From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #389 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, October 7 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 389 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Banquet [FredNow@aol.com] Re: That Song About the Midway ["Brian Workman" ] Article from the globeandmail.com Web Centre ["Rose M. Joy" ] Re: Banquet--My Experience (LJC) ["Susan" ] Edith in the aisles [B Merrill ] Joni Top 15 ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Foreign Films [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni on Sky [Gertus@aol.com] Little Wing being about Joni ["william" ] Re: Stars & their Chars SJC ["Steve Mitchell" ] Almost Famous-The Mailing List ["C.A. Starkey" ] Midway game ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Definition of "Coyote" [pat holden ] Siquomb ["Marilyn Huggins" ] Re: Midway game SJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Mystery of Cat Stevens ["Marilyn Huggins" ] RE: SIQUOMB [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Mystery of Cat Stevens [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Leonard Cohen, was Re: Midway game SJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Benjamin Orr & Joni [Lindsay Moon ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 03:51:55 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Banquet One of my all-time favorites, both for lyric ("Some turn to Jesus, and some turn to heroin") and especially for music ... the twists and turns, weaving and bobbing melody and harmony ... so adventurous, so inspired. And, of course, the piano. What a masterpiece. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:59:34 -0400 From: "Brian Workman" Subject: Re: That Song About the Midway I agree. How can some people be "wrong" about what they interpret a song to mean to them, and somebody else (not necessarily Kate, but anybody) be "right". A piece of art, particularly by someone as instinctive as Joni means what it means to the perceiver. Only Joni can say what her songs mean, and I'm not so sure she even knows.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:31 PM Subject: Re: That Song About the Midway > In a message dated 10/5/00 10:29:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > kate@katebennett.com writes: > > << oh Kakki, you are getting warmer! > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > >> > I'm more curious than who the song is about, Kate, how you can know with > such certainty? > > Paul I > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:49 -0400 From: "Rose M. Joy" Subject: Article from the globeandmail.com Web Centre - --====970832946==== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This e-mail has been sent to you by Rose M. Joy (rosemjoy@aol.com) from the= globeandmail.com Web Centre. Message: Joni won the Hall of Fame Award at The Prairie Music Awards Sunday= night. The Globe and Mail, Monday, October 2, 2000 Singer Jann Arden tops music awards By=20 SASKATOON -- Singer Jann Arden was the darling of the Prairie Music Awards = last night, winning three prizes including outstanding major-label album. The Calgary singer's smart and sensual songs from her fourth album, Blood R= ed Cherry, also led to awards for outstanding songwriter and outstanding po= p recording. Winnipeg duo McMaster and James, who were nominated in four categories, too= k home entertainer of the year, which was selected by a fan vote. Other winners last night included the Johner Brothers, who took home honour= s for outstanding video and producer, and Scruj MacDuhk, who walked away wi= th outstanding independent-label album and tied Eileen Laverty for outstand= ing roots recording. The Hall of Fame Award went to hometown star Joni Mitchell, who was unable = to attend the presentation. CP - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------- "Enter for your chance to win a Mercedes-Benz ML320 at Onvia.com, Canada's largest source for small business products, services, news and information. Click to enter now!" http://ads1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/AdletRedirect?redirect=3Dhttps://ww= w.onvia.com/canada/contests/index.cfm?idpromotion=3D5046&outfile=3Donvia_em= ail_text_gam.log - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------- Copyright 2000 | The Globe and Mail Visit the globeandmail.com Web Centre for your competitive edge. 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Like an eagle from the sky"...I was wondering if it was somehow a young Don Henly. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 08:10:42 EDT From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Foni Mitchell live Foni Mitchell will be playing at Folk Plus (The Boundary Hotel, Birmingham Road, Walsall, UK) on Wednesday 29th November, supporting singer-songwriter (and occasional Fairport Convention singer) Vikki Clayton. Music starts at 8.30 pm. Please visit www.folkplus.freeserve.co.uk for club details. This is a very nice music club with a great atmosphere, located in the basement of the hotel - a bit like The Cavern of Liverpool fame. Best wishes - have a good weekend. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 09:45:53 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: Re: Five most recent CDs 1. Liverpool Sound Collage 2. petetownshend -- The Lifehouse Chronicles (6cd box, purchased at the recent Who concert and otherwise only available through petetownshend.co.uk) 3. Brian Wilson (1988 solo album remastered) 4. Brian Wilson Live At the Roxy (only available through brianwilson.com) 5. All 3 Lost A&M Phil Ochs albums, available on CD for the first time ever in the US through ccmusic.com (Pleasures of the Harbour, Tape From California, and Rehearsals For Retirement) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 09:36:40 -0500 From: "Susan" Subject: Re: Banquet--My Experience (LJC) > Lindsay wrote: When I was a senior in high school in 1974 and about a year into my Joni > insanity (which grows each day I'm happy to say) we had a class project > that we would make a videotape of what America meant to us or some such > thing. Not being able to think of anything original and feeling very > self-conscious, I recited the lyrics to "Banquet." > Wasn't that a time! When I was a senior in high school 1975, I too used "Banquet" in a school project! I went to an all girls Catholic BUT very liberal school (I know it's kind of an oxymoron). We had a kind of communal spirited alternative division, of which I belonged. We worked on creating a slide show on "Hunger in The City" and some brilliant person working on the project suggested using "Banquet" as the music for the show (taking my bows, thank you). It was a huge hit and we wound up touring with it to government agencies and schools, eventually it was listed with the Chicago Public Library. It no longer exists, but I am still pleased and proud of that piece. Thanks to Joni, I don't know if she realizes all the positive memories she has been a part of for so long, with so many of us! Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 10:52:58 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Edith in the aisles I've also heard "Edith" in a Grocery store in the past 2 months, and I'm pretty sure that at least one other JMDLer has said as much before. And now Paul I. So we can assume that some hipster somewhere has injected this one into the aural mix. It's being pulled down from the same satellite. So, when are we going to hear the "Jungle Line" while we wait in line? My breath, it is not being held. Bruce Don Rowe wrote: >I too, hear a lot of Joni in my local grocery store. >A tune every other week or so. Of course, it's >usually one of the 'hits' ... but so help me, this has >got to be the MOST obscure cut I've heard playing in a >public place. In this same grocery store, I'm stopped >dead in my tracks in amazement to hear: > >"Edith and the Kingpin" -- no kidding! > >Don Rowe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 12:36:32 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Joni Top 15 Hard to narrow down, but I'll take Joni's cue and say that this is how I feel today; if I did this again tomorrow, it'd probably be different. 1.The Hissing of Summer Lawns 2.DJRD 3.Sweet Bird 4.Coyote 5.The Silky Veils of Ardor 6.Don't Interrupt The Sorrow 7.Electricity 8.This Flight Tonight 9.Court & Spark 10.Trouble Child 11.My Secret Place 12.Two Grey Rooms 13.Otis and Marlena 14.Blue Motel Room 15.Amelia That was difficult; looking at it, I feel as though it's a strange representation of my taste in Joni, but... I dunno, I used to love the early stuff when I was in high school; maybe I overdid it back then, cause the mid-late 70's is where I'm fascinated now. Cheers! -Chris ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 14:35:41 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Foreign Films In no order: Farewell My Concubine The Return of Martin Guerre L'Enfant Savage (The Wild Child) Amarcord The Postman Most disappointing: Life Is Beautiful Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 14:54:06 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on Sky Here's the blurb on Sunday evening's program:- "Sky One goes undercover to get the low-down on the rich and famous by talking to their cleaners, gardeners, chauffeurs and even their pizza delivery boys". It's called "Chars to the Stars". I've just realised I'm going to be out but will video. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 02:10:57 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Little Wing being about Joni I've been interested in the latest line of threads re songs about who. I was telling a Jimi Hx fan tonight that I'd heard Little Wing might be about Joni. His disbelieving I looked into it further - lyrically only. There did seem to be a connection. Well she's walking through the clouds (Joni's Clouds) With a circus mind that's running wild (Joni's Circus crowds - I need the wind and I seek the cold? - I can't go back there anymore - there are places to come from and places to go - I hired a coach to take me from confusion to the plane) Butterflies and zebras and moonbeams and fairy tales (Joni's dragonfly and painted ponies and moons and Junes and fairy tales) That's all she ever thinks about Riding with the wind (self evident) When I'm sad she comes to me (Joni's appeal) With a thousand smiles she gives to me (the joy of Joni) It's a thought. Then again so much can be mis and construed, contorted into anything you put your mind to. As in 666 being the number of letters in Ronald Wilson Reagan. Fun play with Joni could be rife as in the anagram "Joni"ll itch me". Anagrams Both Sides Now - Dishonest Bow Court and Spark - Crap as to Drunks DJRD - Oh Jesus! A Drunkard Neglects For the Roses - Those of Errs SIQUOMB isn't she - Eh! Quit Miss Snob Ya'll have a good weekend Willy the Shake Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:29:50 +0100 From: "Steve Mitchell" Subject: Re: Stars & their Chars SJC IVPAUL42@aol.com > Sort of, except what are tea-ladies? Ladies who make tea! Stevie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 20:25:14 GMT From: steve@torchsongs.com Subject: Re: Definition of "Coyote" Knowing that Joni is fascinated with the Southwest and Native American folklore, I think of Coyote as being like their Coyote, who is a loner, but also a kind of trickster. I'm not an expert, but I think that the point of the mythic Coyote's actions is that he teaches the other characters in his tales about life and themselves - by charming, surprising (tricking), and sometimes infuriating them. Joni is lucky to be able to say "no regrets" in this context, because Coyote can do a lot of harm to the unenlightened. So, although it's from a different album, this song has somewhat of the flavor of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (the song) to me - that wisdom is being found from ancient sources - someone who is closer to nature, "up on your ranch". Your mileage may vary with this theory, but it's the suggestion I get from the song. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:31:56 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Garland and singers Mark or Travis wrote: > If you do > buy this, get the 2 cd version and avoid the edited single disk > version. The 2 cd set has some chatter & a couple of stories from > Judy that weren't on the original vinyl. Some of the songs are > actually cut from the single disk. Shades of Shadows & Light (and > Judy Conquering, not Scarlett). And if you have some extra coins, get the gold cd version. Worth every penny extra. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 06:49:44 -0400 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Almost Famous-The Mailing List http://www.egroups.com/group/AlmostFamous I notice there was talk (but I didn't read any of the msg's) awhile back about Almost Famous. Well, I just saw the movie yesterday *loved it* (my fave movie is still American Beauty though, although I can relate to the concept of AF more.) So, if you are a fan of Cameron Crowe's film or know someone who is, and would like to join a discussion list for AF just click on the link above at the top of this email, and remember, don't do drugs! (My favourite line in the film.) Thanks, Carol ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 16:24:41 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Midway game Hey thanks for playing the Midway game with me! Kakki wins the big stuffed animal! You know I always loved this song too & never really attributed to anyone in particular (I thought it was about some big handsome black guy working at a carnival). I hope I didn't ruin it for anyone. For a long time I kept it to myself but it seemed as if I ought to share it because it only underlines the brilliance of her songwriting skill. Once again. I know some folks are skeptical on how I know this & that is okay. In my mind it will always be about that carnie guy anyway. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 21:10:35 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: Re: Definition of "Coyote" steve@torchsongs.com wrote: > Knowing that Joni is fascinated with the Southwest > and Native American folklore, I think of Coyote as > being like their Coyote, who is a loner, but also a kind > of trickster. I'm not an expert, but I think that the > point of the mythic Coyote's actions is that he teaches the > other characters in his tales about life and themselves - > by charming, surprising (tricking), and sometimes infuriating them. > Steve....you are absolutely right in your thoughts about Coyote as a trickster and a teacher of life lessons. and coyote is actually quite smart too. with no regrets either, Mags np: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:17:16 -0400 From: "Marilyn Huggins" Subject: Siquomb Can anyone please tell me what "siquomb" means? I know its the name of Joni's publishing co., but anything else? Boston Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:23:35 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Midway game SJC Oh it was fun. I always thought it was about Hendrix, but what the hell do I know? You had me searching the net Kate for clues. LOL I did a search for Leonard Cohen sites and came up with this one. WOW, if you like Cohen, check this out. www.leonardcohenfiles.com Indeed yet another labor of love. Everyone there seems to agree that Rainy Night House was written about Leonard Cohen Did anyone know he was ordained as a Zen Buddhist monk on August 9, 1996, when he was given the Dharma name of Jikan (Silent One)? He has a new live album to be released November 21st. There is also a new poetry book he is putting the finishing touches on. Here is a new poem he has written: GOOD ADVICE FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME behind the pain someone is rejoicing behind the torture there is love who's going to buy this bullshit if you don't become the ocean you'll be seasick every day See now if you hadn't started this, I wouldn't have stumbled on this site. Thanks Kate Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:26:00 -0400 From: "Marilyn Huggins" Subject: Re: Mystery of Cat Stevens I loved Cat Stevens in the 70's. I still have "Tea for the Tillerman". Was always sorry he left music, but I understand now why he did. Boston Marilyn - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dsk" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:28 PM Subject: Mystery of Cat Stevens > For Cat Stevens fans or anyone curious about why he disappeared from the > music scene, the show 20/20 Downtown on ABC (in the U.S.) has a segment > on him tonight (the last 3rd of show). The promo claims to solve this > mystery. > > Debra Shea > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:31:32 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: RE: SIQUOMB In a message dated 10/6/00 9:23:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hugginsm@Prodigy.net writes: << Can anyone please tell me what "siquomb" means? I know its the name of Joni's publishing co., but anything else? Boston Marilyn >> . She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind Beauty Do I get a gold star? Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:38:54 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mystery of Cat Stevens In a message dated 10/6/00 9:29:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hugginsm@prodigy.net writes: << I loved Cat Stevens in the 70's. I still have "Tea for the Tillerman". Was always sorry he left music, but I understand now why he did. Boston Marilyn >> Marilyn, If you like Cat Stevens there's an official website at www.catstevens.com. There's a chat room and a message board there as well. I think you might be surprised. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:47:53 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen, was Re: Midway game SJC Oh yes I know that one by heart. (Suzanne) I always thought he wrote that song about Joni. What do you think MG or anyone? Rose in NJ who's not embarrassed to say, I love him too. I think I'll buy that new Album. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 21:26:24 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Benjamin Orr & Joni Sad to note Benjamin Orr's death. I don't imagine pancreatic cancer is a very fun way to go. Ugh. Just in case anyone forgot (wait, who am I addressing here??) Benjamin did back-up vocals on CMIARS (in "Number One" and "Beat of Black Wings"). Lindsay ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #389 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?