From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #408 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, October 23 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 408 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Songs I Wish Joni Would Cove [Joseph Palis ] Re: Joni Covers and Birthday ["Kakki" ] California Rock (vljc) ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Who are all you people out there? Joni loving people [Mauski4648@aol.com] Re: Who are all you people out there? Joni loving people [AsharaJM@aol.co] Re: Who are all you people out there? Joni loving people [SCJoniGuy@aol.c] Re: Re: BOY GEORGE on Bowie, Joni, Vincent [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Re: BOY GEORGE on Bowie, Joni, Vincent ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Joni's Soprano? [TBAEHNER@aol.com] Re: A Case of Joni [LasaterJ@aol.com] RE: A Case of Joni ["Eric Wilcox" ] Joni song & mention on lifetime & NYC (SJC) ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: Joni song & mention on lifetime & NYC (SJC) ["Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Songs I Wish Joni Would Cove I would love to hear her sing: THE FOLKS WHO LIVE ON THE HILL TWO FOR THE ROAD and ALFIE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 14:39:32 +0800 (PHT) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Songs I Wish Joni Would Cove > Eric Wilcox wrote: > > > If we're talking about her new jazz standard phase--- I'd love to hear Joni > > sing "The Man that Got Away"-- made famous by Judy Garland. :) > > In the meantime, get Jeff Buckley singing it on Mystery White Boy. It is > spectacular. > > ... or Audra McDonald's version from her latest album! Beyond category. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 02:14:45 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Tom Rush (SJC) Clark and I took in the Tom Rush concert at McCabe's Saturday night. As we walked in the door, there was the impossibly handsome Rush talking with a guy who was mentioning "Joni" and "back in 1967". Clark and I perused the CDs on sale and I picked out a remastering of his 1963 "Blues, Songs and Ballads". Like last year there were many people coming up to him talking about "when I saw you in Cambridge in 1967" and so on. He certainly has a hard core loyal following here in L.A. The show started and he played a number of different songs, all impeccably. He played "Circle Game" about the fourth song in and said that someone had specifically requested it. He did not play Urge For Going and Clark and I lamented not requesting that one when we saw him earlier. He was wonderful and even funnier than last year - his show is equal parts music and comedy and he is a truly hilarious storyteller. He also talked a bit about Club 47 where Joni used to play and said it was a very tiny room (only fot 80 people max). He was very engaging and invited us all to his "10th Annual 50th Birthday Party" a kind of week-long of "TomFest" which will be held February 3 - 10, 2001 at the Wyndam Sugar Bay Beach Resort in St. Thomas, Virgin Islands. Other partygoers include Jonathan Edwards, Patty Larkin, Fritz Richmond and Christopher Williams. More information is available through his website at http://www.tomrush.com At one point he asked if anyone in the audience had a digital camera so he could send a photo of us to his website. No one did (this was a mostly pre-tech crowd ;-) There is also an internet concert (recorded 10/8) airing today at 11:00 a.m. EST on Boston radio station's website at http://www.wumb.org Kakki NP: Byrds - Living Rock 1972 - It Won't Be Wrong (with John Guerin on drums - small Joni world ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 02:23:41 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Covers and Birthday Hell wrote: << I'm picturing a hand-made box containing all the CD's, with an appropriate image etched on > the top. I'm even volunteering to make it, assuming someone (ie. Bob) > provides me with the required dimensions, or at least the total number of > CDs!? >> And Bob replied: > Better start building the Ark now, Hell...the treasure chest is up to 15 CD's > and climbing! :~) Hey, we can dub it The Ark of The Joni Covenant" ;-D A few people have contacted me about wanting to help put this project together and I think we could really have a lot of fun with it. The thought is to just start working on it with no set deadline for now. I'll volunteer to coordinate ideas, artwork, written submissions, etc. It would be great if you could build the box, Hell! Maybe we'll need a couple! Anyone who wants to create something for this project, please let me know and I'll post about more details soon. Kakki NP: Byrds - Lover of the Bayou ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:49:19 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: California Rock (vljc) Leslie wrote : Leslie Happy that I found a copy of "California Rock - California Sound" in a Marin bookstore yesterday I'm Jealous! I've been trying to find a copy of this book for years. The shot of Joni walking through the desert in the blue dress is AWESOME! - -Chris NP:"Persephone"-Barbara Kessler ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:39:01 EDT From: Mauski4648@aol.com Subject: Who are all you people out there? Joni loving people I wish I knew who all of you people are, wouldn't some of you like to tell a far off German Joni admirer, 52, female, who you are and what it is that makes you feel about Joni the way you do? I got to know Joni from the first album that was published, played for me by my old school friend Cindy Sadlowski from Grand Rapids (I wish I knew where she is now..) and then I lost touch and rediscovered Joni on Hejira which I still love deeply today. I remember reading a critic's very stupid article about Joni telling the same story all over again, meeting a man and being disappointed..guess that guy wished that the girls would stick to one man, loving him or not, all their life long.. I am a teacher, and here in Germany Joni is not well known to the kids. I always look for a chance to introduce her to them, like now I'm teaching prose and drama about 'fallen women' in the 18th century and later and I get the girls to write essays on that subject and make them interprete 'Magdalena Launderies'. I also introduce her works on the poems by Yeats and Blake about 'Taming the tiger'..although I am not an English teacher..And when we study Doeblin, Berlin Alexanderplatz - a very deep novel about Berlin in the late Twenties which deals with Hiob on a referential level - I play Sire of Sorrow for them. I always find excuses... I wish I knew all you - or rather - some of you people who do such great things as Jonifests...would somebody please tell me what that means? Thanks to Ashara and Bob Mueller for welcoming me on the list..LOve from Karin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:06:45 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Who are all you people out there? Joni loving people Hi Karin, << I wish I knew all you - or rather - some of you people who do such great things as Jonifests...would somebody please tell me what that means? >> Jonifests are when lots of us gather together in one place, and talk about Joni, as well as other things, play alot of music, (especailyl Joni) and generally just connect in person rather than through the computer. Go to: www.jmdl.com, and click on "Jonifests." You will see everything you ever wanted to know about them!! :-) Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:37:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Who are all you people out there? Joni loving people << I wish I knew who all of you people are, wouldn't some of you like to tell a far off German Joni admirer, 52, female, who you are and what it is that makes you feel about Joni the way you do? >> Stay tuned, Karin, you'll probably learn more about us than you want to know! Like f'rinstance, that I used to live in Grand Rapids too, and had a girlfriend named Karen! :~) Bob NP: Coyote ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:24:11 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: BOY GEORGE on Bowie, Joni, Vincent "Jamie Zubairi" wrote: >While I agree with this - and it is well put, the thing that we forget >is the Joni was actually high-lighting the differences between the two worlds. >To quote: 'That's one thing that's like, a, been a MAJOR DIFFERENCE to me between >a performing arts to me and being a painter, y'know... like a painter does >a painting and he does a painting, that's it. He's had the joy of creating >it, and he hangs it on some wall and somebody buys it, somebody buys it again, >or maybe nobody buys it and it sits up in some loft until he dies. But >he's never, they, nobody ever says to him, nobody ever said to Van Gogh, 'Paint >a Starry Night, again, man. hehehe. He painted it, that was it!' > >She was talking about the differences between the two, not the similarities. >And wasn't using one as an analogy for the other, just using them to point >up the difference of the other. But Jamie, she's using that illustration to fend off requests for her to sing an old song. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:15:59 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Re: BOY GEORGE on Bowie, Joni, Vincent I'm not sure if she is... she seems light hearted about the whole thing. Fend off...? More a little digression really. A performer will have a setlist and they more or less tend to stick to it, especially if they have a band on board... I can hear a smile in the voice when she speaks, especially, 'he painted it that was it'. And whether she was fending off or not, I don't know as I wasn't there but to me the whole 'painter does a painting thing' seems a little misconstrued. She is talking about the major differences between the two Arts, possibly saying that, okay, she is at a stage that she does have a big back catalogue (even in 1974) and people will have favourites. Faced with a crowd that are shouting out requests, she comes up with a little discussion about the difference between painting and singing (her fans will have known her as a painter as well, I expect, due to her album covers and her concerts, probably) and she sings what she has to sing (mainly because she is singing with a band and she has to have a point where they come back in again and it has to be more or less the same each night.) I wouldn't call it complaining. - ----- Original Message ----- From: >She was talking about the differences between the two, not the similarities. >And wasn't using one as an analogy for the other, just using them to point >up the difference of the other. >But Jamie, she's using that illustration to fend off requests for her to sing >an old song. >-Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:34:56 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: BOY GEORGE on Bowie, Joni, Vincent In a message dated 10/22/00 5:15:48 PM, jamiezoob@talk21.com writes: >I'm not sure if she is... she seems light hearted about the whole thing. >Fend off...? More a little digression really. Fend off ... retort ... answer ... whatever you want to call it, Joni is very clearly using this digression to explain why she is not eager to honor the requests for the older song. She says, "Nobody ever said to Van Gogh, 'Paint a Starry Night, again, man.' hehehe. He painted it, that was it!" Why else would she have even brought this up if not to respond, however light heartedly, to requests for her to sing an old song *again*? And my complaint still stands: no one was asking her to "paint" (create) the song again, merely to sing it again ... which is what songs are meant for. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:43:39 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Re: BOY GEORGE on Bowie, Joni, Vincent > I'm not sure if she is... she seems light hearted about the whole thing. > Fend off...? More a little digression really. A performer will have a > setlist and they more or less tend to stick to it, especially if they have a > band on board... I can hear a smile in the voice when she speaks, > especially, 'he painted it that was it'. This reminds me of seeing Joni this year in Atlanta, and someone one shouting out a request( I can't remember what it was) and her turning around to the 70 piece orchestra and saying, "Ok guys, can we improvise on one.", completely tounge in cheek. I would tend to agree with Jamie here, that she was just making small talk and finding an amusing way to deal with the situation. It's not like this is a serious "60" minutes interview. I don't see what the big deal is really. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:06:13 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Calling a couple of JMDLer's... Well, the good news is I got my computer back - the bad news is I've had to reload everything, so I lost my JMDL E-Mail address book. I need to talk to the following folks: Linda M. Byron Janine Meanwhile, here's the JC... NP: Sex Kills Bob :~) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:22:36 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, Vincent In a message dated 10/22/00 6:44:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FredNow@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 10/22/00 5:15:48 PM, jamiezoob@talk21.com writes: >I'm not sure if she is... she seems light hearted about the whole thing. >Fend off...? More a little digression really. Fend off ... retort ... answer ... whatever you want to call it, Joni is very clearly using this digression to explain why she is not eager to honor the requests for the older song. She says, "Nobody ever said to Van Gogh, 'Paint a Starry Night, again, man.' hehehe. He painted it, that was it!" Why else would she have even brought this up if not to respond, however light heartedly, to requests for her to sing an old song *again*? And my complaint still stands: no one was asking her to "paint" (create) the song again, merely to sing it again ... which is what songs are meant for. -Fred Simon >> She is in one long breath fending off the requests for old songs and also entreating her audience to open up to her newer material, which is what she seems to have mostly prepared with a new band and a new sound. Remember, this is from "Miles of Aisles," which is recorded while she is still making the transition from solo performer to one backed by a band, much akin to what Dylan did when at Newport when he brought The Band along with him. Paul I, who removed Boy George from the subject line because he has no use for or interest in that worthless POS, though I do like Bowie. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:32:22 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Re: BOY GEORGE on Bowie, Joni, Vincent > But Jamie, she's using that illustration to fend off requests for her to sing > an old song. Fred that doesn't make sense. The song she follows that monologue up with is 'The Circle Game', and she even invites the audience to sing along with her. One of her best known & 'older' songs. Right before she launches into the painting/performing arts thing she responds to somebody's welcome suggestion to 'play what you want' by saying 'all right!' I just listened to the whole exchange & there isn't just one overwhelming suggestion being shouted at her, there are numerous requests coming from the audience. I don't think she's refusing to sing a particular song just because she doesn't want to. She's giving the audience a little something to laugh at & think about, maybe easing a little tension and freeing herself to go on with the planned set. Maybe like Judy (Garland, that is), she'd like to 'sing 'em all & we'll stay all night!' but it just isn't possible. I also think that Jamie has a very valid point. She's playing a show with a band and the set list has been determined in advance. There is also the problem of her numerous tunings. Makes it harder just to play a request in the middle of a show, don't you think? Maybe there is a bit of wistful longing for the pleasure she derives from painting, creating something new everytime she goes to the brushes and pleasing only herself rather than having to constantly reinvent the same works to please an audience. But she knows the nature of the art she is practicing on that stage. That monologue, as others have already stated, points up the difference between her two arts. I don't think it was meant to perversely deny an audience what they came to hear. That concert has plenty of chestnuts from her first five albums to make even the most die-hard early Joni fan happy. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:57:11 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Vote on these card ideas If you haven't voted already, here's the URL to see the cards' images. http://www.jonimitchell.com/BDCard/BDcardArt.html Then send an email to Jim Johanson at JoniMessages@aol.com All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu npimh: that old 'crap' pop song that goes, "Precious and few are the moments we toucans share." At least that's the way _I_ always heard it! What?! It's a song about colorful tropical birds! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:59:54 EDT From: TBAEHNER@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Soprano? Thanks for all the responses to my post. I especially liked the long detailed opera voice explanations. I'm going to buy Both Sides Now and see if I can adjust to Joni's new low voice. If not there's always Judy Sings Dylan, etc. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:03:42 EDT From: LasaterJ@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of Joni Apologies if this topic has already come up on the list... Is anyone else more than a little disappointed by the track listing of "A Case of Joni?" For starters, there are only 13 tracks, and they could have easily fit 4 or 5 more on the CD. I'm not crazy about the song selection either...I mean, ANOTHER cover of Big Yellow Taxi? ANOTHER cover of Woodstock? The selection of songs is heavily skewed in favor of Joni's early, folk period, and it almost completely ignores the last 20 years of her music. They (Warner Bros.?) make matters worse by recycling covers that most of us already have (the Sarah McLachlan and Annie Lennox tracks, new studio versions of Elton John's "Free Man" and kd lang's "Help Me" from the tribute concert... or at least, I hope they're new studio versions...) Lastly, most of the artists who have been the most outspoken in their admiration of Joni's work (Peter Gabriel, Sting, Prince, and Paul Westerberg are some names that come to mind) are nowhere to be found on the tribute album. And what is Duncan Sheik doing on anyone's tribute album? Did Joni pick these songs and the artists who perform them? I'll buy it the day it comes out, of course. - -John in North Carolina NP: Patty Griffin, Flaming Red ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:12:18 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: A Case of Joni Am I the only one that likes Duncan Sheik? Yes-- the hit "Barely Breathing" is a bit tiresome-- but I think that his first album is very strong-- "She Runs Away" is wonderful-- as well as "Reasons for Living." I bought his second album and found it to be a bit of a bore. But I think he's a valid artist-- and he's within a genre that would make him a very good candidate for a tribute album. eric - --- eric wilcox edwilcox@students.wisc.edu "It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious." -Oscar Wilde - --- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of LasaterJ@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:04 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: A Case of Joni Apologies if this topic has already come up on the list... Is anyone else more than a little disappointed by the track listing of "A Case of Joni?" For starters, there are only 13 tracks, and they could have easily fit 4 or 5 more on the CD. I'm not crazy about the song selection either...I mean, ANOTHER cover of Big Yellow Taxi? ANOTHER cover of Woodstock? The selection of songs is heavily skewed in favor of Joni's early, folk period, and it almost completely ignores the last 20 years of her music. They (Warner Bros.?) make matters worse by recycling covers that most of us already have (the Sarah McLachlan and Annie Lennox tracks, new studio versions of Elton John's "Free Man" and kd lang's "Help Me" from the tribute concert... or at least, I hope they're new studio versions...) Lastly, most of the artists who have been the most outspoken in their admiration of Joni's work (Peter Gabriel, Sting, Prince, and Paul Westerberg are some names that come to mind) are nowhere to be found on the tribute album. And what is Duncan Sheik doing on anyone's tribute album? Did Joni pick these songs and the artists who perform them? I'll buy it the day it comes out, of course. - -John in North Carolina NP: Patty Griffin, Flaming Red ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:56:42 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: Joni song & mention on lifetime & NYC (SJC) I just finished watching the Lifetime concert tonight Girls and Guitars and it was great, I loved it. Those who know me know I am a huge Heart fan also and they love Joni. So at one part the girls from Heart, Sheryl Crow, Melissa Ethridge, Wynonna, Cyndi Lauper and Amy Grant are sitting around jamming and they say they they have to do a song by another great female artist Joni. So They play Big Yellow Taxi (in standard tuning) and then afterwards they say that they wish Joni was there, and playing...etc. she is so great...etc. Then they said "Wait...no...cause then none of us would be able to play if Joni was playing" She is a guitar goddess or something to that effect. And 1 of them(I forget which one) waves her arms up and down like bowing to Joni...lol. I was happy they were acknowledging Joni, even though they played Big Yellow Taxi, and what a huge impact she had in their lives. I just finished watching it cause I was in NYC w/ Julius, May, Patrick, Allison, Rose & her brother and we went to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. It was so overwhelming all the incredible art in that building and Patrick was nice enough to be my tour guide...he amazes me w/ his knowledge! It was a fun day and great to see everyone again! Thanks for coming out to play! Love Nikki "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:56:40 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: A Case Of Joni, Duncan... John wrote "Did Joni pick these songs and the artists who perform them?" I'm not sure the answer to this question, though I do believe in it's original incarnation, Joni DID have some hand in the pick and choose, at least to say "Let's contact these folks and see if they'd like to..." kind of thing. This project has taken many years to finally get in the can (too many...), and I remember the first article I read about it making reference to a list of decided song possibilities that various artists could pick and choose from. At this time, the Rolling Stones (believe it, my friends) were slated to do a cover of "Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire", and Joni was pleased about this, feeling she could trust in them to execute a gritty feel she couldn't quite get down. Indigo Girls were also included at this time ("River"?), and are now nowhere to be found. Well, we'll have to take it for what it is... As far as Duncan goes, I think he's a true talent, a new(er) songwriter rich with ideas. His live performance needs some work, though - I saw him open 'unplugged' for Shawn Colvin 2 nights in a row, and it was (eh-hem) lacking. -Chris ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:05:58 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Joni song & mention on lifetime & NYC (SJC) I think it was Melissa Etheridge doing the bowing! The show airs again tomorrow evening at 11pm PST for those who missed it. Brenda Nikki Johnson wrote: > I just finished watching the Lifetime concert tonight Girls and Guitars and > it was great, I loved it. Those who know me know I am a huge Heart fan also > and they love Joni. So at one part the girls from Heart, Sheryl Crow, > Melissa Ethridge, Wynonna, Cyndi Lauper and Amy Grant are sitting around > jamming and they say they they have to do a song by another great female > artist Joni. So They play Big Yellow Taxi (in standard tuning) and then > afterwards they say that they wish Joni was there, and playing...etc. she is > so great...etc. Then they said "Wait...no...cause then none of us would be > able to play if Joni was playing" She is a guitar goddess or something to > that effect. And 1 of them(I forget which one) waves her arms up and down > like bowing to Joni...lol. I was happy they were acknowledging Joni, even > though they played Big Yellow Taxi, and what a huge impact she had in their > lives. > I just finished watching it cause I was in NYC w/ Julius, May, Patrick, > Allison, Rose & her brother and we went to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. > It was so overwhelming all the incredible art in that building and Patrick > was nice enough to be my tour guide...he amazes me w/ his knowledge! It was > a fun day and great to see everyone again! Thanks for coming out to play! > Love Nikki > > "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ > Billy Joel ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #408 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?