From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #375 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, September 23 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 375 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Mitchell MP3 FTP Site! [Andrew Baio ] they died too young [Robert Holliston ] New CD [Jerry Notaro ] Died Too Young - SJC [Leslie Mixon ] Re: Died Too Young - SJC [pat holden ] Re: Chicago Concert [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Chicago Concert [Mark Domyancich ] More "voices"? and Kids' Classics - SJC [Lindsay Moon ] joni day [catman ] Taming the Tiger: Man from Mars [James O Phillips ] Re: MP3 FTP site? ["Reuben Bell" ] Stevie Wonder ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: More "voices"? and Kids' Classics - SJC ["Kakki" ] Re: Stevie Wonder ["Kakki" ] Re: memories of Wally [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Fwd: Re: memories of Wally [Susan McNamara ] Re: memories of Wally [FMYFL@aol.com] raising kids ["Kate Bennett" ] Best Singer/Songwriter [SMEBD@aol.com] SONGWRITERS ["Bill Chenevert" ] joni mp3 place ["Michael Paz" ] Re: memories of Wally [RoseMJoy@aol.com] two questions (SJC) ["Garret" ] Re: memories of Wally [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Memories of Wally Breese SJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Memories of Wally ["Alan Lorimer" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:00:58 -0700 From: Andrew Baio Subject: Joni Mitchell MP3 FTP Site! Okay, the MP3 FTP site is all set up. Just fire up your favorite FTP client (CuteFTP, Fetch, WS-FTP, etc.) and head to: Host: waxy.org Username: joni Password: joni Feel free to pass this on to your Joni-loving friends. Please contribute if you can... The more people that do, the better it will be. Oh, and read the login message. Thanks all. -- Andy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 02:24:42 -0700 From: Robert Holliston Subject: they died too young some jazzers who died way before their time: Bessie Smith Bix Beiderbecke Charlie Christian Charlie Parker Dinah Washington Scott LeFaro Jaco Pastorious These are all artists who died in their 20s or 30s. Losing Billie Holiday (at 44, my age) and Bill Evans (at 49) seems premature, too. For the moment, that's all.... Roberto ps. also Phil Ochs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:34:59 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: New CD I don't know if I'm letting the cat out of the bag, but our local Fall Preview guide lists "More Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell" by a certain David Lahm as coming out soon. Any more details, Mr. Lahm? When is the release party?! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:39:16 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Died Too Young - SJC My short list for died too young: Wally Breese (the Joni content) Gram Parsons Leslie M. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:13:53 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: Re: Died Too Young - SJC Leslie Mixon wrote: > My short list for died too young: > > Wally Breese (the Joni content) > > > Leslie M. oh Leslie...of all the names posted, this one got to me the most. Thank you so much for helping us remember Wally. Ive been on this list since April and Ive always wanted to hear shared memories about him. Yes my friends, that is an invitation. I look forward to more. love, Mags np: Morning Glory ... Simon Raymonde and Anneli Drecker from Disc one ... sing a song for you / tribute to tim buckley - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:43:00 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Chicago Concert Hi Nancy and welcome to the group! I was at the Chicago concert too! Although I didn't see Amy Grant, on the way out of the Hall I did overhear a few women discussing how they had seen her. So, I guess she must have been there. Nancy wrote: > One of my life goals has been to see Joni in concert, and I was able to attend > her concert in Chicago in May (!!) > > I took my sister-in-law with me to the concert. We were sitting there before it > started, and she said, "Doesn't that woman (in our row, but in the next section > over) look like Amy Grant?" I looked over and said, "Yes, I think it is her!" > All the seats for a row or two in front and behind this woman were unoccupied, > which we thought was strange. It makes sense that she would have an interest in > seeing Joni, as she recorded "Big Yellow Taxi" on one of her albums. Does > anyone know if Amy Grant attended the Chicago concert? - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:40:04 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Chicago Concert Hey Nancy! Welcome to the list! Where in Iowa are you located? NP (now playing) The Slip-Invisible Man At 12:54 AM +0100 9/22/00, Nancy wrote: >--Nancy/IA - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:53:25 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: More "voices"? and Kids' Classics - SJC Lindsay here, a very infrequent poster, but faithful lurker nonetheless. Loved reading about the recent Jonifest -- one day, one day -- and also the closing of "voices." I may have missed this along the way, but are there any rumblings that the show will be exhibited anywhere else? Like L.A.? I mean they've got the Getty any everything. No problem. Also, I have two kids, 4 and 6, and am thinking about music they should be exposed to. I so often hear on this list and in general people who say they remember music from their childhoods, or their parents playing this or that (i.e., the recent thread on music we grew up with or that made an early impression on us.) Of course I've done my best with the Joni and my husband's done his best with Ozzy Osbourne. Stevie Wonder is another thought; I think any kid would love his great tunes and it's pretty easily obtainable on perhaps a Greatest Hits of. I'd love to expose them to some classical but am so ignorant of it myself I wouldn't know where to start. The CDs I find that are made for kids seem a bit repetitive with "Peter and the Wolf," and some other common things. Would any of you have any suggestions for me on where to start or what you remember listening to from your youths -- uh, not to say any of you are old or anything. I did try to play them Debussy's "Nuages" from the recent "BSN" tour. It got mixed reviews from them (while I had tears streaming down my face) but I think it stuck somewhere in their tiny little spirits. One of my favorites is Beethoven's 7th and 8th, which a friend who studied at Oberlin laughed and said, he wrote that for his father's funeral! Ha! I guess it just shows I love melancholy music (of course another reason I love Joni -- feeds right into that vein.) Thank you in advance for any direction you can lead me. I'll let you know the results. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:04:56 +0100 From: catman Subject: joni day My divorce lawyer(only deals with str8's) friend Jan came up for a visit today. She has not heard Joni since Hejira. I played TI and NRH for her and she has gone home to London with them! - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:30:53 -0500 From: James O Phillips Subject: Taming the Tiger: Man from Mars I was listening to Taming the Tiger earlier, and was curious as to what tuning was used for the guitar on Man from Mars, as there is a guitar listed in the instrumental credits....... I forgot how much I loved that album when I got it. It has special memories for me as I bought it the weekend I met Patrick:-) James Phillips visit my updated web page at http://homestead.juno.com/jamespatrick7556/JamesthePage.html ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:42:42 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: Pardon? Perhaps, but definitely in an adjoining suburb of bad taste. >>> 09/21/00 10:17PM >>> writes: Well, I did give pause before writing that one, but felt the precedents already had paved the way. I hope no one was offended by the usage in this context (and wonder about the oversensitivity of anyone who might be), but if they were, I apologize anyway. It certainly is not comparable to inviting Hitler to dinner. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:46:19 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: MP3 FTP site? I kind of disagree with this, actually. It would be much easier for me to download these songs from an FTP site and listen to them at my desk at work vs. going through the somewhat complicated process of trading, mailing, waiting, copying, etc. Not everyone has the ability to play MP3 files, but its pretty hassle free for those that do. Reuben, on a beatiful day in Philadelphia. >>> Mark Domyancich 09/21/00 10:43PM >>> But they ARE available, that's just the thing. If you search around or ask nicely you will get the recordings either treed or elsewhere. It's much easier to get them on tape or CD. NP-the Olympics At 5:49 PM -0700 9/21/00, Andy Baio wrote: > The way I figure it, they're unavailable (i.e. live > or unreleased) songs. If you don't have a problem > trading bootleg tapes with other people, then you > shouldn't have a problem with this. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:02:20 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Stevie Wonder "Albums like Talking Book, Innervisions, Songs in the Key of Life, Where I'm Coming From contain so much brilliant material." I agree, these are among my most favorite albums of all time. It was years later, when I was looking through a friend's Stevie Wonder songbook that I was suprised at how some of the songs had lyrics that, without the music, seemed so awkward. Maybe it is because the music was so extraordinary. It was something I had never noticed in the context of hearing his music & perhaps this is a testament to his incredible talent as a musician & singer that he is able to meld all of these elements into some of the most wonderful songs I have ever heard. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:02:10 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: More "voices"? and Kids' Classics - SJC Hi Lindsay, Good to hear from you and know you San Diegans (Hi Criag, too are faithfully lurking ;-) > I may have missed this along the way, but are > there any rumblings that the show will be exhibited >anywhere else? Like L.A.? I mean they've got the Getty any >everything. No problem. So far the talk has been for "Voices" to maybe tour a few more Canadian venues, but it's confirmed that the paintings are on their way back to L.A. now so hopefully Joni will put them up here soon before they ship out again! I think the perfect place for an L.A. exhibition would be MOCA, which is the perfect size for it and which has revolving exhibits and...it's *right* across the street from me so we could make an easy party at my place, heehee ;-D I think Bob's and Jimmy's recommendations are great for the kids' music. Before I even finished your post I also thought of Stevie Wonder and Debussy. I would recommend Stevie's Original Musiquarium, which is a selection of some of his best from the 60s to the early 80s. My parents exposed me to a few of the classic composers when I was about 4 years old but the one that I preferred was Debussy, whose music I used to plunk out on a little keyboard with an easy music book that used "1, 2, 3's" instead of C, D, E, F, G's. The Debussy connection probably set the groundwork for my future affinity for JM. I would also highly recommend playing them some of what I consider some of the classic composers of the 20th century - such as Samuel Barber, George Gershwin and Irving Berlin. The music is so beautiful, goes straight into the heart and is, in my opinion, more accessible than some of the "older" classicists. Kakki NP: Stevie Wonder - Come Down ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:21:59 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: memories of Wally At 10:13 AM -0500 9/22/00, pat holden wrote: >Ive been on this list since April and Ive always >wanted to hear shared memories about him. Yes my >friends, that is an invitation. > >I look forward to more. Ok, a short one so I don't start crying: Wally would call me at work often and cry "Sue, why doesn't Joni call me...what more can I do!" then one day he called me and played the answering machine message he got from Joni. When he called her back they were on the phone for over an hour (with Joni doing most of the gabbing). He called me back and told me all about it in detail!! He was ecstatically happy and his dream had come true. I really felt honored that he would call me. We were good friends and never met. Can you believe it? :-( God bless wally! sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:16:45 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Stevie Wonder Kate wrote: > "Albums like Talking Book, Innervisions, Songs in the Key >of Life, Where I'm Coming From contain so much brilliant >material." > I agree, these are among my most favorite albums of all >time. Major "me, too" here. Joni's music may be the soundtrack of my life but Stevie's has always, always been the soundtrack of my joy. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:52:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: memories of Wally I never had the privelege of meeting with Wally either. But when TTT came out, I sent a post about the USA Today issue that featured a cover picture of Joni and a nice article about her and the CD. Wally sent me a message asking me if I would send him a copy of the article, which of course I was proud to do! I remember cutting and folding that newspaper picture and article, probably as carefully as if I was circumcising myself! :~) I remember being so proud to have contributed even a small something to the wealth of what Wally gave so generously to us all through his work with JM.com. That's the only memory I have of him except for when I heard him sing "Woodstock" on the "Tape of You" collection and feeling like the warmth of his voice matched his heart... Bob NP: Raw Youth, "tame yourself" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:03:40 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Fwd: Re: memories of Wally >That's the only memory I have of him except for when I heard him >sing "Woodstock" on the "Tape of You" collection and feeling like >the warmth of his voice matched his heart... > >Bob Wally had a wry sense of humor, he was loveable, smart, extremely talented and at the same time innocently vulnerable. Although he fought tooth and nail for Joni to get the recognition she so rightly deserved on the web he had a lot of humility when it came to protecting her image as he always saw it, peerless dignity. He was appalled at anyone who saw it any other way. He was a very wonderful person, and Joni could not have asked for a more loving advocate. Have a great weekend all, sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:25:23 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: memories of Wally In a message dated 9/22/00 4:59:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << I never had the privelege of meeting with Wally either. >> Like Bob, I never got to meet Wally either. I did feel blessed by the many emails we exchanged, and the one time I was fortunate to talk to him on the phone. I was so excited, it was as if I was talking with Joni. It didn't take very long before he put me at ease and we were discussing Joni, the JMDL, and all sorts of things. I still think of that phone call often, and I thank Wally for starting such a wonderful and loving family. I also thank Jim Johanson and Les Irvin for continuing to fulfill Wally's dream. I still miss him. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:16:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: raising kids As for kids & divorce, what I have learned from experience (from both sides now) is that what is of primary importance in raising happy healthy kids is that the kids know that they are loved & treasured & wanted by their parents. And that the parents have similar values so that their children are not torn up by two opposing veiwpoints. On a new note, even though none of this is really any of our business, I would imagine that eventually, both of those kids are going to want to have a relationship with their biological father. ******************************************** Kate Bennett featured this month at Taylor Guitars www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/ www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:14:25 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Best Singer/Songwriter Is Joni the best? She touches me like no other. To the list of other great singer/songwriters, I'd have to add: Mary Chapin Carpenter Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:18:50 EDT From: "Bill Chenevert" Subject: SONGWRITERS Hello All, Of course your opinions are welcome and that's why I send this email but....my list goes a lil' somethin' like this: Joni Mitchell duh James Taylor (Fire and Rain blows me away) Pete Townshend (come on' he wrote "I hope I die before I get old", that's ballsy songwriting) JOHN AND PAUL Roger Waters (The Wall's lyrics are intense man) Dylan of course Carole King and Paul Simon There it is. Just to contribute, respond with any input if you feel so inclined. I'm guessing Pete and Roger will be unwelcome for some reason but Quadrophenia's got some awesome lyrics and Roger's kinda too recent but whatever, they're awesome, that's indisputable, I dunno about the best. See ya. Bill, 17 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:24:23 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: joni mp3 place Hi Andy- Welcome to the list! I think this is a great idea. It is a way to preview some of the stuff out there before we tree it. Which reminds me, WE HAVEN'T HAD A JONI TREE GOING HERE IN QUITE SOME TIME!!! How about it Jim, Simon, Les? BOB??? I have made the the Walecki Benefit show (both nights) available to several list members last week, and I plan to send a few more out as soon as I can so anyone that is interested can get some copies of this show. I am reluctant to start a tree of this (6 discs) because I am overwhelmed right now and I want to finish mixing JoniFest2000NewOrleans asap. Peace Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:53:04 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: memories of Wally I never had the pleasure of meeting Wally either. I only talked to him through numerous e-mails. The first e-mail I ever sent him was about the MSG show in NYC when Joni was touring with Dylan. It was the first time I had ever seen Joni in concert. I was so excited I remember. I attached a couple of shots I had taken of her from my less than perfect vantage point (which was behind the stage) I was a little disappointed in my seating arrangement as I'm sure you can understand having waited half a lifetime to see my idol. Having expressed this to Wally I remember him replying to my e-mail saying what a shame it was, as my photo was "very realistic." The next day I found my photo posted on his webpage. When I saw that photo, ecstatic won't even describe the way I felt! I remember just crying tears of joy. It can still be seen here: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Frames1.html I have had the distinct pleasure of talking to Jim Johanson on the telephone. Jim I know that you're lurking out there. You are swell too. ;~) well, that was my first remembrance of Wally. (sigh) Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:30:28 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: two questions (SJC) when i first signed up for the list i had two questions to ask and had put them off until now; firstly, i really wanted to know how to pronounce Hejira, and that was answered on the list recently by Kenny Grant (thank you sooooo much). i can't hold my silence any longer on this other question....and it may seem a little stupid to some people, but i'm sure some of ye'all have better ears than i. in Joni's Come in from the Cold, think of the chorus and we have Joni singing " COme In, Oh Come in" and so on, but what is she singing in the backing vocal?? anyway, i do have a second question. i picked up a compilation of live recordings and there was a song called "regarding steven" sung by John Popper. this is an amazing song. i totally fell for it. i had never heard of Popper, but some American friends of mine informed me that he is with Blues Traveller (??), a band that i'd never heard of either. so, i want to know all about them....does anyone here have a clue. and further, if i wanted to buy some albums of theirs where should i start? is there a studio version of "regarding steven", does Popper have solo albums? GARRET- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:36:04 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: memories of Wally My first encounter with Wally was even before the jmdl, back on the "cafe" portion of his website. I posted there and corresponded with him and someone else about 4 or 5 years ago. Then, before the jmdl starting meeting up and getting together, I was lucky to attend one of the first list "meet and greets" about 11 months after the list was launched. The best part was finally getting to meet Meriweather Jones, who was a prolific, witty and seriously funny list member from way back. Other dinner attendees included Steve and Leslie Mixon, (they were especially thoughtful because they noticed my Eiffel Tower earring and upon a later meeting, brought me an Eiffel Tower print for my walls. I was really touched by that gesture.), a crucial original list member, Rich Neuwith, librarian extraordinare, Darice and a bearded man accompanied by a small entourage of one really tall guy, (who turned out to be Jim Johnson) and one bald biker looking dude, (who turned out to be someone I can't remember). The man with the beard turned out to be the not-yet-so-infamous Wally Breeze. Wally was very friendly and pleasant. He was not the belle of the ball, but had a nice ease about him in spite of his shyness. There was real magic was between Wally and Leslie Mixon. They really hit it off and once again, I was lucky enough to see that rare breed of friendship during a future meeting in San Francisco. They were both lucky to have each other. The Joni Mitchell Homepage was the first thing that I found when I got my first computer. I remember how thrilled I was as a patiently downloaded the pages, (2400 bps modem!), and read the installments of "Joni Mitchell and the History of My Melancholy." And of course, without Les Irvin's JMDL, that provided the link to other kindred spirits. And that's what I remember. MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:37:55 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Memories of Wally Breese SJC Let's try this again, as it didn't seem to go the first time around. I never had the pleasure of meeting Wally in person either. I only conversed with him through numerous e-mails. The first e-mail I ever sent him was about the MSG show in NYC when Joni was touring with Dylan. It was the first time I had ever seen Joni in concert. I was so excited I remember. I attached a couple of shots I had taken of her from my less than perfect vantage point (which was behind the stage) I was a little disappointed in my seating arrangement as I'm sure you can understand having waited half a lifetime to see my idol. Having expressed this to Wally I remember him replying to my e-mail saying what a shame it was, as my photo was "very realistic." The next day I found my photo posted on his webpage. When I saw that photo, ecstatic won't even describe the way I felt! I remember just crying tears of joy. It can still be seen here: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Frames1.html I have had the distinct pleasure of talking to Jim Johanson on the telephone. Jim I know that you're lurking out there. You are swell too. ;~) well, that was my first remembrance of Wally. (sigh) Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:02:54 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Memories of Wally Susan, Thank you for sharing this wonderful story on the list. It has really made my day :) Alan Lorimer www.hawleybeach.com Tasmania ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #375 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?