From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #344 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, August 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 344 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Coyote - why a defector? (md) ["Kakki" ] Re: Lahm's Coyote ["Kakki" ] Re: Re:While we're on the subject of BSN... ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Coyote (now Hejira) ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: Ribbons [Susan McNamara ] Re: Ribbons [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Coyote (now Hejira) (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Old Lady of the Year [Steve Dulson ] Re: Does anyone have any Joni bootlegs to trade? ["Lance Parauka" ] CDr trading ["Eric Wilcox" ] Re: At Last [Kenny Grant ] Re: popular vs. passionate [B Merrill ] Touring ["Eric Wilcox" ] Re: Touring [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] The Arrangement Lyric Question [Emmy M Burns ] Re: The Arrangement Lyric Question ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: Old Lady of the Year ["Kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #464 [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Upcoming New England Joni-fest [AsharaJM@aol.com] lyrics to "talk to me" ["Michael Bird" ] Omni-something is our Joni ["william" ] Stoning the Grinch [Slac ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:21:24 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Coyote - why a defector? (md) Marcel, There's a lot to chew on here and you've hit on some interesting points: > When I look at the works prior to Hissing I see MOA which >is a live album and before that all the cool early albums well >before she embarced on the radical trails that would come >later. Hissing of course is very very different than anything >before it. Hejira at the same time is different than anything >AFTER it. Yet it is an album in tone and feel that is closer >than what came before Hissing than after Hejira. (are you >following this?) Yes. While we could say that each of Joni's albums stand alone to some extent, Hejira is distinctly difficult to trace to any prior origins, or to be referenced as an origin for subsequent works. Even some of her later more distinctive albums, such as DJRD, Mingus and DED, can be traced or linked, at least musically, to some of the others. Hejira is a relative to none and is sort of her "alien" child ;-) >My guess is that she could be talking about relationships but >if she is it is my guess that she is talking about that in >conjunction with her music. Hejira sits at he crossroads of >her career. The point at which she could never turn back. >She doesnt return to this "mood" or style for another 7 >albums in Night Ride Home. I think you are on to something here and look forward to your insight into this "riddle" that I have also always wondered about. > Furthermore, based on the impressions I picked up from >DED she began with Hejira a future metamorphosis into the >creation of the LAMM. Do you think that the "L.A. Music Mafia" was created or came into prominence in the mid 1970s? How did this happen, I wonder? The music biz in L.A. prior to that time gave us all the early Joni, plus much of the most innovative and fantastic music of the half century. The list is way to long to recite. I have always thought that most of the music that came out starting in the mid-70s was more manufactured or slick and less interesting than the music in the period that had just preceeded it. Long before the L.A. biz got well-established, the biz in New York, Philadelphia and Detroit had a tradition of dictating to the artists for the most part. How did that come to happen in L.A.? The large corporate buy-outs? The changing of some guard? Too much cash, drugs, burn-out? >I think (and have felt) that the reference to Amelia Erhardt is >a direct reference to herself. here was a woman competing in >what was known to be strictly the realm of men. In trying to >set a universal record of achievement in this field she died. >While Joni didnt die the refrence to Icarus is a closer >analogy. In trying to reach the heavens her wings burned up >and she crashed to earth. Pretty clear metaphor if you ask >me. I also feel that she is referring to herself and the analogy to Earhart may go deeper than appears on the surface. > I am currently working on a chronology of this and will >post >it soon. It promises to be thought provoking. I'm sure it will be and am looking forward to it! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:52:51 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Lahm's Coyote Chris wrote to Lahm: > And it must really be great to play it so well! Your "Coyote" >is so playfully done - easily my favorite on the "Jazz >Takes..." effort. Bravo, David! I'll take this moment to say >Thank You. - Yes, Lahm gives us a happy and delightful Coyote!! Hearing his, and many other jmdlers, takes has really enhanced my appreciation of many of Joni's songs. Often, it is like hearing them anew for me. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:15:31 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Re:While we're on the subject of BSN... Rose wrote: >While I was shopping at Annie Sez a few weeks ago I heard Bonnie Raitt's >version of At Last. She Rocks!!! I searched a few of her webpages to see if I >could locate the album this song was on, but to no avail. Can any of you >music sluts help me out here?? Bob Muller??? I've got all of Bonnie "official" recordings, ie. no bootlegs, and At Last doesn't appear on any of them. I think Bob may be right, in that it's a new disc, or an early release? Speaking of Bonnie, I was browsing her website today, and saw the following from on on-line chat with her, back in January: Question: Bonnie, is there anyone in particular that you would like to collaborate with? Bonnie: I've been so lucky to have played with most of my heroes and favorite musicians. Keith Richards is someone I would love to work with, and we are talking about something down the line. I'd love to work with Joni Mitchell, Randy Newman, and a whole host of soul and blues singers. Now that would be a "must buy" for me! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:31:23 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Ribbons "Is your silence that golden? Are you comfortable in it? Is it the key to your freedom, or is it the bars on your prison? Are you gagged by your ribbons? Are you really exclusive, or just miserly? You spend every sentence as if it was marked currency!" Someone offered these lines as an example of well expressed anger. I agree, but what does the line "Are you gagged by your ribbons?" mean? All ideas welcome, Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:31:57 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: Lyrics This brings up the (to me) fascinating subject of Joni's referencing earlier work in her songs...I have always been fascinated with artists (and Joni in particular) using references to earlier work in new things. My favorite example of this is in "My Secret Place", where she says "Out of all of the girls that you see in bleachers and cafe windows..." which always brought back memories of "Blonde in the Bleachers" and "The Last Time I Saw Richard." Maybe she meant to subtly reference these songs, maybe she didn't. But the line definitely brought my memory back to that place. I love that. I had not ever thought of the Cactus Tree connection...that's neat. Reuben np: Hejira >>> "Mark or Travis" 08/24/00 Another image that Joni uses more than once is the cactus tree. In the song of that name on STAS and in the line from 'Amelia' about the Cactus Tree Motel. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:45:04 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: Coyote (now Hejira) I suppose Hejira is self-absorbed...I don't tend to think of it that way. I guess I try not to take every line that Joni writes as a direct reference to herself...although I do tend to think that Hejira is about at personal as she gets. Perhaps it is the time in life when I first heard Hejira, or maybe I'm just a little more fond of meloncholy, but Hejira has always been Joni's most important record to me. The soundscapes are so bleak, but complicated at the same time, and the whole record is filled with those wonderful background vocals that sound kind of like whale songs and children (to me anyway.) A friend of mine who has been an opera singer for 40 years told me once about a process of sort of soul-healing that she practiced when going through difficult times in life. She called it "keening" (I don't know if it was a concept that she came up with herself, or a method to which she subscribed...) It involved meditating and expressing and releasing sorrow, anguish, or pain in general in low moans and repetitive vocal sounds. She claimed it released the pain in a positive way. As she described this, I immediately thought of the background vocals of Hejira... Just a thought. (The list mail is good today! I need to get to work...) Reuben np: Hejira >>> "Mark or Travis" 08/24/00 09:08PM >>> Hissing of course is very very > different than anything before it. Hejira at the same time is different than > anything AFTER it. Yet it is an album in tone and feel that is closer than > what came before Hissing than after Hejira. (are you following this?) I am. I've always thought that 'Hejira' was less musically adventurous than Hissing or Don Juan or even Court and Spark and therefore less interesting. It is more sophisticated than the records that came before Hissing but aside from Jaco, I could never see what was particularly new or innovative about it. Also, although the poetry is lovely and full of wonderful insights, I think Hejira is a totally self-absorbed work. Joni on Joni. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing. Autobiography can be fascinating and with Joni it certainly is. But personally I'm glad she has progressed out of being strictly a confessional songwriter and broadened her horizons a bit. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:44:30 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Ribbons >but what does the line "Are you gagged by your ribbons?" mean? >All ideas welcome, >Jacky I always thought she was talking about typewriter ribbons...maybe saying that as a writer this person puts all his words in his art and doesn't save them for meaningless conversation. I guess I thought this because I always get the impression that this song is being sung to another artist or writer she respects and wants approval from. sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:02:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Ribbons <> Boy, what a brilliant line that is...She talks about silence being 'golden', like it's a good thing, like a gift wrapped with bows and pretty paper and ribbons. But she then questions the duality of the whole thing, reiterating that the "golden gift" of silence is a prison, a confining thing. SO the ribbons are NOT a part of a gift, but rather a gag on communication and understanding... That's my take on it anyway... Bob NP: Dave Matthews, "Lie In Our Graves" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:21:31 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Coyote (now Hejira) (md) In a message dated 8/25/00 6:56:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, RPBell@newchurch.edu writes: << It involved meditating and expressing and releasing sorrow, anguish, or ! pain in general in low moans and repetitive vocal sounds. >> So THATS what my girlfriend in college was doing. (rimshot) marcel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:37:59 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Old Lady of the Year Hello all! At the gentle urging of Darice and Irish Philip, I descended once more into the land of Sprites and spiders, AKA my garage, and discovered: Rolling Stone, 2/4/71, issue number 75, page 44: Old Lady of the Year: Joni Mitchell (for her friendships with David Crosby, Steve Stills, Graham Nash, Neil Young, James Taylor. et al.) It is accompanied by a tiny photo of Joni and Stills. This was a particularly waggish "end of year" issue - Joe Cocker got "Guitar Player of the Year" and David Crosby was one of the "Couples of the Year". I still haven't found the chart they supposedly published of all her romantic entanglements. Any ideas? I *think* RS published a chart showing all the LA bands' musical connections around the time the Eagles got big. Wonder if it was part of that? - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:55:45 -0700 From: "Lance Parauka" Subject: Re: Does anyone have any Joni bootlegs to trade? >I guess that means I won't be burning you a copy of >the mixing board back-up tapes from the "Dog Eat Dog" >sessions -- even though there's this really cool >argument, at the end of which Joni knocks Dolby and >Klein's heads together -- decides it sounds really >cool, samples it into the Fairlight CMI and uses it as >the congas patch on "Ethiopia"? ;-) > >Don Rowe > >THIS IS A JOKE -- I HAVE NO SUCH RECORDING ... ... being new to the list I was sort of wondering the same thing. Though, i'm pretty much a fan of anything Ms. Mitchell does. I was curious... has anyone started a database of her live recordings that are in circulation? I come from the Dead/Phish/Jamband camp and it's unbelievable how much there live music is not only traded but kept track of as well. So basically, is their a Joni archivist out there? TIA ~lance~ - ------------------------------------------------------------ http://byke.com - Free email, BMX links, Music, Art & Culture and much more ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:46:09 -0600 From: Alison Subject: Re: no joni content > From: "star sailor" > > > off topic: i'm looking for some native american indian music...i dont even > know where to begin. (please not buffy...i have a lot of her stuff already) > > > any suggestions? email private to me so this doesnt clog up your digest. > > thank you all. > > now playing: CAT POWER (i recommend it) hello, star sailor (cool tag...) i would suggest you run, not walk, to get John Trudell's latest album called Blue Indians. It is great, and Jackson Browne makes a guest appearance as well. It is well worth it. Also, you might want to check out the soundtrack to one of my altime favorite movies, Smoke Signals. It is beatiful from beginning to end! at the public radio station where i volunteer, we have several native hosted and native focus programs. they play a variety of music, and if you have specific questions about native music or artists, i could give you the email of one of the hosts and they would certainly be more help. > now playing: CAT POWER (i recommend it) I agree! it's a very cool recording. welcome, and take care. alison e. in slc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:08:19 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: CDr trading Hi everyone! I know that there are a lot of newbies out here looking to get some Joni recordings on CDr. I've been a part of a tree many times while distributing some Tori Amos recordings. I'd be happy to mini-tree a few recordings for some of the new listers. In the meantime, I'm very excited about getting some Joni shows... So drop me a line and we can work something out in trade. thanks so much! eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:11:28 +0000 From: Kenny Grant Subject: Re: At Last Hi Byron, I did a quick search at CD NOW and found that "At Last" has been recorded by several dozen recording artists over the years. In terms of "ownership," this song was written by Gordon/Warren (couldn't find first names.) It's long been a "signature song" of Etta James, whose version is indeed splendid. While I have some CDs by the artists you mentioned below, none contain "At Last," so I haven't had the privilidge of hearing them...yet. Still, I think Joni's version is sublime (hey, I'm on this list, right?") Joni obviously claims "ownership" of the many (nearly 200) songs she's written. But when it comes to "ownership" of a cover, that's muddy water, cause it's totally subjective. Bryan Thomas, an excellent musician in his own right and member of this list, chose Joni's "At Last" as the first dance at his wedding. There are other excellent musicians on this list - and non-msicians, like myself. Some will say that so-and-so's version is "best" but again, it's all subjective. Personally, it's one of my favorite songs on BSN, and I agree that Joni does one hell of a job with it - stylistically. Best, -Kenny byron bentley wrote: > Joni Mitchell, Phoebe Snow, Stevie Nicks, Bonnie Raitt, Jimmy Scott and > so many others have great versions of At Last. Each one of them brings > new flavor to an amazing song. While none of the above takes on At Last > should be missed, especially Phoebe Snow, At Last = Etta James. I'll > admit though, I would kick any of the others if they got between me and > Joni. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:41:59 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: popular vs. passionate >There is no question that Joni's largest audience was for her most accessible >albums -- Court and Spark mostly, but also For the Roses and Blue. >When she returned to doing the music that pleased herself -- particularly >DJRD, but also Hissing, Hejira and Mingus -- her audience stayed with her >previous albums or went on to other music. >There's nothing wrong with suggesting to a musician who wants to make money >that he or she write songs that people will like and pay money for. But it's not only for the sake of money, or money alone, that someone might chose to write in an accessible manner. It would also be for the *power* that it confers (to negotiate with record execs, concert producers, etc. Also for the sake of playing before a larger audience. It may well be that Joni has enough money to live the kind of material existence she enjoys, and yet would still want to have a large audience for other reasons. Not wanting to only rely upon a smaller following who go for her more esoteric efforts. Maintaining her status as a "major draw," so that she can chat with Don Henley, et al as a peer? Bruce M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:44:38 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: Touring Hi everyone. So, being a pretty new Joni fan-- I missed seeing here on the BSN tour. Prior to that tour-- when did she tour last? Does Joni regularly tour to support her newest projects or only select shows in select cities? Do we think we'll see another tour in the near future or no? Just curious. :) eric NP:JM - Court and Spark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:33:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Touring <> Prior to the BSN tour, she toured in the fall of '98. I was lucky enough to see her in Atlanta on 11/7, her birthday no less! All the detail about that tour is on JoniMitchell.com, if you have Web access go check it out! Great reviews, pictures, setlists, etc. Lots of those shows were recorded, shared, treed, etc. Let me know if you're interested in hearing any of them! <> Well, she certainly doesn't do any "Springsteen-ish" 18-month long odyssees, but she HAS done 2 major city tours in the last 2 years, so we can be grateful for that! <> Obviously, I hope so, my bet is she's going to retreat and work on her next project...I'd be surprised if she tours it, but then again, I'm surprised every day! :~) Bob NP: Edwin McCain, "Jesters, Dreamers, and Thieves" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:19:33 -0700 From: Emmy M Burns Subject: The Arrangement Lyric Question Hey Don and everyone else, Since you brought up the Arrangement, I thought it was a fine time to ask the question to anyone who has any ideas about the meaning of the line "More than a consumer lying in some room trying to die." I hum it all the time and then one day realized I wasn't quite sure of the meaning. Anyone willing to take a stab at it? Emmy NP: Jeff Buckley, Hallelujah ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:26:03 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: The Arrangement Lyric Question I think she's referring to the mundanity of consumerism, and the death of creativity and individualism. She seems to be saying that to be a person in modern society is simply waiting around to die...no creativity, and no individual importance. No substance. Reuben >>> Emmy M Burns 08/25/00 03:19PM >>> Hey Don and everyone else, Since you brought up the Arrangement, I thought it was a fine time to ask the question to anyone who has any ideas about the meaning of the line "More than a consumer lying in some room trying to die." I hum it all the time and then one day realized I wasn't quite sure of the meaning. Anyone willing to take a stab at it? Emmy NP: Jeff Buckley, Hallelujah ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:13:45 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Old Lady of the Year At last!! Bravo, Steve!!! > Rolling Stone, 2/4/71, issue number 75, page 44: > > Old Lady of the Year: Joni Mitchell (for her friendships with > David Crosby, Steve Stills, Graham Nash, Neil Young, >James Taylor. et al.) Wow, so they laid this on her as early as '71?! How dare they strike at the core of her close friendships at the time. Now I'm getting pissed off!! I don't blame her for being very hurt and insulted at this crass dig. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:10:25 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #464 In a message dated 24/08/00 08:33:32 GMT Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Hiya - lurker here, trying to unlurk. It's quite difficult to keep up because the topics change so fast. But the list is a fantastic bunch - and it's great to 'hear' people talking about Joni (I'm a teenager in London and nobody's really heard of her here). >> Well hello Quiff! Another Londoner here, though my teenage years are long since past. Depending on how long you've been on the list, you may know that there are a few more Londoners here, like Martin, Jamie, Raffaele, Gerry and Paul (Paul Castle, that is - is he still around?). I haven't had that many Joni moments around recently, other than the fact that Hejira is buzzing around my head a lot at the moment, partly thanks to the Favourite Lyrics thread. Oh well, Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:45:01 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Upcoming New England Joni-fest Loren wrote: << Ashara, is it too late to send a donation for the web site and to be entered in the door prize drawings? >> It is NOT too late, but the check MUST get to me by Friday in order to be in the drawing. There are some absolutely fantastic items this year, including a LOT of out-of-print Joni items! If you'd like to be a part of this, send a check in any amount, payable to Les Irvin to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 01:38:09 -0500 From: "Michael Bird" Subject: lyrics to "talk to me" I'd like to stick up for "Talk to Me" and interpret it as a smart, playful song full of teasing and good humor rather than anger. Joni's anger comes across with vitriol in so many other songs -- "No Apologies" comes to mind, as do "The Windfall" and "Number One" not to mention the political stuff from DED. These excellent verses in "Talk to Me" poking a finger at The Silent One are delivered in a conversational, energetic tone, as if to a frustrating friend -- she precedes the lines quoted below with a couple of silly jokes (the giggly "Willy the Shake") and actually laughs at the end after the wonderful "chicken squawkin'" (a great contrast to Hejira's wistful "chicken scratchin'"). The musical arrangement on this track, too, is rollicking and good-natured. I think she's only teasing, playfully calling a friend to task for being difficult. It's not until later that the cart is upset, during "Jericho," when she reflects on the disappointments involved in friendship, "when you just can no longer pretend that you're getting what you need." Nickel Chief > "Is your silence that golden? > Are you comfortable in it? > Is it the key to your freedom, > or is it the bars on your prison? > Are you gagged by your ribbons? > Are you really exclusive, or just miserly? > You spend every sentence as if it was > marked currency!" > > Someone offered these lines as an example of well expressed anger. I agree, > but what does the line "Are you gagged by your ribbons?" mean? > All ideas welcome, > Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:34:20 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Omni-something is our Joni Like old Crusoe Butterscotch Half a million Frying pan Elephant ivories Full length mink Paint a Starry Night again Vain promises Store front mannequin Tenth floor balcony The cock-eyed plan Here endeth ...... Joni Mitchell's words are omni-something in my life. A word, a line, a stanza, whatever, conjures up, oftener than daily, a propensity to hum out loud. Favourite lyrics to me is like asking me what my favourite oxygen is. I breathe Joni's work and gasp. Sans doute ichi ban tsuki desu (just for our Japanese listers). The generals offered no apologies. What does that mean? Good friends you and me. Willy the Shake NP - and hearing new bits in Cold Blue Steel. Such a difference between loud music and music being played loud. Does it really matter? Almost in tears listening to this. Down the dark ladder. Come with me I know the way. Here comes Barangrill. Till I get back from the therapist. I gotta talk about my eyelids being painted green. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:59:29 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Stoning the Grinch Pat wrote: > 1. i think it would really cool to watch the grinch who stole > christmas...stoned. maybe smoke a bong with some apricot brandy Sounds great to me! When are ya pickin' me up? ;~D On a more serious note: How does getting stoned affect your perception? How does it make you feel? For myself, the world is rose misting horny and I have an appetite for everything...well, almost everything :~D I bet the Grinch has never smoked! - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) HARLEY PARKING ONLY ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #344 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?