From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #409 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, October 24 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 409 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: A Case of Joni [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: A Case of Joni [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Eavesdropping on Tom Rush [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: A Case of Joni [Joseph Palis ] The Blue Nile ["secret desire" ] Re: The Blue Nile [Jason Maloney ] Re: Joni, Vincent, MOA ["Kakki" ] Re: A Case of Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni song & mention on lifetime & NYC (SJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A Case of Joni [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni, Vincent, MOA [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Today in Joni History - October 21 [Today in Joni History ] Today In Joni History - October 22 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - October 23 [Today in Joni History ] KennyGrantUsPeace (from JZW) [Les Irvin ] Joni's BD Card: Thanks artists, calling all writers [JoniMessages@aol.com] Birthday Card PS [JoniMessages@aol.com] Re: Joni, Vincent, MOA ["Kakki" ] Your Case of Joni [was A Case of Joni] [quiff@earthling.co.uk] Boy George, redux ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Boy George, redux [michael w yarbrough ] Re: Your Case of Joni [was A Case of Joni] ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Your Case of Joni [was A Case of Joni] [Jason Maloney ] Presents Vs. Presence ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re; Joni Songs Sung By Others ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] briliant observation Paul I [dogbyte@aloha.net (french)] Re: Joni, Vincent [FredNow@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:08:57 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of Joni In a message dated 10/23/00 1:06:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LasaterJ@aol.com writes: << Is anyone else more than a little disappointed by the track listing of "A Case of Joni?" For starters, there are only 13 tracks, and they could have easily fit 4 or 5 more on the CD. I'm not crazy about the song selection either...I mean, ANOTHER cover of Big Yellow Taxi? ANOTHER cover of Woodstock? The selection of songs is heavily skewed in favor of Joni's early, folk period, and it almost completely ignores the last 20 years of her music. >> Let me suggest here that if most of those musicians are like me, the Joni songs that infleuenced me the most were from those early albums, and up through Hejira and maybe a little beyond. I expect therre was not much rancor among the artists to do something from her more recent albums, but maybe that's because Joni is about 20 years ahead of her time, so the generation that will cover Turbulent Indigo is still in grammar school. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 03:09:46 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of Joni In a message dated 10/23/00 1:06:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LasaterJ@aol.com writes: << And what is Duncan Sheik doing on anyone's tribute album? >> I thought that was a brand of condoms. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:38:59 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Eavesdropping on Tom Rush As Kakki mentioned, we got to see Tom Rush at McHabes, and he did his version of Circle Game which he still plays very much like his original -- some nice guitar work. Tom's a great guitarist, and did not strike a single sour or buzz note and does some very elaborate picking while singing in a steadfast way at the same time. Like Neil Young, he has a few guitars on stage which are pre-tuned, and he only made a few tuning adjustments through the set which he covered with great comical patter. I wonder if Joni taught Tom or he taught Joni the use of story telling while re-tuning. Tom was available in the lobby both before and after the show, and as Kakki mentioned, someone was talking with him about Joni. I didn't hear what the first guy was saying, but Tom's response was "Well, Joni was a very ambitious young woman." It also seemed to me that Circle Game was the most warmly received song that night. I'm still doing a little research, but I will have a few things to report soon about Joni and Carlos Castaneda and her recent attendance at a gathering where the supposedly real brujo Don Juan Matus made an appearance. love and money to everybody, Clark NP: Eminem - Marshall Mathers (thanks Michael, this really is a very interesting CD) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:15:53 +0800 (PHT) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: A Case of Joni that happens, i noticed, in most tribute albums. they feature the "best known" songs so that people who are only vaguely aware of this artist being given tribute to can be inveigled to buy the album. i remember one friend who only bought Sergio Mendes' album because she knew "Bridges" only from among the song choices and thought that its worth a buy if only for that song she likes. i agree that there are songs that should have been covered more and that there are artists who should have covered these songs, but i guess the record producers aren't always attuned towards creating an album with seldom-heard songs and seldom-heard artists. they want the album to sell well beyond the hard-core fans of the artist, in this case, Joni. i like sarah maclachlan and annie lennox but i agree that they should have at least rendered a different Joni song or re-recorded the song they already recorded in their albums (which ironically were not found in their albums, but from "b-sides"). i am one of those who heard only of duncan sheik and this is an opportunity for me to know more about the artist: through this tribute to Joni album. actually if i am a record producer (and one where I don't care much about financial returns... but then what am i doing as a record producer if i don't want profits), i would like to have a dream Joni tribute where i will ask artists of different musical persuasions to sing. i know for a fact that sopranos Dawn Upshaw and Renee Fleming are among those who admitted being influenced by Joni, as well as theatre singers like Betty Buckley and Patti LuPone. that way, the songs of Joni will be interpreted in various musical lights and will enhance the musicality of her song. but then, i am not a record producer . . . :) Joseph (appreciating the northeast monsoon in Manila) > Is anyone else more than a little disappointed by the track listing of "A > Case of Joni?" For starters, there are only 13 tracks, and they could have > easily fit 4 or 5 more on the CD. I'm not crazy about the song selection > either...I mean, ANOTHER cover of Big Yellow Taxi? ANOTHER cover of > Woodstock? The selection of songs is heavily skewed in favor of Joni's early, > folk period, and it almost completely ignores the last 20 years of her music. > > They (Warner Bros.?) make matters worse by recycling covers that most of us > already have (the Sarah McLachlan and Annie Lennox tracks, new studio > versions of Elton John's "Free Man" and kd lang's "Help Me" from the tribute > concert... or at least, I hope they're new studio versions...) > > Lastly, most of the artists who have been the most outspoken in their > admiration of Joni's work (Peter Gabriel, Sting, Prince, and Paul Westerberg > are some names that come to mind) are nowhere to be found on the tribute > album. > And what is Duncan Sheik doing on anyone's tribute album? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:20:05 GMT From: "secret desire" Subject: The Blue Nile Hi all I am new to the list can anyone help with the following:_ Do you know anything about this video (See below)? I run a small Blue Nile site and am not aware of it. Any confirmation help or info you can provide would be gratefully received. Mike Title of item: BLUE NILE rare promo video with Joni Mitchell Seller: george@gimarc.com Starts: Oct-19-00 18:02:13 PDT Ends: Oct-26-00 18:02:13 PDT Price: Currently $8.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll ?ViewItem&item=473848120 Item Description: THE BLUE NILE 10 minute promo video with Joni Mitchell Glasgow's Blue Nile was formed in 1981 by vocalist/guitarist/synthesist Paul Buchanan and synthesizer manipulators Robert Bell and Joseph Moore. The band's demo tape wound up at Linn Products, a hi-fi company, who used it to test new equipment. The company liked what it heard and decided to venture into the recording business, signing Blue Nile and releasing its debut album, A Walk Across the Rooftops, in 1984. The album received high praise for its melancholy, atmospheric, haunting sound, and was eventually picked up by A&M. Blue Nile was not heard from again until 1989, when they finally released a follow-up, Hats, and played their first live shows ever. [Steve Huey, All Music Guide]This is a special video that was sent out by A&M to help interest radio stations in the Blue Nile and is a performance that includes guest vocalist Joni Mitchell. It's haunting, ethereal and superb. Total run time is 10 minutes. The most important thing to realize about videos like this is the ! great expense made to produce them. Somewhere between $10,000 and $100,000 was spent on each of these videos, then promo copies like this were dubbed off and sent to MTV and various influential DJs across the nation. Clubs that showed videos and late night indie cable shows got them too. Be that as it may, IF the video didn't become a big hit, it would live a short existence as a promo item, then get tossed into the junk bin. The little film of this band would never get seen by the fans, it would never be able to be purchased by the public and worse yet, would be lost! In time, these will be the ultimate collectable. The print run is short, the image is vivid and in glorious, playable VHS and it can be all yours.CONDITION: This item is in MINT condition. It is an original promo release (not a dub!) and is from the private collection of veteran broadcaster George Gimarc who was one of the driving forces behind alternative music in Texas since 1977. Actual postage on this it! em is 3.20 PRIORITY within the US. No handling charges ever! ODD RECORDS ARE MY SPECIALTY! CHECK MY OTHER AUCTIONSThanks! PS I am not the seller so this is not an advert. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:41:21 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: The Blue Nile Hi Mike, Welcome to the list! Ohmigod, a Blue Nile fan...such a rare thing :-) What's the URL of your Blue Nile site? I'd love to check it out. They are probably my favourite band. I have them featured on the music sections of my own general music/movie/entertainment site - The Slipstream - as they have three of my all-time top 30 albums. I'm afraid I can't help with the ebay item. I *do* recall the band collaborating with Rickie Lee Jones around 1990/91, so I wonder if this guy has got RLJ and Joni mixed up? Cheers, Jason. http://www.the-slipstream.co.uk secret desire wrote: > > I am new to the list can anyone help with the following:_ > > Do you know anything about this video (See below)? I run a small Blue Nile > site and am not aware of it. Any confirmation help or info you can provide > would be gratefully received. > > Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 04:36:15 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni, Vincent, MOA Mark wrote: >I just listened to the whole exchange & there isn't just one > overwhelming suggestion being shouted at her, there are numerous > requests coming from the audience. I don't think she's refusing to > sing a particular song just because she doesn't want to. She's giving > the audience a little something to laugh at & think about, maybe > easing a little tension and freeing herself to go on with the planned > set. Mark, you make some very good points. I was there that night (as was Steve Dulson and another listmember whom I don't recall right now). I've always remembered that particular part of the concert very clearly because it was such a great response. My recall and perception of the event was that it had been for the most part, a polite, respectful, and fairly awed audience through most of the concert. But at some point there did seem to be a break in the mood (maybe some people were just getting excited by it all, or maybe they were having a time adapting to the latest incarnation of Joni's sound, which sounded very new to me too then) and once one or two people started calling out requests, it seemed to egg on more to do so. To me at the time, this seemed to kind of break the whole mood and was kind of out of place. It's like the feeling of being engrossed in some compelling conversation with someone and another person breaks in out of left field and makes a comment that is totally off the wall and you're sort of going "huh?" I'd wager that Joni was also feeling a bit of this - sort of taken by surprise - and she had to come up with a response. She couldn't just ignore these audience members, nor could she in practical terms say "oh, O.K., I'll play that one and that one and that one since you asked." I thought her response was quick-witted, sweet and charming considering the situation. Maybe some of the people shouting out requests found it snooty, but what's a girl (or boy) to do? Maybe Steve Dulson can add his take on it. Steve, after all, was practically in the front row that night, while I was almost in the back ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 08:04:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of Joni <> Yes, but the Elvis and Janet tracks will probably make the whole thing worthwhile! And although it's already been said, it bears repeating that this is a package for the masses, so it looks a little bland to those of us who listen and think about Joni every day! Now, if you want some adventurous 'tribute' CD's, there's more than a few unconventional tracks in our "Covers" collection - go to "Joni Undercover" at JMDL.com to see for yourself... Bob NP: Steely Dan, "IGY" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 08:06:44 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni song & mention on lifetime & NYC (SJC) <> Thanks, Nikki & Brenda, for the heads up...I'll see if I can snatch a copy for Covers Volume 12! Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Josie" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 08:21:23 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: A Case of Joni Duncan performed at Joni's Jazz. I was not impressed. Jerry Eric Wilcox wrote: > Am I the only one that likes Duncan Sheik? > > And what is Duncan Sheik doing on anyone's tribute album? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:23:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, Vincent, MOA <> IMO this is SO disrespectful to the performer! While I enjoyed seeing Jackson Browne this year in a fairly intimate setting, a couple of times he responded to the audience's requests by playing the song in question, and then it was like opening the floodgates with folks yelling non-stop, like the Stock Exchange or something! He stayed in control, but it would have been a much better show if the audience would allow the artist to play as THE ARTIST is moved, rather than by the whims of the crowd... I was tempted at Joni's concert at Chastain to shout out the songs I KNEW she was going to do! "FOR THE ROSES"!! "JUDGEMENT OF THE MOON AND STARS"!! "Bring out Larry and play Hejira"!! :~D Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Home At Last" PS: If anyone out there has a copy of that Atlanta BSN show, I'm dyin' to hear it again! ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 00:17:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - October 21 1997: That infamous US rag, the National Enquirer, slings it's mud Joni's way in today's issue, saying about the tiff with Jackson Browne "Joni was busy in the recording studio and would not comment publicly on the song. But she told a friend: 'Jackson thinks everything has to do with him. He needs to get life.' The rock heartthrob-who told an interviewer that Mitchell twice attacked him physically-called her song '100 percent wrong' and added: 'She's not really well.'" Join the slugfest at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/971021ne.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 00:20:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today In Joni History - October 22 1988: Joni performs a short set in San Remo, Italy. Mauro Regis writes "This was the second (and last) Joni's appearance in Italy after 1983 tour. She was prized with the Premio Tenco, and performed a solo set of about thirty minutes. She was cold and throat ill, but played an incredible set, with one of the early (or maybe the first) live performance of "Night Ride home", and a building up "Passion Play" with no words." More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/881022.cfm 1998: The Seattle Times reviews Taming The Tiger, saying "Just as she did in two shows with Dylan (and Van Morrison) in May at the Gorge, Mitchell shows she hasn't lost any of her fire and vision, and especially her individuality, on this stunning new disc." Read the review at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981022st.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:29:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - October 23 1994: Today the Calgary Herald publishes an article about Joni's recent Toronto press conference, saying "Joni Mitchell smiles as she holds up a cardboard human ear, which she's just pulled out of a copy of her new CD, Turbulent Indigo. "Isn't this great?" she says, looking as happy as a kid who has just found a swell toy in a box of Cap'n Crunch. "I wanted to put one in every copy of the album, but the record company told me it would cost too much money. So I had to settle for just a few thousand promotional copies." Read the article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/941023ch.cfm Also today, New York Newsday's "FanFare" section runs an article promoting Turbulent Indigo. Joni responds to a question about Sire of Sorrow, saying "I had a lot of grief, and much was taken from me in terms of health and money in the '80s. I was robbed by everyone who could get their hands on my money. They took some. It became fashionable in the '80s. And I had a lot of illness and a lot of bad doctors. You know, so I had that experience. I had enough experience to tackle Job." Read the article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/941023nyn.cfm 1998: Joni performs in Minneapolis on the first night of her Fall tour with Bob Dylan. Setlist and Jimdler reviews here: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981023.cfm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:59:09 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: KennyGrantUsPeace (from JZW) Forwarded to the list at Julie Z Webb's request: >Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:05:56 -0700 (PDT) >From: Julie Webb >Subject: KennyGrantUsPeace > > In 1997 I was new to the internet and Kenny >Grant was one of my first pen pals. I saw myself as >your stereotypical Soccer mom from Pittsburgh >corresponding with anybody I could find who was >willing to talk to me about Joni Mitchell. After >awhile it became fairly apparent that my appetite for >JoniJiven was limited. For a long time Kenny and I >mostly emailed back and forth about movies...what we >had seen that weekend etc.. His email persona was >kindly...big brotherly. He was intelligent---writing >well... I liked it that he cared enough to often >encourage me to write more...especially movie reviews. > His film opinions were always interesting and >insightful. He was a nice guy and it seemed that he >was becoming my friend. > Provincial that I am/was---He was the first jmdl gay >man who would set me straight about my stereotypical >illusions of gay stereotypes. ("You're gay, >kkkKenny??? you're kkkiding."). But for me, the idea >that Kenny was a real New Yorker intrigued me most. >Pittsburgh is really a small town. If NYC possesses >the ripe crispy tartness of a full-bodied Big Apple >then Pittsburgh is more like a small soft plum--sweet >and sometimes bitter, but never better. When I >finally met him at my home in Pittsburgh, I was >expecting something like Andrew Dice Clay meets Dick >Cavett. But just like all my other silly >preconceived notions, Kenny wasn't: arrogant, pushy, >flashy, brash, competitive, >intimidating...superior-acting. > At the frenetic pace of the numerous Jonifests >I had attended, it was always at the end of my visit >that I found myself shooting the breeze with KennyG, >who with his soft-spoken stillness, seemed to be >taking it all in with his layed-back hipster kind of >calm. He was cool like people who love jazz are. I >could see it in him at my house at 2:00 AM when the >party was winding down when people were growing tired >of singing. Marian, Terry, Sherelle, Marsha, Paul >and Kenny softly lullaby-ed us with one last "Edith >and The Kingpin." It felt sad and final; like a slow >farewell song---- for me at least. I could still see >Kenny gently swaying, closing his eyes and soulfully >whispering, "are staaaarrrring eye to eye, they dare >not look away...they dare not look a >wwwway." > >God Bless, Julie Z. Webb, Still Don Juan's Fertile >Daughter, (Still Eating Lunch in my town.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:53:22 EDT From: JoniMessages@aol.com Subject: Joni's BD Card: Thanks artists, calling all writers Thanks to everyone who sent artwork in! Every picture got votes, but there were two that were out in front, and they were separated by just ONE vote... so I decided to use both of 'em, one on the front of the card and one on the inside. Congratulations to Sue Cooper and Rose Joy! Ever notice that most greeting cards are only in black and white on the inside? There's a reason for that -- it's a lot easier to reproduce. I'm not sure exactly how I'm going to do this, but hey, that never stopped me before. So anyway, on to Part Two. What's this card going to say? I've posted a rough draft of what the card's going to look like at the same URL as before (http://www.JoniMitchell.com/BDCard/BDcardArt.html) so you can see where the type is going to go; if you have a Fabulous Idea for one or two perfectly phrased lines (that's what there's going to be room for) send them to me at JoniMessages@aol.com. I'll post everything I receive by this Thursday (10-23), at which time I'll also let you know which line received the most votes, and who wrote it. Hope you're all having as much fun with this as I am! jj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:03:21 EDT From: JoniMessages@aol.com Subject: Birthday Card PS Ooops, forgot to tell you -- If you're sending in ideas for a message to be printed on the card, be sure to tell me what's supposed to be on the front of the card and what's supposed to be inside!!! jj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:09:16 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni, Vincent, MOA Bob wrote: > IMO this is SO disrespectful to the performer! While I >enjoyed seeing Jackson Browne this year in a fairly intimate >setting, a couple of times he responded to the audience's >requests by playing the song in question, and then it was > like opening the floodgates with folks yelling non-stop, like >the Stock Exchange or something! That's pretty amazing and, I must say, generous of JB to comply with the requests. But, as you pointed out, it can get out of hand and the tail can start wagging the dog at some point! ;-) I had another thought about Joni's situation at the MOA concert. In some performance situations, such as with one person with a guitar in a bar, small club or casual setting, it is very acceptable and sometimes customary for the audience to request a favorite song. It gives a more intimate connection, like a gathering around the campfire or old fashioned "Hootenany". But the MOA setting was so different from that. Joni was all dressed up and glamourous and it had a very sophisticated feel. This was not Joni the folkie, but more Joni the jazz chanteuse, even though she did play some songs from the folkie days. Not to gang up on Fred (really Fred!) but I had this thought of Fred playing with his jazz band in a stylish sophisticated setting and wondering how he would respond if several people in the audience started disrupting the planned set yelling out requests. Fred, you may have had a better comeback or analogy, but as far as the way Joni diverted the attention, I think she was successful for coming up with something clever on short notice. At least it had more style than the Cat Stevens concert I saw in '72 where he got up and started yelling "F*** off" and thrusting out his middle finger under similar circumstances. ;-D > I was tempted at Joni's concert at Chastain to shout out the songs I KNEW she was going to do! > > "FOR THE ROSES"!! > > "JUDGEMENT OF THE MOON AND STARS"!! > > "Bring out Larry and play Hejira"!! :~D Speaking of clever, that is priceless, Bob! I think some of us should try that next time a tour rolls around. LOL Kakki NP: Joni live - Mr. Tambourine Man ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:13:59 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: quiff@earthling.co.uk Subject: Your Case of Joni [was A Case of Joni] - --11572096.972335639415.JavaMail.nobody@www-a24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I must say, I've been looking forward to this album for a long time - if only for kd lang's version of 'Help Me' which I imagine is gorgeous. I was worried the whole thing'd been shelved for a while, but I'm glad to hear it's still on the way. But with all this talk of quibbles, I wonder what and whom other people would've liked on the album (even completely unlikely folk). How's that for a thread? About ten - if we're assuming at least four of the tracks on ACoJ will be exactly what you want... Here's my starter for ten: 1:Morrissey - The Hissing of Summer Lawns 2:Tori Amos - The Priest 3:David Sylvian - Blue 4:Nina Simone - Carey 5:Fiona Apple - A Case of You 6:Ringo Starr - The Circle Game 7:Suzanne Vega - Edith & The Kingpin 8:Ben Folds Five - Car On The Hill 9:Kirsty MacColl - Blue Motel Room 10:The Kings Singers - In France They Kiss On Main Street Everyone else ...? - -Nick "This will require a special blend of psychology and extreme violence"-The Young Ones Your email address says a lot about you. Express yourself @ another.com http://another.com/jump.jsp?destDesc=another.com/login.jsp?sig=393 - --11572096.972335639415.JavaMail.nobody@www-a24-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:21:50 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Boy George, redux I read in the Sunday paper that Boy George was the high bidder for a piano that belonged to John Lennon. (I don't remember if it was the white one that he wrote "Imagine" on - it's hard to believe that Yoko would sell THAT one!) Anyway, he plans to write something with it and then donate it to a John Lennon museum in Liverpool. (2.1 million American dollars) All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:24:17 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Boy George, redux It was a different fag named George. George Michael, to be exact. Those British queens all look alike... ;-) - --Michael NP: Prince, _Controversy_ - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Sometimes I contemplate moving to a warmer place But then the lake and skyline give me a warm embrace." - --Common, "Reminding Me (Of Sef)" On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > I read in the Sunday paper that Boy George was the high bidder for a piano > that belonged to John Lennon. (I don't remember if it was the white one > that he wrote "Imagine" on - it's hard to believe that Yoko would sell THAT > one!) Anyway, he plans to write something with it and then donate it to a > John Lennon museum in Liverpool. (2.1 million American dollars) > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:06:35 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Your Case of Joni [was A Case of Joni] > 3:David Sylvian - Blue I can totally hear David Sylvian singing "Blue"....one of my favorite artists besides Joni. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:23:43 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni's quote from MOA ...nobody ever said to Van Gogh, Paint a Starry Night again, man. He painted it, that was it!" There has been a lot of discussion about this, but my favorite quote from MOA is when she says, "Thanks for your presence... and being here." (I know in a hippie kind of way it sort of makes sense, but I still think it's funny.) My sister and I always say, "Thanks for your 'presents' and being here, " (after family birthdays or Christmases) in honor of Joni. :>) Kerry NP - Patti Smith - Gung Ho ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:18:47 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Your Case of Joni [was A Case of Joni] Victor Johnson wrote: > > > 3:David Sylvian - Blue > > I can totally hear David Sylvian singing "Blue"....one of my favorite > artists besides Joni. A terribly underrated artist. To be honest, I'd be happy hearing him sing *anything*.....especially Joni! Victor, check out his latest 2-CD retrospective "Everything & Nothing", just out here in the UK (not sure about worldwide). Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:13:46 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's quote from MOA In a message dated 10/23/00 7:28:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, myrtlmoo@ticon.net writes: << There has been a lot of discussion about this, but my favorite quote from MOA is when she says, "Thanks for your presence... and being here." (I know in a hippie kind of way it sort of makes sense, but I still think it's funny.) My sister and I always say, "Thanks for your 'presents' and being here, " (after family birthdays or Christmases) in honor of Joni. :>) >> How do you know she mean "presence"? I am sure people were putting things like flowers and such on the stage fher. I have always thought she meant "presents," just like you and your sister do at Christmas. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 01:15:57 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Boy George, redux according to the news here, George Micahel bought it and it was the piano Lennon wrote Imagine on. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:49:30 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Presents Vs. Presence Paul wrote "How do you know she mean "presence"? I am sure people were putting things like flowers and such on the stage fher. I have always thought she meant "presents," just like you and your sister do at Christmas." I have to agree with him here, I picture Joni saying this with her arms wrapped around flowers and stuffed animals, sort of like Stevie Nicks is always adorned with crap as she leaves the stage...Stevie's always crying though. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:20:09 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re; Joni Songs Sung By Others I would like to hear Mavis Staples cover something! She has a fantastic voice and range. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:47:32 -1000 (HST) From: dogbyte@aloha.net (french) Subject: briliant observation Paul I >PAUL I wrote; I expect therre was not much rancor among the artists to do something from >her more recent albums, but maybe that's because Joni is about 20 years ahead >of her time, so the generation that will cover Turbulent Indigo is still in >grammar school. > >Paul I you are sooooo right on this point PaulI, to me i think those who are so far in front of the music thing doing covers in itself is kind of being lazy or not able to be original and taking advantage of their fame like 'coasting' . i'm not a collector of covers, i know joni covered much on 'both sides now' and though i like the sound and sanging she had did, i want her to be new in her own style like the artist she is thats why i love joni. i hope her next project has a more 'hands on' instrument wise. i'm sorry you don't like Boy George, i thought he had a good tune 'crying game' that was a new hook then and i cant remember him doing covers, also he's very fashionable and applies his makeup better than any bitch in my town.... NP tears for fears 'woman in chains' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 02:03:00 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, Vincent "Victor Johnson" >I would tend to agree with Jamie here, that >she was just making small talk and finding an amusing way to deal with the >situation. It's not like this is a serious "60" minutes interview. I >don't see what the big deal is really. I agree that she was wryly dealing with the situation. It's not a BIG deal, but whatever size deal it is, it's meaningful to some extent. It's long been a part of the Joni canon (until only recently) that she doesn't like to look back, and rarely performed older songs. That's why on her more recent tours (with Dylan, pre-orchestra) so many were so delighted that she did indeed sing some older songs. And she did them without the audience having to shout requests, which I agree, is often a drag. My prior suggestion that an artist can give the audience a small taste of comfort and familiarity while still presenting new material remains valid. "Mark or Travis" wrote" >>But Jamie, she's using that illustration to fend off requests for >>her to sing an old song. > >Fred that doesn't make sense. The song she follows that monologue up >with is 'The Circle Game' Are we sure that what is on record is chronologically sequential? Edits can imperceptible. I haven't gone back to check, but does she say anything like " ... paint a Starry Night again ... and now we're gonna do Circle Game"? If not, it could be an out of sequence edit. "Kakki" wrote: >>Not to gang up on Fred (really Fred!) but I had this thought of Fred >>playing with his jazz band in a stylish sophisticated setting and >>wondering how he would respond if several people in the audience >>started disrupting the planned set yelling out requests. Fred, you >>may have had a better comeback or analogy, but as far as the way >>Joni diverted the attention, I think she was successful for coming >>up with something clever on short notice. People yelling out requests during my set would be a welcome improvement; I played versus a large table of loud, drunk Russians last Saturday ... they were yelling, but it had nothing to do with the music. But I agree that Joni is successful at diffusing the tension, and I do realize that straddling the line between pleasing one's self as an artist and pleasing the audience is a difficult task. If an artist wants to concentrate exclusively on new material, that's great with me, or wants just to do hits (as long as they're freshly performed), that's cool, too. I understand both motives. I agree: she's not into denying the audience, she does do some older songs on the MOA gigs (well, they're not as old then as they are now), and she is gently trying to push the audience into accepting some new stuff ... that's all fine and well. But her specific analogy, which is clearly a response to requests for older songs, falls apart upon examination. I want to remind everyone that I began my diatribe by saying this bit of illogic on Joni's part is an admitted pet peeve of mine; I've never said that I can't go at it over a relatively picayune issue like this with the best of them. C'mon ... sometimes it's fun to argue about nothing. Besides, it's fine if Joni doesn't always make perfect sense, isn't it? She's still SIQUOMB, isn't she? - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #409 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?