From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #336 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, August 19 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 336 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Choosing Your Next Joni [Slac ] Re: Coyote - why a defector? [Slac ] facelift ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: Comfort in melancholy ["Helen M. Adcock" ] they're here! [catman ] Re: Search for a Joni favorite movie [Deb Messling ] Re: Hinton etc [Dmascall@aol.com] Re: facelift ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Comfort in melancholy [Susan McNamara ] Re: Comfort in melancholy [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Comfort in melancholy [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Comfort in melancholy [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Comfort in melancholy [Alison ] which song [catman ] Re: which song ["Reuben Bell" ] RE: Comfort in melancholy + sets of waves ["Eric Wilcox" ] Re: facelift [susan+rick ] Re: which song [susan+rick ] Re: facelift [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Comfort in melancholy [Don Rowe ] Re: Comfort in melancholy [dsk ] Bread and Roses, 9/4/78 [Mark Domyancich ] Nobody's playing Joni anymore ! ["Steve" ] Joni Lyric Game ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] (no subject) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Azeem's back! [AzeemAK@aol.com] Sure, that seems appropriate........ ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] which song 2 [catman ] Re: which song 2 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Nobody's playing Joni anymore ! [Mark Domyancich ] Re: which song 2 ["Steve Mitchell" ] [none] ["c Karma" ] I guess if we are getting Lyrical... hee hee ["Blair Fraipont" ] which song 3 [catman ] which song 4 [catman ] Stills Voice ["Kate Bennett" ] joni's biography in the 80's???? ["Christopher J. Treacy" ] Re: which song 3 ["Steve Mitchell" ] Re: which song ["Steve Mitchell" ] "Trouble Child" [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: "Trouble Child" [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Favorite lyrics (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Elvis and Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Favorite lyrics [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: which song [catman ] Re: Did Joni write a biography in the 1980's? [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] joni moment [catman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:13:26 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: Choosing Your Next Joni Jim the man wrote, > By the way (BTW), I'd recommend the Shadows and Light video but not the > Painting With Words and Music video. It's for completists. IMHO. Whaddaya mean? Extrapulate please ;~) - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) HARLEY PARKING ONLY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:16:26 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: Coyote - why a defector? Good Question Mark!!! :~) I see her as defecting from being "...broken in churches and schools and molded to middle class circumstance..." She's defecting to escorting ;~) One might as well make a living at something one enjoys > To me the word > defector implies leaving one side to join the other Exactly! Joni, say you forgive me: I just couldn't resist - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) HARLEY PARKING ONLY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:01:05 GMT From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: facelift I was listening to Facelift the other day (and yesterday, and today...) and what leaves me a bit puzzled about the lyrics is the idea of "middle-aged" Joni confronting her mother with such words about flirting with "middle-aged" Donald. To me, those words might sound more appropriate for a teenager... And, BTW, why Joni's mother would disapprove of her love story with Donald? Raffaele (London) - almost middle-aged... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:09:09 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy Bob wrote: >I gotta cast a vote for: > >"In our possessive coupling >So much could not be expressed >So now I am returning to myself >These things that you & I suppressed" > >Hejira...the finest song on the finest album ever... And my 50c worth (it's Joni so it's worth much more than 2c): We all come and go unknown Each so deep and superficial Between the forceps and the stone and from ROTR: In a highway service station Over the month of June Was a photograph of the earth Taken coming back from the moon And you couldn't see a city On that marbled bowling ball Or a forest or a highway Or me here least of all The word genius just doesn't seem adequate enough, does it! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:51:21 +0100 From: catman Subject: they're here! The Mendel Book and the poster arrived this morning! Haven't had a chance to look yet as too busy bathing Brad. The cover is wonderful though. I l,.ove Joni's TI painting. - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:39:24 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Search for a Joni favorite movie I have always assumed she was referring to "Celebration at Big Sur," which used to re-run frequently on the NY syndication channels. It's a concert film featuring a couple of songs from Joni. One of the songs she sings is "Get Together," which certainly represents "old ideals." I could imagine Joni breaking down and crying while watching her younger self howl that song. At 01:08 PM 8/17/00 -0400, you wrote: ><< "Last night the ghost of > my old ideals reran on Channel 5." >> Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:22:41 EDT From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Re: Hinton etc Hi. I'd cede that point, especially as I haven't read the book and don't know the exact content. I do know there are too few music books around which do a good job of representing their subject matter - I'm sorry if the Hinton book falls into that category. Sometimes , though, even "bad" books can stimulate interest in someone who comes new to the artist or subject - I guess that that was my main point, though it's not a justification for poor research or inaccuracy. David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:34:33 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: facelift To me, those words might sound more appropriate for a > teenager... you're only as young as you feel... And, BTW, why Joni's mother would disapprove of her love story with Donald? > Raffaele (London) - almost middle-aged... Mothers often don't need to search very hard for a reason to disapprove of something. It doesn't have to make any sense. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:57:39 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy >Bob wrote: > > >I gotta cast a vote for: > > > >"In our possessive coupling > >So much could not be expressed > >So now I am returning to myself > >These things that you & I suppressed" > > > >Hejira...the finest song on the finest album ever... > >And my 50c worth (it's Joni so it's worth much more than 2c): > >We all come and go unknown >Each so deep and superficial >Between the forceps and the stone > we're only particles of change I know I know orbiting around the sun But how can I have that point of view when I'm always bound and tied to someone white flags of winter chimneys waving truce against the moon in the mirror of a modern bank from the window of my motel room and another one from STS (same masterpiece album Hejira) And the power of reason And the flowers of deep feeling Seem to serve me Only to deceive me Maybe she was reading the cloud of unknowing when she wrote this stuff. beautifully agonizing. sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:58:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy <> Really, the entire song is unprecedented brilliance from start to finish; an apex that may never again be equalled. It's like Elvis Costello said of "Scarlett"...many songwriters would kill to be able to write just one couplet as good as any of these, and she's got a song full of them... Bob NP: Led Zeppelin, "You Shook Me" from BBC Sessions ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:31:45 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy In a message dated 8/17/00 11:30:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Hejira...the finest song on the finest album ever... >> I have to agree with you here Bob. Hejira is Joni at her most poetic. The raw emotion in this song has always hit a raw nerve in me--I feel as if Joni had a window into my soul and wrote about it. But who among us hasn't felt this sometime with one of her songs? Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:41:50 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy SMEBD@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/17/00 11:30:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > > << Hejira...the finest song on the finest album ever... >> > > I have to agree with you here Bob. Hejira is Joni at her most poetic. The > raw emotion in this song has always hit a raw nerve in me--I feel as if Joni > had a window into my soul and wrote about it. I had the same feeling, but it was with For the Roses. Jerry :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:50:44 -0600 From: Alison Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy for some reason, these lines have always enchanted me... and the song itself is so vivid and crisp: "a helicopter lands on the pan am roof like a dragonfly on a tomb" everytime i hear it it conjures up images of new york and businessmen in buttondowns, and the rest; there are so many stories just within that one song. and i love to put in this one, and sing it VERY loudly: what a strange strange boy i gave him clothes and jewlery i gave him my warm body i gave him power over me... i'll leave that last one without comment, thank you very much. ;-) alison e. in slc > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Reply-To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:58:15 EDT > To: > Cc: > Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy > > < waving truce against the moon > in the mirror of a modern bank > from the window of my motel room>> > > Really, the entire song is unprecedented brilliance from start to finish; an > apex that may never again be equalled. > > It's like Elvis Costello said of "Scarlett"...many songwriters would kill to > be able to write just one couplet as good as any of these, and she's got a > song full of them... > > Bob > > NP: Led Zeppelin, "You Shook Me" from BBC Sessions > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:25:12 +0100 From: catman Subject: which song I was drying Brad after his bath, brushing his tail and these words came to my mind 'brushing on a brood mare's tail' or 'hanging on a brood mare's tail'. I can hear the line sung clearly but cannot for the life of me think which song it is. (i hope it is a Joni song!!!) - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:22:36 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: which song "You'll be brushing out a brood mare's tail, while the sun is ascending, and I'll just be getting home with my reel-to-reel, there's no comprehending..." Coyote, Catman! (Nice to see you again!) Reuben >>> catman 08/18/00 12:25PM >>> I was drying Brad after his bath, brushing his tail and these words came to my mind 'brushing on a brood mare's tail' or 'hanging on a brood mare's tail'. I can hear the line sung clearly but cannot for the life of me think which song it is. (i hope it is a Joni song!!!) - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:24:26 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: RE: Comfort in melancholy + sets of waves I love the drangonfly line. Its always stuck out for me in the song. I also agree that "A Strange Boy" has some great lyrics. I've always liked this part: "He asked me to be patient... Well I failed. 'Grow Up!' I cried. And as the smoke was clearing, he said 'Give me one good reason why.'" but that's all just building up to the next wonderful pair of lines: "What a strange, strange boy... He sees the cars as sets of waves." Sequences of mass and space. He sees the damage in my face." I just love it. Why, oh why, did she not ever perform this song live? Its such a masterpiece. eric - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Alison Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:51 AM To: jmdl Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy for some reason, these lines have always enchanted me... and the song itself is so vivid and crisp: "a helicopter lands on the pan am roof like a dragonfly on a tomb" everytime i hear it it conjures up images of new york and businessmen in buttondowns, and the rest; there are so many stories just within that one song. and i love to put in this one, and sing it VERY loudly: what a strange strange boy i gave him clothes and jewlery i gave him my warm body i gave him power over me... i'll leave that last one without comment, thank you very much. ;-) alison e. in slc > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Reply-To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:58:15 EDT > To: > Cc: > Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy > > < waving truce against the moon > in the mirror of a modern bank > from the window of my motel room>> > > Really, the entire song is unprecedented brilliance from start to finish; an > apex that may never again be equalled. > > It's like Elvis Costello said of "Scarlett"...many songwriters would kill to > be able to write just one couplet as good as any of these, and she's got a > song full of them... > > Bob > > NP: Led Zeppelin, "You Shook Me" from BBC Sessions > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:30:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: which song The line is from one of my very favorite Joni songs... Coyote. - --- catman wrote: > I was drying Brad after his bath, brushing his tail > and these words came > to my mind 'brushing on a brood mare's tail' or > 'hanging on a brood > mare's tail'. I can hear the line sung clearly but > cannot for the life > of me think which song it is. (i hope it is a Joni > song!!!) > > -- > why are they called apartments when they are all > stuck together? > http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html > http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:55:24 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: facelift Victor Johnson posted: >> To me, those words might sound more appropriate for a >> teenager... > > you're only as young as you feel... >> And, BTW, why Joni's mother would disapprove of her love story with Donald? >> Raffaele (London) - almost middle-aged... > > Mothers often don't need to search very hard for a reason to disapprove of > something. It doesn't have to make any sense. > > Victor For an insight into Joni's relationship with her mother, consider this: Joni originally had planned to exhibit the painting of her and Donald French-kissing (or whatever they were doing), at the Mendel in Saskatoon. Her mother however said that she didn't think it was a good idea to display that painting in Saskatoon. Joni very dutifully decided to exhibit the innocuous "Red Mountain" instead, a painting that an elderly mother would approve of. Myrtle may have originally introduced Joni to Donald but, if anything, I'm sure she was hoping for *Wedding Bells*, not a long-distance sex-out-of-wedlock relationship. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:06:24 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: which song catman posted: > I was drying Brad after his bath, brushing his tail and these words came > to my mind 'brushing on a brood mare's tail' or 'hanging on a brood > mare's tail'. I can hear the line sung clearly but cannot for the life > of me think which song it is. (i hope it is a Joni song!!!) Synchronicity again, Colin. That lyric is from Coyote which is on what Bob just yesterday called >the finest album ever. No Regrets Coyote We just come from such different sets of circumstance. I'm up all night in the studios And you're up early on your ranch. You'll be brushing out a brood mare's tail While the sun is ascending And I'll just be getting home with my reel-to-reel... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:30:00 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: facelift In a message dated 8/18/00 1:06:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rnsc@direct.ca writes: << > And, BTW, why Joni's mother would disapprove of her love story with Donald? >> Raffaele (London) - almost middle-aged... > > Mothers often don't need to search very hard for a reason to disapprove of > something. It doesn't have to make any sense. >> I thought it was because Donald isn't "white." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:38:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy Though it's so hard to pick a "lyric bite" out of such a great song, from 'Hejira', but a different song -- here's the bit of Joni poetry that always gets me -- part writing but mostly phrasing -- from FSTB: "Blue and silver sparkling drums Cheap guitars, eye shades and guns Aimed at the hot blood of being no one Down and out in Memphis Tennessee" Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:10:20 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Comfort in melancholy Alison wrote: > for some reason, these lines have always enchanted me... > and the song itself is so vivid and crisp: > > "a helicopter lands on the pan am roof > like a dragonfly on a tomb" Almost every time I look down Park Avenue and see that building I think of these lines. They're so perfect. The building does look just like a huge tombstone, a broad grey vertical rectangle that straddles the avenue (the only building in NY that does that). And sizewise, a helicopter would look exactly like a fluttering winged bug next to it. And to take Joni's bug and deadening work metaphor a little futher, the building is over Grand Central Station where thousands of commuters zip around wildly during rush hour. Gotta get to the office on time; gotta get the train to go home. It's like a hive during those times. Plus, to go even further (because I just can't stop now :-), the PanAm building did become a tomb of sorts when there was an accident there years ago and several people were killed. It's not been used as a landing pad since then. That was after Joni had written her song but, who knows, maybe her in-tune-with-the-universe subconscious self could see it coming. The building's been sold and renamed a couple of times but somehow the current name MetLife has never taken hold. It will always be the PanAm building, no matter what the huge letters say. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:38:45 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Bread and Roses, 9/4/78 Not all at once, now! I'm still waiting for a reply about the HOSL singles and b-sides... At 2:37 PM -0500 8/18/00, I wrote: >Hey everyone- > >Does anyone have source info for the Bread and Roses concert from >1978 that was treed? I had always thought it was an audience >recording but listening to it on a new CD player it sounds like a >soundboard. Gracias for any info. > >NP-Joni 9/4/78-The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey > - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:17:18 +0100 From: "Steve" Subject: Nobody's playing Joni anymore ! I'm only in my 3rd week and already enjoying every Digest. It's interesting too when people put their wee addendum, NP (Now Playing). To let us see what they are currently grooving to. Shame on you NPers I've yet to see anyone listening to Joni, surely you've not all burned out on her. NP Joni and SHE'S HISSING!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:02:43 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni Lyric Game Here's a Joni Lyric Game. Some of them are about figuring out whether she's singing about sex or not. All of these topics have been discussed on JMDL. This is the entire list. You decide: Too Hot To Handle or Safe As Mother's Milk? - ---------------- This may be a fun game to play. "Is the following quote a sexual innuendo?" With luck, even the ones that aren't sexual will be funny. Here goes, Sexy or not? "I found a thrill to press my cheek to." Definitely sexual Sexy or not? "The sun streamed in like butterscotch and stuck to all my senses." Not sexual Sexy or not? "Please have this- little bit of instant bliss." Consensus on JMDL was it's about a cigarette. Sexy or not? "The box cars are bangin' in the yard." Sexual Sexy or not? "Pour your simple sorrow to the sound hole and your knee." Not sexual Here's the last one (yea!): Sexy or not? "Hanging on your boom-boom pachyderm." Joni says "no", JMDL says "YES!" - ---- Here's a Joni riddle- Warning- It's a pun. If your father dumped his luxury car in a lake, what would you do? A: "Raise" Dad's Cadillac. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:59:57 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: (no subject) The founders of the band, Richard Harvey and Brian Gulland, were students of early music at the Royal College of Music and both played a variety of ‘unusual’ instruments including the wonderful crumhorn, an instrument that could have IMO provided some interesting musical perspectives in some of Joni’s songs (“Down To You” included). If you are not familiar with Gryphon I can certainly recommend a listen! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:59:53 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Azeem's back! Hi Folks! Love and blessings to you all, gee but it's great to be back home (oops, wrong songwriter). I can't remember how long I've been away, but it seems like ages. I've missed you lot, and have kept in touch with my fellow UK listers and some further afield (Hi Ashara, Catgirl, Bob and the other AOLers!). The UK Jonifest was a delight, and I hope you've all checked out Chris's fabulous photos. One thing that I'm slightly embarrassed about is that so many of them feature me playing guitar, when I can state without any false modesty that I was easily the least accomplished player there! Still, from the write-ups you'll know who the stars are. And the Joni tribute video was fascinating - I agree with whomever it was that said Diana Krall was the standout: I've seen her live once, and while she was good, I was staggered by just how well she got inside the skin of the song. I thought Richard Thompson was great (but then those who know me will know that I was bound to say that!), Shawn Colvin was wonderful - although I'd have preferred her on her own - and Cyndi Lauper was bizarre. As for me, I've followed through my attention to switch to part-time working, and I'm actually leaving my job altogether at the end of September. The counselling training is going very well, and I should start with a second client in September. Anyway, it's great to be back - although I don't like this digest business, and might have to bite the bullet and go for the full monty list and accept that there will be times when I delete 150 emails without reading them. Incidentally, just after I unsubscribed I bought the collectors' edition of BSN, and I love it very much - and it played without scratching! More soon, Much Joni, Azeem in London NP: Helicopter Girl - How To Steal the World [has anyone else heard this? It's brilliant] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:13:43 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Sure, that seems appropriate........ This is a song I dearly wanted to sing to my best friends this summer. It's a very beautiful song about separation and loss. It seems doubly appropriate now. Here it is, for Ashara...... It was created by the second-best, living, songwriter who uses English to communicate. IF YOU SEE HER, SAY HELLO - ----------------------------------------- If you see her, say hello, she might be in Tangier She left here last early spring, is livin' there, I hear Say for me that I'm all right though things get kind of slow She might think that I've forgotten her, don't tell her it isn't so. We had a falling-out, like lovers often will And to think of how she left that night, it still brings me a chill And though our separation, it pierced me to the heart She still lives inside of me, we've never been apart. If you get close to her, kiss her for the kid I always have respected her for doin' what she did Oh, whatever makes her happy, I won't stand in her way Though the bitter taste still lingers on from the night I tried to make her stay. I see a lot of people as I make the rounds And I hear her name here and there as I go from town to town And I've never gotten used to it, I've just learned to turn it off Either I'm too sensitive or else I'm gettin' soft. Sundown, yellow moon, I replay the past I know every scene by heart, they all went by so fast If she's passin' back this way, I'm not that hard to find Tell her she can look me up if she's got the time. Copyright 1974 Ram's Horn Music http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/sayhello.html All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:53:05 +0100 From: catman Subject: which song Thanks to all who replied. Knew I could rely on you lot! If there was a first prize to win for the first correct answer it would go to Reuben as he was first in my box. - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:54:00 +0100 From: catman Subject: which song 2 okay, which song is this from? In ice and greens (I know the answer!) - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:00:19 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: which song 2 In a message dated 8/18/00 6:58:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk writes: << In ice and greens (I know the answer!) >> and old blue jeans and naked in the roses. The Gallery Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:04:15 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Nobody's playing Joni anymore ! Surely you haven't been reading every digest - the second to last email I sent recently, I was listening to the Bread and Roses show from 1978. At 8:17 PM +0100 8/18/00, Steve wrote: >Shame on you NPers I've yet to see anyone listening to >Joni, surely you've not all burned out on her. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:59:24 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: re: the Ghost of Joni's old ideals "Celebration at Big Sur?" Possibly, yes. I remember it broadcast often. Ok, so far suggestions are "Story of Three Loves", "Rebel Without A Cause", "Celebration at Big Sur" and something keeps whispering "Blackboard Jungle" in my ear, although I can't make any connection. Anybody else have some thoughts on this? CC "A celluloid rider comes to town, Cinematic lovers sway." -- JM for Deb: "I like hats, they keep the head warm" -- CC ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 01:09:27 +0100 From: "Steve Mitchell" Subject: Re: which song 2 Gallery! - -- Stevie - ----- Original Message ----- From: "catman" To: "joni" Sent: 18 August 2000 23:54 Subject: which song 2 > okay, which song is this from? > > In ice and greens > > (I know the answer!) > > -- > why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? > http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html > http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:07:03 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: [none] I remember the Elvis quote on "Scarlett." I think the lyric he referred to was, "Dressed in stolen clothes she stands Cast iron and frail With her impossibly gentle hands And her blood-red fingernails." After reading that I immediately began to think that might have inspired his, "She's filing her nails while they're dragging the lake." CC ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:15:02 EDT From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: I guess if we are getting Lyrical... hee hee "they want you--They need you -- They train you to kill--- To be a pin on a map Some vicarious thrill The old HATE the young That's the whole heartless thing The old Pick wars We die in 'em To the beat of --the beat of black wings" Those are some of her most powerful lyrics..(well atleast from her 80's triad of WTRF, DED, and CMIARS)... And from Hejira.. I can really REALLY recognize what Joni says when in Amelia, she sings, "I guess i have never really loved, I guess that is the truth, i have spent my whole live in clouds at icy altitudes".. Bliggity blair of Delaware ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:24:16 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: Re: Stills (was Studio albums) / sharing Joni Kakki, Hell, Les and others have been raving about the guitar work of Stephen Stills..... Some of the finest of Stills' work - to my ol' ear anyway - is on the "First Boy I Loved" cut from the Judy Collins "Who Knows Where The Time Goes" LP. Sends me into other worlds every time I listen. Thinking of Stills - and CSN - I'm reminded of one of my favorite things: give great music to businesses with in-house sound systems. Earlier this year, I was doing lots of physical therapy for my injured back. The clinic had a sound system, and the people were all very nice so I gave them the first CSN CD. Later, when I was really, really injured (Mom died, my dog died......), they would put me in a little private space with deep heat on my back, turn down the lights and put on CSN. It saved me, taking me back to much sweeter times in my life. More recently, I began frequenting a cool new pasta joint in town. I gave the owner a copy of BSN and she plays it in-house all the time. She has had 2 or 3 people ask to see the cover so they can buy a copy for themselves. Don ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:48:12 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Nobody's playing Joni anymore ! Steve wrote: > Shame on you NPers I've yet to see anyone listening to > Joni, surely you've not all burned out on her. Oh no, not burned out at all, but after decades of listening, Joni's usually NPIMH (now playing in my head), so often that it doesn't seem worth mentioning. Merely NP is for the "getting to know" stage. :-) Debra Shea NPIMH: you want me to be truthful, sometimes you turn it on me like a weapon though, and I need your approoooo.... bluueeeueuu.... songs are like tatoos, you know I've been to sea before.... peridots and periwinkle blue medallions... (The thing about NPIMH is I can mix it up. Goes way beyond NP. Sometimes, though, I do put an actual cd on so Joni can help me sort it all out again, especially when the emotions get all jumbled up.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 02:12:57 +0100 From: catman Subject: which song 3 when you answer, say whether you looked up lyrics or knew the song! 'that danced on these beaches' - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 02:13:51 +0100 From: catman Subject: which song 4 'and a river flowin' free' - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:17:15 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Stills Voice For several years, I agree, it seemed as if Stills had lost his voice. But I heard him recently at an acoustic concert & he sounded great I am happy to say! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magicthe album grows more intriguing with repeated listening" All Music Guide "lyrically, it's a work of art overall" Indie-Music.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:55:07 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Treacy" Subject: joni's biography in the 80's???? Michael in Boston wrote : "I just found a few years ago a video of her's from 1980 I think it was. It was strange. It was like an hour video. She performs and they show her backstage, but it is put together like a music video." Hmmm, that's odd....Shadows and Light did come out at that time, but I don't recall any backstage footage at all. Maybe it's a TV special of some sort I don't know about? Kinda doubt it though...tell us more about it! "I remember going to see her on the Boston Common in 1982 and she walked off the stage because she couldn't perform with people "milling around." ...she's done this more than once. I think I know this lady! ;~> "Did Joni write a biography in the 1980. I thought she did and I have been looking everywhere for it for years, think it is out of print I also check the used book stores. Everyone tells me I don't know what I am talking about, I tend to believe them most of the time, but I am sure I read about this when she wrote it." Anything is possible. Joni has talked up quite a storm about writings of all sorts that, alas, have yet to materialize. Somewhere inbetween "Turbulent..." and "Taming..." a supposid 3 book deal was signed with a division of Random House, and the only item to surface from it is the "Complete Poems" anthology which, minus the beautiful Herb Ritts portrait on the cover, I find useless. I do know for certain that in 1970, Joni put together a homemade book called "Morning Glory on the Vine," and circulated a small batch of copies to intimate friends. Wally Breese sent me a color copy of one of it's more intriguing pages for a B-day gift a few years ago. Other than that, there's Leonore Fleisher's rather trashy but nonetheless collectable 1976 book (great pics!!!); It's called "Her life, Her Loves, Her Music" and it's out of print , but you can find copies around. Hey Michael, since your a Bostonian, e-mail me and we'll chat! I just picked up a copy of "Evergreen Vol.2" by The Stone Pony's; one of the most beautiful album covers I've ever seen! -Chris in Boston. NP: "Shades of Scarlet Conquering" Nassau Coll, 1976. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:27:18 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Favorite lyrics A ghost of aviation she was swallowed by the sky or by the sea, like me she had a dream to fly Like Icarus ascending on beautiful foolish arms Amelia, it was just a false alarm Maybe I've never really loved I guess that is the truth I've spent my whole life in clouds at icy altitude and looking down on everything I crashed into his arms Amelia, it was just a false alarm ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 02:26:42 +0100 From: "Steve Mitchell" Subject: Re: which song 3 STAS - knew it! - -- Stevie - ----- Original Message ----- From: "catman" To: "joni" Sent: 19 August 2000 02:12 Subject: which song 3 > when you answer, say whether you looked up lyrics or knew the song! > > 'that danced on these beaches' > > -- > why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? > http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html > http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 02:38:10 +0100 From: "Steve Mitchell" Subject: Re: which song First in your box? Colin, I thought I knew you better ;-) - -- Stevie - ----- Original Message ----- From: "catman" To: "joni" Sent: 18 August 2000 23:53 Subject: which song > Thanks to all who replied. Knew I could rely on you lot! > If there was a first prize to win for the first correct answer it would > go to Reuben as he was first in my box. > > -- > why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? > http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html > http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:56:05 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: "Trouble Child" I love "TC" from C&S.I can really relate to it.not in terms of my behaviour,but in terms of my feelings.There is so much compassion in that song,and songs like "Edith and the Kingpin","shades of scarlett conquering",People's parties","Judgemen t of the moon and the stars" ec...I wish that compassion was more evident in Joni's interviews.I wonder sometimes if I can relate to Joni's songs as much as others can.The majority of Joni's songs are love songs,and I have never had any kind of romantic relationship. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:33:40 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: "Trouble Child" The best version I ever heard of this song was the couple at the Pazfest in New Orleans, Danzig and Whooley. She plays mandolin. They were from Malibu in LA. One of Jonis most incredibly subtle songs. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:39:37 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite lyrics (md) It is my humble opinion that some of Jonis very best poetry is to be found on her early albums. Not necessarily the most memorable lines but the best pure poetry. Tin Angel is one of the most sophisticated melodies. Try to sing this song. Ther guitar part is totally oblique to the melody. And then one day I got into the words and what she means. Tin Angel Varnished weeds in window jars Tarnished beads on tapestries Kept in satin boxes are Reflections of love's memories Letters from across the seas Roses dipped in sealing wax Valentines and maple leaves Tucked into a paperback Guess I'll throw them all away I found someone to love today [This is why I always loved Joni] md ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 23:45:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Elvis and Joni << After reading that I immediately began to think that might have inspired his, "She's filing her nails while they're dragging the lake." >> I'll bet you're right on that Watching The Detectives line, CC...if not conciously, then probably unconciously. Bob NP: XTC, "Gold" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:51:33 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite lyrics kate@katebennett.com posted some lines from "Amelia" in this new thread. "Amelia" is a favorite of mine, too. In my opinion, the words to "Amelia" may be the most stunningly beautiful lyrics Joni has ever written. Although I have been a fan for nearly 30 years, I never bought "Hejira" until this summer, after joining this list and feeling totally out of it about Joni's whole middle period. Now I find it hard to believe I spent so many years convinced I wouldn't like a Joni "jazz" album. But the upside is, I now get to discover "new" Joni songs decades after they were released. "Amelia" just makes me stop and take notice every time I hear it, as if to bear witness that anything a mere mortal can create could all come together so perfectly in so many ways -- like lyrically, musically and emotionally, to name a few. I think "Amelia" may be the most quintessentially "Joni" song ever. After all, Joni's also got her Martian tunings and background voices working it throughout the song (as when she sings, "The drone of flying engines, is a song so wild and free"). And her confessional (I know she hates that term) poetry has never felt more brutally honest than when she says: "Maybe I've never really loved I guess that is the truth I've spent my whole life in clouds at icy altitudes." I don't know any other work of art in any medium that so perfectly expresses these thoughts and feelings we all go through at some point in our lives, when we move on from love that has ended while taking a good, hard look at ourselves, our lives up to that point, and our dreams ("Dreams and false alarms"). And I bet even old W. B. Yeats Himself would stop "Slouching Toward Bethlehem" and stand up and take notice of a couple of lines like these: "Like Icarus ascending on beautiful foolish arms" Thanks, Kate, for reminding me of "Amelia" -- I think I need to go play it again! -- Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 07:53:03 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: which song Steve Mitchell wrote: > First in your box? Colin, I thought I knew you better ;-) > -- > Stevie you are the second person to make a similar comment. I don't get it but I can only assume your mind has thought of something other than my inbox. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 02:47:22 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Re: Did Joni write a biography in the 1980's? In a message dated 08/17/2000 8:03:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Mg41mk34@aol.com writes: << Did Joni write a biography in the 1980. I thought she did and I have been looking everywhere for it for years, think it is out of print I also check the used book stores. >> Hi Michael and welcome to the list! Hello again to all my pals on the list - I haven't posted in a while. Michael, you have entered a world of unprecedented knowledge about popular (and even unpopular) music from some sweet, sharing people. I was struck by your question about a JM book and wonder if it is Joan Baez's autobiography from the 1980s that you may be thinking of - And A Voice To Sing With. The reason I ask is a friend recently confused the two artists and swore he read a Joni autobiography which turned out to be the work of Baez. He simply mixed up his Joans. I was also delighted to read about your appreciation of Linda Ronstadt's music. I recently attended the amazing Walecki benefit concert with some LA Joni tribe members. It was amazing! I hope you read some of the posts. Seeing that huge collection of virtual rock and roll legends all on one stage was thrilling. I was especially excited to see Jackson Browne (still a cutie) and, my sweetheart, Linda Ronstadt. When I was in college at the University of Arizona, I lived in an apartment that was just across a stretch of desert from Linda's parents' house. My kitchen window looked on to their house. I always knew when she was in town because these green drapes would go up around the fence so no one could look in the yard. Several times (I want to say six or seven) while I was in Tucson, Linda did these pricey little concerts (more like recitals - 300 people or so) at the U of A that were by invitation only to raise money for her parents' local charities. My boyfriend at the time worked for Linda's family in a hardware store downtown, so I was able to go to every one of them. For Free. I understand from friends still there that she still does them from time to time. Seeing her again was a trip. There's a lot more of her to see (Yikes! I guess she is really going for the Diva look), but her voice is as clear, powerful, and riveting as ever. You would have a hard time distinguishing that voice from her voice twenty years ago in Tucson. She sang Heart Like A Wheel and I had tears come to my eyes. I could listen to her for hours. As changed as she may be in appearance, she still has that sweet little schoolgirl smile. And that haunting voice. No regrets, Coyote (Rick) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 08:01:22 +0100 From: catman Subject: joni moment last night on the tv there was a biopic about Bruce Lee. He said at one point: 'as child I had all these crazy ideas'. immediately I heard Joni singing Twisted. - -- why are they called apartments when they are all stuck together? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #336 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?