From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #367 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, September 15 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 367 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Pre-quel to Harry's House [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House [Susan McNamara ] Fwd: Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House [Susan McNamara ] Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Joni and Miles Davis, or not... [B Merrill ] Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House [RoseMJoy@aol.com] relayer at the white house: a plea [Michael Bird ] Re: relayer at the white house: a plea [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: relayer at the white house: a plea [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Pre-quel in Richard's House [B Merrill ] joni-centric diet tips [Michael Bird ] Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Cameron Crowes About Joni on "Charlie Rose" [julius.kalcevich@ac.com] Re: relayer at the white house: a plea [dsk ] Re: Cameron Crowes About Joni on "Charlie Rose" [Susan McNamara ] Re: Joni and Miles Davis, or not... [JRMCo1@aol.com] Was Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House, now I Ching VLJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House ["Mark or Travis" ] The Sea is Full of Sheep Was: Pre-quel to Harry's House [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Pre-quel in Richard's House [MGVal@aol.com] Re: The Sea is Full of Sheep Was: Pre-quel to Harry's House ["Mark or Tr] Man From Mars ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: Man From Mars [dsk ] Re: Man From Mars ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:53:10 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Pre-quel to Harry's House Because of Claudia's terrific performance of Joni's "Conversation" from LOTC, I've been listening to that song while jogging in the morning. And then comes the rest of the CD which has some weird sort of skip that plays through "The Arrangement" twice. Running through that song made me think of something and after I discarded that fact that it wasn't making me think of my living room furniture configuration, I realized that it shoved my mind towards "Harry's House," and its central theme of suburban push and dissatisfaction. From there, I guess I'm a bit interested in the woman's role of the "push." "and your wife, she keeps the keys, she's so pleased to be a part of the arrangement." "...shining as she reeled him in, to tell him what she did today, and just what he could do with Harry's House and Harry's take home pay." Although I haven't thought this one out yet, (I'll have to run through her catalog this week and see), it seems that themes involving women have them either as victims, survivors or celebrants of romantic circumstances, but when it comes to roles in society, I think that the majority of women portrayed seem to be perpetrators of pushing for the "keeping up with the Jone's" sort of material emptiness. Granted, it may only be these two songs, I can't come up with any others. Right now, it's just an early morning thought. MG - lacing up the sneakers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:28:59 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House This song reminds me of a hexagram I read while casting the I Ching. Line 6 of Hexagram 13 Society. It read: He unites with men in the suburbs. The suburbs of a city are a kind of Limbo. Without a common goal, without a common past, with nothing in common but being equally lost and cut off from other men, you have joined with others in similar straits. The line expresses fellowship with those in Limbo. rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:06:30 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House <> Boy, this topic could be a real hotbed for some discussion! Joni's treatment of women/wives in her songs...ironic perhaps that her first song on her first album deals with her own failed marriage, I suppose that sets the tone for the ones to follow... I'm sure I'll have more to say when I get a lyric book in front of me... Bob NP: Tome Petty, "Runnin' Down A Dream" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:12:28 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House Hi Rose: I'm a daily I Ching acolyte! Which book did you get this reading out of? I read the Wilhelm/Baynes translation and Carol Anthony's Guide to the I Ching. My books calls hexagram 13 Fellowship with Men. I enjoy reading how the different interpretations are phrased. cool! Of course, you may already know that Joni, too, is into the I Ching. One of her more beautiful custom made guitars has the I Ching hexagram 56-The Wanderer engraved on it. Mark, can you post the URL for the picture of that guitar again? Thanks, sue >This song reminds me of a hexagram I read while casting the I Ching. Line 6 >of Hexagram 13 Society. It read: He unites with men in the suburbs. The >suburbs of a city are a kind of Limbo. Without a common goal, without a >common past, with nothing in common but being equally lost and cut off from >other men, you have joined with others in similar straits. The line expresses >fellowship with those in Limbo. > >rose in NJ ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:25:11 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Fwd: Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House This is a heavy topic...over the years I found some of Joni's more catty characterizations of women to be superficial and not finding sympathy with what she saw as the "self-imposed prisons." I think there was part of her that feared that lifestyle (I know I feared for years that I would turn out just like my mother, prisoned in a picture perfect house in a levitt development on long island). Now that I look back on it, my mother had a pretty nice life and after her divorce she struggled with dignity. She's my hero now!! who'da thunk it? :-) ><either as victims, survivors or celebrants of romantic circumstances, but >when it comes to roles in society, I think that the majority of women >portrayed seem to be perpetrators of pushing for the "keeping up with the >Jone's" sort of material emptiness. >> > >Boy, this topic could be a real hotbed for some discussion! Joni's >treatment of women/wives in her songs...ironic perhaps that her >first song on her first album deals with her own failed marriage, I >suppose that sets the tone for the ones to follow... ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:36:42 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House (md) In a message dated 9/14/00 6:12:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << either as victims, survivors or celebrants of romantic circumstances, but when it comes to roles in society, I think that the majority of women portrayed seem to be perpetrators of pushing for the "keeping up with the Jone's" sort of material emptiness. >> Boy, this topic could be a real hotbed for some discussion! Joni's treatment of women/wives in her songs...ironic perhaps that her first song on her first album deals with her own failed marriage, I suppose that sets the tone for the ones to follow... >> Ol Marcel isnt touching THIS one with a ten foot pole. In fact Im seeking out an abandoned 60's fallout shelter. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:20:29 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Joni and Miles Davis, or not... Fascinating coupling! Was this before or after Joni's Mingus collaboration? If it was after, you could imagine how it would leave Miles (someone who was conscious of his status) wondering whether the collaboration would be seen as essentially Joni, or essentially Miles. Whether Joni's words would swamp his trumpet, and the outcome appear as essentially a Joni tune, with Miles accompanying...? Neither of them could meet the other on their own ground (whereas Mingus' compositions were closer to songs), so it would be a real puzzle. Too bad they didn't solve it. This sets off other reflections on Joni + Mingus, as well as Miles + Hendrix (which also didn't take off)... but I gotta get back to work... Bruce NP: deer outside my office window, eating applies in the back orchard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:57:48 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House Oh way too cool. I found a fellow I-Chinger. Sam Riefler's translation of the I-ching (A modern interpretation)I had sent Wally a copy of it when he was still with us. It's so much more easier to understand the the ancient wisdom contained therin from the Eastern masters. I gatherered Joni was into this. I pick up on little hints in her lyrics. In Miles of Isles she changes the lyrics to her song Carry. "The sea is full of sheep". Tui the youngest daughter of heaven and earth.Her attribute is the lake. The sheep was her animal. I'll think of others, I'm sure. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:43:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Bird Subject: relayer at the white house: a plea Relayer211@aol.com wrote: >Subject: I'm staying at the Whitehouse! > I'm so excited! I'm going to be staying at the whitehouse in 10 >days.I'm eating Dinner with the President and Mrs Clinton next Friday,then >sleeping over at the White >House.then I'm leaving Saturday morning.I'm really looking foward to this! Chelsea Clinton, in a recent interview, was discussing whether or not she'd follow her parents and move to the New York area. She was discussing the various connections she feels to New York City, and among them was " ... and of course I'm named after a Judy Collins song, Chelsea Morning, which is about a neighborhood in New York ..." Would Relayer, over a dinner of cornfed songbirds (what is a cornfed songbird anyway? Celine Dion?), kindly consider impressing firmly upon the Clinton family that it's a Joni Mitchell song? Clearly they're not getting the message after my extensive "Joni Named Your Daughter" phone-in/write-in/hunger-strike campaign. All due respect to Judy, who is wonderful, but she didn't write the damn song. I would as soon attribute Chelsea Morning to Judy Collins as I would Famous Blue Raincoat to Jennifer Warnes. A bowl of oranges too, Nickel Chief ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:16:58 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: relayer at the white house: a plea In a message dated 9/14/00 11:03:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mbirdny@earthlink.net writes: << Would Relayer, over a dinner of cornfed songbirds (what is a cornfed songbird anyway? Celine Dion?), kindly consider impressing firmly upon the Clinton family that it's a Joni Mitchell song? Clearly they're not getting the message after my extensive "Joni Named Your Daughter" phone-in/write-in/hunger-strike campaign. >> <> That's some hunger strike you're on. Now for a few dieting tips, please! :-) Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:55:22 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: relayer at the white house: a plea In a message dated 9/14/00 10:44:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mbirdny@earthlink.net writes: << Would Relayer, over a dinner of cornfed songbirds (what is a cornfed songbird anyway? Celine Dion?), kindly consider impressing firmly upon the Clinton family that it's a Joni Mitchell song? Clearly they're not getting the message after my extensive "Joni Named Your Daughter" phone-in/write-in/hunger-strike campaign. >> I'm afraid it's probably hopeless.while technically,on a logical level, they DO know it(I've heard each one refer to it as a Joni Mitchell song on tv-Hillary on the Joni tribute special,Bill on a music program on MTV ),in their hearts they think of it as a Judy Collins song.I think that's the way it always shall be... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:29:56 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Pre-quel in Richard's House But it isn't only women who are the victims of degenerating relationships. I don't have Blue in front of me (as I should, I know!), but isn't "Richard" married or "domesticated," and so experiencing the collapse of romance, feeling trapped, etc. I have only 2 things to say about this: 1) In so far as Joni is outside of marriage, or when Joni is outside of marriage and family life, there may be an element of sour grapes to her negative characterizations. 2) But in so far as I am inside a marriage and a family (and committed to both), this is challenging situation. It's not a picnic! Or a dizzy summer romance. (Or did you already know that?) So I'm not about to brush off Joni's grumblings as merely sour grapes. In fact, I just might want to look at marriage from both sides now. - --enough said, Bruce >Although I haven't thought this one out yet, (I'll have to run through her >catalog this week and see), it seems that themes involving women have them >either as victims, survivors or celebrants of romantic circumstances, but >when it comes to roles in society, I think that the majority of women >portrayed seem to be perpetrators of pushing for the "keeping up with the >Jone's" sort of material emptiness. But Nota Bene, Joni's house is bigger than mine! And yours too, I'll wager. She ain't living in no funky Canadian prairie bungalow, and she's got lace along her seams. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:04:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Bird Subject: joni-centric diet tips <> <> Oh I'm done with the hunger strike. I started eating again when I realized there was no point getting through to those rascally Clintons. I'm a pretty good cook, I wound up fixing dinner for them and Boston Jim (salty soup and Rhine wine). I make good omelettes and stews, I bought a bag of peaches and a bowl of oranges too, and I eat muffin buns and berries by the steamy kitchen window. Though the frying pan's too wide, my mind's on eggs over easy, Winn-Dixie cold cuts, and fresh salmon frying. Hunger is human and humans are hungry for sour grapes and cheeses. I may bake some brownies today, and sip my tea and lemonade. Come to the dinner gong at Sweetie's Snack Bar, the cook's got a carnival song. Diet tip of the day: stare a hole in your scrambled eggs. Draw yourself a bath, think what you'd like to have for supper. How about three oranges, three lemons, three cherries, three plums, and a cheap pink rose? (Don't drink it, man.) Gotta go -- ice cream is melting on a piece of pie. Nickel Chief ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:56:38 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House That would be: http://216.247.66.89/guitar/faq.cfm If anyone would like to send me this guitar, go right ahead! :D NP-Joni, in so long-Paprika Plains At 9:12 AM -0400 9/14/00, Susan McNamara wrote: >Mark, can you post the URL for the picture of that guitar again? - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:17:59 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House I've always taken it to be the fact that in Greece, being on a small island like Matala, you'd wash your sheep in the sea, rather than construct a proper dip! Anyone? Anyone?+ Jamie Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: 14 September 2000 14:57 Subject: Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House Oh way too cool. I found a fellow I-Chinger. Sam Riefler's translation of the I-ching (A modern interpretation)I had sent Wally a copy of it when he was still with us. It's so much more easier to understand the the ancient wisdom contained therin from the Eastern masters. I gatherered Joni was into this. I pick up on little hints in her lyrics. In Miles of Isles she changes the lyrics to her song Carry. "The sea is full of sheep". Tui the youngest daughter of heaven and earth.Her attribute is the lake. The sheep was her animal. I'll think of others, I'm sure. Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:11:49 -0400 From: julius.kalcevich@ac.com Subject: Re: Cameron Crowes About Joni on "Charlie Rose" >> Did anyone else see Charlie Rose's interview with Cameron Crowe, director of the new "Almost Famous" movie, on PBS? Man, Crowe is a huge Joni Mitchell fan! He was quoting her lyrics >> I saw the gala debut of this film at the Toronto Film Festival last Friday...the majority of the stars were at the premiere. Frances McDormand, Billy Crudup, Patrick Fugit, Kate Hudson as well her boyfriend (who is supposedly some rock persona) and Cameron Crowe & Nancy Wilson. CC spoke briefly as he announced the film. The emcee said that Crowe has had the kind of career that every young writer dreams of...(i.e. writing for Rolling Stone while still quite young.) The film was very funny, and the audience gave a standing ovation at the end; As to the Joni content in the film...(I hope no one minds a sneak preview...I am not giving anything away.) 1. At one point, the main character is flipping through his sister's favourite albums...amongst the stack are many classics (Rolling Stones, Doors etc)...perhaps ten are shown, BLUE being one of them. The album cover looks so poignant and stark compared with some of the others which seem rather dated. 2. "River" is prominently played during an important conversation. As well, there is a cameo appearance of Jann Wenner (editor of RS) at the end...I think that he is the one sitting in the taxi that Patrick Fugit peers into towards the end of the movie. I looked for his name in the credits, but couldn't see it, but I am sure it was him. I highly recommend the movie- Julius K (in Toronto) P.S. I think that it is wildly coincidental that I am posting this in reply to a post written by another "Julius" To quote Joni wrote in Mingus's liner notes, "these are the coincidences that thrill my imagination." - ------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Cameron Crowes About Joni on "Charlie Rose" Did anyone else see Charlie Rose's interview with Cameron Crowe, director of the new "Almost Famous" movie, on PBS? Man, Crowe is a huge Joni Mitchell fan! He was quoting her lyrics (He said that Shirley McClain reminds him of Joni's lyric "Laughing and crying, you know it's the same release") And talking to Rose at length about Joni's influence on him from when he was writing for Rolling Stone forward. Crowe is married to Nancy Wilson of "Heart," by the way. Plus, I read that Kate Hudson, Goldie Hawn's daughter who plays Penny Lane in the film, listened to Joni ever morning of filming to get into character. We already know Goldie is a big Joni fan, based on her filmed comments that proceeded the TNT Joni tribute. Cameron Crowe and "Almost Famous" were the cover stories for last Sunday's "Datebook" entertainment section of the San Francisco Chronicle, too. An article therein talks about photographer Joel Bernstein, who was apparently a constant companion to Crowe when he was writing for RS. To quote: "Bernstein got his start as Joni Mitchell's photographer when he was still in high school and she was an unknown Los Angeles folkie." Joel, 48, has been Neil Young's photographer and archivist for some time now, according to the article. Of particular interest to me was part of the interview was Crowe that talked about one of his earlier films "Jerry Maguire." Many of you scoffed when I suggested that a line in that movie ("You complete me") might've been inspired by Joni's lyric. Well, now I'm certain it was! Ha! I'm looking forward to seeing this movie. Thanks for the early report from the premiere, by the way, whoever the kind soul who posted it is. "Almost Famous" opens nationwide on September 29. - - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:59:49 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: relayer at the white house: a plea Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > ....they DO know it (I've heard each one refer to it as a Joni Mitchell > song on tv-Hillary on the Joni tribute special,Bill on a music program on MTV > ),in their hearts they think of it as a Judy Collins song.I think that's the > way it always shall be... Very good point, since music hits the heart and not the logical part of us. So, yes, I agree with you. They'll always consider it Judy's song because that's the version they emotionally connected to. Have a great time at the White House! That's very exciting. Maybe they'll show the new Cameron Crowe film. That would be fun seeing it there. Certainly an evening to remember. Please tell us all about it, as soon as you recover :-) Debra Shea NP: Richard Thompson, Persuasion, singing with his son, very sweet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:10:43 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Cameron Crowes About Joni on "Charlie Rose" A couple of months ago some JoniGuy named Bob sent me Nancy Wilson's Live at McCabe's. My life has not been the same since. If my life depends on it I must play "Even it Up" just like Nancy does before I die. The last time something like this happened to me I started a web site. That woman beats on a guitar, baby. Her version of A Case of You is pretty damn good, too. I'm sure Cameron was always a Joni devotee but by marrying Nancy he doubled his Joni stock. She and her marvelous sister Ann have always venerated the SIQUOMB. Sue >I saw the gala debut of this film at the Toronto Film Festival last >Friday...the majority of the stars were at the premiere. Frances >McDormand, Billy Crudup, Patrick Fugit, Kate Hudson as well her boyfriend >(who is supposedly some rock persona) and Cameron Crowe & Nancy Wilson. ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:25:17 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: Joni and Miles Davis, or not... All this talk 'bout Miles.... I agree it would have been an incredible meeting of the minds, if they could have pulled it off! Miles ego and all. I used to live in Toronto, till 11 years ago. While still in my mid 20's, Ms. Mitchell was in town, participating in a film- title escapes me, and to my knowledge, never released- 4 segments, about love, each directed by a different woman. Ms. M was a part of the film directed by Mai Zetterling, a Scandanavian actress since passed. My best friend and I heard about this on the radio, when FM still had some decent commentary, and we rushed down to Lakeshore Studios. Miraculously, we were able to sneak onto the set. We were there for hours, it seems, and the only scene we saw being filmed was at a masquerade ball- Ms. Mitchell dressed in a tailored man's suit, charcoal grey, w/tie, and in black face. The music was a very smoky Miles song- Kind of Blue era. Each time a break was called, she came to the back, where we were hiding out, undetected, and of course, lit up a smoke. Standing 3 feet in front of me, and I was far too intimidated to approach her!!!! The memory is still one I cherish with great pleasure. Stephen in Vancouver NP: Rickie Lee Jones- "it's like this" great new release B Merrill on 09/14/2000 05:20:29 AM Please respond to B Merrill To: "Patrick Willoughby" , "joni" cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) Subject: Re: Joni and Miles Davis, or not... Fascinating coupling! Was this before or after Joni's Mingus collaboration? If it was after, you could imagine how it would leave Miles (someone who was conscious of his status) wondering whether the collaboration would be seen as essentially Joni, or essentially Miles. Whether Joni's words would swamp his trumpet, and the outcome appear as essentially a Joni tune, with Miles accompanying...? Neither of them could meet the other on their own ground (whereas Mingus' compositions were closer to songs), so it would be a real puzzle. Too bad they didn't solve it. This sets off other reflections on Joni + Mingus, as well as Miles + Hendrix (which also didn't take off)... but I gotta get back to work... Bruce NP: deer outside my office window, eating applies in the back orchard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:29:44 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: relayer at the white house: a plea <> Yes, be sure and 'relayer' all the information! Bob NP: Liz Phair, "Canary" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:34:42 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Movie Stephen in Vancouver wrote: >My best friend and I heard about this on the radio, when FM >still had some decent commentary, and we rushed down >to Lakeshore Studios. Miraculously, we were able to sneak >onto the set. We were there for hours, it seems, and the only >scene we saw being filmed was at a masquerade ball- Ms. >Mitchell dressed in a tailored man's suit, charcoal grey, >w/tie, and in black face. The music was a very smoky Miles > song- Kind of Blue era. Wow, that is really cool you were there. Thie movie was released but I think it may have gone "straight to cable". A very generous listmember sent me a copy of it last year and it is interestingly quirky. Joni dresses up as the character from the cover of DJRD, whom she has referred to as "Art Noueau" in interviews. She goes to a Halloween costume party where everyone is like disco dancing to some vapid music. She sneaks over to the record player and shuts it off and then starts up her little boom box with the Miles music and starts showing them all how to dance. Then she meets up with a recently ex-boyfriend and they talk about the change in their relationship and his new girlfriend. At the end it shows her alone with her thoughts except for a little weasly-like photographer who keeps getting in her face to document her every move and who appears to have his own little obsessed crush on her. The other short stories in the movie are fairly odd and I did not watch them through. However, the opening and closing credits of the movie features Joni's song "Love" from WTRF and it sounds really beautiful. Kakki NP: Gram Parsons and Emmylou Harris - Return of the Grevious Angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:33:40 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Miles Davis, or not... Stephen E. writes: << Miraculously, we were able to sneak onto the set. We were there for hours, it seems, and the only scene we saw being filmed was at a masquerade ball- Ms. Mitchell dressed in a tailored man's suit, charcoal grey, w/tie, and in black face. The music was a very smoky Miles song- Kind of Blue era. >> Thanks for sharing this wonderful memory, Stephen. I pulled the following off of Wally/Jim's JoniMitchell.com: <> I hope you will forgive me for being a bit technical here with regard to your use of the term "black face." I'm sure you don't mean any offense, but the term is defined as "Makeup for a conventionalized comic travesty of black people, esp. in a minstrel show." Quite deragatory. I'm quite certain Joni didn't aspire to that end. She was using make-up to create a persona, much like a white actor might use make-up to play Shakespeare's Othello the Moor. Joni's character is not a "black face" comic travesty by any means, in my view. Indeed, she chose the portrayal in an, admittedly eclectic, homage to one of her musical idols who happened to be Black. Miles Davis, that is. There is a picture of Joni's Art Nouveau character at http://www.jonimitchell.com/ArtNouveau76.html As you can see, Joni dons all over makeup, not a mask-like, white-lipped visage common to black face minstrelsy. Just had to get that off my chest. Thanks for the ancedote though. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:24:47 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Was Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House, now I Ching VLJC Sue, Sorry, but I misspelt the name of the author. I was at work and trying to hurry before I got snagged goofing off. The correct spelling is Sam Reifler. I Ching, A New Interpretation for Modern Times. It's interesting how the names of the hexagrams are slightly different. I'm familiar with Wilhelm's interpretation as it was the first one that I ever owned. What's really interesting about Reifler's book is that he divides the interpretations of each hexagram into three sections, making liberal use of the names of the three Hindu principles: artha, kama and moksha. I highly recommend it. I hardly ever pick up Wilhelm's book anymore. You'd be interested to know that Reifler names hexagram 56 " The Stranger" The kama section reads : "Perhaps you are a sexual nomad. perhaps you wander in and out of relationships, using them and the people involved to give your life meaning. if friend is similarly inclined, then you will have a short, happy relationship; if Friend has a deep-set affection for you, then it will be a short unhappy relationship. If Friend is a friend, friend is bound to be hurt. As for yourself, strangers do not get hurt, they only come and go. be careful to be honest with friend: do not invent emotions you do not feel. If you accept your wanderlust without shame and fear, it will reveal itself naturally in your relationship; Friend, knowing what to expect, even if eventually disappointed, will not be disillusioned." It goes on and on, but I just wanted to give you an example of his modern interpretation of this hexagram. I wonder if Joni related this hexagram to her own relationships. Anybody care to comment? Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:58:17 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Pre-quel to Harry's House > I've always taken it to be the fact that in Greece, being on a small island > like Matala, you'd wash your sheep in the sea, rather than construct a > proper dip! Anyone? Anyone?+ > Jamie Zoob She can't sleep. An old cliché remedy for insomnia is counting sheep (in your head I guess). It isn't working. Finally she counts so many that the sea outside her window is full of them. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:31:40 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: The Sea is Full of Sheep Was: Pre-quel to Harry's House View one: << > like Matala, you'd wash your sheep in the sea, rather than construct a > proper dip! Anyone? Anyone?+ View from Mark: >> She can't sleep. An old cliché remedy for insomnia is counting sheep (in your head I guess). It isn't working. Finally she counts so many that the sea outside her window is full of them. >> Another View: Having spent the summer failing to learn how to water ski, (and attempting it again tomorrow after work), I think that another take on the lyrics could be choppy water with little whitecaps. From the shore, it can look like sheep. MG - trying to remember: keep knees bent, pull back, make sure bikini top is securely fastened..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:46:43 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Pre-quel in Richard's House Bruce writes: << But it isn't only women who are the victims of degenerating relationships. I don't have Blue in front of me (as I should, I know!), but isn't "Richard" married or "domesticated," and so experiencing the collapse of romance, feeling trapped, etc. I'm thinking not so much that she portrays women as victims of degenerating relationships, but that, when writing about the materialism of suburbia, Joni tends to portray the female as the one driving the male to "success." Even if the male in the song is pulling back, (ie: Harry with his drifting off in the memory of the way she looked in school...."), it's the woman who comes across as shrill and shallow: "Yellow checkers for the kitchen, climbing ivy for the bath..." In between kid runs today, (soccer! choir! library!), I thumbed through the Complete Lyrics and think that I'm onto a pattern with this thought. There's "Conversation" with "she only takes him out to show her friends." There's "Judgment of the Moon and Stars" with: "and the women that you wanted, they get their laughs. Long silk stockings on the bedposts of refinement..." There's "Love or Money" with "and she teased him for the moon." I'm not saying this is the ONLY way that she portrays women, mind you. I think that Bruce makes some interesting points about marriage, but again, I don't think that it is the legal relationship per se, that I feel I'm seeing bestowed with the women as keeping the man from becoming more "free," and the man as just a confused dude caught up with trying to please everyone and ends up pleasing no one. It is the ROLE of marriage has when it comes to fulfilling our material desires and our individual spiritual growth. That's where I think I see a "typical" Joni portrayal of men and women. I think. MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:16:46 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The Sea is Full of Sheep Was: Pre-quel to Harry's House > MG - trying to remember: keep knees bent, pull back, make sure bikini top is > securely fastened..... > > By all means keep that bikini top fastened, girl! We don't anybody seeing the breakin' and the breathin' of your water wings! Mark in Seattle '...down where the water skiers gli-i-iiiiiiii-i-i-i-iiiii-ii-ii-ii-ii-ii-ii-iide......' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:52:09 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Man From Mars Does anyone know of a soundtrack "Grace of the Heart"? It seems that Ms. Mitchell does a demo of "Man From Mars"- from Taming the Tiger on it? I haven't heard the soundtrack and was just wondering? regards, Stephen in Vancouver NP: Elvis Costello- "The Juliet Letters" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 01:08:14 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Man From Mars Hi Stephen, Joni's husband at the time, Larry Klein, was the music director for that movie and he asked her to write a song that sounded similar to the ones on FTR, which meant using the piano. It was very hard for her to settle down and do. One of her beloved cats, named Man from Mars, had run away and Joni was distraught. She managed to write the song and on the day it was finished the cat returned (after being gone for several weeks). It is a beautiful song, about any heart-wrenching loss, and goes way beyond mere melancholy. If you've seen a cd with Joni doing the singing, I'd say grab it up. The soundtrack was first released with her singing, but those versions were recalled and new cds released with the actress in the movie doing the singing. There may still be some of those original ones around though. Debra Shea P.S. Of course, I may have this story all twisted up. Corrections and additions, please, if needed. NP: in my head, Santana on the tonight show. He is too cool. Love that latin rhythm. Stephen Epstein wrote: > Does anyone know of a soundtrack "Grace of the Heart"? It seems that Ms. > Mitchell does a demo of "Man From Mars"- from Taming the Tiger on it? I > haven't heard the soundtrack and was just wondering? > > regards, > > Stephen in Vancouver > > NP: Elvis Costello- "The Juliet Letters" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:08:13 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Man From Mars Debra and Stephen - You can often find the rare "Grace Of My Heart" soundtrack CD with Joni's piano version of Man From Mars for sale on eBay. They usualy go for around $20.00. It's worth it. Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #367 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?