From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #393 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, October 11 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 393 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Lonnie and Dom Songs??? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill [SMEBD@aol.com] Blue [Steve Dulson ] The Gallery [Steve Dulson ] pin me up ["Stephen Epstein" ] Fwd: Joni on Farm Aid CD [Susan McNamara ] Blue ["c Karma" ] Farm Aid track list ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: Lonnie and Dom Songs??? [Mark Domyancich ] Attention New Yorkers: I'm IN!!!!!!!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] The Magdalene Diaries [HanknBG@aol.com] err...i mean the magdalene laundries....never do 2 things at once [HanknB] Re: Blue [MGVal@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #538 [BMGKotler@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #538 [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #538 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Conversation [MGVal@aol.com] RE: Conversation ["Wally Kairuz" ] Blue [Leslie Mixon ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:50:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Lonnie and Dom Songs??? <> Julian, The "Lonnie & Dom" is in reality the PBS-TV show, 11/30/69. This was an early tape tree. "Posall & Mosalm" is the common 'bootleg' name given to the WMMR tapes, also an early Tape Tree (#2 I believe) I'm sure you already have it all, sad to say... This material IS available on tape or CD for any JMDLer's who are interested...let me know if any of you newbies (or oldbies) are... I'm always on the prowl like you for those early unreleased tunes. The only other one I know of in circulation is "Day After Day", her first recorded acetate I think. Hoping to get my ears on it someday, but I have to rely on the kindness of strangers just like Blanche Dubois! :~) Congrats on the new addition to your family! I'm sure you're looking forward to the day when you can close the door and declare "Lucy, I'm home" :~D Bob NP: Michelle Shocked, "On The Greener Side" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:49:46 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill Hi Dean! Welcome to the list. I'll play-- Born and raised in Whiteville, NC (small town in the Southeastern part of NC--between Fayetteville and Wilmington). If you can't locate it, don't worry--you're not missing anything. Moved to NYC in 1979 and "I'm Still Here" (but would love to eventually move to LA) Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:52:51 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Blue OK, OK, until we hear from Siquomb herself, I know that we won't know any of this stuff for sure, but... Kate said: >>Steve said >>David Blue, AKA David Cohen.<< >me: that would make sense given his name but not who I am thinking of... She was dating David Blue at the time she was working on the album, which was going to be called River until she came up with the song Blue. There are clippings to document both those facts. >a clue---the line Woman of Heart & Mind- "You come to me like a little boy & >I give you my scorn & my praise. You think I'm like your Mother..." I always thought that was about Mr. Browne... Best, - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:58:32 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: The Gallery Mary wrote: > I always had the sense that it was about Leonard Cohen. I agree with Mary on this. He painted portraits with his words - "Suzanne" anyone? - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:21:47 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: pin me up Hi Dean, Welcome back to the list Born and raised in Burlington, Ontario, Canada (between Toronto and Hamilton) have lived in Vancouver BC for 11 years. Best regards, Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:16:57 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Fwd: Joni on Farm Aid CD Have all of you read about the infamous FARM AID performance? I would LOVE to hear it again: http://www.jonimitchell.com/FarmAid85.html She played the 3 great stimulants and Dog Eat Dog and the audience responded like animals!! The SIQUOMB was pissed! I think it improved the performance!! Let us know if they had the balls to actually put those songs on the CD!! I think that would be great!! Sue > Kids-(OK and Sluts too!!!) > Was just reading the new Rolling Stone during lunch and see that Joni is >on the first Farm Aid Double CD. Don't know if this is new news to anyone, >but me, so I thought I would pass it along anyway. Lots of other good >artists listed on this cd like: DMN, Lou Reed, Don Henley, Johnny Cash, >Elton John, Steve Earle, etc. Sounds like a sluts wet dream and if not at >leat its a very worthy cause for helping out our nations farmers. > >Peace > >Michael (out the door on the way to Tower) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:29:59 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: Blue My conflicted understanding is that "Blue" was written about Graham Nash, because of reading somewhere that "Blue" was Nash's nickname and the line, "You know I've been to sea before, crown and anchor me or let me sail away" was Joni's ultimatum to Nash for marriage. I've never been able to reconcile that interpretation having been given,"we don't need no piece of paper from the city hall keeping us tied and true" just three tracks previously. There's a tragic vein (no pun intended) that begins around here concerning heroin addiction, "songs are like tatoos","underneath the skin an empty space to fill in", "acid booze and ass, needles guns and grass", and later more overtly as "Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire." I don't know if Nash, like Taylor had this demon to contend with and I don't know much about David Blue, but this may turn out to be a continuing mystery. And I'm okay with that. CC "Sometimes the light can be so hard to find." -- JM _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:06:34 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Farm Aid track list Here's the song list for the Farm Aid 2 disc set that was released last month...no Joni. Is there another one? Reuben Rain On The Scarecrow - John Mellencamp City Of New Orleans - Highwaymen Homegrown - Neil Young/Crazy Horse Crash Into Me - Dave Matthews Band Love Letter - Bonnie Raitt Yellow Moon - Neville Brothers Copperhead Road - Steve Earl & The Dukes Wrong Side Of Memphis - Trisha Yearwood God Only Knows - Beach Boys Safe In The Arms Of Love - Martina McBride Run To You - Bryan Adams Paper In Fire - John Mellencamp Last Of His Kind (The Farm Aid Song) - Neil Young Disc2 Peach Picking Time Down In Georgia - Beck/Willie Nelson Folsom Prison Blues - Johnny Cash It Hurt So Bad - Susan Tedeschi Just Like You - Keb' Mo' Guitars, Cadillacs - Dwight Yoakam We Danced Anyway - Deana Carter I've Always Been Crazy - Highwaymen One Time One Night - Los Lobos Best Of All Possible Worlds - Highwaymen Now That's Country - Marty Stuart Sitting In Limbo - Willie Nelson & Family Mother Earth - Neil Young ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:17:27 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Lonnie and Dom Songs??? There is a studio version of Carnival in Kenora also circulating although I haven't heard it. I don't know if the person who has it is still on the list... maybe I can hunt him down. At 9:50 AM -0400 10/10/00, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >I'm always on the prowl like you for those early unreleased tunes. >The only other one I know of in circulation is "Day After Day", her >first recorded acetate I think. Hoping to get my ears on it someday, >but I have to rely on the kindness of strangers just like Blanche >Dubois! :~) - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:22:42 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Attention New Yorkers: I'm IN!!!!!!!!! I will definitely be there next Tuesday night for David Lahm's all Joni night at Judy's Chelsea!! The timing works out well, as I will be there anyway to visit NYU with Jesse. Can't wait to see you all! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:35:57 EDT From: HanknBG@aol.com Subject: The Magdalene Diaries I just bought the Chieftan's Tears of Stone and I was completely blown away by Joni's Magdalene Diaries. I feel as tho I never really listened the song before. So now I keep listening to the original and this version over and over (much to the dismay of my friends who think I've gone off the deep end anyway.) Do any of you know how this song ended up on the Chieftan's CD or just any info about the song? Thanks, Chris I see something of myself in everyone ~Joni Mitchell "hejira" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:36:45 EDT From: HanknBG@aol.com Subject: err...i mean the magdalene laundries....never do 2 things at once I see something of myself in everyone ~Joni Mitchell "hejira" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:07:45 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue In a message dated 10/10/00 8:38:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ckarma@hotmail.com writes: << You know I've been to sea before, crown and anchor me or let me sail away" was Joni's ultimatum to Nash for marriage. I've never been able to reconcile that interpretation having been given,"we don't need no piece of paper from the city hall keeping us tied and true" just three tracks previously. >> Actually, I seem to recall, (but am totally incapable of recalling where), that it was Graham who wanted a more traditional relationship and Joni who turned him down. And that makes sense to me since the institution of marriage did not help her save her child and plunged her into wounds that produce some of the most poignant songs ever. MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:14:02 EDT From: BMGKotler@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #538 I really enjoyed the guessing game about The Midway. I've listened to it myriad times and never got the Crosby connection. Now, it seems so obvious. A few days ago, someone asked who are the "he and she" in Conversation. Since, that's one of my all time favorites, I'm dying to know the answer. I must have missed that digest. I sometimes think it's "TMI" (too much information) to know or venture an educated guess as to who each song is about. I agree (I think) with the person who said songs are about whatever the listener thinks and feels. But, there's the voyeuristic side of me that reads People magazine and wants to know if there's a hidden story in these songs. So, if anyone knows or can guess, who is the guy that walks under her window and whom she loved 30 years ago in Two Grey Rooms? I have been subscribing to this list for a few months and have made a few brief posts, but here is my "How I Found Joni" story: I know I had Court and Spark in junior high school, because I remember taking French classes and thinking I was so cool that I knew what SHE was talking about when she sang Wander down the Champs Elysses. And then, several years later I was madly in love with a guy who played the guitar in a band. They played a lot of Neil Young, CSN, etc. Their crowd and his sister, in particular, used to say I looked like a brown-haired, brown-eyed Joni Mitchell. So, I was compelled to check her out. I never quite saw the resemblance, but when I listened to the early albums, I found a kindred spirit. Her voice, her words, the chords -- it got to every ounce of me. I felt it in my heart and my mind and my skin and my veins. I had been into music for a while and had some favorites, but nobody drew me in like that. I was in my early 20's, just out of college, in love with a wanderer and trying to find my place in the world. I decided to leave NY and drive to California (hearing that everything's warmer there). My little car, $1,000, my cigarettes and copies of Blue, Ladies of the Canyon, Miles of Aisles, etc. All by my self in a car for days, heading to a place I'd never been and where I knew no one. It sounds corny, but I think those songs and her story gave me the strength to just pack up and go and be free. I was a kid from the suburbs who had been "poisoned with protection." Joni's songs, Joni's story of her life -- they've sustained me through the years. I've been listening to Clouds this week and it's still so relevant and fresh and alive. It doesn't feel nostalgic, as some other music from that time does. I never knew , until I found JoniMitchell.com, that all of you existed. Sometimes I start going on about Joni and once in a while someone would say, "Oh you're one of those Joni Mitchell chicks who knows all the words to all those songs," blah, blah, blah. So, I knew there were others who had been touched as I had, but I didn't know you were all so well organized! I'm glad I found you kindred spirits of the internet. I'm glad I decided to break down and get a computer (fear that my 3-year-old would be left behind). I'm glad that just before I go to bed at night I log on and see what you all have to say. So, that's my story and goodnight for now. Maddie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:24:49 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #538 In a message dated 10/10/00 8:37:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BMGKotler@aol.com writes: << few days ago, someone asked who are the "he and she" in Conversation. Since, that's one of my all time favorites, I'm dying to know the answer. >> That was I. I'm dying to know too, but I don't think anyone really knows. I always had this feeling it might be either Dylan and Joan Baez or James Taylor and carly Simon. Anyway, welcome home Maddy. Glad you found your way. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:37:39 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #538 In a message dated 10/10/00 9:31:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RoseMJoy@aol.com writes: << << few days ago, someone asked who are the "he and she" in Conversation. Since, that's one of my all time favorites, I'm dying to know the answer. >> That was I. I'm dying to know too, but I don't think anyone really knows. I always had this feeling it might be either Dylan and Joan Baez or James Taylor and carly Simon. >> I think the song was written way too early to be about James and Carly, and the storyline gives me no reason to think of Dylan and Baez. I cannot suggest replacement names because I've always thought it was about someone not in the music business, but about three other people she knew, and that the story is told as if it's her, but it's really about a friend of hers who is the other woman in this relationship. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:31:56 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Conversation In a message dated 10/10/00 5:37:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, BMGKotler@aol.com writes: << A few days ago, someone asked who are the "he and she" in Conversation. >> The "he and she" in the song "Conversation" is supposed to be Stephen Stills and Judy Collins. And then Joni singing about the two. MG - having heard that from someone who was likethis with Stills ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:47:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Conversation yeah, where did i read that conversation IS about stephen stills? why would stephen stills constantly bring joni mitchell apples and cheeses, though? did he think she needed to put on some weight? perhaps she knew a recipe that combined the two ingredients? what could that dish be? wallyk, obviously without a life << The "he and she" in the song "Conversation" is supposed to be Stephen Stills and Judy Collins. And then Joni singing about the two. MG - having heard that from someone who was likethis with Stills ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:06:49 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Blue Hey Kate: At first I thought you were referring to Crosby and now with the Woman Of Heart & Mind hint, "...you come to me like a little boy..." Do the dots connect to "Willie"....is my child he is my father.... Is it Graham? Leslie M. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #393 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?