From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #414 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, October 28 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 414 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Will the real Don Juan please stand up? [CarltonCT@aol.com] RE: Will the real Don Juan please stand up? ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Will the real Don Juan please stand up? ["Kakki" ] David Lahm Cabaret [Emily Kirk Gray ] Neil Young Album Buying suggestions ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment (SJC) (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: joni came to tea [Catherine McKay ] Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions ["Brian Workman" ] Today in Joni History - October 29 [Today in Joni History ] Joni and the hecklers.........long ["Steve" ] Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni and the hecklers.........long [Mark Domyancich Subject: RE: Will the real Don Juan please stand up? great tip! thanks, clark [kent?] wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de CarltonCT@aol.com Enviado el: Viernes, 27 de Octubre de 2000 04:37 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Will the real Don Juan please stand up? Hey Joniacs - Chew some peyote, swallow some gelatin capsules of mesc, or nibble on some magic mushrooms and check out this account of Joni and Rosanna Arquette NP: Eminem (again) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 01:12:59 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: BoB fest >>All of those guys cover Bob songs elsewhere in the show, as do the Cash&Carter Family, Willie Nelson, Lou Reed, Tracy Chapman, The O-Jays, John Mellencamp, Chrissie Hynde, Ron Wood, Stevie Wonder, Kristofferson, Mary Chapin-Carpenter&Roseanne Cash... I probably left someone out...<< Richie Havens, the most mezmerizing & amazing of them all....(played Just Like a Woman) ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 01:16:46 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Will the real Don Juan please stand up? Clark, What a great and entertaining read! I was chuckling and feeling like I was reading a script for the next Robert Altman (or maybe Woody Allen) movie. I found it very amusing that Joni seemed to be the resident cynic in the bunch. I'm sure you have found some choice material for a future screenplay ;-) Thanks, Clark, I was looking forward to this report. Still giggling, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 04:35:50 EDT From: Hejira924@aol.com Subject: C, S & N are for Gore, what about you? It was about a month ago when I attended a Gore/Lieberman fundraiser at Radio City Music Hall in NYC. Stephen Stills was particularly vocal about the dangers of a Bush presidency. The actors Michael Douglas, Julia Roberts, Harrison Ford, Matt Damon, Jessica Lange, and others introduced the musical guests - Jon Bon Jovi, Sheryl Crowe, Lenny Kravitz, k.d. lang, Jimmy Buffett, Bette Midler, Paul Simon, the Eagles, and CSN. The finale was "Teach Your Children." So, while I apologize to any Republicans on JMDL for sharing, I just want to ask you all to consider that our musical idols may be right when it comes to politics. Where Joni stands is anyone's guess, but you must admit she was not happy during the "Dog Eat Dog" days - if you don't realize by now that that was her exasperated criticism of the Reagan era, then you've missed the point. And I played DED over and over again to give me strength during the Reagan years. But don't vote for Bush expecting Joni to produce another masterpiece of societal criticism (DED by the way was her worst selling album). I think she would expect each of us to vote with our hearts, if not with our minds. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 05:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment (SJC) Relayer wrote, about whether Joni experimented with pot and (presumably) other drugs: > she did.that's a fact.see the Joni Mitchell > companion,the long article/interview,where she talks > about her life in the 60's Because I work for David Frum, author of the recent book (this is NOT meant to be a plug*, and I know this should be underlined but quotation marks will have to suffice) "How We Got Here: The 70's--The Decade that Brought You Modern Life--For Better or Worse," and I've read David's opinion so many times, my first reaction is to ask: Joni's life in the 60's? Or her life in the 70's??? Most people fondly (in most cases) think of the 60s as such a wild and transforming decade, when in fact only the last 3 years of it were particularly wild and were just beginning to affect social change. (Here's an interesting tidbit: the #1 song in 1969 was the Archie's "Sugar Sugar.") The majority of real wildness and change took place in the 70s -- and arguably the most profound (what would become "classic" rock) music was recorded during that decade as well. Joni recorded only 2 albums in the 60s, and recorded NINE albums in the 70s. Yet she continues to be remembered by the press as "an icon of the 60s." It would be so nice if folks would get their facts straight. Of course, it seems that no one really wants to remember the 70s, especially since we wore all that incredibly bad clothing ... : ) Short on time (I'm already late in leaving for work), I don't have time to find a URL for the "Companion," if indeed there is one. Does anyone have such? Lori who should be *in* DC by now *Although I work for David, our views on just about everything are so opposite that it's amazing we talk at all! Canadians JMDLers may be familiar with David - -- and his sister Linda -- from almost daily opinion pieces in the National Post. David and Linda are the children of the late Barbara Frum. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:01:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: David Lahm Cabaret hi everyone! i'm in lurker mode when reading the lists, but i surfaced (in person!) last night to head to judy's NYC to see david lahm in his cabaret trio (with mitch ellis, vocals, and dave ruffles, bass) playing jazz "takes" on joni. and i'm so glad i did! it was a fun evening. david's piano playing gets more and more beautiful the more often i hear it. i was stock still and incredibly moved when he played this soft, achingly pretty solo part during a ballad interpretation of "i don't know where i stand." i also liked the swinging "carey" and a dirge-like, formal "cherokee louise," among others. i have to say that i'm a novice at cabaret--it took me a while to adjust to the theatrical, campy aspects of it. but i did (and DO) appreciate these artistic choices, and think many were very risky and brave. made me think--made me (as always) in awe of this music and lyrics--what more can you ask for on a thursday night! - --emily Ps: david, thanks for a good time! it was fun to chat with you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:07:11 EDT From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions Hi everyone, i want to get into some neil young but i dont know what is reccommended to buy. If someone out there who really has alot of neil young music, could email me a list of which neil young albums i should look into, which ones i should avoid, which albusm are so-so, etc etc. thanks alot bliggity blair _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:18:45 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: David Lahm Cabaret Emily, thanks for the appreciative review. I was very happy to see you & Courtney come in: YES!! someone would know what we were doing up there. It really was Mitch Ellis' show. He made full use of my knowledge and enthusiam toward JM's songs, but he was the boss (I tried to dissuade him from doing "Cherokee Louise" ---that's how smart I am). My only contribution to the cabaret aspect was to ask the lighting technician to give us a streetlight for "Sunny Sunday." If I ever record more JM songs, "I Don't Know Where I Stand" is surely a candidate. I also feel much more in possession f "Chelsea Morning" thanks to this gig. Great weekend, everybody, DL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:57:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - October 27 1987: Tonight, Joni performs at the "Cowboys for Indians and Justice for Leonard Peltier" benefit in front of an estimated 9,000 people at the Pacific Amphitheatre in Costa Mesa, California. The Los Angeles Times printed a review of the show, saying "Joni Mitchell, supported by a jazz-accented band including saxophonist Wayne Shorter and bassist Larry Klein, followed with a 40-minute set that reinforced her reputation as a daring, independent-minded songwriter and singer. Rather than lean toward her most melodic and best-known early work, she concentrated on recent material, previewing a song ("Lakota") from her upcoming album and offering a dramatic rendition of "Tax Free." The latter tune, from her 1985 "Dog Eat Dog" LP, rips at rightist televangelism with uncompromising ridicule and fury." Read the article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/871030lat.cfm 1994: Today's New York Daily News continues the promotion of Turbulent Indigo, publishing an article that reads "These days, Mitchell's frustration with the business surrounds its emphasis on youth. Still, that won't stop Mitchell's ambition. She enthuses about new synthetic orchestrations for her guitar, about finding fresh ways to integrate classical music and African rhythms. Won't such steps invite more criticism of her ambition, as it did with her 1979 jazz LP, "Mingus"? "So what?" Mitchell retorts, triumphant in anger. "To follow an idea through - in the end, that's what counts." Read it at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/941027nydn.cfm 1998: Joni performs the first of two nights in the Detroit area. Setlist and Jimdler reviews here: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981027.cfm 1999: Billboard releases some information on Joni's new album in progress: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/991027b.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:53:47 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment (SJC) (md) Very interesting distinction you make although I disagree to the extent that Woodstock happened in 1969 I believe. Those who appeared werent starting out as musicians when they appeared there. They had been playing for years. The music started in 1964-66. Monterrey was 1967. the haight was in 66. Free Speech Movement etc. Massive anti-viet nam movement with all the bands playing at the rallies. TONS preceeded the 70's. The 70's was the beginning of the "mass marketing" of the music and surely much evolved during that decade BUT Joni was definitely a 60's person. Shes older than me and I am. The 70's was when all the johnny come lately's discovered the music and FM radio evolved from underground to mainstream. The last Beatles concert was at Candlestick Park in the late MID 60's. Just for the record. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:29:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni came to tea - --- catman wrote: > I opened the door and there she stood. > 'remember me? The lady you almost ran over in the > fog all those months ago?' she said, > clouds of smoke wafting from her mouth as she spoke. > Lovely - absolutely lovely! _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:27:21 -0400 From: "Brian Workman" Subject: Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions Rust Never Sleeps Harvest After The Gold Rush On The Beach Harvest Moon Silver & Gold Everybody Knows This is Nowhere... and then all the Rest!!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Blair Fraipont To: Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 11:07 AM Subject: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions > Hi everyone, > i want to get into some neil young but i dont know what is reccommended to > buy. If someone out there who really has alot of neil young music, could > email me a list of which neil young albums i should look into, which ones i > should avoid, which albusm are so-so, etc etc. > thanks > alot > bliggity > blair > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:50:35 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - October 28 1998: Joni performs in Detroit. Setlist and Jimdler reviews here: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981028.cfm And, Time Out New York previews the upcoming New York City performance, saying "There's no telling how well her new material's subtle shadings will translate in the cavernous Garden, but those who've witnessed her recent shows give her high marks, so the faithful probably won't be disappointed." Read the article here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981028tony.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:50:44 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - October 29 1969: The Saskatoon StarPhoenix publishes a strangely worded article entitled "Joni Mitchell Success Story." Read it at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/691029ssp.cfm 1970: Joni performs with James Taylor at the Paris Theater in London. 1994: The London Independent publishes an interview with Joni. It reads "I grasped that smoking was an irritant," she says, "I didn't believe it was a cause." So (and here the story takes a mildly Californian twist) she sought a second opinion from a Hawaiian mystic called Oleta. "She's a two-powered mystic. With you fully dressed and lying on a table, she can see into your body by going wall-eyed, seeing light and shadow through your clothes. I said, 'Look in my throat, Oleta. Do you see death there?' 'No,' she said. This sounds so crackpot: she sent me water. The water was electrically charged and commanded to sluice and slowly restore. She fixed me." Read the rest at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/941029li.cfm 1996: The albums "Hits" and "Misses" are released. 1998: The Chicago Sun Times reviews Taming The Tiger, saying "Producing herself, Mitchell has crafted a seductive, jazzy album that might have been meant to evoke Rickie Lee Jones doing trip-hop, if Joni cared about such hip formulations. But no. She's an artist who always has been committed to following her own distinctive muse, commercial considerations be damned. What's more, she's one tough broad, and you just gotta love her." Read it here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981029cst.cfm The Toronto Globe and Mail previews tonight's concert, saying "In recent performances, she's added a radically reworked version of Woodstock to the set, but a greatest hits set is not in the cards. With her insistence that she's an artist, not a jukebox, Mitchell keeps nostalgia at bay." Read it here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981029tgam.cfm Joni performs in Toronto. Setlist and Jimdler reviews here: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981029.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 01:45:16 +0100 From: "Steve" Subject: Joni and the hecklers.........long It's been interesting reading the opinions on Joni and the MOA incident along with the Boston 83 walkout. I've been lucky to have been at a few hundred live gigs ( only one Joni though). During the 60's Merseybeat period ( my first concert was in '63) it never applied, as due to the screaming, you couldn't hear anything anyway. In my folkie period during the late 60's I think the nature of the music and the often intimate venue's meant that the sound of silence prevailed. Since the 70's, could it be larger venues and the advent of festivals, I never fail to be amazed by the a**holes who turn up late usually in a group, inevitably pissed, and push their way to the front or shout continuously between songs for their favourite tune (it's probably the only song title they know). We've all been there. Also listening to the many live tapes I've got, on many of them people can be heard chatting whilst songs are being played. Reading the posts, I've puzzled over it, and wondered what I'd do if I were in the performers shoes. Whilst I can accept Kate Bennet's, performers view, that the show must go on. I imagine for some performers that to stand alone in front of an audience and be shouted down can be the ultimate put down. It brought to mind the famous Joni incident at the Isle of Wight Festival in 1970 when she "lost the place" for probably the first time. Here's a transcript of Joni's rant. During constant heckling, no doubt from males awaiting their electric rock heroes, a solo acoustic Joni snapped, and with a voice trembling with emotion shouted into the microphone " Will you listen a minute......Now listen......A lot of people who get up here and sing.... I know it's fun, you know, it's a lot of fun, it's fun for me. I get my feelings off through my music (more heckling in the background).....but listen, it's like, last Sunday I went to a Hopi ceremonial dance in the desert and there were a lot of people there and there were tourists....and there were tourists who were acting like indians and there were indians who were getting into it like tourists..... and....and....I think you're acting like tourists man........GIVE US SOME RESPECT" Joni then played a fevered Big Yellow Taxi ,that, given the reception at the end won over quite a few tourists. Last night I mistakenly taped a TV show on performance art ( it was meant to be Radiohead live) and during the introduction, quotes were displayed over an artistic background. One of them summed up what I feel may be the answer to Joni's feelings. " A Painter paints pictures on canvas, but Musicians paint their music on silence"......Leopole Stokowski Food for thought, perhaps ?............Steve.........the impossible dreamer PS. As always offers of Joni's Isle of Wight tape to those who ask. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:42:20 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil Young Album Buying suggestions In a message dated 10/27/00 6:42:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bedublyu@earthlink.net writes: << Rust Never Sleeps Harvest After The Gold Rush On The Beach Harvest Moon Silver & Gold Everybody Knows This is Nowhere... and then all the Rest!!!!! >> You overlooked one of Neil's best, but often overlooked albums, his first, eponymous album, Neil Young, from 1969. "I've Been Waiting for You," "The Old Laghing Lady," "I've Loved Her So Long" and other outstanding songs. I'd rank ahead of On the Beach on your list. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:08:03 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni and the hecklers.........long This isn't exactly how it went. Wally told a better story about it on his website, but basically an old friend of Joni's from the days in the caves wanted to borrow Joni's microphone after one of her songs to talk about Desolation Row (?). Joni couldn't let him, but I guess the conversation between the two picked on the microphone and the audience heard he was talking about Desolation Row. At 1:45 AM +0100 10/28/00, Steve wrote: > Here's a transcript of Joni's rant. > >During constant heckling, no doubt from males awaiting their electric rock >heroes, a solo acoustic Joni snapped, and with a voice trembling with >emotion shouted into the microphone > " Will you listen a minute......Now listen......A lot of people >who get up here and sing.... >I know it's fun, you know, it's a lot of fun, it's fun for me. I get my >feelings off through my music >(more heckling in the background).....but listen, it's like, last Sunday I >went to a Hopi ceremonial >dance in the desert and there were a lot of people there and there were >tourists....and there were tourists who were acting like indians and there >were indians who were getting into it like tourists..... >and....and....I think you're acting like tourists man........GIVE US SOME >RESPECT" Joni then played a fevered Big Yellow Taxi ,that, given the >reception at the end won over quite a few tourists. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #414 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?