From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #348 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, August 30 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 348 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Lunar lyrics [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: (now Hejira) ["Kakki" ] 8 dinner guests [zaide912@webtv.net] Re: Lyric thread - moons ["Alan Lorimer" ] 8 dinner guests ["Kakki" ] Re: Lyric thread - moons ["Kakki" ] 8 dinner guests [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Lyric thread - moons [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: 8 dinner guests (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Lyric thread -traveling theme ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: 8 dinner guests (md) ["M & C Urbanski" ] A Joni Moment [Jerry Notaro ] 8 dinner guests ["cassy" ] Re: My 8 Dinner Party Guests (SJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Track Listings on Tribute Album. [JanetL0VER@aol.com] the matalla moon [Michael Bird ] Re: Track Listings on Tribute Album. [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] first record [m.harmssen@t-online.de (m.harmssen)] Re: ribbons (Talk to Me) [m.harmssen@t-online.de (m.harmssen)] Re: Track Listings on Tribute Album. [JanetL0VER@aol.com] RLJ's Dinner Party Guests ["william" ] 8 people to dinner [m.harmssen@t-online.de (m.harmssen)] Attention Dennis Leong!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] re: Your Record Thread/Firsts (SJC) ["c Karma" ] stream of consciousness joni lyric exercise [Michael Bird ] dinner guests ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: (now Hejira) [Scott Price ] Re: 8 dinner guests ["Steve Mitchell" ] Re: 8 dinner guests ["Steve Mitchell" ] Re: 8 dinner guests [IVPAUL42@aol.com] my dinner guests [Murphycopy@aol.com] Fwd: Re: Record Thread Poll [Susan McNamara ] Re: my 8 dinner guests ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] 8 Dinner Party Guests ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Don's dinner...sjc ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Expressed anger ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Covers ["Michael Paz" ] Re: 8 dinner guests ["Kakki" ] Re: Expressed anger [m.harmssen@t-online.de (m.harmssen)] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #347 [Mg41mk34@aol.com] Guess who's coming to dinner? (SJC) [Jason Maloney ] Hejira [Michael Paz ] Re: 8 dinner guests [Slac ] Re: 8 dinner guests [Slac ] 8 dinner guests [Joseph Palis ] Re: RLJ's Dinner Party Guests [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Hejira ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:21:40 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Lunar lyrics In a message dated 8/29/00 1:39:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: << I don't think that was the point. Are you saying that nearly EVERY poet and songwriter writes lyrics like Joni Mitchell? I think her images are unique, especially her moon references, and I find them very interesting. You might try listening to one of her cd's if you can find one. Victor >> I've been listening to Joni's music since "Moons and Junes and Ferris wheels The dizzy dancing way you feel As ev'ry fairy tale comes real I've looked at love that way" and am sure that her reference to looking at the photo of the Earth coming back from the moon is her lunar lyric closest to my heart, but i was still thinking that poets writing about the moon is so common it's almost trite and that's Joni's was not much different. To me, it's her ability to crystallize the moods and actions of herself and the people around her into such beautilful and haunting lyrics that sets her apart, not her reflections upon the "Mad Mad Moon," which any simpleton in comparison can do. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:34:22 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: (now Hejira) Hi Scott, > Speaking for myself, part of this recognition of Hejira as her >crown jewel is because the question, or the concept posed, >is to narrow it down to *one* album as the best. I love C&S, >FTR, Blue, HOSL, DJRD, et al. But to name just >one...yep...Hejira. I can understand people having their particular favorites but can't quite understand singling out one as the "best" when presented with such a vastly incredible portfolio as Joni's. > For me it was the album that allowed me to get into...deeply >into...lyrics. Having always been a "music person" before a >"lyrics person" it was a revelation for me to be forced to >listen intently to the lyrics because the musical >arrangements were so sparse and had a sameness. There >are moments of incredible melodic beauty as Jaco's bass >soars to the lead and Joni's guitar playing perfectly >complements the rhythms and the overall feel, but the lack of >extensive layering, especially with background and harmony >vocals, made me concentrate on what she was saying. I can appreciate this but, again, can't understand why an album where the music takes a back seat could be considered her finest achievement. How can the music be left out of an assessment of her "greatest"? Her lyrics in Hejira ARE incredible, but, to me, her lyrics were always exceptional poetry, full of vivid imagery, depth and transcendence. Her musical genius has always been highly exceptional, too, and I can't see how her lyrical achievements on Hejira can trump all of her musical achievements, pre- and post-Hejira. > And finally, I think much of our enjoyment of particular >albums has to do with timing. When did we first hear it and >what were we doing? Did it fit in well, feel "right?" Were >these happy times or not? Both FTR and Hejira came out at times in my life which were not particularly happy. One is my favorite and one never reached me. >This album came out just as I was falling in love and I will >always associate it with unbounded feelings of hope. OK, so >maybe I was looking for something at the time, and latched >on to this album, Hejira, having already been a Joni >"convert," but here it is decades later and it's still the one I >turn to. I can't imagine that any subsequent album, by any >artist, could capture my spirit quite like that one did. This I can understand. I will always have an strong attachment, enduring, and sometimes blind, loyalty, to certain albums that came out when I was falling in love. The content of the album did not mean as much as it just being the background soundtrack of compelling music playing during a particularly special time in my life. Blue and STAS fit that bill for me, along with a number of non-Joni albums. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:48:01 -0400 (EDT) From: zaide912@webtv.net Subject: 8 dinner guests 1. Joni Mitchell 2. Andy Warhol 3. Sandra Bernhardt 4. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart 5. Lisa Gerrard 6. Stephen Sondheim 7. Stevie Nicks 8. John Waters Love & Peace, Kevin NP: The Cure "Pictures of You" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:53:25 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Lyric thread - moons Mark started a thread on Joni tracks that featured the moon. Mark found the following: >'he stood looking through the lace at the face on the conquered moon' >'they're playin' that scratchy rock n roll beneath the Matala moon' >'and the moon swept down black water like an empty spot light' >'over the month of June was a photograph of the earth taken coming back from the moon' >'where the moon clock wanes & waxes' >'at least the moon at the window the thieves left that behind' >'the moon was bright like day for night' >'once in awhile in a big blue moon there comes a night like this' >'and the lonely loon and the crescent moon what a pocket of heavenly grace' I've found a whole load more, but I haven't listed them all, just noted the albums to look for them on so someone else can have some fun :-) From the album Song to a Seagull: (Still one more to find on this album) I had a king in a salt-rusted carriage Who carried me off to his country for marriage too soon Beware of the power of moons From the album Clouds: Does the moon play only silver When it strums the galaxy Dying roses will they will their Perfumed rhapsodies to me From the album Ladies of the Canyon: Moons and Junes and Ferris wheels The dizzy dancing way you feel As ev'ry fairy tale comes real I've looked at love that way From the album Blue: (Still one more to find on this album) Born with the moon in Cancer Choose her a name she will answer to Call her green and the winters cannot fade her Call her green for the children who've made her Little green, be a gypsy dancer There's one more to find on For The Roses (It's the name of a song) From the album The Hissing Of Summer Lawns: (Still one more to find on this album) In a low-cut blouse she brings the beer Rousseau paints a jungle flower behind her ear Those cannibals-of shuck and jive They'll eat a working girl like her alive With his hard-edged eye and his steady hand He paints the cellar full of ferns and orchid vines And he hangs a moon above a five-piece band He hangs it up above the jungle line From the album Hejira: (Still one more to find on this album) We got high on travel And we got drunk on alcohol And on love the strongest poison and medicine of all See how that feeling comes and goes Like the pull of moon on tides Now I am surf rising Now parched ribs of sand at his side Plus there's one more to find on Night Ride Home Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:53:22 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: 8 dinner guests This is so funny because just the other night I was talking with another jimdle about who we would want at a dream dinner with Joni. As for a dinner party of all my favorite famous people, I think that may not neccessarily be that enjoyable - there might be too many egos at the table, all out-talking each other! And since Joni would have to be one of the people, I especially want people who were complimentary to her and could pick up the stories without being competitive to her. So here's my picks: 1. Joni 2. Henry Diltz 3. Cameron Crowe (can't wait to see the movie!) 4 - 8 - my favorite listmembers ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:22:10 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Lyric thread - moons Wow Alan, there's more than I thought! > From the album Song to a Seagull: > (Still one more to find on this album Moon's up, night's up taking the town by surprise > From the album Blue: > (Still one more to find on this album) You laugh, he said, you think you're immune, go look at your eyes they're full of moon > There's one more to find on For The Roses > (It's the name of a song) Judgement of the Moon and Stars Unreleased on record Joni: MELODY IN YOUR NAME Night comes much bluer than it used to be The pink nun sings much sadder than before She sings that sometimes things aren't what they seem to be Like moons reflected on the sixteenth floor Love is no more, it ended Even the moon pretended POOR SAD BABY When I've felt the friendship of a thousand hands, when I'm drunk with music from a thousand bands, a thousand bands I'll dance the streets by moonlight and the fields by day MOON IN THE MIRROR Moon in the mirror won't you stay a while tonight? Have you seen a moonlit man? He's so very like you You could see him from afar Perhaps he's a misplaced moonbeam or a banished star (and too many more in this one!) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:31:53 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: 8 dinner guests 1. Joni 2. Sylvia Plath 3. Mary McCarthy 4. Dashiell Hammett 5. Lillian Hellman 6. Eleanor Roosevelt 7. Jim Buton, (is he dead? Former Yankee, author of "Ball Four") 8. Rotating JMDL list members, (is that cheating?) Seating arrangements should be interesting....... MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:17:23 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Lyric thread - moons Room for one more? from "Love or Money": He was carrying an armload of bright balloons She just laughed She said she heard him knocking And she teased him for the moon "Is one the moon, dear clown, Tied to a string for me?" And I suppose the logical question is...why is the moon such a significant and repeated lyric? Does it represent something we can see yet not grasp, like love itself? Bob NP" Joni, "Same Situation" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:45:16 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests (md) 8 dinner guests 1) Peter Townshend 2) Joni Mitchell 3) Winston Churchill 4) Stephen Hawking 5) Richard B. Leakey 6) Elton John 7) Tiger Woods 8) Ronald Reagan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:11:55 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Lyric thread -traveling theme There's a ton of these... The king's on the road And the queen's in the grove till the end of the year... Someone heard she bought a one-way ticket And went west again... I hired a coach to take me from confusion to the plane... And I was left to winter here While you went west for pleasure... We took a taxi to tour mother's home She went to Florida... I am on a lonely road and I am traveling traveling, traveling, traveling... Maybe I'll go to Amsterdam Maybe I'll go to Rome... I shouldn't have got on this flight tonight... Oh I wish I had a river I could skate away on... It's a rough road to travel Mama let go now... You just picked up a hitcher A prisoner of the white lines on the freeway... We got high on travel And we got drunk on alcohol... I'm traveling in some vehicle I'm sitting in some cafe... There's more... Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:15:44 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests (md) - ---------- > From: MDESTE1@aol.com > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests (md) > Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 7:45 AM > > 8 dinner guests > > 1) > 2) > 3) > 4) > 5) > 6) > 7) > 8) Ronald Reagan Are you expecting any kind of conversation from Ronald?? :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:21:25 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: A Joni Moment I took my parents out to dinner last night for their 52nd Wedding Anniversary. During the end of the meal Conversation came through the restaurants sound system. My mother saw my face light up and said, "Wouldn't you know it. It's my anniversary but they play Joni for you." We had a great laugh! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:38:31 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: 8 dinner guests 1. Joni Mitchell 2. Ghandi 3. Marquis de Sade 4. Jesus Christ 5. Timothy Leary 6. Lou Gherig 7. Pearl Bailey 8. My Dad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:53:11 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: My 8 Dinner Party Guests (SJC) 1. Oscar Wilde 2. Joni 3. Eleanor Roosevelt 4. Bette Midler 5. Truman Capote 6. Katherine Hepburn 7. Salvador Dali 8. Cleopatra Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:29:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests Unlike Kakki, I like my dinner parties lively. So with an eye firmly set on that goal: 1. Joni Mitchell 2. David Geffen 3. Jackson Browne 4. PJ O'Rourke 5. Brian Hinton 6. Don Henley 7. Madonna 8. George Will And now, if you'll excuse me, I'm feeling a sudden urge to throw plastic covers over ... everything! ;-) Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:25:08 EDT From: JanetL0VER@aol.com Subject: Track Listings on Tribute Album. Hey list, 1st i would like to say HI! im new here, my names Matt. Does anyone know the track listings for the Tribute Album? And also, has anyone heard it yet? Im guessing promo's are about to be released or all ready have been. Please get back to me, Matt~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:36:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Bird Subject: the matalla moon 'they're playin' that scratchy rock n roll beneath the Matalla moon' Every so often someone references Joni lyrics in a post and I'm astonished to realize that I've been completely WRONG about what I thought she was saying, despite my frequent returns to the lyric sheets, despite what I thought was my encyclopedic and reverential knowledge of every word in every song. I'd always thought she was singing, "beneath the mantle of the moon," which I kind of like better. Similarly, I was unsettled to realize that MY SECRET PLACE includes the line, 'Out of all of the girls that you see in bleachers and cafe windows.' I had always heard "pictures and cafe windows." Pictures as in movies, or photos in a magazine, therefore meaning celebrities -- adding the poignancy of a woman asking her man, "out of all of those famous pretty girls you could have chosen, why did you pick me?" I still love the line ... Nickel Chief ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:05:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Track Listings on Tribute Album. <> Hi Matt! Welcome to the list! I take it from your e-mail addy you're a huge Janet Jackson fan? <> It's not out until late fall, early winter...you can check at JoniMitchell.com, under "News", Jim's got the latest there, I forget if ALL the tracks are listed! Meanwhile, we've kinda put together our own 13-CD tribute that's pretty cool! ;~D Bob NP: Mellencamp, "the breakout" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:08:00 +0200 From: m.harmssen@t-online.de (m.harmssen) Subject: first record Name the first record 1. You owned. I'm not sure, but the one I remember best is the first of several records by the church choir I sang in, so one of my first records as a "musician" really, the first I owned and played over and over was > BENEFIT < by TULL 2. You bought. same 3. You remember parents or guardians playing. Must have been some Schumann or Chopin maybe, my granny also loved Mendelssohn, then also Stravinsky's >Petrouchka<, certainly > Peter & the wolf <, a lot of Sinatra plus the great ELLA & LOUIS - album that I remember being totally in love with( about age 4 ), also Oscar Peterson plays PORGY & BESS - a 45 single that had > It ain't necessarily so < 4. The cover art of which struck early interest for you. Very clearly > Revolver < including those stories about Klaus Voormann, who was also a bass player and had done the drawing, and of course directly after REVOLVER it was PEPPER, both owned by my older brother as were all the other BEATLES albums, they were absolutely NO. 1 5. You played over and over. (not necessarily yours) 45 Fats Domino > Blueberry Hill< , around 58 / 59 michael m.harmssen@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:08:00 +0200 From: m.harmssen@t-online.de (m.harmssen) Subject: Re: ribbons (Talk to Me) MGVal@aol.com schrieb: > In a message dated 8/28/00 1:15:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Gertus@aol.com > writes: > > << love the song "Talk to me", I think the feel is so neurotic. My take on > the > person the lines are directed at is that he's someone Joni's just met and > wants to get to know. She badly wants to chat and express herself and > probably impress him but he's just not responding so she can't make him out. > >> > > > You know, I used to agree with the "neurotic" feel to this song. These past > 6 or 7 months, I've been developing a different take on it which goes a > little something like this: > > Perhaps the person is not neurotic at all. Perhaps Joni is the one with the > "problem" per se. In the song, she even says: "anyway the best of my mind all > goes down on the strings and the page." So with all of her talking, what is > she really saying that is intimate? > Sometimes, intimacy and getting to know someone better comes from just being > still and allowing hearts to connect without words. Maybe he is responding > but her hollow chatter drowns it all out. I think this is indeed a very good point, my response to the lyrics along with the music always went the same direction, maybe even more in a direction like she's afraid of losing by not hearing herself talk, getting lost to a situation she can't anticipate michael m.harmssen@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:12:17 EDT From: JanetL0VER@aol.com Subject: Re: Track Listings on Tribute Album. Yes, I totally adore Janet! I know she covered Beat Of Black Wings for the tribute cd and im dying to hear it! Thanks for gettin back to me :) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:43:05 +0700 From: "william" Subject: RLJ's Dinner Party Guests Further to Les Irvin's post, I've just checked out the Rickie Lee Jones site. Is that the actual genuine none other than her real McCoy RLJ self replying to contributors? If so I'm very impressed. Now our Joan! Can't we persuade you to identify yourself if you are a regular incognito on the JMDL? Hey Joan are you there? When RLJ replies there doesn't appear to be a return address. How wise. Is it like having an unlisted/ex directory phone number? I may well be spreading my posts thin these next few days/weeks. I must say though as big a fan as I am of RLJ, I can't imagine there's nearly as much too talk about; with all due respect to the girl at her volcano. As for eight guests to dinner; Mmm! Jesus Hitler Howard Hughes _____________________________ Joni l The Table l Willy the Shake __________is laden high_________ Charlie Chaplin Bergman Martha Oh I must get a life! Willy the Shake - I stole that ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:10:44 +0200 From: m.harmssen@t-online.de (m.harmssen) Subject: 8 people to dinner If I could invite 8 people to dinner, who would they be? - - 1 Lev Davidovich Bronstein, aka Trotzky - - 2 Keith Haring - - 3 Jaco Pastorius - - 4 Stravinsky I'd love to, but: see 1 - would end in a catastrophe, so it would rather be Schoenberg - - 5 Joni - - 6 Thomas Mann - - 7 Xavier Marias - - 8 Hans Werner Henze If I could invite 8 people to dinner, who would have to be excluded ? - - regarding -1 it would have to be Lenin - - -----"------ 2 -----------"---------- Picasso - obvious - - -----"------ 3 -----------"---------- Charlie Haden - obvious - - -----"------ 4 -----------"---------- Matthias Hauer( who invented another new tonal system right around the time Schoenberg came up with dodecaphonic composing ) - - regarding - 5 it would have to be Mr. Mystery -:) - - -----"----- 6 -----------"----------- Richard Wagner -:) - - -----"----- 7 -----------"----------- Garcia Marquez - obvious though interesting, maybe better him than Xavier Marias - - -----"----- 8 -----------"----------- Ingeborg Bachmann ( would break his heart) michael from the other side of the pond m.harmssen@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:15:27 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Attention Dennis Leong!! Sorry for the bandwidth, everyone: Dennis Leong, I've been trying to e-mail you, and it keeps coming back! Please get in touch with me. Thanks!! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:16:34 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Your Record Thread/Firsts (SJC) Dear Friends, I've been amazed reading all the responses to the Your Record (Firsts) Poll Thread. The thread has elicited submissions from list stalwarts and novice lurkers as well. Posts have included personal insights which have spanned a full range of human experiences: sometimes funny, sometimes touching. I think two purposes have been served here: 1. I've built a catalog of music to consider as I expose my children to new(old) sounds, and even more important 2. We've shared some deeper piece of ourselves. The honesty and fearlessness with which many listers described their early listening experiences, their sources and motivations were displayed in forms which indeed paid tribute to the artist whose work this site is meant to discuss. We are a special group here, brought together and enriched by understanding and appreciation for the work and personal integrity of an artistic genius. Her example seems to have inspired us all individually and brought us to know each other a little better; the legacy of a great communicator. Thanks. CC _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:00:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Bird Subject: stream of consciousness joni lyric exercise Kindly forgive the frivolity of this message if you would, but I am bored out of my tiny skull here at work and need to amuse myself somehow. I thought I'd close my eyes and type out the first Joni lyric that came to mind. I then typed out, rapidly, one lyric that came to mind from each album. Not in any particular order, and not including MOA or S&L. I thought I'd share the results with the list because it seems to tell an intense, unreal little story. Formatted differently it could probably break down into an interesting dialogue between two entities (lovers, enemies, voices within one person). Nickel Chief "The rain retreats. The stars paid a light bill. They should have hired a hooker. A few drinks later you’re not so choosy. Don’t it leave you on the empty side? You could have been more than a name on the door. God is correcting you. He points a bony finger at you and says, “I don’t like you.” I can’t even hear the f*ckin’ music playin’. I love my Porsche. I’m losing my taste for fruit. Maybe it’s been too long a time since I was ramblin’ down in the street. I am up a sycamore. No one knows, they can never get that close. The conversation with the flying plates. A man could break both his legs. But let me be gentle with you." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:01:17 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: quiff@earthling.co.uk Subject: Re: dinner guests - --5602144.967575677450.JavaMail.nobody@www-a21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know how many of these you'll know but ... 1) Tom Baker 2) Morrissey 3) Joni 4) Nina Simone (possibly the beginning of a fight there) 5) Eddie Izzard 6) Graham Norton 7) My boyf 8) My distant penpal, Sarah Hadley - -Nick Your email address says a lot about you. Express yourself @ another.com http://another.com/jump.jsp?destDesc=another.com/login.jsp?sig=393 - --5602144.967575677450.JavaMail.nobody@www-a21-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:12:22 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests In a message dated 8/29/00 6:36:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: << 8. Rotating JMDL list members, (is that cheating?) >> Are there some of you out there who rotate? Once every 24 hours, like the Earth, or spinning on your own axis? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:21:20 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: 8 dinner guests Catered Tai food and a big tray of jays... 1. Joni Mitchell 2. John Lennon 3. Lord Buckley 4. Julia Butterfly 5. Ben Franklin 6. Sammy Davis Jr 7. Fiona Apple 8. Bill Hicks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:29:04 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: dinner guests 1. Joni Mitchell 2. Fred Neil 3. Pablo Picasso 4. Frank Lloyd Wright 5. Gertrude Stein 6. Paul Bowles 7. Harry Crosby 8. Vincent Van Gogh Still trying to work out the album thing- so long ago that I bought my 1st!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:36:13 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: (now Hejira) At 12:34 AM 8/29/00 -0700, Kakki wrote: >I can understand people having their particular favorites but can't quite >understand singling out one as the "best" when presented with such a vastly >incredible portfolio as Joni's. Hi Kakki, Hard as it was, I felt the task was to force myself to single out one album. I remember a thread from a few years ago to name your top 20 Joni songs. Impossible, I thought. How could I reduce Joni's superlative body of work down to 20 songs? Yet I dutifully went through all her albums, writing down favorites, and came up with about 60. Then, I painfully trimmed it to 40, then 20. But the hardest part was yet to come...ranking these 20 in order. When my list was complete I sat back with mixed feelings. It was stimulating to put that much effort into my own Joni list...it made me consider all these great songs and what they meant to me. Yet it was difficult and seemed dismissive to leave off so many great compositions. But in the end I realized that the exercise had increased my awareness of Joni's broad accomplishments as a singer-songwriter. So as difficult as it was to name just one album as the best, after much deliberation, I was able to settle upon that one. CMIARS. ;-) >I can't understand why an album where the >music takes a back seat could be considered her finest achievement. Although you could label virtually every Joni album "ground breaking" for me it is the solitary and hauntingly beautiful vibes from Hejira that makes this one such a standout. Joni had proven on both C&S and HOSL that she could use all kinds of neat studio tricks and tracks, but by paring down the layering, using a "less is more" approach, and writing some of the most deeply-moving and soul-grabbing lyrics ever, she created this masterpiece. It speaks to me profoundly. >Her musical genius has always been highly exceptional, too, and I >can't see how her lyrical achievements on Hejira can trump all of >her musical achievements, pre- and post-Hejira. I'm not trying to lessen any of her other accomplishments. In my mind the woman is an artistic genius without real peers. To belabor the point, though, it's about examining one's own feelings and saying "I think this ONE is her best." Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:37:50 +0100 From: "Steve Mitchell" Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests asked: > In a message dated 8/29/00 6:36:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MGVal@aol.com > writes: > > << 8. Rotating JMDL list members, (is that cheating?) >> > > Are there some of you out there who rotate? Once every 24 hours, like the > Earth, or spinning on your own axis? > > Paul I No, just particles of change, orbiting around the sun . . . . - -- Stevie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:37:50 +0100 From: "Steve Mitchell" Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests asked: > In a message dated 8/29/00 6:36:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MGVal@aol.com > writes: > > << 8. Rotating JMDL list members, (is that cheating?) >> > > Are there some of you out there who rotate? Once every 24 hours, like the > Earth, or spinning on your own axis? > > Paul I No, just particles of change, orbiting around the sun . . . . - -- Stevie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:39:04 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests In a message dated 8/29/00 3:37:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stevie.mitch@btinternet.com writes: << > << 8. Rotating JMDL list members, (is that cheating?) >> > > Are there some of you out there who rotate? Once every 24 hours, like the > Earth, or spinning on your own axis? > > Paul I No, just particles of change, orbiting around the sun . . . . -- Stevie >> I know, I know, and you can't help that point of view when you're always bound and tied to someone like the moon is to the Earth. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:53:59 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: my dinner guests I think this would be a fun group in spite of the fact that 6 of my guest are dead before they even touched the tofu! 1. Joni Mitchell 2. William Shakespeare 3. Gilda Radner 4. W. B. Yeats 5. Ella Fitzgerald 6. Robin Williams 7. Dorothy Parker 8. Louis Armstrong ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:55:34 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Fwd: Re: Record Thread Poll Sorry if this is old now but I was away over the weekend: 1. You owned: Revolver (with all the eyes colored red) 2. You bought: Aqualung, Jethro Tull 3. You remember parents playing: Herb Albert and Brazil '66 4. the cover art: Clouds 5. you played over and over: BLUE ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:41:38 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: my 8 dinner guests Here are my 8 dinner guests, although I'd really rather have 8 separate lunches over a cafe table, al fresco. 1. Carl Sagan 2. Joni 3. Claudia Schiffer 4. Woody Allen 5. Francis Ford Coppolla 6. Bruce Springsteen 7. Thomas Jefferson 8. Richard Pryor np: Sly and the Family Stone / There's A Riot Goin' On npimh 1: Joni doing "For Free" with a clarinet solo by Woody. npimh 2: Joni scatting behind the Boss doing "This Land Is Your Land". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:00:37 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: 8 Dinner Party Guests 1. Malcolm X 2. Gandhi 3. Joni 4. Toni Morrison 5. Madame Curie 6. Thomas Jefferson 7. Mozart 8. Matisse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:55:17 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Don's dinner...sjc Don wrote:"Unlike Kakki, I like my dinner parties lively. So with an eye firmly set on that goal: 1. Joni Mitchell 2. David Geffen 3. Jackson Browne 4. PJ O'Rourke 5. Brian Hinton 6. Don Henley 7. Madonna 8. George Will My dinner would be lively as well, including Kurt Vonnegut, PJ's (both O'rourke AND Harvey) and Laura Nyro (special menu required), but damn, this is a hotbed! You forgot to invit O.J.! -Chris NP:"Spinin' Wheel" -B,S, &T. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:01:49 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: Expressed anger M. Harmssen wrote:"> You know, I used to agree with the "neurotic" feel to this song. These past > 6 or 7 months, I've been developing a different take on it which goes a > little something like this: > > Perhaps the person is not neurotic at all. Perhaps Joni is the one with the > "problem" per se. In the song, she even says: "anyway the best of my mind all > goes down on the strings and the page." So with all of her talking, what is > she really saying that is intimate?" This is precisely what I was getting at when I started this thread (about "Talk To Me"). Her problem is leading her to be frustrated,and by the time we get to the "Is your silence THAT golden?" line, frustration has given birth to anger. -Chris NP:"Say You Love Me"-Fleetwood Mac (Would the oldies stations please STOP flogging this song?) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:13:27 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Covers Kakki wrote: "I enjoy others covers of the songs more than hearing Joni's performance on the album. Like Lahm's and Catgirl's Coyote sounds happy and wonderful to me, Paz's Song For Sharon and Hejira is just pure sweet beauty, Bryan Thomas' Black Crow knocks me out. But I'm getting there - " Kakki- Thank you SO much! This makes me so happy and I love having people like you to play for even more than having Joni there. I would NOT be able to perform in front of her especially since my covers lack the originality of a Brain Thomas or David Lahm. What Mr. Thomas is incorrect about in one of his Tape of You recordings that I heard is that Joni would probably hate MY versions of her songs and LOVE his. "Joni's gonna hate this!! Joni's gonna hate this!!" LOL. I hope will join in my chorus of angels on Song For Sharon (that is if Wally K will let you anywhere near a microphone). Counting the minutes. Michael NP-Amelia-Barbara Gaskin/Dave Stewart (HI BoB!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:56:45 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests Whoa Don, you'll have to ask Joni to smoke way outside - with the amount of psychic gasoline permeating this air. I would also substitute in Jann Wenner for George Will and just for old times sake, take out PJ and Henley and bring back Carly and Chrissie. ;-) I'd love a copy of the video when you get it ;-D Kakki > Unlike Kakki, I like my dinner parties lively. So > with an eye firmly set on that goal: > > 1. Joni Mitchell > 2. David Geffen > 3. Jackson Browne > 4. PJ O'Rourke > 5. Brian Hinton > 6. Don Henley > 7. Madonna > 8. George Will ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:16:00 +0200 From: m.harmssen@t-online.de (m.harmssen) Subject: Re: Expressed anger Christopher J. Treacy schrieb: > M. Harmssen wrote:"> You know, I used to agree with the "neurotic" feel > to this song. These past > > 6 or 7 months, I've been developing a different take on it which goes a > > > little something like this: > > > > Perhaps the person is not neurotic at all. Perhaps Joni is the one with > the > > "problem" per se. In the song, she even says: "anyway the best of my > mind all > > goes down on the strings and the page." So with all of her talking, > what is > > she really saying that is intimate?" > This is precisely what I was getting at when I started this thread (about > "Talk To Me"). Her problem is leading her to be frustrated,and by the > time we get to the "Is your silence THAT golden?" line, frustration has > given birth to anger. -Chris > NP:"Say You Love Me"-Fleetwood Mac (Would the oldies stations please STOP > flogging this song?) > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. hey chris, don't mess it up, the one you quote here is the one I did actually answer it was > I think this is indeed a very good point, my response to the lyrics along with the music always went the same direction, maybe even more in a direction like she's afraid of losing by not hearing herself talk, getting lost to a situation she can't anticipate < anyway a good point you're making michael m.harmssen@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:21:15 EDT From: Mg41mk34@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #347 I loved Thoroughbred. My sister got it when it came out and we were very close. She is a lot older than me and I guess I kinda had a crush on her when I was young...My sister not Carole King. She took the time with me, that my parents didn't at that time in my life. I still listen to that album and think of my sister. Not like that. Just that she was so good to me, and how much I worshiped her. Mike In Boston ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:37:21 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Guess who's coming to dinner? (SJC) As threads go, I'm really enjoying this one. I won't include those who have passed on from this world, as the choice would just be too mind-boggling! Lennon, Marley and MLK would probably feature, but I'm not a past-tense kind of person. So, the invites would go out to the following : Joni Mitchell - seated by an open window Paul McCartney Jodie Foster Alan Davies (UK stand-up comedian/actor) Tom Hanks Alyson Hannigan (Willow, from Buffy The Vampire Slayer) Graeme Le Saux (Chelsea footballer) Lindsay Davenport Those who just missed the cut - Steven Spielberg, Liam Neeson, Seal, Jenna Elfman (I don't want to faint or be overcome with lust!) and Neil Tennant - in case he turns up in one of those pointy hats or, worse, one of those fright-wigs :-) I can picture many JMDL-ers going a deeper shade of pale at this most bizarre collection! It would be *different*, to say the least :-) Now all I have to do is find the free time in my oh-so-hectic schedule... Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:17:02 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests (md) El Greco Anne Bradstreet John Brown Rodin Joni Mitchell Plato William Shakespeare Quincey Jones Food would be thought... - -Julius As if... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:40:09 CDT From: "Stormy Mance" Subject: Dinner and record polls First record I owned: Band on the Run Bought: Prince's Purple Rain Parents played: Carol King's Tapestry Cover Art: Ladies of the Canyon Played over and over: Michael Jackson's Thriller (with one glove on my hand and zippers all over my jacket) 8 Dinner Guests: 1. Joni Mitchell 2. Hunter Thompson 3. Madonna 4. The Dahli Llama 5. Jerry Garcia 6. Steve Bushemi 7. The Artist formerly known as Prince (i'd force that guy to eat so he can get some meat on his bones) 8. my friend Jemila Menu: Homemade perogies, dumplings, grilled portibello mushrooms, sausage and kraut, french onion soup, and for desert tirimisu Stormy _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:05:49 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Hejira Hello All- I find that I don't often contribute to the threads about Joni regarding what her music is about yet, I HAVE been following the thread about Hejira with great interest especially since Kakki is IN on the discussion. I have made it well known that For the Roses and Hejira are my top two Joni albums of all time and I feel Hejira is in the "second to none" category for me at this particular time. While both of these albums show a remarkable talent for lyric, melody and rhythm, I still am SO drawn to Hejira in so many ways I think (In my humble ass opinion) that For the Roses has alot of content that looks a life and love from a musicians standpoint (especially from the ever popular "Tortured Artist" aspect) {Hi Patrick and Todd). Hejira comes from a place that is more centralized to mass appeal. The word itself is about travelling which is something we can ALL relate to (I for instance am travelling in several vehicles this weekend to get away from my other life and be with people I love and sing and play music and drink and and and ....), whereas not all of us have taped our "regrets to the microphone stand". There is something about Hejira as opposed to FTR that draws more from the whole wide world, whereas For the Roses draws MORE from her position as a musician in the biz etc. I know if we sit here and nitpick it to death we can find the musician aspect in Hejira and the worldwide appeal in FTR, which means they are still both number one and I never half to pick between them again. Lets face it these two albums are brilliant, as is MOST of her work. What strikes me so often is her use of the tunings and shapes. To me this is the single most amazing thing that she has left behind for us to learn and grow with. The way she melded herself into that vary thing and then couple that with a brilliant heartfelt lyric sung in a high soprano or dark husky smoke stained voice. That kinda shit will drive me through the roof. The reason we all are here. *Please note that I am not representing that "I" know where MS. Mitchell is coming from or her spoken or unspoken intent here. I am merely giving you my view on why alot of us are drawn to Hejira for what it is. It's worldwide babe, global, know what I sayin'? Rambling on, Michael P.S. I can't wait for the Cameron Crowe (MD) of the jmdl to do his reviews of FTR and Hejira. Should prove to be captivating stuff! NP-NOTHING! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:41:36 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests Paul I wrote: > Are there some of you out there who rotate? Sure if you're a payin' customer ;~) > spinning on your own axis? Sure feels that way sometimes - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) HARLEY PARKING ONLY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:41:24 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: 8 dinner guests My eight guests would be: Ellen Laura Nyro Dusty Springfield Joni Mitchell Julie Larson Wally Breese Simon Jody and Scott Ferron kidlang Willie Nelson My late father Bob Dylan Melissa Etheridge Jackson Browne James Taylor Paul McCartney Georgia O'keeffe Don MacLean Don Henley Don Rowe Paninni Cat Stevens Princess Anne Camilla Parker Bowles Princes Di The Dali Lama Madonna Chrissie Hynde Elton John Crosby Nash Stills Young That Russian on Prozac ;~) and my agency Can't we just invite the world? On these rare occasions who can count?...so spank me ;~D Don Rowe wrote about his dinner party: > And now, if you'll excuse me, I'm feeling a sudden > urge to throw plastic covers over ... everything! ;-) Everything?! I know it's risky but some things are just better uncovered darlin' ;~) - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) HARLEY PARKING ONLY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:39:29 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: 8 dinner guests 1. Woody Allen 2. Philip Glass 3. Vanessa Redgrave 4. Hortense Calisher 5. Kazuo Ishiguro 6. Pablo Neruda 7. Jeff Bridges 8. Joan Cusack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:18:53 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: RLJ's Dinner Party Guests In a message dated 8/29/00 12:22:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, willy100@indosat.net.id writes: << Jesus Hitler Howard Hughes _____________________________ Joni l The Table l Willy the Shake __________is laden high_________ Charlie Chaplin Bergman Martha >> How could anyone want to invite that murderous liar Adolf Hitler to a civilized dinner party? What kind of a person are you? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:36:42 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Hejira Mr. Paz opined: >While both of these albums show a remarkable talent >for lyric, melody and rhythm, I still am SO drawn to Hejira in >so many ways I think (In my humble ass opinion) that For >the Roses has alot of content that looks a life and love from >a musicians standpoint (especially from the ever popular >"Tortured Artist" aspect) Hejira comes from a place that is >more centralized to mass appeal. O.K. I see that is it somewhat more accessible than her other albums in overall tone. We've all had and can identify with Hejiras in our life - my first one, where I was starting to feel a little too world-weary, happened in my late 20s (and did not result in such fine poetry as Joni's ;-) But it seems that to call it her greatest somehow freezes her in time at that point. After my "hejira" and transcendence or making peace with certain phases in my life, I did not stay some calm, wise, existentialistic, able-to-transcend everything sophisticate. Rather, I later entered my second adolescence of seeing life in a fresh and new way again. (I'm in my fourth adolescence now). And isn't that what Joni did to some extent? Next stop - Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and then make an immediate left to Mingus? I've gone back over the past week and re-read the lyrics in Hejira. Joni's lyrics have always branded themself right into me. Maybe I take the lyrics too seriously, but read them and then tell me that almost every song doesn't end on a sort of down, sad or somewhat futile note. In FTR she expresses strong extremes of emotion, cynicism and despair, also, yet there is an underlying passion in the lyrics and music throughout that album where you feel that even though she has been through the fire, she still has a burning flame going. On the other hand, Hejira leaves me with the feeling that she has rejected the flame, doused or abandoned it completely and prefers the coolness of the ice now. But that wasn't really her, not completely, not forever, as evidenced in much later albums. The old flame became doused, but the smolders relit again a bit in DJRD. She then began to thaw out next to others' flames (Mingus, Larry Klein). Then, as Marcel indicated, after a long thaw, one day we saw the old flame start to flicker again in NRH, and become a full-blown forest fire in TI ;-) Kakki NP - and wallowing in deliriously ;-) - The Byrds box set ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #348 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?