From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #400 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, October 17 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 400 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Women and Popular Music [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Joni on DVD Audio ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: The Tip Top Prize [Susan McNamara ] Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch [Catherine McKay ] Corinthians Mondegreen ["Jamie Zubairi" ] New York, Just like I pictured it... [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: One More Ton of The Lord's Prayer [Catherine McKay ] A Case of Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] pin me, too, Dean [Cindy09876@aol.com] Re: Bob and Rambling Jack and Woody ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Vanity Fair [dsk ] Re: A Case of Joni [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: A Case of Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A Case of Joni [michael w yarbrough ] Chaka turns into Genghis [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Chaka turns into Genghis ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:07:31 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Women and Popular Music I've been lent a copy of a book called "Women and Popular Music" by Sheila Whitely who is Professor of Popular Music at Salford University, UK. It's a book which seeks to explore the changing role of women musicians and the ways in which their songs resonate in popular culture, starting in the 60s and moving through to the present day. The sub title is "sexuality, itentity and subjectivity". The opening lines and, indeed, much of the content of the introduction feature the role of Joni Mitchell. Much is made of the difficulties for women in a male dominated industry and credit is given to Joni for demonstrating what can be done. Apparently, in the last 20 years, no more than 5 women have been appointed heads of any UK record companies and the statistics in the US are worse. Chapter six is called "The Lonely Road: Joni Mitchell, Blue and subjectivity" and is essentially an analysis of the album, Blue. As usual, there are one or two factual inaccuracies, but what is good is that it's a very musical analysis, examining harmonies, chord progressions and musical structure and relating all this to the lyrics with lots of written examples. It's a very enjoyable read and the writer is clearly a fan, the last line being :- It is a personal experience that is communicated with wit and intelligence and has certainly proved an inspiration for me. Others featured in the book include Janis Joplin, Annie Lennox, Madonna, k.d.lang and Tori Amos, ending with Brit pop and the Spice Girls. Hope this hasn't already been discussed. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 07:28:58 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Joni on DVD Audio I wish they would release Shadows & Light on DVD.... JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Hi! Just wanted to pass on the news that Warner Music Group has just > announced that it will release a Joni album in the new DVD Audio format soon. > > > I don't want to get into the audiophile-speak here, but basically, DVD-Audio > titles are remixed from original master recordings to create multichannel > surround tracks for DVD-Audio players and DVD Video players. That is to say, > you'll be able to listen to the Joni album in "surround sound" on your DVD > player. > > They don't say which album they will release in the new format, but I hope > it's Blue or Hejira and that it's out there before the holidays. I'm > dreaming of "River" in surround sound by the yule fireside. The new discs > are said to be priced at $25. > > -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:01:54 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: The Tip Top Prize At 9:15 PM -0400 10/12/00, Victor Johnson wrote: >There's nothing that touches Jethro Tull "Thick as a Brick" in my opinion. >But as soon as I label anything as the "greatest" something else immediately >comes to mind. Another Tull fan comes to light!!! What courage!! May I add A Passion Play to that thought? cool!! take care, sue (who always thinks of joni as one of the original PROGs) :-) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:06:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch - --- Michael Paz wrote: > As far as I am concerned songwriters, rhymers, and > the like should be given > the latitude because they are almost always singers > as well. Dave Matthews, > Robert Plant and a host of other singers take all > kinds of latitudes when it > comes to proper annunciation is concerned. I > remember Elton pronouncing > garage as guerrrage in Levon, but it was one of the > charming things about > the song. Late again as always... "Garage" is one of those words that is pronounced several different ways depending on where you're from. Even in my own family, my sister pronounces it "GaRAJ" ("J" like the G's in "George", rhymes with Badge); I pronounce it "GarRAWZh" ("zh" like the "s" in pleasure"). Most Brits I've heard say it pronounce it "GARage" to rhyme with "carriage". (Psst, I like the big boo-hoo, so what do I know?) _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:16:51 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Joni on Webcast now! Just a quickie to say that www.wfuv.org is playing Joni music right now!!! I just online to I Had A King and now playing straight after Goodbye Porkpie Hat!! Wow Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:34:58 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Corinthians Mondegreen well, all this talk about Kiss This Guy reminded me of a mondegreen that I was guilty of for a long time. In Joni's song 'Love' I always thought that she sang 'Love - never looks for love Love's not puffed up or envious or touchy Because it rejoices in the truth Not in the nicotine' as opposed to 'not in iniquity' I thought that it sounded a little funny for a long time but accepted it as I knew of her penchant for smoking. It wasn't until I bought a copy of the album with the lyrics printed inside the tape cover and read through it. Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:14:56 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: New York, Just like I pictured it... Okay. It's official! I will be in the City That Never Sleeps from Friday, October 20 to Wednesday October 25. I won't make it in time to catch the *opening* of David Lahm's all-Joni program at Judy's Chelsea, but I will attend on the 24th. I do hope some jmdlers will be at liberty to join me and (Atty.)May that night. I'm also setting aside Sunday for hanging with Joni-friends. Patrick, Rose, Alison, Nikki, Duane, Debra Shea, and all other units in the vacinity...won't you come out and play? I'm thinking brunch or something. I'm all ears for other activity suggestions though. Actually, Patrick I'm counting on you for pointers on how to do NY right, please? I'm subletting an apartment on the Upper West Side at 370 Columbus Avenue, Apt. 4B, between 77th and 78th Avenues. It's right across the street from the Museum of Natural History and across Central Park from the Met Museum of Art. I'll be checking out both museums. If anyone wants to come with, you're welcome to. Then the new planitarium is within walking distance too. Plus we'll be painting the town red and taking in much jazz and blues. You can always reach me on my cell at 415-672-5734. Hope to see some of you easterners soon. WooHoo. - -Julius npimh: 'Look out the left the captain said/the lights down there that's where we land" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:24:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: One More Ton of The Lord's Prayer - --- c Karma wrote: > My religious confusion started before Vatican II, > when the mass was > celebrated in Latin. The prayer and response which > now reads "May the Lord > be with you"/"And also with you" was then answered > by (don't know if I'm > spelling this correctly) "Et cum spirit tu tuo." I > always thought that this > response was a telephone number. I always pictured the holy ghost in a tutu! _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:35:48 +0100 From: "joe farrell" Subject: re:a case of joni Looking at the list of contributors to this soon to be released,hopefully, Joni tribute album it is definitely something to look forward to. News posted on the website with more to come. Joe. NP Kate Bush The Whole Story. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:38:27 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: A Case of Joni Just in case y'all haven't seen it...from JM.com... A Case of Joni, the tribute CD due out this winter on Reprise, is sure to delight Joni's fans as well as fans of all the artists who have made contributions to it. Here's what we can look forward to hearing on the CD: PM Dawn, “Night in the City” Annie Lennox, “Ladies of the Canyon” Stevie Wonder, “Woodstock” Janet Jackson, “Beat of Black Wings” Duncan Sheik, “Court and Spark” kd lang, “Help Me” Sarah McLachlan, “Blue” Elvis Costello, “Edith and the Kingpin” Chaka Khan, “Hejira” Etta James, “Amelia” Elton John, “Free Man In Paris” Bjork, “Boho Dance” Lindsey Buckingham with Mick Fleetwood, “Big Yellow Taxi” I wonder if the Sarah & Annie recordings are going to be re-releases of what's already out there... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:00:48 EDT From: Cindy09876@aol.com Subject: pin me, too, Dean Aloha, Dean.... Pin me, too, okay? I'm in Birmingham, Alabama, about "smack-dab" in the middle of the state, as they say here. Been here for about 30 of my 38 years, and afraid I'm here to stay for awhile, though I plan to grow old(er!) down there near you, Paz, in NOLA, the city of my dreams. Cindy, who definately has a big ole case of wanderlust due to this thread. Who wants to lend us their guest room first?? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:18:08 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Bob and Rambling Jack and Woody Bruce Merrill asked, > So, is it fair to say that Ramblin' Bob Dylan is a self-concocted as, say, > Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars? Uhmmm. I guess it's FAIR to say although it's BLASPHEMY and you'll burn in HELL for it!! :) Seriously though, that's a fascinating image- Dylan copping Ramblin' Jack's mojo...... Maybe Ramblin' Jack is the only one who saw it that way...... Hmmm. I wonder how the Dylan List views it. :) All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:17:17 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Vanity Fair Debra Shea wrote about Vanity Fair's new issue and noting the lack of Joni: "And no Joni pictures?" Debra, I too looked at that issue today at my local grocery store and was sorely disappointed at the lack of Joni (have some Rolling Stone writers jumped ship to V.F.?? Those swine!). But in Elvis Costello's article, there were album covers interspersed and Hejira was in among them. Still a striking picture at the size of a postage stamp. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:38:45 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Vanity Fair Yes, the little Hejira cover jumped right out at me too. Seeing it was very soothing (strange maybe but that's how it felt). It was an ahhhh experience, so much so that I couldn't even look at any of the other covers. Not as interesting as an article or photos would have been though. The politics of getting into that issue must have been fierce. Debra Shea Lindsay Moon wrote: > Debra, I too looked at that issue today at my local grocery store and was > sorely disappointed at the lack of Joni (have some Rolling Stone writers > jumped ship to V.F.?? Those swine!). But in Elvis Costello's article, > there were album covers interspersed and Hejira was in among them. Still a > striking picture at the size of a postage stamp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:23:21 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of Joni In a message dated 10/16/00 5:51:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Here's what we can look forward to hearing on the CD: PM Dawn, “Night in the City” Annie Lennox, “Ladies of the Canyon” Stevie Wonder, “Woodstock” Janet Jackson, “Beat of Black Wings” Duncan Sheik, “Court and Spark” kd lang, “Help Me” Sarah McLachlan, “Blue” Elvis Costello, “Edith and the Kingpin” Chaka Khan, “Hejira” Etta James, “Amelia” Elton John, “Free Man In Paris” Bjork, “Boho Dance” Lindsey Buckingham with Mick Fleetwood, “Big Yellow Taxi” >> 3 from C&S, 3 from LOTC, 2 Hejira, 2 HOSL, 1 STAS, 1 Blue, 1 CMIARS. No Clouds or For the Roses, let alone no DED? Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:52:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of Joni <> kd's and Elton's versions are gonna sound like the TNT Tribute, which is OK but won't offer up anything different. Hopefully, Duncan & Chaka can save face with their "take two" performances of the songs that they butchered at Joni's Jazz. Can't wait to hear Stevie's take on Woodstock, that will soar, and I can hear Elvis' "Edith" already in my head. Also anxious to hear Bjork & P.M. Dawn. Hey, who am I kidding...covers junkie that *I* am, I'll love it all!! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:09:30 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: A Case of Joni On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Hopefully, Duncan & Chaka can save > face with their "take two" performances of the songs that they butchered at > Joni's Jazz. ?!?! Chaka's "Hejira" was one of the most thrilling live musical performances I've ever experienced. Maybe you had to be there...? - --Michael NP: Prince, _Controversy_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:14:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Chaka turns into Genghis << Maybe you had to be there...? >> I guess...I think people were so excited about the POSSIBILITIES there that they overlooked the fact that she focused more on her screeching than what the song is saying emotionally. She tried to peak vocally WAY too early and left herself with nowhere to build to. Just my 2 cents, and I wasn't there... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:22:27 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Chaka turns into Genghis > << Maybe you had to be there...? >> > > I guess...I think people were so excited about the POSSIBILITIES there that > they overlooked the fact that she focused more on her screeching than what > the song is saying emotionally. She tried to peak vocally WAY too early and > left herself with nowhere to build to. > > Just my 2 cents, and I wasn't there... > > Bob > For what it's worth, this was my impression too. I really couldn't see the point of Chaka's oversinging on Joni's Jazz. In fact the vocals as a whole were less than impressive to me. With one or two exceptions (John Kelly being one, Hendricks & Ross being another). Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:06:16 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Apples, Cheeses and Liebfraumilch on 10/16/00 10:06 AM, Catherine McKay at anima_rising@yahoo.ca wrote: > > --- Michael Paz wrote: >> As far as I am concerned songwriters, rhymers, and >> the like should be given >> the latitude because they are almost always singers >> as well. Dave Matthews, >> Robert Plant and a host of other singers take all >> kinds of latitudes when it >> comes to proper annunciation is concerned. I >> remember Elton pronouncing >> garage as guerrrage in Levon, but it was one of the >> charming things about >> the song. > > Late again as always... > > "Garage" is one of those words that is pronounced > several different ways depending on where you're from. > Even in my own family, my sister pronounces it > "GaRAJ" ("J" like the G's in "George", rhymes with > Badge); I pronounce it "GarRAWZh" ("zh" like the "s" > in pleasure"). Most Brits I've heard say it pronounce > it "GARage" to rhyme with "carriage". > > (Psst, I like the big boo-hoo, so what do I know?) I always loved that line too. But man those Brits sho deaux tawlk funy! Tee hee! Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:12:55 EDT From: Hejira924@aol.com Subject: "Dancer In the Dark" and Joni Lyrics I saw the new movie "Dancer in the Dark," starring Bjork, and I highly recommend it to everyone - it is a musical like no other, offbeat, grim and surreal all at once! It was a really good introduction to Bjork's musical world, which I never dared enter before. And now that I read on jonimitchell.com that Bjork will be doing a version of "The Boho Dance" on the new CD package to be released this winter, "A Case of Joni," I wonder if the title of her movie just coincidentally is the same as a line in Joni's song, "My Old Man?" My Old Man He's a singer in the park He's a walker in the rain He's a dancer in the dark Can anyone think of any other lyrics of Joni's that have been expropriated for a movie? It seems to me, there have been other cases where people have stolen some of Joni's great poetic expressions for other uses? Help me out here. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:22:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni on DVD Audio - --- "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > I wish they would release Shadows & Light on DVD.... They did! Problem is, it's a Region 2 DVD (Japanese import) Unless you have a multi-region DVD player, it's just an expemsive Joni-coaster take care, Brian nw: the mets winning 7-0, bottom of the 8th ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #400 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?