From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #383 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, October 1 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 383 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Vinyl hiccups ["Kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #519 [Cknat21@aol.com] Re: Vinyl hiccups [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: white house on jmdl ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: white house on jmdl [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: white house on jmdl [catman ] Re: white house on jmdl [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Sophmore jive, jive jive jive ["william" ] Re: Joni's Stockings [IVPAUL42@aol.com] The SOuth Bank Show ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Skip stories [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: white house on JMDL ["Garret" ] Re: "For The Roses" Lyrics ["Marilyn Huggins" ] Re: All-Joni Mitchell program at JUDY'S CHELSEA [Alison ] Joni's pink hotel [Anne Sandstrom ] SoCal gigs, Kate, Tom Rush, and Mingus (SJC) ["Kakki" ] Thanks for your support everyone! [Relayer211@aol.com] A little story (SJC) ["cassy" ] The News (VLJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: A little story (SJC) ["Hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:49:18 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Vinyl hiccups > So this thread goes... > Did you ever have a skip problem with a new Joni LP, and if >so what was the hiccup? Oh CC, never with a new Joni vinyl for me, but after years of enough continuous play to set a world record, they all developed permanent hiccups. That's why I now have 3 of each, including the original ones with more craters than the moon (too sentimental to part with them) ;-) I loved your post - definitely took me back to my first (used) record player that had 33 1/3 speed. It was such an antique it was a hazard and I occasionally got mild electric shocks from the tone arm. My parents finally took pity on me and gave me a "real" compact stereo player one birthday. It followed me to college and then later was handed down to two different friends. It still is going strong after all these years. I shoulda kept it! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 03:43:55 EDT From: Cknat21@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #519 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:03:00 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Vinyl hiccups << my eyes bugged out as if their lids were held open by toothpicks and my jaw fully distended to the shag carpet upon hearing "The Jungle Line" for the first time . >> CC, this post was classic!! One of the best I've read in awhile, and reminded me of *ME* the first time I heard DJRD, only I was taping it off the radio so no jive-jive-jive probs... Bob NP: Song For Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:08:38 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: white house on jmdl Michael, your post was nasty. Isn't it refreshing, though, to see a country where people are excited to go tour around their seat of power and meet their leaders. Certainly this isn't true of the UK (nor Germany, I suspect). I'd need to urgently find something better to do (like laundry, bathing the cat, weeding the garden with my teeth, and so on) if I was threatened with a tour of number 10 and a chat with Tony. God knows, I'd end up wanting to punch his lights out over fuel tax and the various privacy-eroding bits of internet legislation. So while it's perhaps easy to take a pot shot at soemthing that's (to a foreigner) "so American", it's damn refreshing. I think I'd even have gone on that tour if I had a chance... White House: "Whoa, nice building" 10 Downing Street: "It's a house" Enough. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:43:00 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: white house on jmdl I was one of the folks that asked for Relayer to "relay" the experiences of the trip to the White House, and I found it to be genuine, enjoyable and full of wonder. So, thanks, Relayer, for taking the time to share all the detail with us. It reminded me of when I was singing in the Millbrook Baptist Church choir in Raleigh, NC. Our youth pastor/music minister was VERY unintimidated by ANY situation. He called the White House to schedule a performance for the President (Nixon at the time), and they actually said Yes, we could go and sing for the President, and when he told us, we were all SO excited, like we'd won a sweepstakes or something. So we went, and sang, but alas, Nixon had an emergency and was at Camp David, so we sang for Jesse Helms instead, who was (and still is) a Senator for NC. We were also thrilled to do that! Looking back at it now, as a cynical wiseass practically apolitical adult I am no longer enamored with Nixon or Helms, but at the time as a youth I was looking through different eyes, and it WAS indeed a very exciting experience for me! And of course, had Nixon been there, the show would probably have been taped! ;~D Relayer's trip reminded me of my own. Relayer is a very kind and genuine person, and I don't know anything about Relayer other than that. I assume Relayer is a young person. I know what you're thinking...Bob, you didn't put NJC in the subject line, so where's the JC already? I thought about Relayer's post, and the replies to Relayer's post all day yesterday, because of my own experiences, and it led me to "The Circle Game" and thinking about the mystical magical world as seen through the eyes of a youth, catching dragonflies in jars, and tearful at the falling of a star, and such, and then becoming an adult and seeing the dreams of youth losing grandeur coming true, and it reminded me once again what a brilliant, unimaginably good writer Joni is so as to be a touchstone for whatever happens to be on my mind! Relayer, I know you are WAY too cool to let this episode get you down, so keep rockin' and keep sharing! Bob NP: "Ladies Man" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:33:34 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: white house on jmdl > > > Certainly this isn't true of the UK (nor Germany, I suspect). > I'd need to urgently find something better to do (like laundry, > bathing the cat, weeding the garden with my teeth, and so on) if > I was threatened with a tour of number 10 and a chat with Tony. > God knows, I'd end up wanting to punch his lights out over fuel > tax and the various privacy-eroding bits of internet legislation. > Off to the Tower with you! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 10:30:45 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: white house on jmdl In a message dated 9/29/00 11:12:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << Thank you!!!! Pissed is a good word to describe how that post made me feel.I was asked by many people here to share my special day...as you can imagine,posts like that don't exactly make me feel welcome in sharing other special events.However,I know that this guy's rudeness is not the way most people here are.I have always found people here to be very warm and open minded,and usually very polite. >> That's right Relayer, you tell 'em. They're gonna aim the hoses on you, show them you won't expire. I'd like to hear more about your visit to the White House. I'd also like to see the PICS too. You can email me privately is you would like. As a matter of fact JMDLers, I had the pleasure of talking to Relayer on AOL instant messenger right after he posted his original report of his visit to the White House. I had asked him if he told Hillary that he was a huge Joni Mitchell fan. He said he had the time of his life. Relayer my point to you is that although some people on this list can be very cruel, don't let them hurt you. No one can take that memorable weekend away from you! No one! You're buddy Rose in NJ Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:29:28 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Sophmore jive, jive jive jive C Karma! What a good read that was. My first copy of Blue used to hiccup on a track that went "I am on a lonely road and I am travelling, travelling, travelling, travelling". I haven't been able to find a decent copy since. But it sounds fine by me. Also had the same problem with a Cha cha cha cha chaka Khan single. Come to think of it, my copy of Hejira has a similar hiccup on Black Crow. My copy goes "diving diving diving diving, diving down". I can't think of it being any other way now. Have a great wee-ee-ee-ee-ee-kend. Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:51:04 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Stockings In a message dated 9/30/00 12:56:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << In a different vein, "They're putting up stockings singing songs of joy and peace." >> Would that be varicose? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:58:19 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: The SOuth Bank Show Hello All Just a quickie as I have noticed that the new season of The South Bank Show is going to air on ITV on Sunday. I will be keeping a beady eye open for the Joni slot that they recorded recently. All the best Much Joni Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:10:00 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Skip stories In a message dated 9/30/00 1:38:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, willy100@indosat.net.id writes: << My first copy of Blue used to hiccup on a track that went "I am on a lonely road and I am travelling, travelling, travelling, travelling". I haven't been able to find a decent copy since. But it sounds fine by me. Also had the same problem with a Cha cha cha cha chaka Khan single. Come to think of it, my copy of Hejira has a similar hiccup on Black Crow. My copy goes "diving diving diving diving, diving down". I can't think of it being any other way now. >> After DJRD came out, I made two tapes of my favorite Joni songs. The first had the title tracks in chronological order on one side, with my favorite songs from each album in REVERSE chronological order on Side B. I made this tape in part to play in my car for Joni newbies so they could hear how she had grown and changed and a musician and songwriter. The second tape had my next-favorite songs on it, still mostly in chronological order on Side A and then reverse on side B. When Wild Things Run Fast came out, I made a new tape that focused mostly on Joni's rock and jazzier side, pulling mostly from that album, DJRD, FTR and Court & Spark. I guess there was a little skip in the vinyl on Man to Man, but here is how is came out on tape. The skip comes at "all gone so wrong on such a perfect beat that it sounds like it's supposed to be that way. After having heard it this way so many times, I think that's how it should be: MAN TO MAN No demands Just pleasurable sensations Hand in hand No far reaching plans No, no-hand in hand Well I keep on trying to understand Daylight bright How come I keep moving From man to man to man? Giving my sweet love-- Tasting sweet love-- Woman to man Sometimes it's easy You drift with the empty gladness Like it all belongs Sometimes it's low down sadness Like it's all gone so wrong all gone so wrong all gone so wrong When I saw you standing there I said to myself M-m-m here's a place I could break down and care ... Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:38:27 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: RE: white house on JMDL As an Irish kid that knows very little of politics or the rest, perhaps i have no grounds to stand on here because i will ignore the fact that some peoples political view may shade their perception of Relayaers original post. It seems to me that this person was merely relaying (ahem) a tale of an enjoyable time that he had....something we all do on this list from time to time. when he frist informed the list that he would be visiting the White House i was delighted for him and waited to see how it all went. i truly enjoyed that report, and found it to be sweet and honest. i spent three months in the United States this summer and one thing that made me feel a little uncomfrotable was the fact that so many of the Americans i met *seemed* to give off an air of superiority in their being american. these were patriotic people that loved their country. however, i am the kind of person that feels slightly uncomfortable around people of any culture with this trait (that includes Irish), but who am i to pass any judgement? surely my ideals would be equally as disconcerting to them....a teenager who is bored with stories of political scandals....a kid that has no designs on living in his country once he's educated....a lad that doesn't know what he wants from the future but doesn't care that he has a vote (cos i've never used it). i can only try to imagine one of those (wonderful) American people with whom i was acquainted this summer gatting the chance to share in Relayers experience and i know how amazing it would have been for them, and even i can revel in *their* joy and *their* positivity. So, yes indeed, Relayer may well have been feeling somewhat All-Americn, but i have to admit that i, apathetic as i am, would be feeling a little All-Irish if i got the chance to visit our President Mary McAleese in Aras an Uachtarain. and that is it, i think. i know that my thought here probably wasn't all too structured. but i am Irish afterall, so i must be stupid, and drunk....yes, i'm just attempting to make a bad joke:-) it did all make sense in my head GARRET NP_ KID A just ended, and i'm listening to silence. what an interesting album. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:49:14 -0400 From: "Marilyn Huggins" Subject: Re: "For The Roses" Lyrics From what I remember isn't a cubit the length from the index finger to the elbow? Marilyn - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 1:00 AM Subject: Re: "For The Roses" Lyrics > In a message dated 9/26/00 12:59:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > > << > No, I don't think so. Remember Joseph was a carpenter. And didn't they > build their boats and arks with board wood, rather than posts? ;-) > > Kakki >> > > Maybe. What's a cubit? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:37:57 -0600 From: Alison Subject: Re: All-Joni Mitchell program at JUDY'S CHELSEA I am proud to say I will be living in new york when these shows go down!!!!! Yeah! I'll be there with bells on, David. Either the 17th or the 19th. I'm so excited!!! take care, alison. > From: Dflahm@aol.com > Reply-To: Dflahm@aol.com > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:40:32 EDT > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: All-Joni Mitchell program at JUDY'S CHELSEA > > I'm going to be accompanying a pretty good jazz singer, Mitch Ellis, in an > all-Joni program: we are rehearsing > > Sunny Sunday Coyote In France They Kiss on Main Street Refuge of the > Roads > Cherokee Louise Raised on Robbery All I Want I Don't Know Where I Stand > Chelsea Morning > > Dave Ruffels will be on bass. > > The schedule is: Tues. Oct. 17 at 8:30 > Thurs. Oct. 19 at 11:00 > Tues. Oct. 24 at 8:30 > Thurs. Oct. 26 at 11:00 > > JUDY'S CHELSEA is at 169 8th Avenue between 18th & 19th Streets; the phone # > is (212) 929-5410. > > I played "The Surrey with the Fringe on Top" for a singer in the piano bar > tonight. The "Coyote" intro vamp worked perfectly. How about that? > > DAVID > LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:37:10 +0100 From: Nancy Subject: Re: Neil Young, re: Vinyl Hiccups Kate, Sounds like an awesome experience! I saw Neil Young in concert at Vet's Auditorium in Des Moines, Iowa in 1971 or 1972. It was a great concert. I don't know if it had to do with where I was sitting (front part of the balcony directly in front of the stage area), but the acoustics were great…I could hear every word! That was probably my all-time favorite concert. Is there a web-site with Neil's concert dates? Would love to hear him in concert again. - --Nancy/IA > Last night it was Neil Young at the SB County Bowl. That man is the living > example of a musician who just gets better with age. He plays guitar like a > man possessed. I don't think I have ever experienced anyone who is so pure & > connected to the muse, with the exception of Bob Marley. I have never seen > Neil live without CSNY (many decades ago) so am not sure if he has always > put 1,000% into his concerts the way he did last night. As a musician, he > has inspired me to new heights that is for sure. CC, Your post brought back a lot of memories for me. I don't know if you are a professional writer, but if not, you could be! I can't remember having any problems with albums, but my first copy of Joni's newest CD had some major problems. The store replaced it for me with no hassle. :-) - --Nancy/IA > Posting earlier about experience with vinyl, I began to wax dreamily about > instances where the medium used to amuse and infuriate. o ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:59:04 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Joni's pink hotel Hi everyone. I just got email from my sister who's on vacation in Hawaii. According to her, on her tour, she "first stayed in the "pink hotel" of Joni Mitchell fame." They must point that out to all the tourists :-) Having just gotten back from a week in Bermuda, I can't be too jealous... Aloha Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:49:33 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: SoCal gigs, Kate, Tom Rush, and Mingus (SJC) I'm not makring this NJC so that Phyliss and perhaps some others on the only joni list can see it and it's Joni-related, too. Congratulations to Kate Bennet for the Indiegrrl tour! I would love to make the Santa Barbara or Ventura dates but will have to see how my time goes. I plan to go to the Highland Grounds show in Hollywood on Oct. 12th and I hope some of the SoCal group will be able to come by. This is sure to be a great night of music. As Clark noted recently Tom Rush will be at McCabe's again on Saturday, Oct. 21st. I saw his show this time last year and it was completely entertaining, very special and filled with Joni content. Clark and I and hopefully some others plan to be there on the 21st. For those interested, tickets go on sale Monday, Oct. 2nd and I'd recommend getting one as soon as possible because he is a huge draw in the L.A. folk community and McCabe's is a teeny place. I also came across a fascinating tidbit in L.A. Weekly that is happening at the Jazz Bakery in Culver City in the upcoming week: "Tues.-Thurs.—Police guitarist Andy Summers takes on the music of Charles Mingus, with Dave Carpenter and Joel Taylor" The Jazz Bakery is a little jewel of a venue with astounding acoustics. This one ought to be real good. Dave Carpenter is a top drawer sax player who was on Joni's BSN tour and often plays with Peter Erskine. This show really intrigues me and I hope to get out to one of the nights. Anyone who wants to meet up for any of these shows, please let me know. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:13:17 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Joan Osborne Hey all, Just to throw in my bit on this...I agree, the follow-up to Relish is AWESOME and actually a shade or 2 lighter than it's predecessor in terms of overall 'feel' (IMO). The tour has already begun, and my stop here in Boston is Tuesday night. Don't have a ticket, but I'm thinking of just showing up and seeing what happens! -Chris. NP.The most beautifully impassioned "Amelia" San Francisco 8.8.79 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:48:35 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Thanks for your support everyone! After I posted my reaction yesterday,I quickly realized that one rude post certainly doesn't represent this group.Thanks everyone for being so supportive.MDESTE1-there's no need to apologize.your post did not in the least offend me.The only one which did,was the original post,the guy who was comparing me to Forest Gump I believe.If only I had liked that movie,maybe I'd look at it as a compliment.anyway,thanks everyone,and I will continue to work on being less thin skinned... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:52:44 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: A little story (SJC) I have a birthday coming up this month (no I'm not trolling for birthday wishes). Last month I received my notice from the Secretary of State saying I needed to renew my tabs on my auto license plate and I procrastinated dreadfully. Dragging my feet until the last minute possible I pulled into their office yesterday, got in line and saw the personalized plates ad on the wall as I waited my turn. My mind was wandering as I daydreamed about the possibilities. My number was called and as I handed over the paperwork to the clerk I casually asked how much it would be to change to a personalized plate and she answered $30.00 if the plate I wanted was available. My heart began to race as I spelled out the one I wanted, she looked it up in her computer and lo and behold.... it was mine for the low cost of $30 in addition to my renewal fee... decisions decisions... a heartbeat passed and I said "Do it!" I am now the proud owner of a new personalized license plate on my auto: SIQUOMB Does anyone else have a Joni-plate on their vehicle? If so what? If not, what would you choose? Cassy NP Michael Franks "Night Moves" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:51:25 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: The News (VLJC) Hello All- Welcome Andrew to the list as well as all the others who have been delurking here. Relayer, thanks so much for your post about the visit to The White House. What a blessing for you and your family. While I DID laugh at your post, it was only in joy for you, and I fail to see the "side splitting humor" that was expressed. Perhaps that person should send in some original humor so that we might understand his brand of it. I got back from Rochester on Thursday and thank God they decided not to operate on my dad. We are going to wait until January and see if the tumor has grown any or if he feels any symptoms. The doctor believes (as I do) that surgery would only reduce his quality of life and he is not very strong right now. His heart HAS improved though by about 20% which was very encouraging news. Thanks to all of you for your thoughts, prayers, emails, and telephone calls to my cell phone. I find such amazing strength from this wonderful group of people and from some very wonderful individuals here as well. Love to you all. I was listening to the recording of Day IN The Garden this evening and it is such an amazing recording. Does anyone know the source of this recording and if so what format was used to record it??? I will be switching to a new puter tomorrow so I hope I am able to get everything transfer over easily so I can be back up online. Finally a REAL puter thats REAL FAST to go with the dsl connection. Yippie! And a 40 Meg hard drive for those large audio files. The rough mixes of recordings from Jonifest2000New Orleans will be finished soon and sent out to all participants for approval before I will be doing the final mixes and releasing this set. I am still hoping for a pre Christmas release. I would like to do this right and in a very nice way because it will be my chance to raise further awareness and funds for the Foundation. I have received the plans from the architects for the Burn Unit in Honduras and I am trying to have it scanned and put up on the site for people to view. Hope everyone is having a wild and wonderful weekend. Paz NP-The wiring in the walls are hummmmmmmmmmmming some song... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 17:54:32 -0700 From: "Hell" Subject: Re: A little story (SJC) Cassy wrote: > My number was called and as I handed over the paperwork to the clerk I > casually asked how much it would be to change to a personalized plate and > she answered $30.00 if the plate I wanted was available. My heart began to > race as I spelled out the one I wanted, she looked it up in her computer and > lo and behold.... it was mine for the low cost of $30 in addition to my > renewal fee... decisions decisions... a heartbeat passed and I said "Do it!" > > I am now the proud owner of a new personalized license plate on my auto: > > SIQUOMB > > Does anyone else have a Joni-plate on their vehicle? If so what? If not, > what would you choose? I'd LOVE to get personalised plates, and I'd probably go for SIQUOMB as well (it's a different country, so it's OK), but we're not quite so fortunate with the price. Over here, it's over $300 to get them, plus the annual $200 registration fee. Maybe if I was rich?... Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #383 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?