From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #415 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, October 29 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 415 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni's BD Card [JoniMessages@aol.com] Trees ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni's BD Card ["Kakki" ] Re: Trees ["Mark or Travis" ] VideoTree #2 Sign ups are HERE!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Joni's BD Card [Jerry Notaro ] Genuine junk male - nothing in particular ["william" ] Re: So Neil can't play guitar solos, can Joni? [Siresorrow@aol.com] but ... she'll check it out. [dogbyte@aloha.net (french)] Niel Young Live!!!! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] the soul of a tree [dogbyte@aloha.net (french)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 03:43:52 EDT From: JoniMessages@aol.com Subject: Joni's BD Card Thanks to all who contributed to Joni's birthday card for this year by contributing ideas, artwork, or message suggestions. I've put up a draft of the card with the message that got the most votes, written by, well, um, me! Sue Cooper put a hi-res copy of her painting in the mail and I'll be doing the final version as soon as I receive it, so it should get to Joni in plenty of time. Until then, you can check out the card draft at http://www.jonimitchell.com/BDCard/BDcardArt.html if you're interested. jj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:55:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Trees When I was a young girl I used to go out in my back woods to a special tree that had an almost horizontal branch that I used to lie on & hug & feel the tree energy. Especially when I was feeling bad it would give me great comfort & peace. I felt love for that tree like I loved my dog & cat. I wonder if that tree is still there & how big it must be now. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:59:11 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's BD Card The birthday card is beautiful and very sweet, Jim. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:06:33 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Trees > When I was a young girl I used to go out in my back woods to a special tree > that had an almost horizontal branch that I used to lie on & hug & feel the > tree energy. Especially when I was feeling bad it would give me great > comfort & peace. I felt love for that tree like I loved my dog & cat. I > wonder if that tree is still there & how big it must be now. Now I'm reminded of the big maple tree that grew in the front yard of the house I grew up in. I used to love to 'climb up in the branches just to sway there in some breeze.' I used to get as near to the top as I could. Our house was on a hill and this tree was very tall. About all that was visible from up there was a sea of trees (Bilbo climbing the tree in Mirkwood always reminded me of it) and I remember I could see one of the buildings way downtown on the bluff overlooking the Mississippi. Trees are miraculous beings. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:44:39 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: VideoTree #2 Sign ups are HERE!!! The Moment you've been waiting for is here! With a great deal of help and Seed material from simon, and signup pages by Les, ANNOUNCING: VideoTree #2, Consisting of: Volume #1:    CBC NEWS ~ The National     re: Mendel Gallery 'VOICES' Exhibition ~ June 30, 2000   Mendel Gallery PRESS CONFERENCE     Saskatoon, Saskatchewan ~ June 30, 2000   'VOICES' Exhibition ~ A Short Tour     Saskatoon, Saskatchewan ~ June 30, 2000   'VOICES' Exhibition ~ Opening Remarks     Saskatoon, Saskatchewan ~ June 30, 2000   MAIDSTONE ~ A Short Tour Of Joni's Hometown     Maidstone, Saskatchewan ~ July 1, 2000 The CBC news consists of a short news report of the "Voices" exhibit, as well as a very short segment of them interviewing yours truly. The Mendel Press Conference is a question and answer session with Joni and members of the Press at the Mendel Gallery the afternoon before the official opening. This is followed by a 'Tour' through the Gallery, showing the individual paintings. (There will be a multi-page document that will accompany the videos containing painting titles, dates, medium, and notes, thanks to Rick Hobbs and Linda Montelione.) Next are opening remarks by various dignitaries and people involved in making this exhibit happen. Finally, we take a very home-movie tour through Maidstone, where Joni lived during her very young years. Except for the CBC segment, this footage was taken by me in Saskatoon, and Maidstone, Saskatchewan. (Please understand this is not "professional" footage.)   :-) Volume #2:   JONIMITCHELL                                                                                                  'THEWAY IT IS' ~ CBC-TV  (Broadcast 12-24-67)        Night In The City                                 The Gift Of The Magi                               The Circle Game              'THE WAY IT IS' ~ CBC-TV  (Broadcast 12-31-67)        The Dawntrader                                    The Way It Is                               'THE WAY IT IS' ~ CBC-TV  (Broadcast 0?-0?-68)        The Way It Is          'INTIMATE& INTERACTIVE'  (Broadcast 09-23-94)   MuchMusic TV Studios ~ Toronto, Ontario       Sex Kills      Moon At The Window      Magdalene Laundries      Hejira       Cherokee Louise     Night Ride Home     The Crazy Cries Of Love     The Fishbowl (A Poem)          Just Like This Train      Facelift   John Wilson's 'MINI-MUSICALS'      Big Yellow Taxi     Both Sides, Now  MTV 'INFLUENCES' Promo     Got 'Til It's Gone        Janet Jackson (Featuring Q-Tip & Joni Mitchell) This second tape is a wonderful Volume, with a mixture of some very early footage (1967 & 1968) from a Canadian TV Show called "The Way It Is", through the year 2000. The early material is the earliest video I've seen to date, and is excellent quality, especially for early black and white TV. The "Intimate and Interactive" has Joni singing many songs interspersed with answers from questions from the studio audience, phone lines, and the internet. John Wilson's Mini-Musicals are animated shorts of "Big Yellow Taxi" and "Both Sides, Now" which are really fun. The second Volume wraps up with a MTV Influences Promo and Janet Jackson. BRANCHS: To sign up as a branch (you are willing to dub tapes for others) please go to:  http://www.jmdl.com/trading/branchsignup.cfm Branch sign ups will be kept open until November 4th. **NOTE** Even if you have already volunteered to be a branch and have sent your tapes to me, please sign up here so I can keep it organized. Thank you so much!! LEAVES: To sign up as a leaf please go to:   http://www.jmdl.com/trading/leafsignup.cfm Leaf sign ups will be kept open until November 18th. Many thanks to Simon, Les, Rick and Linda for all their help! I really hope you enjoy this long-awaited VideoTree. Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:53:24 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's BD Card It's a lovely card. I'm sure she will enjoy it. Jerry np: Mingus Ah Um (The real Mingus) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 03:05:59 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Genuine junk male - nothing in particular Steve, I loved the quote you cited from Leopole Stokowski. +ADw-A painter paints pictures on a canvass, a musician paints from silence.+AD4- Man can silence be a blank deafening. +ACI-Looking for some sweet inspiration, oh well.+ACI- I've taken to playing the Beatles with that Joni chop chop clunk strum. Incongruous? The problem with the Fab 4 is that they are so-o-o-o definitive. Lennon +ACY- McCartney. Even above Jo... However, Penny Lane a la Joni has its moments: if I may say so mysel-i-f. Has to be heard to be unbelieved. It's more than interesting to hear top pops doing covers. Annie Lennox's Medusa seemed to make the covers all her own. I can't sing +ACI-Wait in Vain+ACI- any other way now than AL's. Oh to hear Joni doing something more contemporary than the pseudo revival of BSN. She didn't bring anything new to them there songs IMHO. I love BSN btw :) But hey Joni's getting on. 57 next 7th. She's no pop chicken. The woman has given us so much. I wanna state that with undying affirmation. I'm merely going into the second conditional tense and wishing she'd surprise us all by not doing +ACI-only good songs were written 50 years ago+ACI- (as if she's unaware of that), if she has to cover at all, but doing some recent classics. I've gone way off the original point of writing this post (which was nuttin anyway) so excuse my rambling rantings. Joni is never featured on Fantastic Female type albums or Modern Diva compilations, much to my chagrin, Yet again I feel she shouldn't be. Above that and all that. Joni paints loud from silent canvasses. There's a lot of painting by numbers going on these days and our Joni seems to have a 1,2, a 1,2,3,4 out-numbered them all. Just felt like posting. A genuine junk male from a juvenile. Who is Leopole Stokowski anyway? Willy the Shake Neither a borrower nor a lender be - f'cough NP - fave of the noo +ACI-Otis and Marlena+ACI- under Foster Gra ...... Have yoursel-v-e-s a great Sunny Sunday. Any Joni relevant to Hello'ween? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 22:11:56 +0100 From: "Steve" Subject: So Neil can't play guitar solos, can Joni? What a super thread for us wannabie guitar heroes, It's a funny old world indeed, there are are as many valid choices of guitar heroes as there are people to choose them IMO. And as an example marcel said << His one note lead solos like in Down By The River were pretty banal next to the other guys mentioned above. marcel deste >> Those self same one note guitar solos just blew me away, anyone who could wring such emotion and supercharged feeling out of a lump of wood and metal, was a damn fine virtuoso IMHO. The fact that he only played one note in some of his solos was for me deliberate. John Peel ( the UK's most respected DJ ) summed Neil's playing up for me, he said "When Neil Young plays a solo he plays as if he knows that elusive note is in there somewhere and he's damn well going to find it " From: Siresorrow@aol.com <> .<< and he..in MY HUMBLE OPINION...is no where even in the same league as any guitar virtuoso/i like page or howe or hendrix or clapton or so on and so forth.>> For me the number of notes per minute never comes into it, "It's not what you've got, it's the way that you use it ". Clapton, Page and Howe are great guitar players but not of the three play in a way that moves me like Neil does. Which brings me to Joni, where does she come in your list of virtuosos. She doesn't play any solos. Anyone, IMHO, who stands alone up on a stage in front of an audience with a guitar, is a solo player. In my book, I must admit Joni's style of playing washes sounds at my brain in a way that Clapton/Howe/Page etc never can. In a poll of the 100 Greatest Guitar Players of all time, in Mojo magazine June 96. Neil came 9th and Joni came in at No 77. All that proves is that this was the choice of the couple of thousand readers of that magazine at that time.Similarly in Guitarist magazine in Oct 98 in their Top Ten Female guitar players, guess who came top ? But of course it was herself. Which explanation gets me precicely nowhere and brings me back to where I started. But it surely is a great thread. So here's the players who rattle my cage best. My FAVE FIVE GUITAR PLAYERS OF ALL TIME ( well for today anyway) 1.Neil and Joni ( No kiddin, I can't separate them. Sychophant ! Do I hear ) 2.(This way I get to name 6 ) Stevie Ray Vaughan 3.Rory Gallagher 4.Peter Green ( as was) 5.Dickie Betts and Duane ( OK, so it's my thread)Warren was cool too. " I don't know much about pickles, but I know what I like".........Tom Paxton Steve.............the impossible dreamer NP. Neil Young and Crazy Horse .....Like a Hurricane For a guitar lesson on one note solos check out the live netcast of Neil's Bridge School Benefit this weekend at http://www.intel.com/home/feature/bridge.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 17:31:02 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Trees I am also enjoying this thread about trees. I've always loved the forest at any time of the year. I love the light playing off the limbs and leaves. Very inspirational for drawing. I think that trees parallel human life. There are the old ones, the young ones, the ones with missing limbs, the ones cut down for no reason sometimes, the ones that dance so gracefully in the wind. The trees in the forest not only provide a home for the wild life that lives there but also a home for the heart to come back to. Trees go dormant in the winter. This parallels my involvement on this list right now due to a multitude of commitments this Fall. I'll be back soon ...... :-) Heather At 12:55 AM 10/28/00 -0700, Kate Bennett wrote: >When I was a young girl I used to go out in my back woods to a special tree >that had an almost horizontal branch that I used to lie on & hug & feel the >tree energy. Especially when I was feeling bad it would give me great >comfort & peace. I felt love for that tree like I loved my dog & cat. I >wonder if that tree is still there & how big it must be now. > >******************************************** >Kate Bennett > >featured this month at Taylor Guitars >www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ > >www.katebennett.com >www.cdbaby.com/katebennett >www.amazon.com > >******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:35:50 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: So Neil can't play guitar solos, can Joni? In a message dated 10/28/00 5:26:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rustiescot@LineOne.net writes: << For me the number of notes per minute never comes into it, "It's not what you've got, it's the way that you use it ". Clapton, Page and Howe are great guitar players but not of the three play in a way that moves me like Neil does. Which brings me to Joni, where does she come in your list of virtuosos. She doesn't play any solos. >> well...as i named the three above,..speed was never ever a part of my appreciation of them. or note's per minute. you know.....how many note's per minute can you play on a guitar with a bow? to me, the issue of virtuoso was more...who did what first? not many people will say much more has ever been done with an electric guitar than what jimmi hendrix did. he was the qunatum change. after that...it was shades of change. i don't think joni or neil can compare in that arena. they are different languages. one is singer songwriter...open tunings...guitar and harmonica...harmony....while the other is sheer expression on six strings in modal form. they are different languages to me. neither one better than the other, but both losing something in the translation of comparison. patrick np. j. brooke - blood from a stone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:41:26 -1000 (HST) From: dogbyte@aloha.net (french) Subject: but ... she'll check it out. lori wrote; >Blue was released in 1971, a time when the attitude of >a girl from the prairie might still be a bit >conservative, or at least not as "worldly" as it would >later become. looking in my 'joni mitchell companion' book, the first photo at the newport falls festival 1967, has joni wearing a striped dress, a great big grin and (what we call around here) a case of 'bubble eye' which always occurs after you take your 'glaucoma' medicine. the second photo is of her and leonard cohen and it looks like he get the bubble eye too......now what did i do with that roach???? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 20:01:58 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Niel Young Live!!!! Go here for a live broadcast of Neil Young. This year's concerts include performances by Neil Young, Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, Dave Matthews Band, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Beck, Foo Fighters, Tegan & Sara. Live coverage begins right here at 5:00pm PT on Saturday, October 28 and 2:00pm PT on Sunday, October 29. From the webcast options below, Check this out! http://www.bridgeschool.org/events.html# - -Rose in NJ NP: Neil Young Live!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:55:04 -1000 (HST) From: dogbyte@aloha.net (french) Subject: the soul of a tree CC wrote; The question being something like "have you ever made an attachment to an >inanimate object?"... Wow, I've wanted to tell someone about this for a >long time, but couldn't bear the thought of a dumbfounded stare/rolling eye >response. hi CC, what a beautiful and sad story you've shared, thank you.(weeping) as a multigenerational woodworker i have an 'ingrained' fondness for trees and have studied, among others, japanese techniques and theory of construction and joinery. it is said that they were several centuries ahead in sophistication of their craft. inevitably every book on the subject begins with the trees soul or spirit. the value system symbolized by Shinto beliefs stressed love and respect for wood as a living organism. a tree is believed to possess a spirit and a carpenter, when he cuts down a tree , incurs a moral debt. one of the themes that runs throughout japanese culture is the belief that nature expects from man a price for coexistence. a carpenter must put a tree to uses that assures its continued existence, preferably as a thing of beauty to be treasured for centuries. there is a prayer that was recited before laying a saw to a standing tree that goes in part "i vow to commit no act that will extinguish the spirit of this tree' and only by keeping this pledge does the carpenter repay his debt to nature. the temples and shrines in japan are not only admired for their tribute to their religion but also for the perepetuation of the spirit of the materials of which they were made and the fullfillment of the obligation incurred to nature for the use of the earths resources. also the carpenters tools were thought to have a spirit of their own since parts of which were made out of wood. they celebrated their tools every new years day by displaying them in a place of honor and close by on a sheet of rice paper, a tangerine and two rice cakes, this traditional gesture was a way of thanking the tools for their work and for the crucial part they play in the woodworkers (shokunin's) life....... so much for that, don't we all have a favorite plant or tree or stand of trees. surely without them we would cease to exist. i know what my favorite plant is, although i still hold my orchids a close second. CC, i'll put a green pin on the jmdl map if you like, for your tree, and one in NZ for hell's tree..... now where did i put that roach?????? ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #415 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?