From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #374 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, September 22 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 374 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: joni's melisma? [Robert Holliston ] Re: HOSL and blindness ["Diane Evans" ] Re: Stevie Wonder ["Victor Johnson" ] Fwd: Re: Stevie Wonder [Susan McNamara ] Re: Re: Stevie Wonder ["Mark or Travis" ] too young to die young ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Stevie Wonder (SJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Stevie Wonder [michael w yarbrough ] Re: Stevie Wonder/singer-songwriters. [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Stevie Wonder/singer-songwriters. ["Patricia O'Connor" ] MP3 FTP site? [Andy Baio ] Re: joni's melisma? [FredNow@aol.com] Re: test your geojoniography trivia acumen [Mark Domyancich ] Re: test your geojoniography trivia acumen [michael w yarbrough ] Re: MP3 FTP site? [Andy Baio ] Re: test your geojoniography trivia acumen [Dottie Hinkel ] Re: Pardon? [Jason Maloney ] Re: MP3 FTP site? ["Diane Evans" ] Re: MP3 FTP site? [Andy Baio ] Re: test your geojoniography trivia acumen [Deb Messling ] Re: test your geojoniography trivia acumen ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: MP3 FTP site? [Mark Domyancich ] Article from the globeandmail.com Web Centre [Rose in NJ ] Chicago Concert [Nancy ] Tribute to Joni Mitchell--a question for you [Nancy ] Re: Tribute to Joni Mitchell--a question for you [JRMCo1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 01:48:20 -0700 From: Robert Holliston Subject: Re: joni's melisma? Yup, it's called a melisma, and Joni does it a lot - there's a particularly juicy one in Otis and Marlena. We already know Joni's charismatic, now we know she's melismatic ;-) roberto Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I really know very,very little about the technical aspects of > music,but I love the way Joni sounds when she sings a word or a syllable,and > her voice goes up and down on that one word and syllable.For example when she > sings "sign off prayer" on "You turn me on I'm a radio" on FTR,her voice goes > up and down on the first sylllable of "sign off".and when she sings "the > wires and the walls are humming" on "Edith and the Kingpin" on HOSL,her voice > goes up and down on the word "humming".Is this called melisma? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:11:36 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: HOSL and blindness Alan, You wrote: >Diane, > A few months ago I was sent a copy of the photo you are talking about. >I >can't remember, but I think it was Bruce Merril who sent me the photo. I >haven't got a copy on the computer I'm using at present, but I can send you >a copy in a couple of days if no one sends you one in the mean time. > > I would appreciate that photo. I am still searching for the copy of National Geographic that the original photo appeared in, but am afraid I'm horribly disorganized because of the move. Did you also read the accompanying article? I think it relates to some of the music on HOSL. Looking forward to hearing from you! Diane NP "Snow on the Sahara" (Anggun) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:39:28 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Stevie Wonder > > Stevie Wonder? Absolutely. He's a musical genius. His lyrics don't approach > the eloquence of Joni's, but the force is undeniably strong with him. Look > at his body of work. > > -Julius > np: Stevie Wonder: "I Never Dreamed You'd Leave in Summer" Hi Julius, Stevie Wonder ranks very high in my book. The way he sings so effortlessly is truly amazing. And in my opinion, his lyrics are beautiful and blend perfectly with his voice. I don't think they could be anything other than what they are. So much of this is intuitive and seemingly abstract but there is a magic that takes place when the lyrics are sung to music and they are welded together. Both become something much greater together than what they are by themselves. One of the keys to writing good songs is being able to take lyrics and marry them to the right chords and melodies and vice versa. In this capacity, I believe Stevie Wonder is a musical genius. Albums like Talking Book, Innervisions, Songs in the Key of Life, Where I'm Coming From contain so much brilliant material. So I would have to disagree with the statement, "if Stevie's lyrics weren't so bad I would consider him a great songwriter." As someone pointed out earlier, it is fruitless to compare all these incredible musicians to each other to decide who is the greatest. As is the case with Joni Mitchell, no one has ever written songs like Stevie Wonder and no one ever will. Taking lyrics aside and reading them as poetry is very subjective and some lyrics stand alone better than others. But within the context of his own compositions, Stevie Wonder is a master songwriter without question and in my opinion, one of the most unique along with Joni Mitchell. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:46:04 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Fwd: Re: Stevie Wonder What you say here is so true, Victor. I think we are spoiled with how Joni melds her complex lyrics with the music and still makes it work. The object is to balance it so there is beauty. Stevie is a master at that, I agree. I had two other people I was thinking about this morning that do it for me, although I'm not sure how high they rank on the list: David Bowie and Al Green. If I'm feeling in love I like to love with Rev. Green!! Teach me! love, sue >Stevie Wonder ranks very high in my book. The way he sings so effortlessly >is truly amazing. And in my opinion, his lyrics are beautiful and blend >perfectly with his voice. I don't think they could be anything other than >what they are. So much of this is intuitive and seemingly abstract but >there is a magic that takes place when the lyrics are sung to music and they >are welded together. Both become something much greater together than what >they are by themselves. One of the keys to writing good songs is being able >to take lyrics and marry them to the right chords and melodies and vice >versa. In this capacity, I believe Stevie Wonder is a musical genius. >Albums like Talking Book, Innervisions, Songs in the Key of Life, Where I'm >Coming From contain so much brilliant material. ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 06:32:01 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Re: Stevie Wonder The object is to balance it so there is beauty. Stevie is a > master at that, I agree. And so is Carly Simon. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:02:00 EDT From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: too young to die young Yea, they are all good choices.. in my opinon.. Frank Zappa.. could have lived for 20 more years.. with all the compositions he could have written.. I would have loved to have seen him conducting a concert one day. Bob Marley.. You know he would have never gotten stale or swayed away for his message of love, peace, and unity, Charles Mingus.. Another composer I wish could have continued John Coltrane.. Marvin Gaye... Curtis Mayfield... (damn that faulty lighting rig!!!) Eric Dolphy Janis Joplin Jimi Tim and Jeff Buckley... and the list could go on forever... Blair _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:19:30 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Stevie Wonder (SJC) waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: << Stevie Wonder ranks very high in my book. The way he sings so effortlessly is truly amazing. And in my opinion, his lyrics are beautiful and blend perfectly with his voice. >> I couldn't agree more Victor. Stevie's songs played a very important role in my musical upbringing. One of the first songs that I loved as a kid was "I Was Made To Love Her." I know that the lines ...."my papa disapproved it, my mamma she boo-hoo'd it" weren't the most prolific words, but it fit the song and did blend with his voice perfectly. Even Joni's line "I can't get through the day, Without at least one big boo-hoo" in Man from Mars fits perfectly in the song IMO. Not all *good* lyrics have to be so deep that an Internet discussion list is needed to interpret them, but hey what do I know ? :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:49:22 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Stevie Wonder I love having my words taken out of context! Anyone who knows me knows I'm nuts about Stevie Wonder. He is one of the top 2 or 3 music-writers for sure. I just don't think he fit the thread of greatest-singer-songwriters-with-longevity-as-compared-to-Joni because his lyrics so often, IMO, fail to live up to the majesty of his chord changes, melodies, and performances. He has a tendency to invert predicates with subjects and adjectives with nouns for the sole purpose of achieving rhyme. Not that normal sentence structure is a prerequisite for great lyric writing (reference some Prince songs), but I think reverting to that instead of searching for an even more perfect rhyming word that enhances meaning and maintains the lyric flow, as Joni so often does seemingly effortlessly, is a better choice. One example that springs to mind from an indisputably classic song is: "Looking back on when I / was a little nappy-headed boy Then my only worry / was for Christmas what would be my toy" That last line, while not diminishing his greatness one bit, is not typical of the kind of songwriting I took the thread to be after identifying. Stevie is surely one of the great musicians of this century. I love love love love love love love him. (Is that clear? :-) ) He falls a bit short in one key aspect of *craftsmanship*, however, that disqualified him from the narrow parameters of the thread. I excluded many other greats and faves (Bowie, Madonna, to name two) for similar reasons, but I still love them, too. All that said, I have far more respect for innovation than craftsmanship, and find such exercises as that thread only useful in provoking us to think in greater detail about music. Ultimately, the most important thing is just to love the music! (And the _Music_, but more on that later...) - --Michael NP: Madonna, _Music_ - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Sometimes I contemplate moving to a warmer place But then the lake and skyline give me a warm embrace." - --Common, "Reminding Me (Of Sef)" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:46:49 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Stevie Wonder/singer-songwriters. In a message dated 9/21/00 10:54:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mwyarbro@midway.uchicago.edu writes: << Anyone who knows me knows I'm nuts about Stevie Wonder. He is one of the top 2 or 3 music-writers for sure. I just don't think he fit the thread of greatest-singer-songwriters-with-longevity-as-compared-to-Joni because his lyrics so often, IMO, fail to live up to the majesty of his chord changes, melodies, and performances. He has a tendency to invert predicates with subjects and adjectives with nouns for the sole purpose of achieving rhyme. Not that normal sentence structure is a prerequisite for great lyric writing (reference some Prince songs), but I think reverting to that instead of searching for an even more perfect rhyming word that enhances meaning and maintains the lyric flow, as Joni so often does seemingly effortlessly, is a better choice. >> I suspect that of Stevie Wonder was too concerned with sentence structure and searched for better rhyming words rather than occasionally inverting subjects with predicates and adjectives with nouns he might sound a tad pedantic to his primary audience. Now it could be contended that Joni's lyrics ARE somewhat pedantic and that she occasionally "stretches" the pronunciation of words in order to make a rhyme ("rhine wine/clandestine" stands out in my mind as a particularly atrocious example), but Joni's style of songwriting and the fact she is white allows her to get away with a bit of pedantry. One other thing: Early on in the singer-songwriter thread someone said that songwriting teams such as Lennon-McCartney were being purposely excluded from the discussion, I suppose because he or she thought that two minds gave those teams an advantage orver a lone person. Still, when I disregard all the Lennon-McCartney songs and only consider what John write by his lonesome as a solo artist, Lennon still ranks on my list as high as ANYONE, including Ms. Mitchell. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:47:47 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Stevie Wonder/singer-songwriters. From: > I suspect that of Stevie Wonder was too concerned with sentence structure and > searched for better rhyming words rather than occasionally inverting subjects > with predicates and adjectives with nouns he might sound a tad pedantic to > his primary audience. >but Joni's style of songwriting and the fact she is white >allows her to get away with a bit of pedantry This is some sort of joke right? You can't be serious. Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:28:03 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Fwd: Re: Stevie Wonder/singer-songwriters. Absolutely. Another person who should have had a longer career. What a wise old grandpa John would have been. sigh. sue > Still, when I disregard all the Lennon-McCartney songs and only consider >what John write by his lonesome as a solo artist, Lennon still ranks on my >list as high as ANYONE, including Ms. Mitchell. > >Paul I ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:57:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Bird Subject: test your geojoniography trivia acumen What is the only State in the Union besides California mentioned in more than one Joni song? For bonus points, name the other five states (again, besides California) she names in her lyrics. Washington (as in D.C.) and New York (as in New York City) do not count. See how many you can get without peeking! The winner gets love, respect, international kudos from the JMDL, and a Pagliacci summer frock (there's one around here somewhere). Nickel Chief (with thanks to Stephen for unfolding his mental maps on this one) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:03:36 +0100 From: catman Subject: Pardon? Looking up Joni looking for dvd's and rarities I found: The Missing of Summer (Jap. Imp.) Chinese Taxi (imp) Okay so which albums did I miss? - -- bw colin colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:03:14 -0700 From: Andy Baio Subject: MP3 FTP site? Hi, all... I'm a newcomer to the jmdl, and happy to be here. A quick question: If I created an FTP site for all Joni fans as a place to store rare and unavailable Joni recordings in MP3 format, would you all be interested? I already have three bootlegs available and would be happy to create an account just for jmdl'ers, if there was enough interest and if everyone would be willing to contribute their bootlegs as well. It seems this would be a bit more efficient than the tape trees of yore. Any thoughts? -- Andy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:05:40 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's melisma? Relayer211@aol.com wrote: >I really know very,very little about the technical aspects of >music,but I love the way Joni sounds when she sings a word or a syllable,and >her voice goes up and down on that one word and syllable.For example when >she sings "sign off prayer" on "You turn me on I'm a radio" on FTR,her voice >goes up and down on the first sylllable of "sign off" ... Is this called melisma? Yes, melisma means singing more than one note per syllable. It started hundreds of years ago in plainsong chant. Joni is a great modern practitioner of it, as are Aretha Franklin and Stevie Wonder. R&B singers in particular have perfected the art. However, lately there seems to be a deluge of melismatic overkill as witnessed in Mariah, Christina, Whitney, Britney, Mandy, Candy, Randy, and the whole damn slew of R&B inflected singers ... way, way over the top. In melisma, as in many things in life, less is more. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:29:11 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: test your geojoniography trivia acumen North Dakota, Florida, Tennessee, Colorado, and one more! At 2:57 PM -0400 9/21/00, Michael Bird wrote: >For bonus points, name the other five states (again, besides >California) she names in her lyrics. NP-HOSL demos, Dreamland - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:33:19 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: MP3 FTP site? No way. For one thing, when audio is converted into MP3 format some frequency is lost in the conversion. SHN is a much better format. It may be more efficient than tape trees but also no one will trade for MP3 sourced shows. Also you would have to have a constant connection leaving the modem users in the dust. If you still wished to have an FTP site, SHN is the way to go, but I won't take any part in it. At 1:03 PM -0700 9/21/00, Andy Baio wrote: > Hi, all... I'm a newcomer to the jmdl, and > happy to be here. > > A quick question: If I created an FTP site > for all Joni fans as a place to store rare > and unavailable Joni recordings in MP3 > format, would you all be interested? > > I already have three bootlegs available > and would be happy to create an account > just for jmdl'ers, if there was enough > interest and if everyone would be willing > to contribute their bootlegs as well. > > It seems this would be a bit more efficient > than the tape trees of yore. Any thoughts? > > -- Andy. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:35:44 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: test your geojoniography trivia acumen Maine, no? Am I inventing a memory? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Sometimes I contemplate moving to a warmer place But then the lake and skyline give me a warm embrace." - --Common, "Reminding Me (Of Sef)" On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Mark Domyancich wrote: > North Dakota, Florida, Tennessee, Colorado, and one more! > > At 2:57 PM -0400 9/21/00, Michael Bird wrote: > >For bonus points, name the other five states (again, besides > >California) she names in her lyrics. > > NP-HOSL demos, Dreamland > > -- > Mark Domyancich > Harpua@revealed.net > tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ > "Close it yourself, shitty!" > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:37:23 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: MP3 FTP site? I would be interested. Andy Baio wrote: > Hi, all... I'm a newcomer to the jmdl, and > happy to be here. > > A quick question: If I created an FTP site > for all Joni fans as a place to store rare > and unavailable Joni recordings in MP3 > format, would you all be interested? > > I already have three bootlegs available > and would be happy to create an account > just for jmdl'ers, if there was enough > interest and if everyone would be willing > to contribute their bootlegs as well. > > It seems this would be a bit more efficient > than the tape trees of yore. Any thoughts? > > -- Andy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:46:20 -0700 From: Andy Baio Subject: Re: MP3 FTP site? Mark Domyancich wrote: > No way. For one thing, when audio is converted into MP3 format some > frequency is lost in the conversion. SHN is a much better format. Funny, I consider myself pretty informed about this sort of thing, but I've never even heard of the SHN format. What is it? The benefits of the MP3 format are largely based in its support and availability. For example, as a Linux user, I doubt that there's a client that can encode or even PLAY this .SHN format. Is it widely available for Mac users, even? Any loss in audio quality can be compensated for by increasing the bit rate. Then again, isn't the decrease in quality much worse when dubbing from analog tape-to-tape-to-tape, then from source-to-MP3? > It may be more efficient than tape trees but also no one will trade > for MP3 sourced shows. Also you would have to have a constant > connection leaving the modem users in the dust. If you still wished > to have an FTP site, SHN is the way to go, but I won't take any part > in it. I think you're misunderstanding. I would simply set up an FTP site on my dedicated connection as a constant resource to the community. If people wanted to upload MP3s, fine; otherwise, it's just a resource for people online. As for modem users, their connections wouldn't matter. An FTP site isn't a peer-to-peer application, like Napster or Gnutella. Everybody would be able to access it (although downloading MP3s on a dial-up connection can be a test of your patience). -- Andy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Dottie Hinkel Subject: Re: test your geojoniography trivia acumen New York's mentioned more than once and as for the five other states, well, New Jersey, Florida, Arizona, Iowa and....? - --- Michael Bird wrote: > What is the only State in the Union besides > California mentioned in more than one Joni song? > > For bonus points, name the other five states (again, > besides California) she names in her lyrics. > > Washington (as in D.C.) and New York (as in New York > City) do not > count. See how many you can get without peeking! > > The winner gets love, respect, international kudos > from the JMDL, and a Pagliacci summer frock (there's > one around here somewhere). > > Nickel Chief > (with thanks to Stephen for unfolding his mental > maps on this one) > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:29:24 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: MP3 FTP site? SHN (Shorten) is a compression scheme for aiff or wav files. They are mainly used to trade shows online through high speed connections. From there the files are decoded with an application called Shorten (which is available for both Mac and Winblows) and burned to CD. I don't know if it's available for Linux, I don't know why anyone would want to run that except for those who do can say "Yea, I'm running Linux!" (yay) I suppose you're right about source to MP3 being a better idea than tape to tape etc., but you would have to encode them at a high bit rate (at least 192) but still... it's an MP3 sourced show, and sensitive ears can tell. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:56:50 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Pardon? catman wrote: > > Looking up Joni looking for dvd's and rarities I found: > The Missing of Summer (Jap. Imp.) > Chinese Taxi (imp) > > Okay so which albums did I miss? Don't Join The Reckless Slaughter....for one. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:35:14 EST From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: MP3 FTP site? Andy, You wrote: > A quick question: If I created an FTP site > for all Joni fans as a place to store rare > and unavailable Joni recordings in MP3 > format, would you all be interested? > Wow! Not a moment's hesitation! Yes, yes, yes! Okay, maybe a moment's hesitation; do we have to worry about ethics here? I'm new at the internet stuff, so I don't know what the feelings are, especially from the artists... Diane _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:49:55 -0700 From: Andy Baio Subject: Re: MP3 FTP site? Diane Evans wrote: > Okay, maybe a moment's hesitation; do we have to worry about ethics here? > I'm new at the internet stuff, so I don't know what the feelings are, > especially from the artists... The way I figure it, they're unavailable (i.e. live or unreleased) songs. If you don't have a problem trading bootleg tapes with other people, then you shouldn't have a problem with this. There will absolutely not be any commercially- available recordings on the site at all. Joni and her record label won't miss out on a lick of revenue. If they ever release any of the recordings that we have online, I'll delete the offending tracks immediately. -- Andy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:58:22 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: test your geojoniography trivia acumen I don't know if this counts, but Florida is sung about in Rainy Night House and talked about (Rod Steiger) in Tax Free ("that little islan south of Florida.") Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:06:47 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Pardon? In a message dated 9/21/00 8:10:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jason.maloney@virgin.net writes: << catman wrote: > > Looking up Joni looking for dvd's and rarities I found: > The Missing of Summer (Jap. Imp.) > Chinese Taxi (imp) > > Okay so which albums did I miss? Don't Join The Reckless Slaughter....for one. Jason. >> And there are others: Ladies of the Evening Eat Dog Wild Chinks Run Fast Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:40:28 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Pardon? at 09:06 PM 9/21/00 EDT, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: >Wild Chinks Run Fast Paul, certainly you must be aware that many, if not most, people consider "chink" to be a racial slur. I for one do not like to see it used like this, even if you were attempting to be funny. Scott, debating whether to add NJC to the subject or not, decided not to since the original didn't have it... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:56:52 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: test your geojoniography trivia acumen > What is the only State in the Union besides California mentioned in more than one Joni song? > > For bonus points, name the other five states (again, besides California) she names in her lyrics. > Arizona, Florida (Rainy Night House), Colorado (My Secret Place), North Dakota (Song For Sharon), Tennessee (Furry Sings the Blues), New Jersey (Good Friends) That's six! Maybe 'sun goes down in Jersey' isn't supposed to count as she doesn't say the whole name? The only one I can think of mentioned in two songs is Florida if you count Rod Steiger's mention of it at the end of Tax Free. Otherwise I've racked my brain & can't come up with the state mentioned in two Joni songs. Mark in Seattle who didn't peek, honest! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:17:50 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Pardon? In a message dated 9/21/00 9:38:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sp@olympus.net writes: << >Wild Chinks Run Fast Paul, certainly you must be aware that many, if not most, people consider "chink" to be a racial slur. I for one do not like to see it used like this, even if you were attempting to be funny. Scott, debating whether to add NJC to the subject or not, decided not to since the original didn't have it... >> Well, I did give pause before writing that one, but felt the precedents already had paved the way. I hope no one was offended by the usage in this context (and wonder about the oversensitivity of anyone who might be), but if they were, I apologize anyway. It certainly is not comparable to inviting Hitler to dinner. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:30:47 -0500 From: "Michael Bird" Subject: winner! silly joni trivia Mark in Seattle, however he may doubt himself, gets it right. Congratulations! Florida is mentioned twice, the most-mentioned state after California. We did count the reference to Florida in "Tax Free" as well as the more melodic mention in "Rainy Night House." [New York did not count, as the references were to New York City, not the state ...] The other five, AZ, CO, ND, TN, and NJ are all referenced by Mark, below. Your Pagliacci summer frock is on its way to Seattle! The other contestants will receive Superman balloons and caterpillar tractors as consolation prizes. Nickel Chief P.S. Other guesses included Maine and Iowa ... not referenced as far as I can tell in Joni's lyrics. Judges? - ---------- >From: "Mark or Travis" >To: "Michael Bird" , >Subject: Re: test your geojoniography trivia acumen >Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2000, 8:56 PM > >> What is the only State in the Union besides California mentioned in > more than one Joni song? >> >> For bonus points, name the other five states (again, besides > California) she names in her lyrics. >> > Arizona, Florida (Rainy Night House), Colorado (My Secret Place), > North Dakota (Song For Sharon), Tennessee (Furry Sings the Blues), New > Jersey (Good Friends) > > That's six! Maybe 'sun goes down in Jersey' isn't supposed to count > as she doesn't say the whole name? > > The only one I can think of mentioned in two songs is Florida if you > count Rod Steiger's mention of it at the end of Tax Free. Otherwise > I've racked my brain & can't come up with the state mentioned in two > Joni songs. > > Mark in Seattle > who didn't peek, honest! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:43:09 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: MP3 FTP site? But they ARE available, that's just the thing. If you search around or ask nicely you will get the recordings either treed or elsewhere. It's much easier to get them on tape or CD. NP-the Olympics At 5:49 PM -0700 9/21/00, Andy Baio wrote: > The way I figure it, they're unavailable (i.e. live > or unreleased) songs. If you don't have a problem > trading bootleg tapes with other people, then you > shouldn't have a problem with this. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:54 -0400 From: Rose in NJ Subject: Article from the globeandmail.com Web Centre - --====969594886==== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This e-mail has been sent to you by Rose in NJ (rosemjoy@aol.com) from the = globeandmail.com Web Centre. Message: I thought you Joniphiles might want to read this article about the= the closing of "Voices" at the Mendel Gallery. The Globe and Mail, Thursday, September 14, 2000 Joni Mitchell, the homecoming queen A summer-long exhibit of the singer's artwork drew devoted followers - an= d record crowds By Sheila Robertson SASKATOON -- The curious and the devoted, art lovers and tourists, local fa= ns and international media have flocked to Saskatoon this summer to take in= an unprecedented art exhibition by a woman whose talents are clearly diver= se. Voices, Joni Mitchell's first retrospective, and first Canadian exhibition,= opened at the Mendel Art Gallery on June 30. Two months later, more than 6= 7,000 people had trooped through the small, riverside museum to see the 85 = works that make up the show. July attendance alone was 36,156 -- an increas= e of 92 per cent over the same month a year earlier. And by the time voices= closes on Sunday, gallery director Gilles H=E9bert expects that total to r= each as high as 80,000. "In a city of 210,000 people," says H=E9bert, "it's= kind of unbelievable." H=E9bert, 45, has every reason to be pleased. A succession of directors at = the gallery had watched the career of Joni Mitchell, who lived in Saskatoon= for much of her youth, and pondered the idea of organizing an exhibition. = But none had brought it to fruition. After a year of discussions and exhilarating, exhausting trips to Los Angel= es to assess, alongside Mitchell, about 600 of the artist's works, H=E9bert= succeeded in mounting a compelling, multifaceted show -- and one that is p= roving to be the gallery's most successful in 36 years. Among the satisfied "customers" have been Gareth Neufeld, a school administ= rator from Winnipeg, and his wife, Elsie Regehr-Neufeld, a social worker. T= hey drove to Saskatoon on a recent weekend to see voices, and visited the g= allery more than once during their stay. High-school sweethearts when Mitch= ell's first albums came out, they have followed her career closely, and dur= ing their nine-hour drive to Saskatoon, says Neufeld, "kind of immersed our= selves in it, playing her CDs in the car." As for the art, Neufeld described it as "a treat to see some of her early s= tuff," referring to felt-pen drawings of such Mitchell contemporaries as Ne= il Young, Judy Collins, Graham Nash and James Taylor. And both he and his w= ife said it was a thrill to see Mitchell's real paintings, rather than the = reproductions that have graced her album covers. Indeed, people have come from much farther than Winnipeg to see voices -- a= nd hear it (tours are augmented by audio tracks from five of Mitchell's CDs= ). Home addresses in the guestbook show visitors arriving from as far as Mo= ntreal and Whitehorse, South Africa and Japan. Along with devoted followers= , several high-profile media outlets also came to call: Newsweek paid a vis= it, as did The New York Times, which last month featured the show in its Li= ving Arts section. But it was clearly the rank-and-file fans that made up the bulk of the audi= ence. When Susan Joe, an optometrist in Sherwood Park, Alta., couldn't conv= ince any of her friends to accompany her, she made the pilgrimage alone. Wh= ile Joe said she wasn't surprised by the calibre of the works, she was wowe= d by the sheer range: abstract paintings, figurative works, self-portraits = and photography. Said Joe: "It looks like she's tried just about everything= ." If fans like Joe were disappointed, it seemed to be only by the paucity of = souvenirs to take home with them. While she snapped up one of the $45 exhib= ition catalogues, Joe noted that there were none of the more kitschy or fun= reminders that usually accompany such exhibits: no fridge magnets, no Clou= ds umbrellas, no Joni address books. Aside from the catalogue, visitors wer= e given the choice of a $10 poster; Random House's 1998 edition of Mitchell= 's poems and lyrics, at $21; and a selection of some of her CDs. The catalogues have presented the only tic in what has otherwise been a tri= umph for the Mendel. In early July, the distributor, Montreal's Lawrence Bo= yle of Art Books Canada, fired off press releases claiming the gallery was = unwilling to supply as many books as it wanted -- and blamed it on pressure= from U.S.-based Random House, which has Mitchell under contract to supply = a not-too-dissimilar book of her works as well as an autobiography. H=E9bert counters that there has been no coercion from Random House, that t= he 63-page catalogue is "not meant to be an art book," and that Art Books h= as received all 1,500 catalogues requested (and remains the distributor unt= il year end). Meanwhile, through the gallery shop and sales on its Web site= , the Mendel has sold more than 1,600 catalogues on its own. That wrinkle aside, H=E9bert is clearly pleased with the show's success. An= d while he says that he always believed there would be "considerable local = interest" in the show, he had "underestimated the amount of national and in= ternational interest." The challenge now will be to capitalize on that succ= ess. "The momentum is going," he says. "We're hoping we can build on this i= n other programming for the future." Given the amount of interest in the show, adds H=E9bert, "It's logical to h= ave a tour of three or four other Canadian art institutions." But he's quic= k to add that nothing has been confirmed. Most museums, he points out, plan= shows one to two years in advance, and would have difficulty "plugging voi= ces into a schedule before next summer." In the meantime, says H=E9bert, "W= e're planning to strike the show, pack it in crates and send it back to Los= Angeles" -- the end of one of Mitchell's most memorable returns to the cit= y she once called home. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------- "Enter for your chance to win a Mercedes-Benz ML320 at Onvia.com, Canada's largest source for small business products, services, news and information. Click to enter now!" http://ads1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/AdletRedirect?redirect=3Dhttps://ww= w.onvia.com/canada/contests/index.cfm?idpromotion=3D5046&outfile=3Donvia_em= ail_text_gam.log - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------- Copyright 2000 | The Globe and Mail Visit the globeandmail.com Web Centre for your competitive edge. 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I urge you all to try and listen. Regards, Stephen in Vancouver NP: Smokey Robinson - Yes It's You Lady- a bit too disco for my current tastes! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:54:30 +0100 From: Nancy Subject: Chicago Concert Hi, I'm new to this list. I have been avidly listening to Joni Mitchell's music since about 1976/1977. The first tape I got was Court and Spark. One of my life goals has been to see Joni in concert, and I was able to attend her concert in Chicago in May (!!) Like some of you, I was disappointed that she didn't bring her guitar with her to the concert. But just being in the same "room" with her was so great! I took my sister-in-law with me to the concert. We were sitting there before it started, and she said, "Doesn't that woman (in our row, but in the next section over) look like Amy Grant?" I looked over and said, "Yes, I think it is her!" All the seats for a row or two in front and behind this woman were unoccupied, which we thought was strange. It makes sense that she would have an interest in seeing Joni, as she recorded "Big Yellow Taxi" on one of her albums. Does anyone know if Amy Grant attended the Chicago concert? - --Nancy/IA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:58:44 +0100 From: Nancy Subject: Tribute to Joni Mitchell--a question for you Hello, I watched the Tribute to Joni Mitchell earlier this year. I am hoping that someone knows who the woman is that played "A Case of You". I would like to hear more of her music. Thanks! Nancy/IA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 02:43:47 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Tribute to Joni Mitchell--a question for you Hi Nancy. Her name is Diana Krall. Now peel me a grape... :-) - -Julius Nancy writes: << Hello, I watched the Tribute to Joni Mitchell earlier this year. I am hoping that someone knows who the woman is that played "A Case of You". I would like to hear more of her music. Thanks! >> ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #374 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?