From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #419 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, November 1 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 419 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. 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Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Five Fave Guitarists [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Five Fave Guitarists [FredNow@aol.com] Neil Young Albums & 5 Fav Guitarists [john low ] Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions ["Kakki" ] Re: five favorite guitarists [Heather ] Re: Joni/guitar gods [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Joni/guitar gods ["Mike Hicks" ] ENYA ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Joni/guitar gods [Susan McNamara ] Today in Joni History - November 1 [Today in Joni History ] This Month in Joni History - November [This Month in Joni History ] RE: Joni/guitar gods [Susan McNamara ] five fave guitarists [CarltonCT@aol.com] RE: ENYA ["Wally Kairuz" ] Equal time for favorite pianists/keybaord players [Don Rowe ] 5 OTHER Guitars ["Michael Paz" ] halloween [db.ireland@usa.net] Re: 5 fave guitarists [Andy Baio ] Favorite pianists ["Brenda J. Walker" ] my fav guitarists ["Kate Bennett" ] Church & Nature ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: 5 fave guitarists [Ken ] VG-8 versus VG-88 ["Michael Paz" ] RE: Favorite pianists ["Eric Wilcox" ] Re: 5 OTHER Guitars ["Michael Paz" ] Re: Five Fave Guitarists ["P. Henry" ] FIVE FAVE GUITARISTS [Louis Lynch ] Re: Favorite pianists [Jerry Notaro ] pianists ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: 5 (yeah right) Top Guitarists [Robert Glenn Plotner ] Don Freed on Joni (long) [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Favorite pianists ["Brian Workman" ] Don Freed [Steve Dulson ] Re: Favorite pianists [FredNow@aol.com] RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #574 ["Kate Bennett" ] Foni Mitchell live (FC - Foni content) [Fonimitchell@aol.com] RE: 5 Top Guitarists (VLJC) ["Susan" ] Axilar Moonrise ["Jamie Zubairi" ] fave guitarists / piano players [dave and beth fairall ] Don Freed / Chuck Mitchell ["kerry" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 03:14:10 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions "Kakki" wrote: >>and Fred wrote: >>> I do understand why many folks connect primarily with the >lyrics >>in a song. But for me songs are music, and none of >the writers >>we've mentioned here, including, I'm afraid, Joni, >write music as >>inspired and interesting and moving as they >once did many years >>ago. In my less than humble opinion, of course. >>Fred, I'm not totally disputing what you say here. I agree with you >>about some of Crosby, Nash and Joni's later efforts compared to the >>early works. But.... I've been quite amazed by Crosby's recent songs >>written for his group CPR, especially from the music standpoint. CPR >>has another album coming out sometime soon and the couple Crosby >>songs I've heard previewed gave me absolute chills because they >>reminded me musically so much of early Joni. Check out CPR if you >>haven't already. Also, I adore Nash but have never much cared for >>his music. However, he seems to be going through some kind of >>renaissance and I like his newer music very much. He's currently >> working on a solo album of new songs that I'm very curious to check >>out. As for Joni, I think she still has the potential to blow us >>away musically like she used to - I still hold out hope. ;-) Well, Kakki, when it comes to certain artists, I'm a blind optimist; I'll always check out their new albums, always hopeful. But, man, was I burned by the recent CSNY album, and Taming the Tiger, too. I dig much of the first CPR album, but what I love most are the tunes by Crosby's kid, Raymond. Very cool stuff. Croz is singing sweet but his own tunes (the actual notes of the songs) are uninspired compared to his early work. In my less than humble opinion, of course. Nash's stuff these days doesn't move me much, either, and although I, too, have always dearly loved Nash I have never been much a fan of "Marakesh Express." But some of his early songs are sublime, gorgeous simple eloquence, like "Simple Man," "Lady of the Island," and move me deeply. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 03:18:01 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Five Fave Guitarists No way could I ever pare it down to just five, although Joni and Jimi would always be on the list. Another on my list, whose name I haven't seen mentioned here, is the genius Bill Frisell ... a guitar "voice" like no other, a true master. Check out his recent album "Good Dog, Happy Man." - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 03:28:24 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Five Fave Guitarists Joseph Palis wrote: >>(a big windham hill fan since the early 80s, and an even bigger fan >>of fred simon!) Joseph ... I love you, maaaan!! - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:48 +1000 From: john low Subject: Neil Young Albums & 5 Fav Guitarists Am I wrong in thinking that no one suggested "Zuma" as a Neil Young recommendation? (Forgive me if I'm wrong.) I thought that surprising! It's one of my favourite 1970s Neil Young records - some great songs (especially 'Cortez the Killer') and exceptional guitar playing. For the record, my five favourite guitarists are (after JG, in no particular order): Jerry Garcia Jimi Hendrix Duanne Allman Richard Thompson Neil Young Cheers, John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 01:27:42 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions Fred wrote:: > Well, Kakki, when it comes to certain artists, I'm a blind optimist; I'll > always check out their new albums, always hopeful. But, man, was I burned by > the recent CSNY album, and Taming the Tiger, too. I'm with you, Fred, I'm with you. But I guess when it comes right down to it it, I'm just glad they are both still out there keepin' on. > I dig much of the first CPR album, but what I love most are the tunes by > Crosby's kid, Raymond. Very cool stuff. Croz is singing sweet but his own > tunes (the actual notes of the songs) are uninspired compared to his early > work. In my less than humble opinion, of course. I'm with you all the way as to James Raymond. Oh my, my, my, he is a complete gem. Again, I look at it this way - it is a miracle that Crosby is even still with us, and I'm just so happy he hooked up with his miracle son Raymond and the astounding Jeff Pevar, who I feel both do so much to keep Crosby's creative juices flowing on. I feel they've done more to bring out the best in Crosby than anyone else in many a year and that is remarkable for me. > Nash's stuff these days doesn't move me much, either, and although I, too, > have always dearly loved Nash I have never been much a fan of "Marakesh > Express." But some of his early songs are sublime, gorgeous simple eloquence, > like "Simple Man," "Lady of the Island," and move me deeply. I feel the same way - Nash is all over the map for me. Most of his music does not do much for me, but sometimes he hits it and when he does, WOW. He's so much of a stellar human being that I'll keep rooting for him ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 04:50:52 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: 5 favourite guitarists In no particular order: Richard Thompson Pat Metheny Grant Green Jimi Hendrix Steuart Smith Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:23:04 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Joni/guitar gods I just saw the movie High Fidelity and the whole "Top 5 List" concept had me laughing my ass off. That movie really nailed it! Do we all know personally those guys in the record shop? :-) But I can't resist this one, but I have to list 10. sorry: 1. Joe Pass 2. Joni Mitchell 3. Martin Barre 4. Bruce Cockburn 5. Duane Allman 6. John Lennon (mostly for Cold Turkey, my favorite guitar solo of all time) 7. Doc Watson 8. John McLaughlin 9. Mike McCready (from Pearl Jam--I never knew his name before--I just had to look it up on the PJ website. He's great!!) 10. Robbie Krieger I could go on and on. sue PS Honorable mentions: Nancy Wilson and Nick Drake. oh yeah and that clapton guy. oh no -- I forgot Jimmy Page!!! kill me!! ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:38:39 -0500 From: Heather Subject: Re: five favorite guitarists great list, anne. glad to see someone else appreciates mcilwaine too. i'm also a long time fan of hedges and howe. heather At 09:18 AM 10/31/00 -0500, Anne Sandstrom wrote: >1. Pierre Bensusan >2. Michael Hedges >3. Ellen McIlwaine >4. Steve Howe >5. Tracy Moore (a great 12-string player from Seattle) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:36:23 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni/guitar gods In a message dated 11/1/00 8:41:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: << 9. Mike McCready (from Pearl Jam--I never knew his name before--I just had to look it up on the PJ website. He's great!!) >> you know just this morning i was listening to Black from one of the bootleg fighters they put out and i thought...that dude can play guitar. even hendrix would have liked his guitar. and that reminds me, VH1 did a special on Chicago, and the guy who played guitar for them in the early albums was liked very much by hendrix. he said he had great soul. patrick np. d.s. lady writer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:22:30 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: Joni/guitar gods > Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:23:04 -0500 > To: joni@smoe.org > From: Susan McNamara > Subject: Re: Joni/guitar gods > Reply-to: Susan McNamara > 3. Martin Barre This just reminds me that he should have made my top 5 or 6. He is pathetically underrated. He is definitely up there alongside the greatest. An excellent choice Susan! Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:24:43 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: ENYA Hey all you Enya fans. Go and pick up the new Enya release "A Day Without Rain". I'm getting mine soon. I'm sure it will be good. Anyone interested let me know. I'll give my opinion. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:03:43 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Joni/guitar gods > > Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:23:04 -0500 > > To: joni@smoe.org > > From: Susan McNamara > > Subject: Re: Joni/guitar gods > > Reply-to: Susan McNamara > > > 3. Martin Barre > >This just reminds me that he should have made my top 5 or 6. He is >pathetically underrated. He is definitely up there alongside the >greatest. An excellent choice Susan! > >Mike > > Always remember...there could never have been a Mark Knopfler if there wasn't a Martin Barre. Knopfler claims this to be true! And Barre still kicks ass...I saw Tull this summer and he was amazing. ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 00:56:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 1 1969: Joni performs in Saskatoon. The StarPhoenix previews the concert, saying "As a songwriter she plays Yang to Bob Dylan's Yin, equaling him in richness and profusion of imaginary and surpassing him in conciseness and direction." Read the article here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/691029ssp.cfm 1972: Joni performs at the Troubadour in Los Angeles. 1996: Joni is honored by her native Canada by receiving the prestigious Governor General's Award in a ceremony in Ottawa. 1996: Entertainment Weekly reviews Hits and Misses, saying, "In a way, these simultaneously rewarding and confounding sets make twisted sense. Ever since she renounced winsome folk rock for smoky jazz protest songs with cool, brittle singing to match, Mitchell hasn't made it easy for herself or her fans. She's made music on her own terms, shown few regrets, and dealt with the consequences." Read the article here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/9610.cfm 1998: Joni performs at Madison Square Garden on the tour with Bob Dylan. Setlists and Jimdlers reviews: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981101.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 00:47:00 -0600 From: This Month in Joni History Subject: This Month in Joni History - November 1973: Nazareth's version of "This Flight Tonight" reaches #11 in the UK. 1974: The album "Miles of Aisles" released 1975: The album "The Hissing of Summer Lawns" released 1984: High Fidelity magazine releases an article about concert videos, saying "So far, only a few pop artists have regarded the concert video like an album: a chance to make a statement. Joni Mitchell's "Shadows and Light," which the singer directed and co-edited, is more than just the visual sequel to the live concert album of the same name." Read the article here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/8411hf.cfm 1985: "Dog Eat Dog" peaks at #57 in the UK. 1988: US magazine interviews Joni in conjunction with the release of TTT, saying "Mitchell, though friendly enough, carries herself with the imperiousness of someone who knows she is a legend." Read the article here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/9811us.cfm 1996: This month's Mojo magazine features an article about Joni and the Hits/Misses releases stating: "From fey innocence to worldly sophistication, from the hits to the misses, two compilations reveal that Joni Mitchell boasts several more dimensions than her imitators." Read the full article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/9611mojo.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:49:43 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: enya The release date of the Enya album "A Day Without Rain" is November 21st. Mike P.S. Tom C. this is one you need to check out! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:37:12 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: Joni/guitar gods > Is there a comprehensive anthology of guitar players on CD? Some of >the players you folks have mentioned are foreign to me. I want to know them >all but I can't afford to go out and buy 22 cds! I'm bummed. > >Peg I bet if you went to the Guitar Player Magazine website they might have a top 100 list or something that would be a good start. I will explain my top 10 in a little more detail: 1. Joe Pass - great jazz guitarist from the 50s and 60s. He plays standards that are smooth like silk. I have a three-cd compiliation called Virtuoso which is not misnamed. 2. Joni Mitchell - craftsman extraordinaire 3. Martin Barre - lead guitarist for Jethro Tull. Gets some of the most amazing sounds out of a guitar I've ever heard. 4. Bruce Cockburn - his guitar playing is almost as beautiful as his lyrics. He is a solo artist - Canadian singer songwriter. CHARITY OF NIGHT is a major masterpiece. 5. Duane Allman - sadly taken from us too soon. All I can say is, in two nights at the Filmore East in NYC this man recorded some of the most amazing music I've ever heard. If you want to hear the whole concert, play Eat a Peach and live at the Filmore back to back. 6. John Lennon (mostly for Cold Turkey, my favorite guitar solo of all time) 7. Doc Watson- blue grass country guitar wizard and a GREAT Singer!! My favorite album is Docabilly! 8. John McLaughlin- front man for Mahavishnu Orchestra. My Goals Beyond is a must have. 9. Mike McCready (from Pearl Jam--I never knew his name before--I just had to look it up on the PJ website. He's great!!) 10. Robbie Krieger-Doors lead guitarist. do it Robbie, do it. Honorable Mentions: Nancy Wilson - with sister Ann fronted the band HEART. Listen to her play Even it Up acoustically (on Live at McCabes) and you get a real picture of her great guitar style (without all the echo machines!) Nick Drake - I've just discovered this quirky sentimental wierdo from the early 70s. Another one who died too early but I'm listening to his first three albums on the recommendation of a friend and he sounds like he stole a lot of Joni's guitar tunings to fit his sad little songs. My brother asked me never to listen to this guy if I was feeling depressed...Ha ha, like when I would put blankets over the window, get drunk and listen to Blue over and over and over and over again! been there, done that!!! :-) But this guy is a very good guitarist. Hope this helps! ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:14:38 EST From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: five fave guitarists Yep, Joni is a given. 1. John McLaughlin 2. Pat Metheny 3. Jimmy Page 4. Michael Hedges 5. Duane Allman Also have to mention Jimi Hendrix, Pete Townsend, Carlos Santana, Paco Delucia, Earl Klugh, Leslie West, Bonnie Raitt, Jeff Peevar and the great Keith Partridge. - - Clark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:30:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: ENYA ''a day without rain''... that would be a good title for buenos aires... NOT! anyway, thanks for the news mike! i remembered how i loved enya when i first ''when the evening comes''. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Mike Hicks Enviado el: Miércoles, 01 de Noviembre de 2000 12:25 p.m. Para: njmc CC: njmc@smoe.org Asunto: ENYA Hey all you Enya fans. Go and pick up the new Enya release "A Day Without Rain". I'm getting mine soon. I'm sure it will be good. Anyone interested let me know. I'll give my opinion. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:39:01 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Equal time for favorite pianists/keybaord players Well since everyone's having SO much fun with the fave guitarist thread ... thought I'd widen the topic a bit, and see which ticklers of ivories have caught listeners fancy. Now as a demon keyboard player myself, I'm breaking it up: Favorite pianists: Keith Jarrett (the Richard Thompson of the piano) Herbie Hancock Dave Grusin Joe Jackson Bruce Hornsby (I'd include Joni, of course, but she's really my favorite EX-painist ... so sad) Favorite keyboardists: Benmont Tench Tony Banks Stevie Wonder Chick Corea Vangelis Can't wait to follow this one. Don Rowe ===== My debut CD "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:56:46 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Top 100 Guitarists of All Time I knew I would find it eventually: Guitar.com has a top 100 list for your perusal: http://www.guitar.com/g2kfeatures/viewfeature.asp?featureID=12 that should open up about four weeks of arguments!!! Especially since Joni is 74!! sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:25:17 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: 5 OTHER Guitars Well I guess Joni doesn't count even thought she is my fave, but 5 OTHER guitar players would be: Eric Johnson (who has a new record out that is fantastic GO BUY IT MARCEL!) Steve Howe (a true wizard) Jimmy Page (unbeliveable song structure) Bill Dillon (a master at his craft and Joni likes him too and is on so many recordings, check out Fumbling Towards Ecstacy, U2, Robbie Robertson, Counting Crows, TI, NRH, etc. etc.) Marian Russell (who re-inspired me back to my guitar) Of course I could mention the many other guitar players that I really love, but is that fair? John McLaughlin, Jimi Hendrix, George Harrison, Paco de Lucia, Katsumi Watanabi, Sonny Landreth, Steve Morse, Robben Ford, Frank Zappa, Steve Vai, Paul Gilbert, Strunz and Farah, Toninho Horta, ANY Brazilian guitarist, Joe Pass, Mike Landau, Pat Metheny, John Scofield, Leni Stern, Mike Stern, Tuck Andress, Al Dimeola, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Daniel Lanois, Scott Henderson, Dave Matthews, Tim Reynolds, Pete Townsend, , Mark Whitfield, Wes Montgomery, Ry Cooder, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Jeff Pevar, Neil Young, Steven Stills, Michael Hedges, Paul Simon, Lindsey Buckingham, Jan Akkerman I could go on forever cause yes I AM a music junkie/slut. One thing I found kinda strange is no one picked (that I caught) Eddie Van Halen. He is a great guitarist, but I am not even sure he would make my top 100. Also I wanted to comment on Frank Marino. This made me laugh cause it reminded me of my brother who took me to see Mahogany Rush in Detroit when they opened for Ted Nugent at the Masonic Temple. I remember there was some hoopla about him dropping acid and waking up in the hospital and he could play guitar like Jimi Hendrix or some shit like that. I still have their first album somewhere, I will have to dig it out and listen to it again. Have a great day!! Paz NP-Don't Let It Bring You Down-Neil Young ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 00 10:36:00 MST From: db.ireland@usa.net Subject: halloween Hey everyone....I'm Danielle from NY. I just wanted to let everyone know what a great show I saw last night. Medeski, Martin, and Wood played at the Beacon and it was incredible. I don't think I have danced that much in my life. I love talented musicians! Bye! ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 09:57:03 -0800 From: Andy Baio Subject: Re: 5 fave guitarists I have to jump in here, because my favorite guitarist has yet to be mentioned... 1. Bill Frisell! If you haven't listened to "Nashville," "Good Dog, Happy Man," "Have a Little Faith," "Bill Frisell Quartet," and "Gone, Just Like a Train," you're missing out. Melodic, emotional roots-jazz. 2. Ry Cooder 3. Joni Mitchell 4. Jeff Beck/Jimmy Page (tie) 5. Pat Metheny And check out this article from the Joni Mitchell Discussion list that takes on the whole "greatest guitarist" debate in depth. http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980521sdu.cfm -- Andy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:18:48 -0800 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Favorite pianists There are so many, but here's a few names to keep the thread going: Thelonious Monk! Bud Powell Elton John (I think he's largely underrated because of being a pop guy) Elbernita "Twinkie" Clark of the Clark Sisters (contemporary gospel - simply fantastic!) Fats Waller Brenda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:51:38 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: my fav guitarists Lead: Jimi Hendrix Mark Knopfler Jeff Pevar Pat Metheny Mr Dave Lindley Rhythm: Joni Mitchell Shawn Colvin Neil Young Keith Richards (the only one of all ten who I have not heard live) Richie Havens ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:54:13 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Church & Nature Hey Rose I remember fondly the Watchung Reservation you spoke of! (also, I second Paz's recommendation for another kind of opinion...my prayers are with you). Speaking of Nature & Church, I couldn't resist posting this song from my cd (more shameless promotion). I love this tree & nature thread! Home Walkin up here Away from it all And looking down The world appears so small High on this mountain I can see far In every direction The sky is clear There will be stars tonight Walkin up here The world again right Here is my church This sacred ground And my resurrection Water on stone Returning to the river Feels like I'm finally home Tell me a story Sing me a song Give me something To last forever High on this mountain I can see far In every direction Water on stone Returning to the river Feels like I'm finally home ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:47:54 -0500 From: Ken Subject: Re: 5 fave guitarists In no particular order: George Harrison (His lead in "One after 909" is my all time favourite) though John Lennon is no slouch and I adore his rhythm playing on the earlier Beatles albums and one of my favourites of his is similar to Cold Turkey (Sue) and called "It's So Hard" Bruce Cockburn Emily Remler (specially for "Searching") Lenny Breau for his jazz stuff David Gilmor Is that 5 already? Mark Knopfler, Martin Barre (I also didn't know his name) simply to many jazz guitarist to name (or remember) such as Ed Bickert, Kenny Burrell, + Chet Atkins, Stanley Jordan, Keith Richards and of course Joni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:08:53 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: VG-8 versus VG-88 Hello Gang- For those of you who are interested, there is a review of the new VG-88 from Roland in the November issue of Electronic Musician. The reviewer, Jeff Burger, thinks it is wonderful, but I don't think this guy ever really played a VG-8. He also failed to mention Joni Mitchell at all, so what the hell does he know? I believe there are many shortcomings in the VG-88, above all sound quality. I think this due mostly to the people who actually program the "patches" in the thing were not as good programming as our friend Gary White who did all the original stuff for the VG-8 (and Joni). You would think that a second generation product would be better than it's predecessor, but in this case it is NOT. For people like myself who own the original, you would think that your programs done there would work on the newer version, but not vice versa. They are not either way. This is a problem for me since I have spent several years getting my patches just right I don't feel like going thru that madness again. The new Roland amp is kinda cool, but I still like the VG-8 better. I sincerely hope that Roland DOES NOT abandon this technology and goes forward trying to build a better mouse trap and when they do, at least make it so my tunings and stuff will transfer over. Later Paz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:06:04 -0600 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: Favorite pianists hmm... well... this depends on the genre of music. So I'll try to picks my favorites REGARDLESS of genre. Tori Amos - this woman is amazing. Whether on piano, keyboard, or harpsichord-- she amazes me. She's really a sight to see. Bill Evans - jazz legend. Incredible. Brad Mehldau-- young up-and-comer jazz pianist that has made quite a splash! He's already got 7 albums out-- plus a lot of soundtrack work. Check him out! Martha Argerich - if you haven't heard her perform Prokofiev's third piano concerto yet-- do it. It is simply stunning. there we go. eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Brenda J. Walker Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 12:19 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Favorite pianists There are so many, but here's a few names to keep the thread going: Thelonious Monk! Bud Powell Elton John (I think he's largely underrated because of being a pop guy) Elbernita "Twinkie" Clark of the Clark Sisters (contemporary gospel - simply fantastic!) Fats Waller Brenda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:14:38 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Re: 5 OTHER Guitars Hi Peg- Bill Dillon is a friend of mine from Hamilton, Canada whre Mags (list member) lives. He was responsible for alot of the "sound" of Sarah McLachlans record "Fumbling Towards Ecstacy" as well as some of here earlier stuff. He is conctasntly working with Danile Lanois and Malcome Burn (two Canadian Producers) and his work can be found on countless recordings over the past 10-15 years. Jan Akkerman was in a group called Focus who had a hit called Hocus Pocus played on 70's rock radio stations to this day. Marian Russell is a list member. Horta is a Brazialian guitarist. Katsumi Watnabe is a Japanese guitarist. Frank Marino is the guitar player in a band called Mahaogany Rush. Best Michael - ----- Original Message ----- From: Peg Eves To: Michael Paz Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 3:14 PM Subject: RE: 5 OTHER Guitars > Briefly if you could Paz - who are Bill Dillon, Marian Russell, Frank > Marino, Jan Akkerman, Horta , Watanabi . . . > > >Peg > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:10:59 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Five Fave Guitarists Joni Rory Gallagher Albert King Jimi Hendrix Pat Metheny pat NP: Metheny & Brecker - North Sea Jazz Festival 2000 http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:11:38 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: FIVE FAVE GUITARISTS Jumping in with five favorite guitarists: 1. Michael Hedges 2. Carlos Montoya 3. Steve Howe (Yes) 4. Chet Atkins 5. Roy Clark TIE 5. Melchor de Marchena Sorry all, but Joni wouldn't even make my top ten. Nor would Clapton or Santana, not when the world is filled with major classical and flamenco virtuosos on the instrument. She is very innovative with guitar tunings, and she comes up with some nice alternative sounds, but she's not my favorite. In fact, I can hardly listen to Tiger Bones without the lyrics -- it sounds bland to me. However, Joni would be number one on the list of my favorite singers, number one for favorite musicians of all time, and number two for composers (after Ludwig). Regards from the depths of busy insanity, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:18:45 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Favorite pianists Katy Webster George Winston Tchiakovsky Fred Simon George Shearing ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:59:36 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: pianists You've started a good one, Don! 1. Keith Jarrett- has to be top of the list- absolutely sublime! 2. Thelonious Monk- nothing need be said 3. Carla Bley- innovative and quirky 4. Richard Beirach- smooth, for years part of the ECM crowd 5. Brad Mehldau- new, young a touch of Keith Jarrett- brilliant 5. Lyle Mays, Bill Evans, Paul Bley, Oscar Peterson, Elton John, Herbie Hancock....... As for Keyboardists: Brian Auger, Chick Corea- I guess Gary Burton doesn't quite fit in here- where does one classify a vibraphone?? Regards, Stephen in Vancouver NP: Hendrix- Band of Gypsys- Jimi, Buddy Miles and Bill Cox live @the Fillmore NYC 1969 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:17:40 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Glenn Plotner Subject: Re: 5 (yeah right) Top Guitarists Ooooooooooh...this is too hard!!! I'm exempting Joni. 1. Jimi Hendrix 2. Stevie Ray Vaughan 3. Alvin Lee (Ten Years After) 4. Buddy Guy 5. Carlos Santana 6. Roy Buchanan 7. Robin Trower 8. Peter Green 9. Rory Gallagher 10. 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Also, David Crosby will by a guest on ABC's "Politically Incorrect" Friday Nov 3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:39:16 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Don Freed on Joni (long) FYI... - -Julius ____________________________ The Globe Review Beyond the star-making machine Joni Mitchell's friend Don Freed has looked at life from both sides now - and he's chosen his songwriting work with kids and his Saskatoon apartment over Mitchell's mansion SHEILA ROBERTSON SPECIAL TO THE GLOBE AND MAIL 11/01/2000 The Globe and Mail National R4 All material copyright Thomson Canada Limited or its licensors. All rights reserved. SASKATOON -- Singer and songwriter Don Freed is a study in contrasts, like the dappling of sunlight and shadow on a forest floor. He's been in the spotlight, and shared it with such performers as Johnny Cash, but he also likes his low-key life in Saskatoon. He's been Joni Mitchell's consort for seven years, but they mostly live separately. "It's easy," he says, of making a relationship work when she's in a Bel Air mansion and he's in a little apartment in a Prairie city. "Neither of us cohabits well. We're always working on something and we both need a lot of solitude." He adds, too, that Mitchell casts "kind of a big shadow to be in. She's a big celebrity. We can be in the most obscure places for a holiday and it turns into a walking autograph party." He's adamant about not being "thought of in terms of somebody else. In order to do what I do, I've got to retain a sense of self." The project that's kept him rooted in Saskatchewan for the past eight years is a songwriting venture with children in isolated communities. This month, he's visiting schools in the northern towns of Creighton and Wollaston Lake, adding more songs to his collection of several hundred. In the coming months, he hopes to record 40 of these songs with the youngsters who helped create them, then to release the work on his own Bushleague Records label next year. When he gets together with Mitchell, "it's kind of interesting," Freed says. "I might be dining with the King of Sweden and staying in a suite at the Waldorf-Astoria, and a couple of days later I'll be sleeping on the floor in some reserve, eating native M and Ms" -- his slang term for moose meat and muskeg tea. He allows he's become "more worldly" as a result of his relationship with Mitchell. He points to a photo of her with Bob Dylan, whose songs he sang along with his own when, as a skinny teenager, he began performing at coffeehouses in 1965. "I took that picture, in Japan," he says. Mitchell's mother, who lives in Saskatoon, introduced her to Freed in 1993. "We'd both gone through a period of no relationships in our lives," he notes. "I was getting older and I was worrying that I was so solitary and wondering what kind of a relationship I could possibly have. It turned out she was thinking along the same lines." Shortly after they met, he moved to Los Angeles to be with her "and basically sat around a pool for six months." He discovered "I can't do that." Now they visit back and forth, but he's based in a tiny, third-floor apartment on Saskatoon's west side, not far from the neighbourhood in which he grew up in the fifties and sixties. He lives simply. He has no car, and for years, he didn't even have a television but, he admits with a smile, "Those winters can get awfully long. I mostly watch nature shows, though." It's not that he doesn't enjoy the limelight, says Freed, as he sips iced tea and plays with an unlit cigarette. But he wants the real thing, not a reflected glow. He's finally finding a sense of real achievement now in his multifaceted project with school children. "I've never been superfocused on anything until this," he says. His childhood heroes were inventors and he claimed he'd become "either a scientist or a hobo" when he grew up. As a troubadour, he's been closer to the latter. "I've just meandered and written songs. Maybe it's my Metis blood, just following the river, because all my relatives were voyageurs and traders." At 51, Freed, who admits he was a "horrible" student ("If I was in school now, I'd be taking Ritalin"), has finally found his niche in the classroom, with animated students surrounding him and his guitar. But he's particular about not being known as a children's performer. On his business card, Freed describes himself as a "creative facilitator/performer." In collaboration with kids in isolated communities throughout Saskatchewan -- where many share his Metis heritage -- he's created hundreds of songs touching on their experiences and interests. The verses, some poignant and others rollicking, are filled with ravens and sasquatches, bears and bannock. A much-requested song, wherever he goes, is Me and My Skunk, from Pinehouse Lake. At school assemblies at Turnor Lake, the students sing their song, about catching suckers at the bridge. Freed is now doing his last songwriting workshops in northern schools, sponsored by Saskatchewan Education and the Ile-a-la-Crosse school division. Ultimately, the songs and accompanying material in Cree, Dene and Michif (a patois of Cree and French) will be part of the provincial school curriculum. Freed has hired a professional fundraiser to secure the $125,000 necessary to produce a double album, Our Very Own Songs. If all goes well, he'll release it and an accompanying songbook and a CD-ROM next fall. There are also plans for a Web site, connecting these youngsters with children around the world. Sure, he agrees, he could ask Mitchell to bankroll this ambitious project. "But I wouldn't want to do that," he says firmly. It's the time in Saskatoon's Cosmic Pad recording studio with engineer Ross Nykiforuk, that will be expensive. "Bed tracks" of the songs, containing only the instrumentals, will be sent to the schools so that the youngsters who wrote each song (or their younger siblings) will be able to rehearse. Later, Freed and Nykiforuk will record the vocals with the children before taking them back to the studio for mixing. While it has afforded him only a "meagre" living over the past eight years, this work is a calling to Freed. It represents a fusion of impulses and incidents he initially couldn't understand. Some of the early breaks in Freed's career came through his serendipitous association with Johnny Cash. When he attended a Cash concert in Calgary in 1968, he was picked as a quintessential fan by a crew making a documentary about Cash and ended up being taken to Nashville for more scenes. Not long afterwards, Cash invited Freed, the hometown boy, up on stage at a Saskatoon concert to sing a couple of songs. Ironically, the documentary was panned when it came out a year later, but Freed got a favourable mention in the New York Times. This led to a personal management and recording contract for the young musician in New York City. Strangely, though, all the while he was a fledgling songwriter in New York in the early 1970s, he felt compelled to work in northern Saskatchewan -- a part of the province he'd never visited. Instead, he returned to Saskatoon and embarked on a career singing in bars and producing his own recordings. His first, in 1981, was Off in All Directions, a reference to his diverse musical interests, that embraced, then as now, country, folk and pop genres. He had a revelation in 1989, discovering his Metis ancestry at the funeral of his great-aunt in Duck Lake, Sask. He had thought he was French and Swedish, but now he learned, for example, that Gabriel Dumont was a great-great uncle. He was still avidly researching his roots when another northern community, Labrador's Davis Inlet, dominated headlines in 1992, following the tragic suicides of despondent young Innu. "And every cell in my body said to do something, to create a positive story." In the early seventies, he'd visited a friend at a fly-in reserve in the north. "I noticed how great the kids were, walking around with their arms around each other in little clusters. They weren't whiny, bratty, mean-spirited kids." With the arrival of television, they began comparing their lives to the glamorous worlds they saw on the screen, he says, "and their self-esteem just plummeted. I knew there was a lot of positive energy up there and I wanted to go up there and get it." With the blessings of the Saskatchewan education ministry and the Northern Lights School Division, Freed arrived in Jans Bay, population 100, in 1992. He'd never performed for children and had no children's repertoire. However, he says, "If the heart is in a sincere place, it finds a way." He began by singing Old Macdonald Had a Farm, and it went on for 45 minutes "because they wanted every animal in creation in there . . . a raven, a bear, a moose. They wanted their own world reflected in the song, and that told me a great deal." Freed himself secretly started writing stories at age 7 and songs a few years later. He'd write one line on top of another, a code to ensure nobody else could read it. "I'd stay up all night and hum under my pillow, and go to school every day sleep-deprived." He savours the irony in "taking the same energy that made me a bad student back into the classroom and doing this project. "If someone had come into my classroom when I was in Grade 2 and said 'We're gonna write a song,' I wouldn't have had to write one line over the other." Illustration ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:15:53 -0500 From: "Brian Workman" Subject: Re: Favorite pianists OK, Leon Russell Bruce Hornsby Bill Payne (Feat) Billy Preston Chuck Leavell - ----- Original Message ----- From: Brenda J. Walker To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: Favorite pianists > There are so many, but here's a few names to keep the thread going: > > Thelonious Monk! > Bud Powell > Elton John (I think he's largely underrated because of being a pop guy) > Elbernita "Twinkie" Clark of the Clark Sisters (contemporary gospel - > simply fantastic!) > Fats Waller > > Brenda > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:38:24 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Don Freed Julius - Thank you for posting the great article on Don Freed!! Interesting to get his take on the relationship with Joni. Very interesting to me also was his relationship to Gabriel Dumont. Dumont was Louis Riel's right-hand man in the Saskatchewan Meti uprising of around 1880. Joni's first gig was at the Louis Riel Coffeehouse. Coincidence, or.... :) - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:39:19 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite pianists Jerry Notaro wrote: >>Katy Webster >>George Winston >>Tchiakovsky >>Fred Simon >>George Shearing Jerry ... I love you maaaan!! - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:31:50 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #574 i forgot santana, clapton, & cooder- no way five is possible... & i just remembered i HAVE heard Keith live, a looooong time ago.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:03:09 EST From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Foni Mitchell live (FC - Foni content) Hello everyone - more gig news. Saturday 11th November - The Waggon & Horses, Adderely Street, Digbeth, Birmingham (England). Bye for now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 19:09:03 -0600 From: "Susan" Subject: RE: 5 Top Guitarists (VLJC) Well finally someone mentions - Alvin Lee! One of the best performances from Woodstock (the real one). I have been observing the choices and so many are so good. But not being a musician, and tuning much more in to voices and the song as a whole, I didn't feel really qualified . So I tried to think of which guitarists songs or their actual performances have stood out in my memory since the mid 60's. As far as really looking at their body of work besides Joni and Jimi I am no connoisseur. I do remember great moments with Carlos Santana & Alvin Lee. Also remembering Jeff Beck and David Gilmour enough to add them. So I can't add either! Actually when I saw Santana he opened for Clapton, note he does not make my list. Even if my list would go on, although I adore Cream, - Stevie Ray and a good many Blues guitarist (being from Chicago) would surpass Clapton. Who I see as an impostor in the Blues world. I am ready to be stoned now - have at me. This in no way started out as a Clapton bashing, he just seems so diluted the past 10 years or so. Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:19:43 -0000 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Axilar Moonrise Hello All I was just reading that article about DJRD posted in Today In Joni History and It says that the painting that we know as Axilar Moonrise was actually called 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and depicts a couple entwined and a woman in the distance. I always thought it was a painting of A whale!!! Maybe it's one of those parentheses titles like Sweet Sucker Dance (Abundance and Decline) You Turn Me On (I'm A Radio) Chinese Cafe (Does Great Chow Mein) Can someone do a parody about 'You Turn Me On (I'm A Gigolo)' It would be interesting to do don'tcha think? Much Joni (and don't have glaucoma) Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:37:10 -0600 From: dave and beth fairall Subject: fave guitarists / piano players Have to join the fun.... Guitar: 1) Pat Metheny 2) Bill Frissell 3) John Scofield 4) Robben Ford 5) Jimi Hendrix 6) Pat Martino 7) Mike Stern 8) Jeff Beck Piano; 1) Herbie Hancock 2) Joe Zawinal 3) Art Tatum 4) Oscar Peterson 5) Nils Lan Doky 6) Chick Corea 7) Kenny Kirkland 8) Joey Calderazzo Dave Fairall Baltimore ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:30:08 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Favorite pianists/keyboardists Whether composer and/or performer - Laura Nyro David Benoit Stevie Wonder Michael Ruff Jimmy Webb Joni Billy Joel Elton Bill Champlin Fred Simon (mee, too) Tori Amos And geez, I don't think any of us remembered Jonatha Brooke fo fave/best/fantastic guitarist! An egregious omission! ;-) Kakki NP: Joni live at The Specturm 1976 - Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:07:44 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Don Freed / Chuck Mitchell <>Beyond the star-making machine Joni Mitchell's friend Don Freed has looked at life from both sides now - and he's chosen his songwriting work with kids and his Saskatoon apartment over Mitchell's mansion>> Thanks for this insight into Don Freed. This is somewhat unrelated, but this article made me think about the time I went to see Chuck Mitchell at a small coffee house in northern Wisconsin (when I was in college.) I only went because I knew he had been married to Joni and I even bought one of his albums. (I think he did "The Circle Game" on it...) Did anyone else hear him in concert? And, does anyone know what he's doing now? Kerry ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #419 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?