From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #413 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, October 27 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 413 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: jesusify any web site - vljc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: edit after moa comment ["Hell" ] Re: jesusify any web site - vljc [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: The Boston '83 Concert on the Commons [Siresorrow@aol.com] vinyl tip / ljc [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: jesusify any web site - vljc [catman ] Re: The Blue Nile ["secret desire" ] Joni Comments on stage..etc ["Blair Fraipont" ] nice gal [Kate ] Today in Joni History - October 26 [Today in Joni History ] [none] [leslie@torchsongs.com] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Lori R. Fye" ] joni jesusified [Leslie Shapiro ] joni came to tea [catman ] Re: joni came to tea [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Kenny, gone, but not forgotten ["Steve" ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: Joni's MOA Comment [Relayer211@aol.com] Re:Last Year at Marienbad [Relayer211@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 04:50:49 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: jesusify any web site - vljc i can't remember who sent it before [mark d.? colin? pat?], but we did it last year, and you're right: it so much fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wallyK, have you recovered from your cold yet, murphy? - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Miércoles, 25 de Octubre de 2000 11:31 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: jesusify any web site - vljc I know I'll probably burn in hell for this and a few other things, but a friend just sent me the URL for a Web site that let's you "Jesusify" any site (http://www.askjesus.org/). So of course I tried it, and it's pretty amazing. I covet to maketh thee feelest holy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:09:43 +0100 From: catman Subject: breif mention watched Ruby Wax last night who was chattuing with Amanda Donohoe(beautiful woman), Sian Phillips and someone called David Sedaris(an American). David whilst telling an anecdote, mentioned shoplifting the latest Joni Mitchell album. The person doing this was a roommate, female, who had Freidrich's Ataxia. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:50:55 +1300 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: edit after moa comment wallyk wrote: >but if you listen carefully, there IS an edit after the 'Let's sing this >song together, ok?', though i think it must have been for matters of space >in the album. I always hear an "edit" BEFORE she says "Let's sing this song together, OK Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 05:04:47 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: jesusify any web site - vljc In a message dated 10/26/00 4:15:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << i can't remember who sent it before [mark d.? colin? pat?], but we did it last year, and you're right: it so much fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> it weren'tith mine, yay i covet to have penne and sausage with all of you in the biggeth apple. and now i'm thinking i'll tell my wife that i covet to shampoo thee and that i covet to knit thee a sweater. or like aaron carter sings...i covet thee wrapped up in a sweater... or maybe it really is like colin says...after four pints, you covet anything in a sweater. pat np. fish pump ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 05:17:01 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: The Boston '83 Concert on the Commons In a message dated 10/25/00 9:14:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ricw1217@aol.com writes: << i try to be hopeful and not fill myself with dread and i refuse to believe the worst until they tell it to my face... >> 1. you've not filled the list with this stuff. aside from the one post you made a year or so ago, i don't remember seeing anything more about this and i said that to someone just yesterday. 2. i've watched your posts over time. sometimes they are very playful. sometimes they are a little edgy. sometimes, they are both mixed together. but this post you put up.....i've never seen anything so beautiful from you as this and i thank you for it and for living gracefully through the ungraceful. that makes me hopeful. thank you. patrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 06:45:30 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: vinyl tip / ljc Vinyl hunters tip of the week: Almost Famous soundtrack, promo only, no Joni cuts but worth having, great quality. I do not have this for sale, just a heads up. I am thinning out some of my Joni collection this winter and I'm likely to be too tired to deal with the big dogs on Ebay. Contact me if you are interested, offended, bored, or looking for something....off list. Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:33:59 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: jesusify any web site - vljc > or maybe it really is like > colin says...after four pints, you covet anything in a sweater. now pat beahve yourself. I am not a slut, unlike some I could mention. I also do not drink. I am much more likely to covet the sweater too to see how it was done! > > pat > np. fish pump - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:57:43 GMT From: "secret desire" Subject: Re: The Blue Nile Thanks for the help on the Blue Nile and Joni Mitchell Video I asked about. Turns out it was Rickie Lee Jones. Easily mixed up "NOT". The seller on ebay has just put up an apology. Don't imgine it will help his sales will it. Anyway somne of you asked for the Blue Nile site url. Well here it is:- http://www.psiron.demon.co.uk/ Tinseltown - The unofficial Blue Nile Site _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:58:46 EDT From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Joni Comments on stage..etc i Actually like it when artists get bitchy!! I mean, how great is that. I am never offended by comments like you have been discussing. I think it is interesting to see the different sides of that person as they are performing. For instance Van Morrison. I hear that his show are either a showstopping even where he gives his all or a half drunk man onstage insulting the audience. Personally, I dislike it when performers say things like "oh come on give a round of applause for yourselves!!! You are a great audience" I mean, i dont want to clap for myself. I want to clap for them. I dont want to be praised.. I am not saying i would wanted to be insulted at everyshow i attended..but seeing a performer bitch is entertaining and insightfull. Like at a concert in 1998 in fall with Bob she said something to the likes of (if i remember the online review correctly) "fuck you. I am as good as bob." I mean, that says it all. (eventhough that really isnt bitching, but declaring) okay. i think i am tying my tongue now. blair ps: i think neil young has already covered all along the watchtower.. and i AM tired of hearing people cover it. I mean, it is like the local band's way of achieving notoriety.. "WOW! We covered Dylan.. we're on our way to stardom" love to all np: cargo train scraping the rails and cars going by _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:50:43 -0500 From: Kate Subject: nice gal Kakki: > I was completely > surprised at how warm, down to earth and sweet she was. ... warmth and vulnerability. ... I had that sense of Joni too whenever I saw her at the Mendel -- compassionate, humble (yes! I watched her facial expressions quite closely and she appeared as a person who is confident in her own self but not arrogant at all - folks do tend to confuse the two) and very responsive to those around her and the situation she's in. A very alive woman, with a definite aura of "someone special" that is natural and emanates from within. A big spirit there, that's for sure. My Kateness p.s. Ranger Rick, I received your email and am running running running with a new job and all so getting behind, but will get to it one of these days! - -- ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ * ~~~~~ /// * / * \ * \\\ ~~~~~ * ~~ Never retreat. Never explain. Never apologize. Get the thing done, and let them howl. Nellie McClung ~~~ * ~~~~ /// * / * \ * \\\ ~~~~ * ~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:48:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - October 26 1998: The Chicago Tribune reviews last night's concert, saying "Heady stuff. Great stuff. Enough to make another solid set of music by Bob Dylan seem almost perfunctory." Read it here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981026ct.cfm Joni performs tonight in Indianapolis. Setlist and Jimdler reviews here: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981026.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:14:19 GMT From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: [none] Paz wrote: the MOST important thing she has brought is something le grande dame herself isn't even aware of. People like you and so many other special folks on this woderful cyber magic carpet. Michael, I couldn't have said it any better myself. Yes, I am truly grateful to have met so many talented and loving individuals. And, I know for a fact that Joni is aware of many of the special people in the JMDL community. Ric, my best to you - my thoughts are with you and Judy. Leslie Mixon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:52:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment One more from the peanut gallery ... It just occurred to me that Joni couldn't have been in a mood to offend her audience during the MOA concert; otherwise, why would she have cut the word "grass" from "Blue"? Lori (fondly remembering those concert-going days) in DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:06:24 -0400 From: Leslie Shapiro Subject: joni jesusified Hey All, Bob's discovery of Jesusifying a web site is truly to be beheld! I did it to the Mendel page on the website. I recommend it if you need your day shaken up a little! Complete with picutres AND sound. EGAD. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:34:27 +0100 From: catman Subject: joni came to tea I opened the door and there she stood. 'remember me? The lady you almost ran over in the fog all those months ago?' she said, clouds of smoke wafting from her mouth as she spoke. 'uh, yes. I wish you'd called first. I need a week to tidy up. But since you are here you'd better come in.' Joni waded her way thru the yarn that was blocking the hallway. 'SHUT IT!' I screamed at the dogs. 'BRAD! STOP!' 'ahh, ' said Joni as she reached out to Brad. 'NO!' I said, 'wait for him to come to you. He doesn't know you.' 'I feel so blue, ' she said as she lit another fag. 'People think i am a bitch but really I am just a woman of heart and mind. But, ya know, I have to be tough. It's dog eat dog world out there.' 'Here, have some tea.' I said, placing a hot mug of tea in her free hand and an ashtray under her other. 'just let me put the dogs away, they'll get you dirty. It's been a rainy night.' Her eyes fixed on her painting of herself i have hung on the wall.'Oh, i just love to paint. But people just want me to write songs. Like I have nothing better to do than wirte songs for ageing children. Shit, i bet no one said to Van Gogh, 'paint a starry night, again, man'.' 'no,' I said. 'if they did he probably wouldn't have heard anyway.' She shot me a look and said' I think I understand. I just wish they could see me from both sides, now. The painter and the muscian, the fiddle and the brush.' 'More tea?' I offered. 'I shouldn't have come,' she sighed. 'Oh no, you are quite welcome. Just don't tell that lot on the list I am so untidy. I don't want to appear tawdry and cheap. Besides, this is really something. People will be envious.' 'what happened to this place?' she enquired. 'oh my my'. 'well,' I spluttered, 'we haven't been here long and .....' 'it's a shame, it's a crying shame', she said forlornly. 'it's not that bad. the cleaner cmes in tomorrow.' 'no not that, I have to go.' and with that she got up and went to the door.' We should stay in touch.' I closed the door behind her, thinking to myself, 'I wish people would bloody call before they just drop by.' - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:46:09 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: joni came to tea In a message dated 10/26/00 5:42:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: << 'Here, have some tea.' I said, placing a hot mug of tea in her free hand and an ashtray under her other. 'just let me put the dogs away, they'll get you dirty. It's been a rainy night.' >> Why didn't you let the dogs go running free? The wild and the gentle dogs like to go running free. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:20:59 +0100 From: "Steve" Subject: Kenny, gone, but not forgotten I came in late by a quite a few days to reading the sad news of Kenny's passing and as I didn't really know him I felt it inappropriate to comment then. Kenny was one of my welcoming committee when I joined the list a few months ago and gave me such a warm welcome. Since his untimely death, I've been really moved by the depth of feeling towards someone, who has managed to reach out in the ether and touch so many lives.He must have been a wonderful man to know. In a world where life is so cheap it is heartening to be part of a community that can appreciate the worth of a human's nature. For as long as each of us is a member of this list Kenny will remain among us. My thoughts are with his family and friends. Kenny, See you sometime............Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:58:33 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment In a message dated 10/26/00 2:12:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lrfye@yahoo.com writes: << It just occurred to me that Joni couldn't have been in a mood to offend her audience during the MOA concert; otherwise, why would she have cut the word "grass" from "Blue"? >> I don't get it.acid,booze,ass,needles and guns are fine to mention,but not grass? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment "Relayer" wrote: > I don't get it.acid,booze,ass,needles and guns > are fine to mention,but > not grass? The original lyrics: "Well there're so many sinking now You've got to keep thinking You can make it thru these waves Acid, booze, and ass Needles, guns, and grass Lots of laughs, lots of laughs Everybody's saying that hell's the hippest way to go Well I don't think so But I'm gonna take a look around it though" Blue was released in 1971, a time when the attitude of a girl from the prairie might still be a bit conservative, or at least not as "worldly" as it would later become. In the above verse, Joni's observation seems to be that people are being a little too cavalier about certain things that they might do well to consider more seriously. They're "sinking": wasting away and dying due to dangerous living and excess. They're going to hell -- and it's the hippest way to go! Joni disagrees (she's thinking, "Lot of laughs -- yeah, right!), but ... she'll check it out. Three years later, maybe she's done just that -- or at least a little of it. Regardless, at just about any concert in 1974 (save for perhaps a classical music performance), there was always a TON (maybe literally!) of grass being smoked. By then (if not before), it was obvious to most that grass was quite different from acid or booze or heroin. (Nevermind the rest, and nevermind the contribution of marijuana to short-term memory loss or couch potato syndrome; at least no one was leaping out of windows or beating their spouse or stealing to afford their next fix because of pot.) Joni was smart to sing "Needles, guns, and ... Lots of laughs, lots of laughs." She took into consideration that many in her audience were toking away and no doubt would've been put off by a "put down" of their favorite herb. Lori near DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:24:56 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment Lori- Interesting post! I agree that it was thoughtful of Ms. Mitchell to recognise (Canadian spelling!) that so many of her audience may have been participating! Never thought that this was the reason, and often wondered. But surely, 29 years ago, she was enjoying- partaking in the pleasures of smoke. I'm 45 and was by then. And given Ms. Mitchell's lifestyle, and experience to that date- Toronto, the Yorkville "hippie" scene- I have a vague memory of it all- it would be a surprise if she hadn't. Just a thought! And I do agree! Stephen in Vancouver NP: Wallflowers- Bringing Down the Horse- my 1st listen- pretty great! "Lori R. Fye" on 10/26/2000 06:54:18 PM Please respond to "Lori R. Fye" To: Relayer211@aol.com, joni@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment "Relayer" wrote: > I don't get it.acid,booze,ass,needles and guns > are fine to mention,but > not grass? The original lyrics: "Well there're so many sinking now You've got to keep thinking You can make it thru these waves Acid, booze, and ass Needles, guns, and grass Lots of laughs, lots of laughs Everybody's saying that hell's the hippest way to go Well I don't think so But I'm gonna take a look around it though" Blue was released in 1971, a time when the attitude of a girl from the prairie might still be a bit conservative, or at least not as "worldly" as it would later become. In the above verse, Joni's observation seems to be that people are being a little too cavalier about certain things that they might do well to consider more seriously. They're "sinking": wasting away and dying due to dangerous living and excess. They're going to hell -- and it's the hippest way to go! Joni disagrees (she's thinking, "Lot of laughs -- yeah, right!), but ... she'll check it out. Three years later, maybe she's done just that -- or at least a little of it. Regardless, at just about any concert in 1974 (save for perhaps a classical music performance), there was always a TON (maybe literally!) of grass being smoked. By then (if not before), it was obvious to most that grass was quite different from acid or booze or heroin. (Nevermind the rest, and nevermind the contribution of marijuana to short-term memory loss or couch potato syndrome; at least no one was leaping out of windows or beating their spouse or stealing to afford their next fix because of pot.) Joni was smart to sing "Needles, guns, and ... Lots of laughs, lots of laughs." She took into consideration that many in her audience were toking away and no doubt would've been put off by a "put down" of their favorite herb. Lori near DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:54:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment Stephen wrote: > But surely, 29 years ago, she was enjoying- > partaking in the pleasures of smoke. I'm 45 and was > by then. And given Ms. Mitchell's lifestyle, and > experience to that date- Toronto, the Yorkville > "hippie" scene- I have a vague memory of it all- it > would be a surprise if she hadn't. > > Just a thought! And I do agree! It's a good thought, Stephen. Still ... Joni may have been partaking and enjoying, but I think she may have remained a bit "reserved" in her partying. She's probably tried many things, but she's never really been into overindulgence -- at least not for long. And considering that several of her peers had just died (Jimi, Janis, Jim), it's not surprising that Joni may have taken a dim view of "acid, booze, and ass; needles, guns, and grass," at least in 1971. Lori (who's 42 and first "partook" in '73) near DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:33:40 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment Yes, that sense of being reserved- such a Cdn colonial thing!!!! We are more shy, reserved, proper- the English Queen thing- than the Americans.......I can completely identify w/it all. Horrors! I hope that no legal/police people are monitoring this- the 1st time I tried LSD, in grade 11 on a high school trip from Burlington to the Toronto art galleries and museums- I only did 1/4 of a hit- and had a great time! On the bus ride back home, the radio was on, and we heard that Art Linkletter's daughter had jumped out of a window in CA while stoned on acid. It just made me realise that I would never be that stoned, out of control- impossible. Perhaps Ms. Mitchell came from the same school! Stephen in Vancouver NP: Bebel Gilberto- Lonely "Lori R. Fye" on 10/26/2000 07:54:32 PM To: Stephen Epstein/Agmont cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment Stephen wrote: > But surely, 29 years ago, she was enjoying- > partaking in the pleasures of smoke. I'm 45 and was > by then. And given Ms. Mitchell's lifestyle, and > experience to that date- Toronto, the Yorkville > "hippie" scene- I have a vague memory of it all- it > would be a surprise if she hadn't. > > Just a thought! And I do agree! It's a good thought, Stephen. Still ... Joni may have been partaking and enjoying, but I think she may have remained a bit "reserved" in her partying. She's probably tried many things, but she's never really been into overindulgence -- at least not for long. And considering that several of her peers had just died (Jimi, Janis, Jim), it's not surprising that Joni may have taken a dim view of "acid, booze, and ass; needles, guns, and grass," at least in 1971. Lori (who's 42 and first "partook" in '73) near DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:09:26 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's MOA Comment In a message dated 10/26/00 10:39:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sepstein@agmont.com writes: << But surely, 29 years ago, she was enjoying- partaking in the pleasures of smoke. I'm 45 and was by then. And given Ms. Mitchell's lifestyle, and experience to that date- Toronto, the Yorkville "hippie" scene- I have a vague memory of it all- it would be a surprise if she hadn't. >> she did.that's a fact.see the Joni Mitchell companion,the long article/interview,where she talks about her life in the 60's ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:21:19 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re:Last Year at Marienbad What did you think of it?I watched it again tonight.I never get tired of seeing it. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #413 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?