From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #391 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, October 9 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 391 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- joni mentioned on page 6 [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #535 [NJoachim@aol.com] Blue [leslie@torchsongs.com] A Case of You [Jerry Notaro ] Re: That Song About the Midway, a correction ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Golden Reggie Reveals All [James Leahy ] Joni Tapes Found [Michael Paz ] Video Request ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: 5 Recent CD Acquistions thread ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] non american films [gay reimers ] jonimitchell.com has been update ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill [dogbyte@aloha.net (french)] Happy Thanksgiving [Brian Gross ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #390 [Hejira8@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #390 [Andrew Baio ] Re: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill ["Kakki" Subject: A Case of You Just found a gorgeous rendition of ACOY on a new cd by Michael Holland. The cd is called Darkness Falls. Bob, if you don't have a copy I'll send you the cd. A real treat. Jerry np: Everly Brothers - Born Yesterday ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:18:41 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: That Song About the Midway, a correction Here's a correction: - ---- I agree. Furthermore, while Joni may be an 'expert' authority on her lyrics, she doesn't always, uhh.... share the truth with us. (For example, her assertion that "Chinese Cafe" DOES NOT refer to Carole King.) Jim Brian Workman said, > A piece of art, particularly > by someone as instinctive as > Joni means what it means to the perceiver. > Only Joni can say what her songs mean, > and I'm not so sure she even knows.... All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 22:05:48 +0100 From: catman Subject: Chars to The Stars A woman who did gardening wrok for Joni appeared on this TV program. She said Joni was very nice. Joni gave her one of her paintings. Joni also used to ask her in for coffee and a chat and would ask her about the songs she was writing, even getting this lady to strum a guitar with her. A very nice account of our Joni. - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 19:40:16 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Golden Reggie Reveals All Canadian figure skater Toller Cranston has written another autobiography (the second in as many years), this one titled When Hell Freezes Over (Should I Bring My Skates?). As you know, Toller appeared on Joni's album Hejira. In his new book, he devotes an entire chapter (6 pages) to the photo session, which took place on an outdoor hockey rink near Buffalo, New York, in 1976. Evidently, Toller had never heard of her. On meeting Joni, he asked, politely, "You sing, don't you?" Cranston describes a party a year later at Joni's house, where he saw, among others, Julie Christie, Warren Beatty ("he had no ass"), Bob Dylan (who didn't talk to anyone), Jimmy Webb, Jack Nicholson, and Her Blondness Herself, whom Toller discovered hiding in her bedroom smoking dope. It's a fun chapter, although it doesn't reveal as much about Joni as it does about La Cranston himself. Here's the website for the book: http://www.mcclelland.com/releases/hell_freezes.html Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 20:49:20 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni Tapes Found Hello All- I have been working on redesigning my studio. I was running out of room with all this stuff in here. I got rid of some furniture and shifted some stuff around, got some guitars off the floor and out of cases and hung up on the wall and voila I have tons of room. In my efforts I discovered some tapes that I had not seen in awhile. They are some trades I got before I found the JMDL, from some kind person from another Joni Chat list from aol. What I found were: "The Lonnie and Dom Songs (Early On)", "By Her Own Devices-Television Appearances", "Wembley, London 24 April 1983", "Posall and the Moslam-In Perfect Harmony", "Night Ride Home Special-Much Music 9-23-94". I really need to get my tape and cd collection together and figure out what all I have. So much music, so little time. Michael NP-Nathan La Franeer-From Lonnie and Dom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:23:28 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Video Request Does anyone have a video of ALL THAT JONI with Ross Porter that they are willing to copy for two devoted and devout JMDLers? One of us is in Canada and the other is in the US. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu np: "18 Tracks" by Bruce Springsteen which shows that he grew more musical after he stopped trying to shout over the band. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:33:05 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: 5 Recent CD Acquistions thread Well, I haven't bought ANYTHING this summer but here's what I want next: - - 3 CD collection of Louis Armstrong's Hot 5 and Hot 7 sessions. - - CDs from Kate & Victor. And any other JMDLer I've missed so far. - - Lastly, Emmylou's new one. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu np: Expectation of a 4 song cassette from NoCal. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:38:18 -0700 (PDT) From: gay reimers Subject: non american films bleu red NOT white belle de jour diva double life of veronique un coeur en hiver tous les matins du monde __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 23:43:57 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: jonimitchell.com has been update Jim Johanson has updated www.jonimitchell.com with a mention of the Joni connections in the new American film "Almost Famous" written by ex-Rolling Stone contributor Cameron Crowe. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:30:18 -1000 (HST) From: dogbyte@aloha.net (french) Subject: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill aloha everyone, i've been enjoying all the posts this last month or so (i joined the list first week sept.) and plenty mahalos to all who sent their warm greetings. i feel like i know some of you in a way, i guess when i read and see the name i kind of imagine what you look like , always stunning how far off i can be, i imagined rush limbaugh looked like tommy lasorta....way off. i'm sure i don't look anything like my name..... call me crazy but maybe the need for some imaginary visual reference is something one would talk to an analyst about....if i had one i might talk about it, but i don't so i'm content being a little twisted, in a good way (no more ifs or ands or buts, oh no) otherwise i think i'm perfectly sane most of the time....in my first post i recalled seeing joni in concert at the waikiki shell in 1969 but after going thru the discography portion of the home page and trying to remember the music that night i now think it was in 1971, when i feel sure i'll submit my best guess to the performances part of the home page. big yellow taxi was on the radio already , she sang 'keep your pineapples just give me the birds and the bees please' and how perfect the timing of paving paradise was then. many, including me, bailed to the outer islands looking for our gardens...best move i made in my life yet. there's so much info at joni.com i've yet to see (partly because of this old macintosh) thank you wally b. i wandered the archives to find more of him.........this post i wept, do not stand at my grave and weep, i am not there, i do not sleep, i am a thousand winds that blow, i am the diamond glints on snow, i am the sunlight on ripened grain, i am the gentle autumn rain. when you awaken in the mornings hush, i am the swift uplifting rush of quiet birds in circled flight, i am the soft star that shines at night. do not stand at my grave and cry, i am not there,i did not die ok i've wiped my tears, i guess i'm a weeper.... a twisted weeper! ( sounds like something elmer fudd would say) sorry..ok reality check....on to my idea,,, if it has been done, thought about, tried and failed or just uninteresting please , your input is greatly welcomed.....*!! a map of the world with a pin for us all. i think it would be so interesting to see where we are on the planet....could it be called the 'worldwide map of jimdles online'? and if this is a new idea could it be the 'worldwide map of jimdles online, new idea'...... acronym;wwmojoni ??? am i going too far? not far enough? the concept of the world map pins came to me while shopping for my kids school supplies, in that section of the store was a map displayed, i thought of people i know and where they were, where i was born, places i've been, familiar places everyones heard of, where i might one day want to adventure, i guess just spinning a dream there in front of that map i realized what a recluse i am, but i'm a happy recluse, slightly twisted...in a good way...the joni factor?? needless to say i bought the map. it's still in the tube, it unfurls to three feet high by five feet long and i remember that where i live is in the center of the world (or just slightly left).....and BTW while looking for my old boots i came across an atlas from the 70's looking like it was a throwaway and it's well detailed as far as small towns, i found mine and thats pretty small so between that old atlas and that big world map i'm sure i can get close to any location, if anyone wants to play, i'm here... simply an email with your town or the nearest one if your way in the sticks i'll pin you up..... just a little about me briefly so you can do your visualization if you wish, i'm a woodworker, age 46, live on kauai, my wife is an artist, we've two kids, aimee is 16 going on 30, cory is 13 going somewhere, we're not quite sure where yet, but he's been playing my guitars for the past few years and he's happy....main thing. my dogs name is 'bug', i call all of our cats 'pooch' (in retrospect i could have named them all 'eat') my computer literacy i would grade as 'c minor' ..... i'm told i can count and spell good, but i still have difficulty speaking to people with whom i'm not familiar. i am the silent one hiding in the corner at the art openings. i can play 'just like this train' in my sleep and beer drink most under the table..... very well, now i shall find the world tube and dedicate a section of a wall in my shop forever to be 'WWMOJONI' unless someone has a more fun/creative/meaningful name for the world, love and peace to all, dean french ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:58:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Happy Thanksgiving I'd like to take this opportunity to send Thanksgiving greetings to Joni and all the Canadian members of the JMDL and their families. There is so much to be thankful for, especially for the love that we have found here, in this special place. And as for me personally, I am thankful beyond all belief for the love I have found with Mags. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. And G-d bless. Brian ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 01:16:02 EDT From: Hejira8@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #390 Tanya, I saw "Almost Famous" tonight, and I didn't notice that the date didn't make sense in relation to Joni's album being in the sister's stack. That might have been due to the fact that the movie was so horrible. Everything was so predictable that I sort of zoned out. Except, of course, when "River" was played. :) Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 22:27:42 -0700 From: Andrew Baio Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #390 >I saw "Almost Famous" tonight, and I didn't notice that the date didn't >make sense in relation to Joni's album being in the sister's stack. That >might have been due to the fact that the movie was so >horrible. Everything was so predictable that I sort of zoned >out. Except, of course, when "River" was played. :) Ack! Are you serious!? I thought it was one of the best movies I've seen all year. -- Andy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:19:43 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: to be a pin on some map, my vicarious thrill Hi and Aloha Dean >in my first post i recalled seeing joni in concert at > the waikiki shell in 1969 but after going thru the discography portion of > the home page and trying to remember the music that night i now think it > was in 1971, when i feel sure i'll submit my best guess to the performances > part of the home page. big yellow taxi was on the radio already , she sang > 'keep your pineapples just give me the birds and the bees please' and how > perfect the timing of paving paradise was then. many, including me, bailed > to the outer islands looking for our gardens...best move i made in my life > yet. Your first post really caught my eye. It was the summer of 1971 and I was missing my college boyfriend who lived on Oahu (Mokuleia) terribly. My best friend had also decided to go off to summer school at Univ. of Hawaii and I was wishing so hard I could have gone in her place. The first postcard she sent me said, way too casually, "Saw Joni Mitchell last night at this place called The Shell in Waikiki." Ah, life is so cruel sometimes when you are 18 and in love ;-) I like your world of Joni map idea. Maybe you can scan a photo of it and put it on the JMDL website at some point. We actually discussed the idea of a birthday card like this for Joni a few year back but ultimately thought it may be too "corporate" or impersonal for that purpose. Looking forward to hearing more from you and my favorite state ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 23:24:52 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: That Song About the Midway, a correction At 02:18 PM 10/8/00 -0400, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >> Brian Workman said, >> A piece of art, particularly by someone as instinctive as >> Joni means what it means to the perceiver. Only Joni can say what >> her songs mean, and I'm not so sure she even knows.... >I agree. >Furthermore, while Joni may be an 'expert' authority on her lyrics, she >doesn't always, uhh.... share the truth with us. Not sure if Brian's was meant to be a blanket statement, but if so, I disagree. Joni often laces her songs with ambiguity and this is one reason her music appeals to a broad audience. It transcends pigeonholes and gives inspiration to men and women, young and old. The songs can be interpreted in several ways, with many individuals getting different affecting feelings after listening to her albums. However, some of her songs *are* about specific individuals, places, and experiences. For example, can there be any doubt that "Willie" is about Graham Nash? It's been documented that Joni *did* pay a visit to Furry Lewis, subject of "Furry Sings The Blues." Is there some hidden meaning to "Magdalene Laundries?" Isn't that song about a real place in Ireland and its history of atrocities? Sometimes we may not want to know that a particular song Joni wrote had a specific person or place or event at its roots, because we feel that we already know what it means to us, oftentimes profoundly. It's like a pact we form with the artist and we don't want it to be any other way. So be it. Go with it, enjoy the music, savor the moment. But if you read this list, if you peruse her interviews, if you hear her talk, then be prepared for some revelations. Joni knows that the core of her art is the audience's personal interpretations, and I believe she guards these mysteries not because she doesn't know, but rather because she wants to give the audience their own opportunities to discover what it means to them. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 02:32:14 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Bjork's "Dancer In the Dark" Maybe should've tagged this NJC, but this is a gray area of the law to me, and I thought maybe one of our Joni-onlies might be able to speak to this, so... Speaking of non-U.S. films: "Dancer in the Dark" a new one starring Bjork is getting a lot of press around here. It won a major award at the Cannes film festival, which surprises me, as this is Bjork's first film. The critics seem to be split on it, however. Anyway. Knowing as I do that Bjork and Joni are acquainted, and that they dueted at the Walden Woods benefit in L.A. last year, I just wonder whether the film's title was in any way inspired by Joni's "My Old Man" lyrics from _Blue_. The film was directed by European Lars von Trier, but I can't imagine the title's coincidence being lost on Bjork. Who knows? Anyone? - -Julius ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #391 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?