From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #354 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, September 2 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 354 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Opening Line... ["Ross, Les" ] Favourite Joni Songs to sing (to one's self) ["Ross, Les" ] Re: hitler and jesus [m.harmssen@t-online.de (m.harmssen)] joni from eonline [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: John Kelly [Jerry Notaro ] collaboration w/ JONI [m.harmssen@t-online.de (m.harmssen)] Re: Dark Secrets (vljc) [Don Rowe ] Re: A new idea & a new question 1/2 JC [Don Rowe ] Re: collaboration w/ JONI [Don Rowe ] Re: A new idea & a new question 1/2 JC [peves@marlboro.edu] Re: A new idea & a new question 1/2 JC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: stream of consciousness joni lyric exercise [peves@marlboro.edu] Best second line ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] re: just an idea [Matthew Snyder ] Re: collaboration w/ JONI and Dark Secrets [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] Re: collaboration w/ JONI and Dark Secrets [Don Rowe ] favorite first lines ["Michael Bird" ] Re: stream of consciousness joni lyric exercise [Slac ] Re: Hejira, You're da greatest baby!!! [dsk ] Re: Dark Secrets VLJC [Slac ] Re: the record thread [Cindy09876@aol.com] Re: Dark Secrets VLJC [dsk ] fest blues [Siresorrow@aol.com] Dark Secrets ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Dark Secrets VLJC [catman ] Re: Kakki's dark secrets [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Dark Secrets VLJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Fave opening lines [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #479 [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Hejira, You're da greatest baby!!! [Richard Rice ] Re: Dark Secrets VLJC ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: Dark Secrets VLJC [Slac ] Fest News [AsharaJM@aol.com] Buying a Joni or two [dsk ] dinner for eight and more ["Patrick Willoughby" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:01:04 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Opening Line... Hi Although it is not a CD I listen to a lot, from Mingus I love the opening line.. 'Of the Darkness in men's minds, what can you say, that wasn't marked by history or the TV news today....' A bit widescreen, perhaps, but it gets me to 'the place'. Strangely enough, this is the song I sing out loud in the street when I'm walking home after a might on the beers! Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:07:52 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Favourite Joni Songs to sing (to one's self) This recent thread is a charmer.. One of her songs that I find adapts well to different takes for me, as I plink plonk along with my beat up guitar, is Case of You. A really simple song to play, it lends itself well to changes of time signature, blues takes, jazz takes and so on. Not too sure that my renditions would bear listening to by a third party, however! :-) Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:23:39 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: John Kelly I feel a little funny explaining about John Kelly's art since he is a listmember (and still reads it) (Hi John ;-). I told him last night he needs his own website and he agreed and said that one is in the works. There are a number of mentions of him and stories in the articles on the JMDL website. I tried to find some tonight but the JMDL was not accessible to me for some reason (Les, did you close for the Labor Day weekend while you're at Ashara's or are you just making more room for Fest photos coming in? ;-) Anyway, this is from an imperfect memory - John has done a show called Paved Paradise since 1984. It is a high tribute to Joni and many people, including Joni herself have marveled at how much he seems to become her in the show. He is a musician and also has a gorgeous voice and has learned her songs impeccably, even the unique vocal phrasing and some of the wailing, too. On Joni's birthday a few years ago in New York, Donald and her friends took her to see John's show. Joni went absolutely wild for it and met him afterward and gave him a dulcimer (which he learned and now plays in the show). He performed at the Joni's Jazz tribute in Central Park in July 1999 and joined the party afterward with Joni, Chaka, et al. He also performed at a party for Joni after the TNT Joni Tribute this year. He has met a few of the jimdles, including Patrick in New York and Marian in Vienna. Everyone who has seen the shows raves about it. Hopefully more of us will have that chance! Besides his professional accomplishments, he is just a really neat person and I think it is fantastic that he is one of the group here. As usual, I'm not packed yet to go to Jonifest - always dawdling! Have a great weekend everyone. Off on my little hejira, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:45:44 +0200 From: m.harmssen@t-online.de (m.harmssen) Subject: Re: hitler and jesus Wally Kairuz wrote: > paul, you're just trying to win the sympathy you will never deserve by > sounding off like you have a heart or a brain. hitler at least was > consistent. > wallyk > > > Sorry, but when the topic turns to Adolf Hitler, there is no room for > humor, > > and anyone who thinks so is an insensitive fool or an idiot. > > So don't try to laugh it off as a joke. It's not and never can be. > > And I can think of 6 million reasons. > > > > Paul I > > > the German comment: Joni tried to really express how desperately she was trying to get this guy into talking to her about whatever, the despair growing to the extent that she even considered Hitler to be a possible topic, as well as Bergman's nordic blues or Chaplin, H.Hughes - I don't think there's more to that - the single, uncompared warrant of peace in Europe after 1945 bearing 6 million proofs of something that has met several terms for communication but is still and will be something that truly has no words to describe it, was most likely a dimension Joni didn't have in mind coming up with the name.............. michael in frankfurt m.harmssen@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:11:32 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: joni from eonline This was in yesterday's Ted Casablanca's gossip column "The Awful Truth" on the E! Online site: Joni Mitchell, dropping some bills at Brentwood Village, celebrity emporium on the west side of Hell-Ay. The Ah-Nulds may come and go in this star enclave, but it is only a musical genius like Mitchell who makes me want to halt, watch and listen. Because the performing (and writing) legend indeed sings as she shops. Joint called Versailles. Sorry, Liz and Whitney may do it for the diva-fix, but Joni does it for everything else that does and does not matter, particularly when it comes to "acid, booze and ass," as Ms. Mitch likes to put it. Talk about a crooning chronicler who was ahead of her time. I'm simply blue with envy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 08:55:37 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: John Kelly Kakki wrote: > > > As usual, I'm not packed yet to go to Jonifest - always dawdling! Have a > great weekend everyone. > > Off on my little hejira, Kakki Pack the bug repellent, and have a great time everyone. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:55:51 +0200 From: m.harmssen@t-online.de (m.harmssen) Subject: collaboration w/ JONI Name 4 ( possibly of your favourite) well-known contemporary musicians who you consider "appropriate" for a collaboration with JONI mine are: 1 Bruce Hornsby 2 Quincy Jones 3 The Corrs 4 Carlinhos Brown or Milton Nascimento ( both mega-stars in Brasil ) well, I won't be surprised.......... michael m.harmssen@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 06:55:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Dark Secrets (vljc) - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > > > > > > 4) I failed a 7th grade science test on > principle. My 3rd grade teacher, Ms. Brooks, had a rather quaint way of assigning homework. She would always say, "Wouldn't it be nice if someone did ..." then whatever the assignment was. So of course, young Don takes her at her word, and agrees that it would be nice, but felt not a bit of responsibility to do the assignments himself. You should have seen the look on my Mom's face when she found out ... Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 07:09:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: A new idea & a new question 1/2 JC Hmmm ... for opening lines, it's kinda hard to beat: "Kiss my ass I said ..." ;-) Okay, okay I'll try to slip into something more serious here. One of my favorites is, of course, from Hejira: "A strange boy is weaving a course of grace and havoc" That's probably two lines as well -- don't have the Inner Circle Consecrated Joni Mitchell Lyrical Compendium at my fingertips at the moment. Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 07:29:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: collaboration w/ JONI - --- "m.harmssen" wrote: > Name > 4 ( possibly of your favourite) well-known > contemporary musicians who you > consider "appropriate" for a collaboration with JONI > 1. Richard Thompson 2. James Taylor 3. Mary Chapin Carpenter 4. Al Jarreau Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:39:36 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: A new idea & a new question 1/2 JC My favorite first line is a toss up between "I heard it in the wind last night" and "Through the windless wells of wonder by the throbbing light machine." Peg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:53:16 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: A new idea & a new question 1/2 JC In a message dated 9/1/00 10:50:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, peves@marlboro.edu writes: << My favorite first line is >> "Everything comes and goes, marked by lovers and styles of clothes." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:53:13 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: RE: stream of consciousness joni lyric exercise Susan: . . .I've lived my whole life in clouds and vapor trails . . . Peg: on a yellow skateboard. Now I am surf rising, scales to feathers. I've known heartbreakers but you lay down the highway . . . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:07:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Best second line And you stood out like a ruby in a black man's ear Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:04:44 -0400 From: Matthew Snyder Subject: re: just an idea > >Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:50:08 -0400 >From: "Stephen Epstein" >Subject: just an idea > >If there is any doubt about Ms. Mitchell's credentials as a jazz artist, I >suggest we all listen to "Conversation" again. In the midst of primarily a >folk album, even this song, with that ever so sweet voice, becomes a jazz >song by the end- perhaps a glimpse of what was to come. Remember, this was >1967!!! I disagree. Just because it contains a baritone sax solo doesn't make it jazz. It's a good groove, and the sax is improvising over it, and it's broad-minded of Joni to have put it in and it sounds cool......but she really didn't start producing jazz-oriented work until years later, although her broad harmonic concept was already in place by LOTC. And wasn't LOTC recorded in 1970? >Here's a thought- if it already hasn't been discussed- artists/musicians we >would like to hear Ms. Mitchell collaborate with- > >In the absence of Jaco, I nominate Charlie Haden- his work w/Pat Metheny is >subline-"under the Misssouri Sky". Haden would be most excellent with Joni, but only if she reverts to playing an acoustic guitar. I find the "acoustic" sound of the VG8 very annoying. It sounds ok live, but in the studio she has all day to tune an acoustic. Abercrombie I have a hard time imagining with Joni. He's extrememly versatile, but I don't see a common ground there. The guy who would be PERFECT PERFECT for Joni would be Abrecrombie's occasional collaborator, guitarist/composer/pianist Ralph Towner. In fact, they should really compose together, not just perform together. That would be a true meeting of geniuses. Matt Snyder msnyder@dragonfire.net http://msnyder.dragonfire.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:08:25 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Re: collaboration w/ JONI and Dark Secrets Hello To All: My Four Collaborators: 1. Julia Fordham (In a work simply called - Angst) 2. Bob James and Larry Carlton and Rick Braun w/ JM (a new FourPlay) 3. Linda Ronstadt 4. Ray Charles My Dark Secrets 1. I have dressed in drag three times: The first time in 6th grade for a church Halloween party (my parents should have been nervous, but weren't), the second about twenty years ago - Big Top Bejewelia - as which I was wearing black and white striped Speedos and a lot of cheap jewelry over a tutu and not much else. Finally as a Sheisedo line girl about ten Halloweens back. 2. I have been told to never do drag again. 3. I was a Romper Room child. 4. I have a huge crush on Phyllis Diller, have a huge collection of her memorabilia, and have seen her perform live more than any one else. 5. I didn't know who John Kelly was until today (sorry, John) and was afraid to admit it to Kakki. 6. I regularly correspond with James Stacy. 7. I generally don't like Broadway musicals (the kiss of death for a gay man). and 8. I once had a sex dream about Johnny Carson and me. No regrets (well, maybe a few - like #8), Coyote (Rick) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:39:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: collaboration w/ JONI and Dark Secrets - --- AngelinoCoyote@aol.com wrote: > Hello To All: > > My Four Collaborators: > > 1. Julia Fordham (In a work simply called - Angst) Absolutely, positively! Larry can even produce, seeing as he's familiar with both JM and JF! Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:39:13 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: re: just an idea Couldn't agree more on Ralph Towner- it would be an excellent pairing Matthew Snyder on 09/01/2000 08:04:44 AM Please respond to Matthew Snyder To: joni@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) Subject: re: just an idea > >Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:50:08 -0400 >From: "Stephen Epstein" >Subject: just an idea > >If there is any doubt about Ms. Mitchell's credentials as a jazz artist, I >suggest we all listen to "Conversation" again. In the midst of primarily a >folk album, even this song, with that ever so sweet voice, becomes a jazz >song by the end- perhaps a glimpse of what was to come. Remember, this was >1967!!! I disagree. Just because it contains a baritone sax solo doesn't make it jazz. It's a good groove, and the sax is improvising over it, and it's broad-minded of Joni to have put it in and it sounds cool......but she really didn't start producing jazz-oriented work until years later, although her broad harmonic concept was already in place by LOTC. And wasn't LOTC recorded in 1970? >Here's a thought- if it already hasn't been discussed- artists/musicians we >would like to hear Ms. Mitchell collaborate with- > >In the absence of Jaco, I nominate Charlie Haden- his work w/Pat Metheny is >subline-"under the Misssouri Sky". Haden would be most excellent with Joni, but only if she reverts to playing an acoustic guitar. I find the "acoustic" sound of the VG8 very annoying. It sounds ok live, but in the studio she has all day to tune an acoustic. Abercrombie I have a hard time imagining with Joni. He's extrememly versatile, but I don't see a common ground there. The guy who would be PERFECT PERFECT for Joni would be Abrecrombie's occasional collaborator, guitarist/composer/pianist Ralph Towner. In fact, they should really compose together, not just perform together. That would be a true meeting of geniuses. Matt Snyder msnyder@dragonfire.net http://msnyder.dragonfire.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:26:17 -0500 From: "Michael Bird" Subject: favorite first lines Perhaps debatable as technically a "first line," but it sure feels/sounds/acts like a new beginning, an opening, the start of a new cycle ... " ... the rain retreats ... " Nickel Chief ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:26:19 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: stream of consciousness joni lyric exercise > Peg: > > on a yellow skateboard. Now I am surf rising, scales to feathers. I've > known heartbreakers but you lay down the highway . . . Susan: skin to skin step right in this baggage overload it's harlem in havanna time - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) HARLEY PARKING ONLY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:09:29 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: collaboration w/ JONI and Dark Secrets At 11:08 AM 9/1/00 EDT, AngelinoCoyote@aol.com wrote: >5. I didn't know who John Kelly was until today (sorry, John) and was afraid >to admit it to Kakki. Rick, My introduction to John Kelly was when Bill Flanagan and Vanity Fair did an extensive article on Joni in their June 1997 issue. It can be found on Les' site: Here is the section that got to me. John Kelly was performing at a New York Cub, The Fez, and Joan was in the audience: "It is difficult to explain the weirdness of watching a roomful of flipped-out fans twist themselves into whiplash watching Joni Mitchell sit in a small club watching a man dressed as Joni Mitchell perform her songs in character. John Kelly's only request when he heard Mitchell was coming was that she sit where he could not see her. So she stuck to a back booth and blew the damn candle out. He appeared onstage to great applause, a tall man in a flowered hippie dress, beret, and bad blond wig, tossing his hair back and prattling on in oh-wow free association, while a pianist dressed as Georgia O'Keeffe tickled the ivories behind him and a string player done up as Vincent van Gogh strummed. When Kelly sang Mitchell's early songs, he affected an earsplitting falsetto. He crooned "We go round and round and round in the circle game" to a rubber chicken rotating on a turntable. When I summoned the courage to glance at the subject of the impersonation, I was relieved to find her laughing, clapping, and having a great time. I relaxed a little. "He's so sweet," she said. And somehow, as the show went along, the proceedings became quite moving. The audience was shouting at Kelly, "We love you, Joni!" and singing along with all the songs. And Mitchell started quietly singing along. And more people shouted, "We love you, Joni," turning as they yelled from the stage to her booth. And quiet Don Freed shouted at the top of his lungs, "I love you, Joni!" And Joni Mitchell was overwhelmed by genuine accolades she could not doubt or question. And as this grace was breaking across the audience, Kelly's performance deepened. He sang the songs with the unmistakable devotion of someone who had spent hours alone in the dark living inside those records. By the time he sang "Shadows and Light" there was no artifice at all—he sang a powerful song with beauty and strength. And when it ended, Mitchell herself led the ovation, shouting "Bravo!" with tears in her eyes." - --Bill Flanagan, Vanity Fair, June 1977 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:38:15 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Hejira, You're da greatest baby!!! John, not Richard Rice, wrote: > Without a shred of doubt, > Hejira is Joni's masterpiece. Yes, it is! And I have no doubt about it either. And saying it's her greatest doesn't at all mean she's stuck in time or that her other work isn't brilliant also or that it's my favorite (that's NRH, which has masterpiece moments but doesn't hold together the way Hejira does). Yesterday I finally had time to listen to Hejira again without distraction because I wondered what made it her masterpiece and to see if the way I remember it making me feel still held true. It did. Joni literally takes us on an emotional journey with her, and only by listening to every song in the order she presents them is that journey completed. The trip she describes is one we all have to take over and over, and not only in connection with romance, but whenever there's been trust and love given, deception, betrayal, hurt, disappointment, change and acceptance. Usually the journey is only emotional and internal. In varying degrees, such emotions happen in every relationship, even business ones. There's always a need to readjust emotionally. So to me Hejira describes redemption and by the end the feeling is very positive. Not happy, but very hopeful. And once a person has hope there's a chance for happiness. After listening to the whole cd, I always feel like no matter what I've been through, things will be ok. It's like Joni is a masterful psychologist with this one. After the loss of trust and love, she puts in all the steps a person has to go through to get to that "it will be ok" place again, from the self-centered callousness of "rolling right past that tragedy" to beginning to honestly look at herself and her imperfections and responsibility for things that have happened in Amelia to being distracted from the pain by music in Furry or sex in A Strange Boy to being able to look at herself again and start reconnecting with people ("I see something of myself in everyone") and begin healing whatever had caused such pain, and after a little of that there's some needed distance from the pain while she thinks about her life in Song for Sharon and what does she really want?, what did she expect?, what compromises did she make?, are they acceptable?, which leads to an acceptance of herself in Black Crow, and once she can accept herself, an acceptance of whoever she left and a willingness to at least give the changed relationship a try. And then the opening guitar sounds of Refuge are so soothing and complete, and she sums up her entire journey, and accepts the imperfections of herself and everyone else and recognizes the limitations of life. She also recognizes the redemptive quality of art with the "clouds of Michaelangelo", which always makes me think of the Sistine Chapel and that puts a very spiritual twist onto her whole journey. Brilliant, truly brilliant, the entire piece. And even though each song can be performed separately, of course, there's a power to the whole work that is unlike any other cd she's done. And then I forget all of this thinking about it and just listen and am transported to wholeness and hopefulness again. So that's why I so wholeheartedly agree with John that Hejira is Joni's masterpiece. And I agree with Michael Paz also who said it's because her stories are more universal rather than having to do with the music business. It's true. The journey she takes is one we all have to take many many times no matter what our personal circumstances might be. Oh, and the instrumentation sounds wonderfully rich and full to me. Yesterday I heard a xylophone in Amelia for the first time. Who knew? :-) Debra Shea "Heart and humor and humility," he said, "will lighten up your heavy load." How true. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:28:42 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: Dark Secrets VLJC Debra wrote: > But Azeem didn't offer forgiveness for those deep dark secrets, only > curiosity about them. He must be flexing those therapist-in-training > muscles :-) Oh no! That's worse ;~) > 2. I'm sure that Gabriel Byrne is the sexiest man alive. Who is Gabriel Byrne? > I have an excellent library with too many unopened > books in it. Where's the time? Yeah, really! I used to read alot but there's more to life ;~D > Can't hear his responses very clearly though.... or if I > did would that be too dark a secret to admit even here? Naw...lots of us probably talk to Matisse like characters: only nothing is a deep dark secret :~) - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) HARLEY PARKING ONLY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:30:33 EDT From: Cindy09876@aol.com Subject: Re: the record thread my $.02 - 1. You owned: aside from Disney, my first "real" album was by The Association. Forgot the name of the album - was it "Wendy"? - but it has an incredible song on it "Requiem for the Masses" that still floats about in my head. 3. Parents played: lots of religious type music - George Beverly Shea, in particular. and yes, those Firestone Xmas albums were all the rage at MY house, too. 5. Played over & over: "New Boots and Panties" by Ian Drury and The Blockheads. wore out 2 copies of this one! still have an unopened copy, too, just in case, since the 80's seem to be back with a vengence. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 16:11:22 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Dark Secrets VLJC Slac wrote: > Debra wrote: > > > 2. I'm sure that Gabriel Byrne is the sexiest man alive. > > Who is Gabriel Byrne? A dark haired Irish actor who I saw on Broadway in a Eugene O'Neill play a couple of months ago. He's craggy looking, and intense, and is probably cranky too, and normally has an Irish accent, and, oh, I don't know, all that just does something to me... This season he has a tv show, a sitcom, with the old man actor that was also in the play. They're playing an Irish father and son. Haven't seen the ad for it lately though so I hope it's not been cancelled before it's even been shown once. Could happen. > > Can't hear his responses very clearly though.... or if I > > did would that be too dark a secret to admit even here? > > Naw...lots of us probably talk to Matisse like characters: only nothing > is a deep dark secret :~) Phew, well, that's good to hear. Maybe now I'll start talking out loud to my friend Henri instead of just in my head. Maybe his responses would come in a little clearer then. :-) Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:24:54 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: fest blues woke up this morning reached down for my shoes had the worse old feeling had them joni fest blues people all going sing songs and eating food having the best old time i got them joni fest blues happens every year on this friday afternoon list trafic slows down i'm left alone with my tunes tomorrow will be better see pics of the fest see what people look like see 'em singing their best woke up this morning reached down for my shoes ain't goin up to topsfield i got them joni fest blues patrick np. clapton - running on faith - unplugged version ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:08:42 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Dark Secrets And then what. Did you stop? Why?????? atb, Martin. Kakki said.. >9. Snuck in private botanical gardens in the middle of the night and played >Lazer Tag until I was 40 years old. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 23:15:32 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Dark Secrets VLJC dsk wrote: > Slac wrote: > > > Debra wrote: > > > > > 2. I'm sure that Gabriel Byrne is the sexiest man alive. > > > > Who is Gabriel Byrne? > > A dark haired Irish actor who I saw on Broadway in a Eugene O'Neill play a > couple of months ago. He's craggy looking, and intense, and is probably > cranky too, and normally has an Irish accent, and, oh, I don't know, all > that just does something to me... He is as Debra describes. he also stars in STIGMATA and THE THREE MUSKETEERS. My claim to fame is I once did him a reading by proxy about 8 years ago. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:33:22 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Kakki's dark secrets In a message dated 01/09/00 08:22:32 GMT Daylight Time, Kakki writes: 4. Sometimes wear nylons with holes in them. Well you're in good company there Kakki! 5. Never have seen the movie Casablanca. Ah! All I can say is, watch it sometime, I am sure you won't regret it. I've watched it many times, and like a true classic, it never palls. One of the pluses of rejoining the list is the pleasure of reading your posts again, Kakki. More power to your elbow! Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:33:19 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Dark Secrets VLJC In a message dated 01/09/00 07:07:53 GMT Daylight Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: << > Azeem wrote: > > > Time to 'fess up folks - you know you'll feel better! > > Azeem darling, please return the Popes hat immediately ;~D But Azeem didn't offer forgiveness for those deep dark secrets, only curiosity about them. He must be flexing those therapist-in-training muscles :-) >> All I was doing was laying my foibles open, without excuse or explanation - throwing myself on the mercy of the JMDL, and hoping against hope for forgiveness! I feel I have been fairly treated, and of course can now travel lighter having disencumbered myself of the weighty burden of my dark Phil Collins secret. How was it for you lot?? It's nice to get such a response to this thread, anyway. There are some great ones going around at the moment, flame wars notwithstanding. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:33:21 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Fave opening lines Simple though it is, the one that springs to mind most readily is "Help me, I think I'm falling in love again" - It's probably the delivery more than the line itself that's so memorable The next one that ensnares me is more an opening verse, but no harm in repeating: "I was driving across the burning desert when I spotted six jet planes Making six white vapour trails across the bleak terrrain It was the hexagram of the heavens, it was the strings of my guitar Oh Amelia, it was just a false alarm" While we're on the subject of opening lines, this seems a perfect opportunity to raise a cheer for one of the most brilliant opening lines of any song of the last few years: it's literate, instantly evokes an atmosphere, time and place, is heroically heedless of scansion, and gets bonus points for being the lead-off song of the album, AND it starts off a capella, with no intro whatsoever. And here it is: "She was born in November 1963, the day Aldous Huxley died" Take a bow, Sheryl Crow! (It's Run Baby Run, from Tuesday Night Music Club, one of the best albums of the last decade, and certainly right up there as a debut) Azeem in London. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:33:23 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #479 In a message dated 01/09/00 08:22:32 GMT Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << 1) Im a radical liberal far left centrist Democrat 2) I skydive daily 3) I have a pet great white shark named Howard 4) Im a distant cousin of Michael Paz through a PO Box in Del Rio texas 5) Worship at the East Grand Discount House of Worship 6) Was so occult that they threw me out of the local Wiccan Chapter 7) Have written 25 songs about the worship of Gaia 8) Frequently hold Seances alone just to get myself together 9) Voted for Alexander Hamilton in three distinct elections 10) Have nominated IVPaul for Mr.Congeniality in the national Bert Parks sweepstakes 11) Sailed a U-boat to Argentina to present Wally Kairez with a new pair of ruby slippers 12) Voted for Bill Clinton after cheating off of Howard Ickes in the booth next to me 13) Dated Monica Lewinsky to no avail 14) Was introduced to her by Linda Tripp 15) Had to stop dancing with Janet Reno long enough to be introduced 16) Reached into my pocket to get my wallet which contained my business card to give her 17) Shook hands with Hillary Clinton who was also reaching into my pocket for my wallet 18) Now interviewing with a pest exterminator company in Washington D.C.for a job 19) In round the clock training for de-lousing old mansion-like buildings 20) Received orders to be at the back door of the White House on January 1-5, 2001. >> Aha! Is the challenge here to work out which is the real dark secret smuggled in under cover of the joke ones?? C'mon Marcel, you're really a Warlock, aren't you? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:27:14 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Re: Hejira, You're da greatest baby!!! Hi Debra, Thanks for the vote of confidence! Your words were eloquent regarding Hejira. Yesterday, I almost wrote an apology to the list regarding my post. Now I don't feel so bad about it. Your reply more than makes up for the strident tone, attrocious grammar and bad spelling in mine. --You made my day!! Thank you. Like you, I feel there are brilliant moments in all her works, but most do not make the perfect whole that Hejira does. Many thanks for the comments about the uplift one feels by the end of the journey. Refuge of the Roads builds this wonderful positive force as that repeated guitar figure moves into each verse. By the end, when she speaks of that marbled bowling ball, my heart is full to burst from the sublime imagery of this song. Every hair on my head stood on end the first time I listened to the album! Talk about radiant hapiness!!! Did you make it up to Sk'toon? There are several prints on exhibition from the Hejira series. Really haunting stuff. It's incredible to realize that beautiful album cover was but ONE of an amazing series of images. --and I suspect there are far more than what was exhibited at the Mendel. Assuming these prints were done in a series, there are enough of them out there for EVERYONE on this list to own a Joni original! And we won't have to pay 30 grand plus either. I would put the cost of a Hejira print, signed at about 2 grand. So, Let's buy several, eh? (Someone pleaaaaaase contact the Mendel.) Perhaps we can get a group rate??? > John, not Richard Rice, wrote: > > > Without a shred of doubt, > > Hejira is Joni's masterpiece. > Debra Shea wrote: > > Yes, it is! And I have no doubt about it either. And saying it's her > greatest doesn't at all mean she's stuck in time or that her other work > isn't brilliant also or that it's my favorite (that's NRH, which has > masterpiece moments but doesn't hold together the way Hejira does). > How true. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:53:33 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Dark Secrets VLJC He was also in End of Days with Arnold Schwarzenegger. There is something sexy about him but why does he most often play those deep, dark movies? At 11:15 PM 9/1/00 +0100, catman wrote: >He is as Debra describes. he also stars in STIGMATA and THE THREE MUSKETEERS. >My claim to fame is I once did him a reading by proxy about 8 years ago. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:38:21 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: Dark Secrets VLJC Wasn't Byrne also in The Usual Suspects w/Kevin Spacey? NP Nick Drake Things Behind the Sun Heather on 09/01/2000 03:53:33 PM Please respond to Heather To: catman , dsk cc: ondulees@telus.net, joni@smoe.org (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) Subject: Re: Dark Secrets VLJC He was also in End of Days with Arnold Schwarzenegger. There is something sexy about him but why does he most often play those deep, dark movies? At 11:15 PM 9/1/00 +0100, catman wrote: >He is as Debra describes. he also stars in STIGMATA and THE THREE MUSKETEERS. >My claim to fame is I once did him a reading by proxy about 8 years ago. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 16:43:09 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: Dark Secrets VLJC Debra wrote of Gabriel Byrne: > He's craggy looking, and intense, and is probably > cranky too That's okay: charge him $500 an hour...your time is valuable ;~) "...she comes from a school of southern charm she likes to have things her own way any man in the world holding out his arm will be made to pay..."-Thanks Joni darlin' ;~) And thanks Brenda, Catman, Azeem and Heather for the Gabby Road Trivia! Tell us about the reading Catman? - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) HARLEY PARKING ONLY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:27:35 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Fest News Just a quick hi from New England Jonifest 2000 Central. People have been arriving in the Boston are since Wednesday. So far, Chuck, Maggie, Jimmy, Nikki, Victor, Evie, Les, Leslie and Steve Mixon, John van Tiel, Kenny, Brian Gross, Mags, Bob Muller, Bob Murphy, Wally K., and Claud have arrived. Expecting many more later tonight and tomorrow. We are eating very well, playing lots and LOTS of music, talking a LOT, and MISSING ALL OF YOU!!!!! Next year....... :-) More to come! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 01:07:30 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Buying a Joni or two John, not Richard Rice, wrote: > Did you make it up to Sk'toon? There are several prints on exhibition from the > Hejira series. Really haunting stuff. It's incredible to realize that > beautiful album cover was but ONE of an amazing series of images. --and I > suspect there are far more than what was exhibited at the Mendel. Assuming > these prints were done in a series, there are enough of them out there for > EVERYONE on this list to own a Joni original! And we won't have to pay 30 > grand plus either. I would put the cost of a Hejira print, signed at about 2 > grand. So, Let's buy several, eh? > > (Someone pleaaaaaase contact the Mendel.) Perhaps we can get a group rate??? Maybe we could all chip in and buy one or two at a group rate and let them travel around to our different homes for set periods of time. Isn't there some sports prize that is shared that way? And then we can take photographs of the photographs on the wall in our home and let them travel too -- a little Joni, a little bit of ourselves. Hmm, there are possibilities here. No, I didn't go to Saskatoon because I expect the show to get closer to NY sometime. After reading the positive article in the NYTimes last week, it seems as though a respectful atmosphere for her work is being set up so my guess is there will be a show here in about a year and a half, with a good reception instead of the usual "oh great, another rich famous person doing some dabbling and getting lots of attention" reception celebrities usually get. And referring back to that article, even though the thread about it was a while ago (sorry, I was out of town last week), calling her a naive artist wasn't at all disrespectful. It just means an artist who doesn't have formal art training, which most of the artists in museums and galleries have had. Joni did go to art school for a year, but even she says she didn't learn anything. Whatever the program of study was, apparently she wasn't interested in it. So "naive" artists usually work independently of art history and current trends and often use materials in unusual ways, and now that naive art is a unique category, there are collectors that prefer owning such work. So to call Joni a worldy naive artist is not a putdown. The whole article was very respectful of her and her painting and I think it was a good set-up for a show in NYC eventually. Debra Shea P.S. All of this is just filler of course until the jonifest info starts pouring in :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:38:36 -0700 From: "Patrick Willoughby" Subject: dinner for eight and more Greetings to JM admirers, from Vancouver. New to list, observing for a while, but couldn't resist the dinner thread... 1. Dinner table to include, at some secluded spot in the West End of my lovely town: 1. Miss JM of course 2. Don Freed (out of courtesy to Herself) 3. Sting (to get him to acknowledge his debt to Joni, finally...) 4. Pat Metheny 5. My brother Mark (plays sax and bass) 6. My friend Leah (who's seen me through "all these highs and lows") 7. My friend Carol from Saskatune... 8. My next boyfriend (as in "all I wanna do right now is find another lover...") 2. Songs I like to perform from JM repertoire: Hejira, when my vocal bandwith is up to it; Just Like This Train, for the whimsy, although I do it in regular open C, to avoid the fiddling; and usually for myself only, Magdalene Laundries, again in open C--the gender switch is weird, but it's so very cathartic--one of her greatest songs, I think. 3. As for me, I first heard her debut album in 1970, and have pursued her work rigorously ever since. I started to understand some of the tuning structures a few years later, but am much indebted to the jmdl tuning database for broadening my scope. I met JM this summer in Saskatoon when there for her art show. She's a very gracious, and intent, listener. Would love to hear from some of the folks I met there briefly who were part of the jmdl contingent--I didn't have time to take down personal email info. Ciao. PatrickW. Vancouver ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #354 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?