From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #392 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, October 10 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 392 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Blue ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #536 ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #535 [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] Re: A Case of You [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill ["cassy" ] Blue [Steve Dulson ] Re: pin me up [Brian Gross ] Re: pin me up [pat holden ] Re: That Song About the Midway, a correction [pat holden ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #536 [SBardMusic@aol.com] Re: Blue [Don Rowe ] "The Gallery" ["Pitassi, Mary" ] Re: Joni on Farm Aid CD [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Paging Bill Pearson... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Joni on Farm Aid CD ["Eric Wilcox" ] Re: "The Gallery" ["Kakki" ] KATE'S DARE... ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] RE: "The Gallery" ["Pitassi, Mary" ] Re: "The Gallery" [Phyliss Ward ] Re: "The Gallery" [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Joni on Farm Aid CD ["Michael Paz" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #536 ["Victor Johnson" ] RE: "The Gallery" ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: "The Gallery" [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Fwd: About Joni! [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: Lonnie and Dom Songs??? [Julian51469@aol.com] The Gallery ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Subject: Blue ["Kate Bennett" ] Beatles Forever!!!! [Michael Paz ] Joni Set Lists [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 01:10:21 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Blue leslie@torchsongs.com >>I had heard that "Blue" was written for the late musician, David Blue, but always felt that Joni wrote it for James Taylor.<< I, too, always thought Blue was written for JT. But I was told (by someone close to the person it was supposed to be written about) that Blue was written for someone else. This one is a little harder to actually pin down to anything specific in the song except to say that seemed like she really loved this guy in a very sweet way & there is another song she wrote that has a similar attitude about the same guy. So, do you guys want to try & guess? Kate ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 01:10:19 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #536 >>I was able to know the writer of the song "Joe Hill," sung by Joan, when I was a 17 year-old green horn in LA back in 1975. The writer's name was Earl Robinson.<< I talked to Earl on the phone once. If memory serves me well he was looking for songwriters, doing either some sort of contest or workshop. I remember thinking he was a really nice man. I think he passed on not long after that which made me sad that I didn't get to meet him or talk with him more. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 22:21:24 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #535 > > > John wrote: > > A couple of Australian films I would strongly > recommend are ‘Picnic at Hanging Rock’ (I think I remember Steve > Dulson praising this one on the jmdl about a year ago), ‘The Year My > Voice Broke’ and ‘Cosi’. The last of these concerns the (not > altogether successful) attempt by inmates of an asylum to mount a > production of Mozart’s opera ‘Cosi fan tutte’. It’s a real ‘out of > left field’ film so I hope it won’t put you off your love of opera, > Wally. > > Cheers, > John. > I definitely agree with Cosi. It's a beautiful play written by Australian playwright Louis Nowra. It's based on his life and he is the lead character. I loved the play, very funny and yet heartbreaking and Barry Otto is a fabulous actor! I would recommend "The Castle". Very tongue-in-cheek. "Love and Other Catastrophes" which is a great story and very interesting characters. I also loved "Picnic at Hanging Rock" it's beautifully shot and very haunting but can be slow. I read the novel which is also excellent. I read that there is a Chapter 18 to the novel that explains the disappearance of Miranda and the girls but Peter Weir wanted the movie to be more mysterious and for people to ruminate over the fate of the girls. Apparently, people still climb the rocks calling for Miranda! "Proof" - Hugo Weaving and Russell Crowe "Cut" - Molly Ringwald "Two Hand" - Heath Ledger and Bryan Brown I went through a stage where I wouldn't watch any Australian films... I found them boring and overly concerned with being Australian. The real 'ocker' sort of mentality. Ness N.P. "Cold" Annie Lennox ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 07:36:25 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of You <> Good job, Jerry! Had no knowledge of this one, so I'll add it to the database and lay it down on Volume 12! And of course you'll get a free copy of the volume when it's completed. Volume 11 is finished, and sometime this week I'll post a review and a little promo. Bob NP: Seal, "Dreaming In Metaphors" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:49:20 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill NJC NJC NJC NJC NJC NJC NJC NJC NJC NJC NJC NJC I live in Dearborn Heights, Michigan (It's a suburb of Detroit) but I was born in Bolton, Lancashire, England and emigrated to the USA in 1969, where I discovered Joni for the first time. I am inconspicuous among beautiful women. My husband, Thom, says I am nothing short of spectacular in heart and determination, my ability to set myself a goal and achieve it has seen me through some very rough times in the last couple of years and with him by my side I feel as if I could accomplish anything, ain't love grand? I wish you well in your endeavor to "pin us all down." Regards, Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:51:05 -0400 From: Maggie McNally Subject: pin me up Dean, This holiday morning I downloaded my digests for the first time in a month and decided to start with the most recent and work my way back as best I could. I enjoyed reading your stream-of-consciousness, and was delighted with the idea of a JMDL world map. Although I don't have much opportunity to track or participate, the spirit of JMDL is something I cherish and suspect you will too. I live in Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA where, by the way, Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter will be playing this Friday. Since it has been so long since I have read the list I have no idea if there have been any threads about this. If there have, would someone tell me the dates so I can check it out -- don't know how much of today I can devote to catching up! Warm regards to all... Maggie >simply an email with >your town or the nearest one if your way in the sticks i'll pin you up..... > Maggie McNally ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 08:04:50 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Blue Kate wrote: >That being said, who do you think Blue was written for? David Blue, AKA David Cohen. - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 08:28:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: pin me up Dean wrote: > >simply an email with > >your town or the nearest one if your way in the sticks i'll pin you up..... Hello Dean, and welcome home! I'm presently living in Camden County, New Jersey (the site of Joni's most recent public performance at the Sony-Blockbuster E-Centre on June 2nd), just to the southeast of Philadelphia Pennsylvania, though my heart and soul are in Hamilton Ontario, Canada. Take good care, Brian ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 11:54:37 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: Re: pin me up Brian Gross wrote: > Dean wrote: > > >simply an email with > > >your town or the nearest one if your way in the sticks i'll pin you up..... > > Hello Dean, and welcome home! > > I'm presently living in Camden County, New Jersey (the site of Joni's most > recent public performance at the Sony-Blockbuster E-Centre on June 2nd), just > to the southeast of Philadelphia Pennsylvania, though my heart and soul are in > Hamilton Ontario, Canada. > > Take good care, > > Brian Hi Dean....I just wanted to say welcome home too...this is a wonderful place to be and to grow. I am the lucky woman mentioned by Brian and I would tell you that my heart and soul are with him, always. I live in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada with my 15 year old daughter Miranda. I am a writer, runner, lover of nature, especially hawks flying over head, let's see...Im also a calligrapher and a manager with Indigo Books in Burlington, Ontario. (needless to say i love books and just about anything to do with the written word). I think your project is wonderful. Best of luck with it. take good care, Mags (my name Mags comes from my middle name Margaret and it seems that people closest to me use that the most ) > > ===== > "No paper thin walls, no folks above > No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" > > yeah, right > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 13:23:03 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: Re: That Song About the Midway, a correction Scott Price wrote: > > < in several ways, >> the stirring of some of my thoughts on the meaning of joni's words, some personal things and Thanksgiving Day: this is what i love about Joni's music...and part of why I am here; to share life longings, ideas, thoughts and feelings about what a particular song or phrase means to me. To find a community of kindred spirits where I feel safe. welcome and a part of (no longer on the outside of, which has been much of my past life experience) has been one of the greatest blessings of all in my life. It has opened not only windows but doors to places I only dreamed about. At the centre of all of this, resides the love of my life, Brian. On this Thanksgiving Day...I am so very grateful for you Brian. > > and scott added: > << Is there some hidden meaning to > "Magdalene Laundries?" Isn't that song about a real place in Ireland and > its history of atrocities?>> to which i could not help but respond: for me, one of the draws to joni's music and lyrics is her story telling about the experiences of being a woman who bore a child out of "wedlock". the magdalene laundries is the story of a place of horror for those women whose only "crime" was to get "caught" having sex, suffer the consequences and have nowhere to go, except perhaps stand on a step outside of a cold hotel doorway at 2 am and wait, paralyzed by fear, unable to move, or get swept away into the oblivion of someone else's shame. sad to say, it was real. all too real. this is when i take that giant step outside of my protective inner self and share a piece of me. i went through that too. i remember listening from my tiny attic apartment in london ontario..to blue, to little green and river in particular. oh i surely wished for a river to skate away on. joni's music was very much a part of my survival then. and now. and in all hard times. i know from the inside out that the truths, the shame and blaming that she speaks of rings loud and clear. i am glad she has the courage to give voice to her experiences, and whether our beloved joni realizes it or not, she has given voice to those of us who were rendered speechless. Mags, one of the jezebels, who is real tired of her accomodating silence. np: Magdalene Laundries > > > - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:14:44 EDT From: Hejira8@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #391 ERIC, TIM LOVES YOU! - ---TIM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:33:04 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Joni on Farm Aid CD Hi Kids-(OK and Sluts too!!!) Was just reading the new Rolling Stone during lunch and see that Joni is on the first Farm Aid Double CD. Don't know if this is new news to anyone, but me, so I thought I would pass it along anyway. Lots of other good artists listed on this cd like: DMN, Lou Reed, Don Henley, Johnny Cash, Elton John, Steve Earle, etc. Sounds like a sluts wet dream and if not at leat its a very worthy cause for helping out our nations farmers. Peace Michael (out the door on the way to Tower) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:45:34 EDT From: SBardMusic@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #536 the beatles are the beginning and the end. all other popular music exists somewhere between these two points. with love stephenbard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:23:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Blue I stopped trying to second-guess Joni a long, long time ago. Larry Klein ===== My debut CD "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:27:46 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: "The Gallery" Speaking of "The Gallery," Kakki wrote (and Kate Bennett agreed): "I always thought it was about a boyfriend from her art school days. After Joni and Kilauren reunited and reading the news articles about Kilauren's father who is a photographer, I tend to think it was about him. "I was left to winter here (Joni left in Toronto) while you went west for pleasure" ("he went to California hearing that everything's warmer there"). I like the Diego Rivera tie-in you make." I'll weigh in here with a different opinion, although the connections Kakki makes are very interesting. But I never interpreted the central conceit, the gallery, literally enough that I assumed the song's subject was an actual artist or photographer. Rather, I always had the sense that it was about Leonard Cohen. When Joni and Cohen met, Cohen was an "older man" in his early 30's, and someone she considered to be sophisticated and urbane. (I'm remembering this from something I read quite recently: perhaps Joni's own words in the Mendel catalog). Cohen has long had a reputation for being a ladies' man, and whatever Brad McMath's failings might have been, I'm not sure he went out west "for pleasure" as much as to escape a situation that he found overwhelming. The phrasing throughout the song leads me to believe that the protagonist, like Cohen, is a man of some means: in his world, people "go west for pleasure," and "winter" in different places than they "summer." Compare this to "Rainy Night House," where Cohen's mother has gone to Florida and returned tanned, before Cohen himself treks off to Arizona. Joni has picked up these ideas and turns of phrases from him, although she doesn't yet the means in "The Gallery" to put them into action: she's "left to winter" somewhere she doesn't want to be. I also think that the conceit of the gallery may not be what it appears on the surface. Rather than signifying that the protagonist is an artist, it makes some sense that the he *acquires* works of art with his wealth. He *owns* the gallery, rather than having created it. On another level, the "paintings of ladies" are the actual women in his life, over whom he exerts power due to his personal magnetism and, perhaps, his social position. This is a man of charm and status who makes things happen. On still another level, the protagonist is an "interpreter," a mythmaker, whose "portrayals" of them are powerful indeed to the women who are close to him. Cohen very much saw himself in this vein in the autobiographical novel "The Favorite Game," and by implication, in the title of his early collection of poetry, "Let Us Compare Mythologies." In that the protagonist *is* an artist, his art is of this variety, rather than one conducted in a more tangible medium. At the end of the song, the protagonist has been "changed. . . with religion." Cohen has always been a spiritual seeker, and, as someone pointed out, even now spends a substantial portion of his time living at a Buddhist temple. Finally, I recall a comment of Joni's that Leonard Cohen taught her early on to "work on the poignancy of a song." I think that, for a time, anyway, what this meant for her was constructing metaphorical conceits (e.g.: gallery = women over whom you exert power) that were as carefully developed as those of the metaphysical poets. . .or, for that matter, those of Cohen himself. This song strikes me as very much in that vein. I rest my case! ;-) Mary the Contrarian. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:00:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on Farm Aid CD <> Funny you mention that Michael, cuz I saw that disc at Best Buy, but it was just a single CD and no Joni on it! The plot thickens... Bob NP: Ron Sexsmith, "Right About Now" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 16:02:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Paging Bill Pearson... Sorry in advance, since my system is in the shop, I don't have access to my address book... Bill Pearson, I need your mailing address, got a CD to get out to you tomorrow!!! It's a Joni covers CD, so there's the JC! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:07:25 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: Joni on Farm Aid CD Amazon.com lists the CD as a doublt, but Joni is not on either disc. Maybe the Rolling Stone magazine printed something in error? eric - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 3:00 PM To: michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni on Farm Aid CD <> Funny you mention that Michael, cuz I saw that disc at Best Buy, but it was just a single CD and no Joni on it! The plot thickens... Bob NP: Ron Sexsmith, "Right About Now" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:59:37 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: "The Gallery" Mary wrote: > At the end of the song, the protagonist has been "changed. . . with > religion." Cohen has always been a spiritual seeker, and, as someone > pointed out, even now spends a substantial portion of his time living at a > Buddhist temple. > > Finally, I recall a comment of Joni's that Leonard Cohen taught her early on > to "work on the poignancy of a song." I think that, for a time, anyway, > what this meant for her was constructing metaphorical conceits (e.g.: > gallery = women over whom you exert power) that were as carefully developed > as those of the metaphysical poets. . .or, for that matter, those of Cohen > himself. This song strikes me as very much in that vein. I agree that some of the lines in this song poke holes in my theory that it could be about Brad McMath. The "changed you with religion" line makes me think of Cohen, too. But the preceding line "they've monitored your brain" makes it sound like the religion is more along the lines of the upstart "cult" variety, and not the more spiritual experience we'd expect Cohen to seek. The protagonist does sound like someone more established, prosperous and sophisticated. The way Joni characterizes him overall does not fit with what little we know about McMath. However, I get thrown by the lines which are coincidental to her experience with McMath and also the "I keep your house in fit repair, I dust the portraits daily, your mail comes here from everywhere" and "I gave you all my pretty years." It's one of the tougher songs to pin down, I think ;-) Kakki NP: Cowboy Junkies - Misguided Angel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:16:30 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: KATE'S DARE... OK, KATE, I'LL HAVE A GO... HOW 'BOUT "WOMAN OF HEART AND MIND"? CHRIS NP:"HEAL THE PAIN"-GEORGE MICHAEL (I cant listen to this talented man w/o recapping the unfortunate urinal incident in my head...for shame...) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:36:58 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: RE: "The Gallery" Kakki wrote (hey, we're playing e-mail tag! ;-) ): "The "changed you with religion" line makes me think of Cohen, too. But the preceding line "they've monitored your brain" makes it sound like the religion is more along the lines of the upstart "cult" variety, and not the more spiritual experience we'd expect Cohen to seek. The protagonist does sound like someone more established, prosperous and sophisticated. The way Joni characterizes him overall does not fit with what little we know about McMath. However, I get thrown by the lines which are coincidental to her experience with McMath and also the "I keep your house in fit repair, I dust the portraits daily, your mail comes here from everywhere" and "I gave you all my pretty years." It's one of the tougher songs to pin down, I think ;-)" RE: the "monitored your brain" line: yes, that does sound like Joni *thought* it was a cult experience. But then, on "Roses Blue," which appeared on the same album, Joni makes similar, unflattering comments about Rose, who was into "tarot cards and potions, zodiac and zen." Maybe these lines more reflect how Joni felt about some of the religious experimentation going on about her at this particular point in time than the actual experience of the seeker. RE: "I keep your house in fit repair / I dust the portraits daily / your mail comes in from everywhere / the writing looks like ladies'": again, for me, this conjures up the image of Cohen, or at least, someone very much like him. The protagonist of the song is someone with money enough to travel "everywhere": he's closer to a jet-setter than a young man fleeing art school in Calgary due to a personal crisis. The image of Joni "keeping [his] house in fit repair" and "dusting the portraits daily" has also struck me as almost suggesting the role of a maid, rather than a lover, and heightens the disparity in wealth and status between the two. It also suggests that Joni is tending to something of value to the male figure in his absence: his particular world view, or his "portrayal" of her, or even his circle of social contacts (perhaps making sure that he can continue to remain in communication with his various lady friends). But about the line "I gave you all my pretty years": I haven't a clue, because I don't think she gave "years" to either Cohen or McMath! So this is where I cop out and say, "you know, we can't really regard Joni's work as completely autobiographical. She uses her life as a jumping-off point, and then creates a work of art that exists in a reality of its own," or other words you say when you're not sure just what the heck you're talking about. ;-) Regards, Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 13:41:07 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: "The Gallery" Didn't Cohen do the Scientology thing? I believe they "monitor your brain" with some machine as part of their process... Kakki wrote: > I agree that some of the lines in this song poke holes in my theory that it > could be about Brad McMath. The "changed you with religion" line makes me > think of Cohen, too. But the preceding line "they've monitored your brain" > makes it sound like the religion is more along the lines of the upstart > "cult" variety, and not the more spiritual experience we'd expect Cohen to > seek. - -- Phyliss, yes, I'm still out here... : - ) mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:01:36 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: "The Gallery" In a message dated 10/9/00 4:47:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PitassiM@WEAC.org writes: << But the preceding line "they've monitored your brain" makes it sound like the religion is more along the lines of the upstart "cult" variety, and not the more spiritual experience we'd expect Cohen to seek. >> I think I read an interview with Cohen where they said he was givven terrible shock treatments at some point in his life.I may be confusing him with Lou Reed,however. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:55:27 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Re: Joni on Farm Aid CD This is one from the museum of hmmmmmmmmmm! Michael - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Joni on Farm Aid CD > < on the first Farm Aid Double CD. >> > > Funny you mention that Michael, cuz I saw that disc at Best Buy, but it was just a single CD and no Joni on it! > > The plot thickens... > > Bob > > NP: Ron Sexsmith, "Right About Now" > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:03:26 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #536 > the beatles are the beginning and the end. all other popular music exists > somewhere between these two points. In my music collection, Abba is at the beginning and Frank Zappa is at the end though I'm not sure what that means. Victor NP: Paul Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:39:23 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: "The Gallery" was cohen ever a scientologist? that can be a clue. joni says that the song is about somebody who was an art connoisseur and a scientologist. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:47:22 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: "The Gallery" In a message dated 10/9/00 4:18:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << The "changed you with religion" line makes me think of Cohen, too. But the preceding line "they've monitored your brain" makes it sound like the religion is more along the lines of the upstart "cult" variety, and not the more spiritual experience we'd expect Cohen to seek. >> What about Barry McGuire? He also was a singer/songwriter who found religion and made a significant change in his life. However, I don't know if he and Joni even knew each other. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:23:12 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Fwd: About Joni! - --part1_30.b314aa7.2713bb70_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_30.b314aa7.2713bb70_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Full-name: MINGSDANCE Message-ID: <86.1295191.270ff924@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 23:57:24 EDT Subject: About Joni! To: Blendershoes@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 112 Hey Tina, Sorry I haven't been able to connect but I don't have your number anywhere. It used to come on the caller ID as Dorothy Calcut or something like that but it no longer shows up so please call and leave your phone number on my machine or E-mail me. I have a gift for you from the ART opening AND i NEED A DEFfIANTe ADDRESS TO SEND IT SO i'M SURE YOU GET IT. I'm trying to express how off I feel from starting my new rat poisons, It was quite nice to have a three month break from the meds but my counts are way off the charts and worse then they have ever been. I sleep a lot and soak the bed with all of my distorted dreams wishing there was some deeper meaning--- But I have been blessed because I have been hugged and kissed two different times in the same day by Joni! It was so down to earth, as when we met, there was some spirit connections of old souls once again passing in the over abundant market place of this life and past ones, She is definitely one of us. Stay safe my friend, I miss talking to you and hope we can communicate soon! much love from Mingus - --part1_30.b314aa7.2713bb70_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:54:39 EDT From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Re: Lonnie and Dom Songs??? In a message dated 10/9/00 3:11:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael Paz writes: << They are some trades I got before I found the JMDL, from some kind person from another Joni Chat list from aol. What I found were: "The Lonnie and Dom Songs (Early On)", >> Hello Michael, I'm still trying to hunt down some of those early, unreleased songs of Joni's and was wondering if there might be some gems on this tape of yours... Do you have a song listing for this tape? I would love to see what it has to offer. I actually have a beautiful looking (but horrible sounding) red, white and blue spin-art vinyl version of "Posal and the Mosalm" and I think I have versions of those others that you mentioned. Perhaps you have some ideas of some tapes that I might check (and anybody else out there...don't hold out on the rest of us) for the remaining 15 or so unfound, unreleased tunes. Thanks for all of your insights and enthusiasm. Take care, Julian ps. Sorry I've been away but I've been busy... We had our baby...Lucy Iris: 8lbs 13oz, 21 and a half in. born 12:12 am 10/1/00. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:23:32 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: The Gallery Hey You Guyyyyyys (remember "The Electric Company"?), I thought I'd put it out there that my understanding of Scientology involves getting in touch/tune with negative messages in our heads that keep us feeling 'less than' and compel us (the 'royal us'; no need to personalize here!) to sabotage our lives from reaching full potential. As someone in recovery (yep - I bit the bullet, or depending on your perspective, my life had 'shit the bed'), I can identify with the sabotage thing, but for different reasons. In any event, perhaps the line about 'monitoring your brain' could be a more metaphorical approach to what I'm describing, and therefore keeping Mr. Cohen in the running. Admittedly, though, I have always had a vision of someone hooked into some sort of brainwave monitoring device whenever I hear the song. Cheerio! -Chris. NP:Strange cat sounds from the bedroom; is he masturbating on my blanket again??? ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:27:58 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Blue Steve said >>David Blue, AKA David Cohen.<< me: that would make sense given his name but not who I am thinking of... Christopher said >>OK, KATE, I'LL HAVE A GO...HOW 'BOUT "WOMAN OF HEART AND MIND"?<< me: getting warmer! it is not the song I was thinking of but it does have one line in it that IS alot like the other song that I was thinking of that is about the person who allegedly Blue is about. a clue---the line Woman of Heart & Mind- "You come to me like a little boy & I give you my scorn & my praise. You think I'm like your Mother..." Connect the dots to another song with a similar line & BINGO you will know who I am talking about! (all this mystery must be the scorpio moon & ascendent in me coming out!) ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 23:28:03 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Beatles Forever!!!! Jim wrote: >How 'bout a Beatles thread once everyone has finished with Madonna? Hi Jim- Great idea! I don't care for Madonna much at all except for a couple of tracks from the Ray of Light record. Even though I have enjoyed reading the posts regarding her. She is always causing controversy (which is always fun). I especially enjoyed Michael Y's posts on the topic and look forward to hearing his review of the new Album (which I can't get into at all yet). Needless to say i think the Beatles are still way up on my chart of "all time". I have been getting alot of alternate Beatle recordings lately and have found some really cool stuff. I got on Macster tonight for the first time tonight (believe it or not) and the second thing i searched for was Beatles (of course she was the first NO not Madonna). Speaking of which, someone posted a mp3 of Ani DiFranco tuning her guitar to an alternate tuning and talking about Joni Mitchell. It was a pretty cool little diatribe about how she toured with Dylan and the press asking her how it was touring with God. While she didn't diss Dylan, she made it really clear that she holds Joni much higher and felt the press and public did not. The wierd thing is they cut it off before she played the song she was tuning for and it sounded like such a great tuning. I did manage to download a very cool tune (Long Black Veil) performed by Dave Matthews and Emmy Lou Harris. Does anyone know the source of this recording and is it available commercially? Also Sarah MacLachlan performing Unchained Melody, which is really interesting. I also found a clip of Chris Farley interviewing McCartney on SNL, which was a really funny skit. Anyways back to the Beatles. I have received a few CDR's lately, some really cool ones are: "Lost Years", "Alternate Abbey Road", "Abbey Road Companion", "Alternate Revolver", "Alternate 2nd Album", + many more. Lots of outtakes and different versions of songs we know so well. There is a great one of Because from Abbey Road, with no instrumentation, just voices. Another cool thing is to hear the Alternate Abbey Road stuff with actual endings to the songs that segue together on side two and a different sequence to the songs. Oh yeah yeah yeah, Beatles Forever!!!! Best to you, Michael NP-Bluebird-Buffalo Springfield ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:17:37 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni Set Lists Julian wrote: >"Hello Michael, >I'm still trying to hunt down some of those early, unreleased songs of Joni's >and was wondering if there might be some gems on this tape of yours... Do >you have a song listing for this tape? I would love to see what it has to >offer. I actually have a beautiful looking (but horrible sounding) red, >white and blue spin-art vinyl version of "Posal and the Mosalm" and I think I >have versions of those others that you mentioned. Perhaps you have some >ideas of some tapes that I might check (and anybody else out there...don't >hold out on the rest of us) for the remaining 15 or so unfound, unreleased >tunes. Thanks for all of your insights and enthusiasm. >Take care, >Julian >ps. Sorry I've been away but I've been busy... We had our baby...Lucy Iris: >8lbs 13oz, 21 and a half in. born 12:12 am 10/1/00. Hi Julian and many Blessings to you your wife and baby Lucy. Oh my another Libra (Wally are you listening??) Set lists are as follows: The Posall and Mosalm Circle Game with Chuck Mitchell London Bridge Joni's Coke Commercial Eastern Rain Just Like Me Brandy Eyes Drummer Man Winter Lady Mr. Blue (I'll be Laying You) Urge For Going Sugar Mountain Lennie and Dom Songs I Chelsea Morning Cactus Tree Night In The City Marcie/Nathan La Franeer Two house: Rainy Night House/Blue Boy For Free II Get Together The Fiddle and The Drum I Think I Understand Both Sides Now Urge For Going The Godd Samaritan Hope this helps. Let me know if you would like a copy of this stuff. best Michael NP-Silence ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #392 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?