one speaker and you get to hear John alone out of the other. His playing is flawless, interesting and powerful in a way no one else is. I have to throw in there Lord Paul McCartney. His genius on the instrument can be heard in many songs but the two that come to my mind are Golden Slumbers from Abby Road and Helter Skelter from the White Album. Amazing bass pieces. John Mcvie: All those albums. The air-tight connection with Mick Fleetwood. A vote for consistency. Larry klein: C'mon guys how can we leave this guy out. After seeing him with Joni at San Jose I could see why she placed so much trust in him. hes not just a bass player hes a musical director. OK so hes a heartless philanderer? If one can be the president one can be a top 'o the list bass player. Jack Cassidy : The man is Deeeeep. The ocean upon which the Starship floated and the clouds upon which the Airplane flew. Listen to Surrealistic Pillow one more time for a real treat but watch your stereo speakers. John Garnache: OK so hes an old friend. BUT he did play with Ry Cooder and the new Mickey Thomas Starship and a hundred other pros and he is absolutely amazing. When I flew him up from LA (he was in the house band at Bill Meddleys Club) to play on a record I was producing the engineer who had been at this huge studio for 15 years and has recorded all kinds of name players turns to me while they were warming up and says..."who the fricken fuck is THIS guy. I have never heard better timing". Donald 'Duck' Dunn: heart of the best old rhythm section in the music business. Currently plays with Neil Young. Not flashy but theres a reason why so many love to have him in their band. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:27:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - November 2 On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Today in Joni History wrote: > 1980: The Los Angeles Times publishes a review of the "Shadows and Light" > album today, saying "Her version of Lymon's "Why Do Fools Fall in Love?" is > spirited but ragged in a way that suggests you had to be there to fully > appreciate it. That pretty much sums up the album as a whole: The music is > pleasant enough while the record is playing, but it just drifts away when > the needle rises from the turntable." > Read on at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/801102lat.cfm Just goes to show how wrong critics can be. Jerry np: Kathy Mattea - The Innocent Tears ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:45:29 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Chuck Mitchell At 08:43 AM 11/2/2000, Steve wrote: >There was some discussion of Chuck awhile back. I believe that Les >has been in touch with him. Me Les?? Nope, I have never spoken with him. I do believe that Wally was talking with Chuck's brother at one point, but I think that's as close as anyone got. Les NP: Patty Larkin "Open Arms" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:44:39 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Five Fave Guitarists VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading No particular order cos that's too hard:- John Renbourn Bert Jansch Stefan Grossman Joni Craig Ogden (classical guitarist from Oz who I went to see recently. Amazing) Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 13:58:07 -0500 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: another cover VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Howdy All, another cover just popped into my head, and I don't see it on the JMDL list of covers: For Free - Paul Horn (solo for flute). I used to listen to this when I was a kid (my Dad had the Paul Horn record, and mom had LOTC). I loved the crossover. SCBob was kind enough to send me a copy of Covers Vol. 11, which I love. Particularly the John Handy version of "Hissing..." Thank you, Bob! Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:06:13 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Bass guitarists, (oh my!) (md) VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading In a message dated 11/2/00 12:19:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << Jack Cassidy : The man is Deeeeep. The ocean upon which the Starship floated and the clouds upon which the Airplane flew. Listen to Surrealistic Pillow one more time for a real treat but watch your stereo speakers. >> Even better yet, listen to the early Hot Tuna albums or the recording of Voodoo Chile on Henrix's Electric Ladyland to really hear Jack play his eyebrows off! Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:49:01 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Amazing Bass Guitarist (Jaco-related) VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe A couple of years ago I discovered Marco Mendoza, who is the greatest bass player (next to Jack Casady) I've ever seen live. His group Straightjacket often backs up the headliner at the little La Ve Lee jazz club I frequent. I've seen him with anywhere from Kenny Rankin to Jeff Pevar to Otmaro Ruiz to Pancho Sanchez and he absolutely blew everyone's mind everytime. He is also one of the most humble and sweet musicians I've ever met. His background parallels Carlos Santana's in that they both started out as teenagers in little clubs in their native Tijuana, Mexico. He can sing, too! Here is more information on him from bassplayer.com where he is compared to Jaco: MARCO MENDOZA - L.A. MONSTER "The next time you visit Los Angeles, skip the Universal Studios tour and catch Marco Mendoza and Straight Jacket. In a town where jaded indifference is a birthright, the incendiary power-soul-fusion trio has been nailing audiences to the back wall for five years with familiar R&B, jazz, and rock tunes covered in ways you'd never imagine. Consider the swamp-rock classic "Suzie Q": While Renato Neto's synth-horn blasts summon Earth, Wind & Fire and Joey Heredia's timbale solo evokes Tito Puente, Mendoza makes his fretless Fernandes 6-string simultaneously sound like Jaco and a synth bass. Add Marco's soulful, over-the-top vocals and the tune becomes a ska-inflected acid-R&B trip—not exactly Creedence Clearwater Revival! Straight Jacket's tight interaction, humor, and abrupt feel changes are captured on Mendoza, Heredia, Neto, Live in L.A. [Audiophile Imports, (410) 628-7601; www.cyboard.com/audiophile.html], recorded at the group's weekly club gig at La Ve Lee. "This trio is so compact, we can move things very quickly," says Marco, who is sometimes confused with Twisted Sister's Mark "the Animal" Mendoza. "We like to keep it very open; it's amazing what you get when you make that available. That's part of the magic." In addition to its steady L.A. gig the group has been touring Europe, Scandinavia, South America, and Canada. Although influenced by Jaco—the CD features a cover of "Teen Town" (which Marco doubles vocally)—Mendoza has developed a unique fretless voice. Muting, front-pickup plucking, and an unusual right-hand technique that borrows from his early classical- and flamenco-guitar days combine to create a deep, staccato style that brings to mind a Mini Moog synth. Mendoza flavors his lines with clever volume effects, selective two-handed tapping, harmonics, strummed chords, and octave slides, and he often doubles his bass parts with percussive vocal sounds. "Years ago I couldn't afford effects, so I started playing around, just having fun with different sounds," he explains. Marco plays fretted and fretless Fernandes 4's, 5's, and 6's, strung with LaBella Super Steps, through Eden WT-800 heads and Eden 410XLT and 210XLT cabinets. Recent credits include touring and recording with Thin Lizzy (taking over for the late Phil Lynott), Blue Murder's Nothing but Trouble and Japan Live [Geffen], and an upcoming Whitesnake disc on EMI. He can also be heard on the Cranberries' remake of Fleetwood Mac's "Go Your Own Way" and Pat Boone's controversial In a Metal Mood [Hip-O]. Switching from his chops-intensive fusion bag to slamming eighth-notes with a pick poses no problem for Marco. "My roots are in rock & roll—but playing different styles keeps you fresh. Whatever you learn in one style can be applied to others, which I find challenging." Even with his large palette of techniques, Mendoza never overplays; instead he knocks you over with his commitment, sense of fun, and passion for the music. "Eleven years ago, when I got clean from drugs and alcohol, I was given another chance to really appreciate what God has given me. I feel so grateful to be doing what I do. When I perform I remind myself it's a privilege. I try to stay in touch with that." —Ed Friedland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:56:12 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: another cover VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe <> Reuben, thanks for the tip, but are you SURE on this one? I know he did Chelsea Morning & Blue but I was unaware of this one... <> You're welcome, you won it fair & square! Glad you're loving it, it's a pretty awesome collection, and just keeps getting better every day! Bob NP: Jen Trynin, "Writing notes" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:30:17 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Favorite pianists/keyboardists VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ok, we're talking pop and/or self-accompanists here. ellington, evans, robert holliston, horowitz, entremont, argerich, etc, i can't put them in the same category. i absolutely adore all the keyboardists that have played for rickie lee jones, especially: neil larsen michael ruff randy kerber you have to admit that they must be geniuses to be able to stress rather than obliterate rickie's idiosyncrasies. furthermore [in no order]: rickie lee jones laura nyro richard carpenter patrick moraz paul smith [played for ella] and then there are the hundreds of session pianists whose names i don't know or can't remember and who accompanied all the big names. i am so curious about fred simon, though! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de FredNow@aol.com Enviado el: Jueves, 02 de Noviembre de 2000 07:06 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Favorite pianists/keyboardists "Kakki" wrote: >Whether composer and/or performer - > >Laura Nyro >David Benoit >Stevie Wonder >Michael Ruff >Jimmy Webb >Joni >Billy Joel >Elton >Bill Champlin >Fred Simon (mee, too) >Tori Amos Kakki ... I love you, maaaan!! - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:54:06 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Don Freed article VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Is it just me, or did anyone else detect a sort of bitchy undertone to the Don Freed article posted earlier today? I came away with the impression of a committed artist versus a spoiled rich lady who just sits around a swimming pool all day. I'm not laying any blame on Don Freed, of course. But I wonder if the journalist had any sort of agenda. Or maybe I'm just *way* too over-sensitive. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:44:50 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Great Pianists- Carole King... VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe I've seen the name Carole King thrown out as a great pianists here. Ummm........ Well, first the positives...... Ms. King has written some great, great songs. In fact she's written LOTS and LOTS of great, great songs. I have eight of her albums. 8. In fact I was into her stories of love and loss before I discovered.... uh... the true way. :) That said, I must interject: What the heck are you guys talking about? Ms. King bangs chords on a keyboard. She clangs out two finger solos. She has enough talent to flesh out wonderful, humable tunes, but she's no 'great' as a player. In my book. Now, I'm basing my judgement, ignorant as it may be, on the period from "Writer" through "Thoroghbred", including "Tapestry", "Music", and "Really Rosie". In other words, her career peak. Mind you, I love Carole King! But she's no Ramsey Lewis. She' no Garth Hudson or Rick Wakeman. Oscar Peterson. Hell, I'll take Dave Brubeck and Keith Emerson although those guys tend to be 'bangers' too. I'm growing old for this rock era, moon-june stuff. I'm buying jazz and JMDL songwriters lately. It's a wacky world when I can hear a superior pianist who can improvise on the spot, embarassing any of my idols, on any night of the week for $8 at "The Blue Wisp Jazz Club" in downtown Cincinnati....... and I don't go. But if Carole King came to town, I'd gladly scheme a way to the fron of the line & pay $60 to sit up close and listen to her bang-bang-bang all night long. I have some bad musical habits and tastes but I'm growing out of them. I love Carole King. But as a technician, well.... Regretfully turning in his Carole King Fan Club secret decoder ring, Jim Lamadoo np-- Charles Mingus'es "Mingus Ah Um" npimh: Jokes from a hot movie I rented tonight- "Duck Soup" starring the Marx Brothers. Hey, I told you I'm growing old. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:56:43 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: 5 Rock Bassists VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Okay, With apologies to all of the jazz players who stomp my heros, here are my heros. Jaco & Larry Larry Graham (the guy who played in Sly and the Family Stone) Steve Howe and Sir Paul McCartney. I love Sir Paul McCartney's contribution to side 2 of Abbey Road. As the expression goes, the bass line is to die for. If you have never heard this, you have never been to church. You have never been to bed. You have never smelled the ocean. You have never heard your Mother sing "Happy Birthday" to you. :) Jim Lamadoo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 23:54:50 EST From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: re: 5 favorite guitarists VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe 1. Frank Zappa I think he is underrated, he did more adventurous things with his music, than Jimmy Page or Eric Clapton, ofcourse, his music is totally different period, (he never played straight forward blues like clapton or page). Yet, i loved his approach and how he weaved his love for composition into his playing and his very distinct sound. 2. Jeff Beck---What more can be said? 3. Ry Cooder-- I have just got into him.. i love his sound.. it is so earthy, so rich and full of life. 4.Carlos Santana 5.Wes Montgomery other menionables: Peter Buck From R.E.M. -- I love how he is the anti-guitar hero, that and his simplistic Rickenbacker playing is just great Joni--- love that rhythm playing.. and her chords.. totally set her apart from any other guitarists.. in my opinion, she is equal with Zappa in creativity with her music, they both took it, redefined it, and didnt care if they lost any fans when they went in other directions. love blair _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 02:32:36 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Great Pianists- Carole King... VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe jim, i agree with you that carole is no rick wakeman, but then again this a matter of the ''virtuoso''. i voted for her as a great pianist because she is a master of piano harmony. and her technique isn't THAT easy, either. she's really beyond the chopsticks level. i think it is hard to write exclusively on the piano. it takes a lot of musicianship to find chord progressions and stuff that still sounds original after, what? maybe six or seven hundred songs? i mean, carole king has squeezed every possible hook and phrase from her piano. and again, when you try to play her songs, you realize that they're not so basic at all. of course, ''locomotion'' or ''it might as well rain until september'' are kindergarten stuff. but, although it may sound like bang bang bang bang when you listen to the song, ''natural woman'' is hard to play and sing at the same time [and she's done it live] and in all its apparent simplicity, it's a very powerful piano part. anyhoo, i made it clear that i would include self/accompanists under the category i was voting. that's why i didn't vote for robert holliston or duke ellington. the only virtuoso i decided to leave on my list was patrick moraz because of his synthesizer solo on sound chaser [yes, relayer]. to me that solo is the ultimate synth thing!!! so i said what the heck, i'll leave martha argerich out but i'll vote for moraz. but yes, carole's solos are dismal. wallyk - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Jim L'Hommedieu Enviado el: Viernes, 03 de Noviembre de 2000 01:45 p.m. Para: _JMDL - June 98 Asunto: Re: Great Pianists- Carole King... VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com I've seen the name Carole King thrown out as a great pianists here. Ummm........ Well, first the positives...... Ms. King has written some great, great songs. In fact she's written LOTS and LOTS of great, great songs. I have eight of her albums. 8. In fact I was into her stories of love and loss before I discovered.... uh... the true way. :) That said, I must interject: What the heck are you guys talking about? Ms. King bangs chords on a keyboard. She clangs out two finger solos. She has enough talent to flesh out wonderful, humable tunes, but she's no 'great' as a player. In my book. Now, I'm basing my judgement, ignorant as it may be, on the period from "Writer" through "Thoroghbred", including "Tapestry", "Music", and "Really Rosie". In other words, her career peak. Mind you, I love Carole King! But she's no Ramsey Lewis. She' no Garth Hudson or Rick Wakeman. Oscar Peterson. Hell, I'll take Dave Brubeck and Keith Emerson although those guys tend to be 'bangers' too. I'm growing old for this rock era, moon-june stuff. I'm buying jazz and JMDL songwriters lately. It's a wacky world when I can hear a superior pianist who can improvise on the spot, embarassing any of my idols, on any night of the week for $8 at "The Blue Wisp Jazz Club" in downtown Cincinnati....... and I don't go. But if Carole King came to town, I'd gladly scheme a way to the fron of the line & pay $60 to sit up close and listen to her bang-bang-bang all night long. I have some bad musical habits and tastes but I'm growing out of them. I love Carole King. But as a technician, well.... Regretfully turning in his Carole King Fan Club secret decoder ring, Jim Lamadoo np-- Charles Mingus'es "Mingus Ah Um" npimh: Jokes from a hot movie I rented tonight- "Duck Soup" starring the Marx Brothers. Hey, I told you I'm growing old. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 00:36:30 -0500 From: revrvl@pathwaynet.com Subject: News Story VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe No way I could get an NJC in the tag so I apologise in advance. My dear opponent is lying through her teeth, breaking her word, and lying to the press. Two of my staunchest longstanding political opponets (who dislike me anyway) have switched to my side because of my opponent's lack of integrity. This is getting to be a very strange election. Two former Republican office holders have also endorsed me, and a whole slew of regular Republican members have endorsed me. The usual Dem vote is 20-25% out here... so this is extraordinary. I suspect that the GOP backing me is because my opponent is so lacking in integrity on this and many things, they know I am honest and have a sense of honor, so try to get me elected and then kick me out in four years with another Republican. But who knows; this has all been so wacky, getting support from my enemies and my opponent being such a liar! I had guessed that I might up the usual Dem vote from 20-25% to 35% but I may be able to do better! Be prepared to hug me when I lose or when this opponent of mine pulls some negative campaigning, but at this point, anything seems possible. What a wacky, wild ride this year has been. Can't wait to see how it ends! Sorry for boring the thousands who don't c are and for the lack of NJC tag but there was no way to send this individually without being here for hours. (the Rev) Vince http://zwire2.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=1032494&BRD=1625&PAG=461&dept_id=75221&rfi=6 +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + As featured in the on-line version of The Daily News. + Web Address: http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1625 +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:56:00 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Favorite pianists/keyboardists VideoTree sign-up: http://www.jmdl.com/trading Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Wally K wrote: > i absolutely adore all the keyboardists that have played for rickie lee > jones, especially: > neil larsen Wow, he played for Rickie Lee? A friend of mine dated him for awhile in the late 70s. I remember him as kind of quiet and shy, but he was "known" in the biz. I lost track of him after his album with Buzz Feiten. > michael ruff Oh Wally!! I'm completely mad over him. He lives in Maui now but comes out one weekend a month to play at the La Ve Lee and me and a staunch group of my friends and his followers show up religiously. He often teams up with the afore-mentioned Marco Mendoza on bass and Jeff Pevar on lead guitar. Those nights have been in my top 10 musical experiences of all time. You can now join the JMDL Fans of Michael Ruff club that Lori from France and I have started ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #421 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?