From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #351 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, August 31 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 351 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: 8 dinner guests ["Martin Giles" ] Favourite Joni to play ["Martin Giles" ] Re: my dream dinner (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: The cover of Hejira [Gerald McNamara ] Dinner for 8 [SAVtheWAVE@aol.com] Re: 8 dinner guests [Slac ] Re: Dark Secrets VLJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] hitler and jesus ["kerry" ] Re: hitler and jesus [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: McGuinn's sarong [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Dark Secrets VLJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: hitler and jesus ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Hejira (md) ["Mark or Travis" ] Roger's Whine... ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re: Dark Secrets VLJC [Jason Maloney ] Gagged by your ribbons... ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #474 [BMGKotler@aol.com] Dark Secrets ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] re: Dinner Party [Christopher Otterbeck ] re: Dinner Party [Christopher Otterbeck ] Re: Dark Secrets VLJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: hitler and jesus [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Dark Secrets VLJC (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Joni and Joan Baez [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Dark Secrets [Steven Barton ] RE: hitler and jesus ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: hitler and jesus ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:04:50 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests Hi everyone!! I've been in enforced lurkdome for several months, but now I'm out - and what a thread, I can't resist.. 8 dinner guests. Not in any particular order except the first one....... 1 Joni Mitchell 2 Richard Dawkins 3 Douglas Adams 4 Hillaire Belloc 5 John Pilger 6 Germaine Greer 7 Eddie Izzard 8 Stan Freberg I think I'd have to order in pizza though. I wouldn't want to miss a moment! Load of others I'd like to invite, but I just don't have the room - including Vivian Stamshall, JS Bach and Frank Zappa. No restrictions on the dead in my house! btw - MARCEL - I ate at the next table to Stephen Hawking, at a Thai restaurant in Cambridge, the evening after Chris' UK Jonifest a couple of weeks back! atb, Martin. In London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:53:45 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Favourite Joni to play Here's another list thread I'd be interested in peoples replies to. There are a lot of musicians on the list, many of whom play (ie perform) Joni songs. So which of her songs do people enjoy doing most? And why? My top three are: 1 Hejira. I love all the chords on this song in Joni's tuning. Particularly, the two chords in the breaks between verses always make the hair stand up on the back of my neck. The semitone interval between the fourth and third strings on the guitar in the first chord that jjjjanglless, followed by that wonderful unison on the same two strings in the next chord. 2 Coyote. I get carried away with all the dynamics you can put into the right hand on this one. Lots of syncopation, lots of variety you can put into it. Great fun. 3 Just like This Train. The chords again. So big and rich. You may notice that I haven't said anything about singing her songs. I usually find it impossible to sing AND play Joni's music at the same time. The rhythms cross each other too much for me to cope with! When I'm in the bath I love belting out Goodbye Pork Pie Hat. It travels up and down the scale so elastically. Probably not a good idea to listen to me though! atb, Martin. In London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:22:37 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: my dream dinner (md) In a message dated 8/30/00 3:37:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << My dream dinner: Harvey (my first Samoyed) Waldo (a lovable mutt) Curley (a wonderful Samoyed) Tommy (current Samoyed) Fielder (current lab) Snowflake (my first dog) Women (a remarkable cat) Sylvester (Women's son) If I could have all my best pets together for one evening... >> The reverend has clearly gone to the dogs. (rimshot) I thought for sure his dinner list would be the White Sox starters. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:57:19 UTC From: Gerald McNamara Subject: Re: The cover of Hejira Mary Pitassi in Madison, WI wrote: >I am quite familiar with the landscape behind the Edgewater, and wrote at >the time that, if the cover wasn't shot there, it very well *could* have >been. My guess now is that Joni was staying at the Edgewater when she was >in town for the concert, and seized the opportunity to take (or have someone >else take) those beautiful photographs. > When I stayed at The Edgewater a few years ago, the walls of the lounge were covered with framed photographs of celebs who'd stayed there. Anyone know whether these pictures are still there ? If so, is Joni's photo amongst them ?? -Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:04:47 EDT From: SAVtheWAVE@aol.com Subject: Dinner for 8 Had to get in on this thread. My choice for dinner guests : 1. Joni 2. Henry D. Thoreau 3. Sigmund Freud 4. Albert Einstein 5. Janis Joplin 6. John Lennon 7. Alfred Hitchcock 8. Bruce Springstein Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:19:11 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests Pat wrote: > there are no rules nor any box big enough to contain the thoughts of > the ondulees. "...I'm a pretty good cook sittin' on my groceries..."-that about sums it up at the moment...if anyone can contain me it's Joni ;~D Now pick up that phone, call Ladies n' Lace (Vancouver Island) and tell them you're looking for Chelsea ;~) > and i would personally love to see the lady princess di tear > off a piece of camilla's ass. I've always been fond of off night backstreets myself ;~) Interested in wagering? > np. clapton. she's waiting. I sure am...sittin' around waitin for the phone to ring...another hump day in paradise ;~D - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) HARLEY PARKING ONLY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:36:10 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Dark Secrets VLJC In a message dated 8/30/00 8:03:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << As if someone's going to say, "Hey Joan, why don't we take in a Reds game? After all, the brick entertainment facility is SO much more asthetically pleasing than the out-moded concrete entertainment facility. I don't really care about baseball- I just love to go to games to watch the building." >> Sorry to inform you that MANY people will aprecaite the difference. Those cookie-cutter ballparks are all being torn down. I guess it's safe to assume you've never been to Wrigley Field or Camden Yards for a ballgame. Then you might get it. But probably not. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:48:47 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: hitler and jesus Wally wrote: >>oh but kerrry and paul! it's the lyrics of TALK TO ME by JONI MITCHELL? can you be so NOT into joni mitchell?????????????>> That was an unfair statement. DJRD was never my favorite. For some reason I never quite got into it, although I love EVERYTHING else she's done. I've been listening to it more because of the discussions lately and missed that lyric. That aside, I didn't think this list was a game of "who's the most into Joni!" Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:50:12 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: hitler and jesus In a message dated 8/30/00 8:46:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, myrtlmoo@ticon.net writes: << Wally wrote: >>oh but kerrry and paul! it's the lyrics of TALK TO ME by JONI MITCHELL? can you be so NOT into joni mitchell?????????????>> That was an unfair statement. DJRD was never my favorite. For some reason I never quite got into it, although I love EVERYTHING else she's done. I've been listening to it more because of the discussions lately and missed that lyric. That aside, I didn't think this list was a game of "who's the most into Joni!" Kerry >> To take this a step further, if someone is so into Joni that they would invite someone like Hitler as a dinner guest merely because he's mentioned in a lyric, maybe that person is TOO much into Joni. Paul I P.S. There are several songs I love on DJRD, but "Talk to Me" is not among them. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:19:04 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: McGuinn's sarong In a message dated 8/30/00 4:31:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << Roger does need the help of Croz, Hillman, Parsons, Petty or others to coat over his vocals. Oooo, but that guitar, ooh ooh ooh ;-) Kakki >> I dont know about anyone else but there is not another singer on earth who could do Mr.Spaceman half as good as The Rog. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:19:50 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Dark Secrets VLJC Lamadoo wrote: > My Dark Secret: > > I'm the only American male who thinks that the preoccupation with sports > (beyond school teams) is a huge, huge waste of time and effort. Not to mention MONEY! No you are not! I feel the same way! Mark in Seattle ps: your description of the building of various sports arenas in Cincy sounds a *lot* like what's been going on in Seattle. Safeco Field: Build It and They Will Lose! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:28:57 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: hitler and jesus > To take this a step further, if someone is so into Joni that they would > invite someone like Hitler as a dinner guest merely because he's mentioned in > a lyric, maybe that person is TOO much into Joni. > > Paul I > P.S. There are several songs I love on DJRD, but "Talk to Me" is not among > them. And I would ask is there anybody on the list so without humor that they honestly thought the post about inviting these people to dinner was meant to be taken seriously? And I don't believe Joni was planning on inviting Hitler to dinner in 'Talk To Me' either. She threw his name out as a possible topic of conversation. Lighten up, people! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:30:49 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Hejira (md) > << But it seems that to call it her greatest somehow freezes her in time at > that > point. >> > > I couldnt agree more with this comment. Im not sure any Joni album is her > "greatest" just as no Van Gough painting is really his "greatest". Someone is > surely entitled to say that because it may be that way for them but is more > than likely isnt for everyone. Personally I think several of her albums are > all equal yet different and thats because they are related to the evolution > of her art skills. Joni Mitchels art has been a work in progress and > evolution for her entire career which is what has made her different and why > I love her. I've been saying this over & over & over & over again! Thank you Marcel & Kakki! It's good to know I'm not alone! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:15:40 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Roger's Whine... Bob wrote:"but the song bites the big one anyway with McGuinn's whine." My God, I had no idea! This is truly unimaginable; what a hurrendous concept. True blasphemy, distaste.... I'm having gas just thinking about it! -Chris NP:"This Flight Tonight" @ The Paramount '72. Love the way she stretches "Turn this crazy bird around...". The way the crowd is mixed in, it sounds like the Beatles @ Shea. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 02:42:41 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Dark Secrets VLJC AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > > People keep talking about a TV Programme called Big Brother, and giving me > amazed looks when I "admit" that I've never seen it. So anyway, that got me > thinking, what other shameful secrets are we hiding, or opinions we'd never > share in "polite company"?? > Azeem > PS I don't think I've ever tried to start a thread before - thread fever > seems to be in the air. Hi Azeem, Great idea for a thread. I haven't seen any of Big Brother either, which is tantamount to social suicide, it seems. I'm just not interested! Well, what terrible revelations can I share with my fellow JMDL-ers? 1) I own every Kylie Minogue CD. 2) Despite what everyone says about her, I still feel a great affinity with Geri Halliwell. Reading her book only enhanced this. That she lives just 15 minutes from me makes it even more tantalising. Maybe it'll pass but I doubt it. 3) I have those Buffy The Vampire Slayer action figures ;-) 4) I have never seen Casblanca, Citizen Kane, Gone With The Wind, Lawrence of Arabia...or several (make that most) other *classics* - my reputation as a movie critic is now in tatters ;o) 5) I think Lindsay Davenport is kinda cute ...well, that's probably MORE than enough for now! Azeem, what have you started! Jason. PS. 6) I do not own Miles Of Aisles -a high risk confession in the company of Joni fans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:51:13 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Gagged by your ribbons... Mark wrote:"And I would ask is there anybody on the list so without humor that they honestly thought the post about inviting these people to dinner was meant to be taken seriously? And I don't believe Joni was planning on inviting Hitler to dinner in 'Talk To Me' either. She threw his name out as a possible topic of conversation. Lighten up, people!" And he's absolutely right! Mental masturbation run riot, let's get all twwwiiiirrrrrllllled up and lose sleep over this, shall we? Let's waste as much energy as we possibly can over it! -Chris. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:58:18 EDT From: BMGKotler@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #474 My dinner guest list (assuming my husband can come): 1. Joni 2. Arlo Guthrie 3. Paul Simon 4. Jerry Seinfeld 5. Chris Rock 6. Neil Young 7. Natalie Merchant 8. Howard Stern First Album Owned - The Fifth Dimension (the one with Aquarius on it) Parents Listened To - Dean Martin (Everybody Loves Somebody Sometime) Cover Art - Deja Vu (argued endlessly with my sister over which of us would marry Graham Nash) Listened to Endlessly - Abbey Road Loved this thread because it took me back to living at home and being upstairs with my brothers and sister as kids and early teens discovering music in each others' bedrooms and spinning those albums on my close and play record player. Seems so hard to find, between raising a kid and working, to lay on the floor and just listen to tunes and examine an album cover (I need glasses to read the CD inserts!) for hours on end. Maddie at BMGKotler@AOL.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:10:48 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Dark Secrets OK, I'll jump on the bandwagon here. I like this one... 1.I think Wings were a much better band than the Beatles 2.I collect all sorts of South Park memorabelia 3.I like DJRD more than Hejira 4.I think Bruce willis is the sexiest man on the planet (save a few dead porn stars...like Al Parker for instance) 5.I have admitted that I am powerless over mayonnaise, and that my diet has become unmanageable. I feel a water balloon coming on...memories of Joni at Amnesty. And ya' know, there may be more. NP: SLEEP! (up @ 5 tomorrow). Goodnight. -Christopher. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:57:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Otterbeck Subject: re: Dinner Party I also will go with people that are alive... wouldn't want the dining room to get smelly. 1) Joni 2) Stevie Nicks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:06:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Otterbeck Subject: re: Dinner Party Oops, the first one wasn't complete... thanks to the cat jumping on the keyboard. :-) My list again 1) Joni 2) Stevie Nicks 3) Katharine Hepburn 4) Martha Stewart 5) Lizzie Borden (would like to get the real story) 6) Brad Pitt (well, maybe he would be dessert) lol 7) Rosie O'Donnell 8) Claude Monet An electic mix, but hay, this for fun!! NP The 10 o'clock news... depressing as usual __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:03:34 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Dark Secrets VLJC In a message dated 8/30/00 9:25:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << Mark in Seattle ps: your description of the building of various sports arenas in Cincy sounds a *lot* like what's been going on in Seattle. Safeco Field: Build It and They Will Lose! >> Open mouth, Mark, and insert foot. In case you haven't noticed, the Mariners are WINNING. They are in first place in their division and have been for most of the season. Apparently the combination of the new ballpark and the trade of Ken Griffey Jr. has been beneficial for the team. You can criticize the new ballpark all you want, but it's a huge improvement over the stadium it replaced AND it will mean MORE revenue for the city of Seattle, which will help keep your taxes lower. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:05:49 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: hitler and jesus In a message dated 8/30/00 9:29:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << And I would ask is there anybody on the list so without humor that they honestly thought the post about inviting these people to dinner was meant to be taken seriously? And I don't believe Joni was planning on inviting Hitler to dinner in 'Talk To Me' either. She threw his name out as a possible topic of conversation. >> Sorry, but when the topic turns to Adolf Hitler, there is no room for humor, and anyone who thinks so is an insensitive fool or an idiot. So don't try to laugh it off as a joke. It's not and never can be. And I can think of 6 million reasons. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:11:57 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Dark Secrets VLJC (md) In a message dated 8/30/00 5:01:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, AzeemAK@aol.com writes: Well Azeem, as the official head of the taste committee I shall pass judgement on this presumptuous post: << I've never seen The X Files! : Nothing wrong with that except you are not cool. I think Anthony Hopkins is an overrated ham!: Points for honesty but since he's politically correct you're supposed to worship him. I HATE Stevie Nicks!: Parts of her you can hate others...where's your taste. I prefer Phil Collins's version of You Can't Hurry Love to the Supremes'!: You ARE kidding. Phils a bore. Always has been. Next thing you know you'll say you dont finish your Joni albums. I've never listened to Miles of Aisles all the way through!! : I KNEW it. I've never voluntarily read Dickens ( a frightening bore. Took a page to say what Hemmingway said in a paragraph) , Jane Austen (who cares) any of the Brontes, : Who the hell is Brontes, coach of the Liverpool soccer team ??? Shakespeare, Henry James, Forster, etc etc etc - yes, I am a literary philistine! : You said it we didnt. but thats ok. Besides Philistines became cool when Punk music sold records. >> Love the honesty of you Brits. Comes from being married to a European. Ciao mon ami. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:30:59 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Joni and Joan Baez I love the song "Dida" on Joan's Baez's album "Diamonds and Rust",which came out in 1975.Joni sounds beautiful.my question is:Why did Joan Baez ask Joni to be on it?I have read a quote of Joni where she said that Joan was very rude and unfriendly towards her,because she regared Joni as competition.Why did Joan suddenly change her mind and become friendly to Joni,and invite her to sing on her album?Could it have been the "Hurrican" tour with Bob Dylan that broke the Ice? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:56:32 -0700 From: Steven Barton Subject: Re: Dark Secrets 1. I own several Richard Harris albums--including the one with MacArthur Park. 2. I have the sheet music to MacArthur Park. 3. I actually tried to learn to play MacArthur Park on the Piano. 4. I think Jimmy Webb himself does a killer version of MacArthur Park. 5. It is hard to believe, but I never did purchase Donna Summer's version of MacArthur Park. My loss. 6. I still find myself playing portions of MacArthur Park on the piano. 7. Am I losing my mind? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 03:06:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: hitler and jesus paul, you're just trying to win the sympathy you will never deserve by sounding off like you have a heart or a brain. hitler at least was consistent. wallyk > Sorry, but when the topic turns to Adolf Hitler, there is no room for humor, > and anyone who thinks so is an insensitive fool or an idiot. > So don't try to laugh it off as a joke. It's not and never can be. > And I can think of 6 million reasons. > > Paul I > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 03:13:12 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: hitler and jesus don't be silly kerry! at least you should have given the person who wrote the first post on hitler the benefit of the doubt. didn't it cross your mind that HE/SHE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN A RAVING MAD NAZI????? come on now, draw yourself a bath [ALSO FROM A JONI MITCHELL SONG, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD.] > > That aside, I didn't think > this list was a game of "who's the most into Joni!" > > Kerry ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #351 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?